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| The 42-year-old Bills offensive coordinator is “clearly the favorite” to become the next Giants head coach, according to someone familiar with the process. He has been the favorite to many all along, given his relationship with new Giants GM Joe Schoen and the fact that Daboll has other supporters inside the organization, too. ... That doesn’t mean Daboll is a lock to get the job, though. There is still strong support for former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores, who many believe is the top choice of co-owner John Mara. Flores and Schoen don’t have a history together, though they have spoken in the last few weeks, according to sources. So Flores still has his chance to stake his claim to the job. |
If others choose to be concerned by it (based on his known meddling the past two years)? Not sure why that is so upsetting to some, or why it is somehow viewed as people dreaming up scenarios.
This place has just become so damn toxic with people who can't stand to a hear a point of view that is not aligned with their own.
It is not a crazy conspiracy theory to think he'd interfere with the coaching hires or player personnel. It is known fact based on good evidence.
It's on Mara to prove he isn't being an ass; it's not on the fans to prove he's being an ass.
Tell ya right now, I'm blaming Jamele Hill...
Based on press clippings, it appears Schoen is very respected around the NFL. I have no reason to doubt that and I pray it is true.
But if the Giants are going to really change things, Schoen has to be given the ability and be able to bring in his own scouts (both collegiate and pro personnel). He needs to be THE guy who runs the day-to-day football operation.
Let's see how this plays out. But Peppers post was the most disappointing thing I've seen.
Nobody is suggesting we draw conclusions now. Not a single person. Some expressed concern at a report that hints at Mara meddling again.
Maybe the site can do without the silly, insulting hyperbole?
If others choose to be concerned by it (based on his known meddling the past two years)? Not sure why that is so upsetting to some, or why it is somehow viewed as people dreaming up scenarios.
This place has just become so damn toxic with people who can't stand to a hear a point of view that is not aligned with their own.
There SFGF...now you have someone who believes in conspiracy theories!
I feel his instincts are correct on this... the tell is going to be Daniel Jones. I would throw Barkley in there too.
Will Schoen and the next HC have complete authority to decide the future of Jones and Barkley?
Come on guys, this is PI 101.
The issue is if he is making his preference known rather than seeing what decision Schoen comes to on his own. If it is a close call, who doesn't want to go with the option that the boss likes?
I'd prefer there was no indication of who Mara prefers as it ultimately should not matter.
If he really gave Schoen Carte Blanche what difference does it make? And yeah, Schoen needs to "cast a wide net". They should be interviewing every candidate out there.
"I haven't given the fans any reason to think I will get this right"
Many of us agree Jawn. Which is why you should STFU.
As for the "Jawn is an owner and entitled to an opinion" folks here, when said owner has demonstrated a near 100% propensity for error, no he is not entitled to an opinion. You'd hope he'd be self aware enough to reflect "I am not really very good at this" and leave the decisions to others.
Obviously actions matter, but all year folks here were talking about how Abrams was a shoe in,
I feel his instincts are correct on this... the tell is going to be Daniel Jones. I would throw Barkley in there too.
Will Schoen and the next HC have complete authority to decide the future of Jones and Barkley?
The issue is if he is making his preference known rather than seeing what decision Schoen comes to on his own. If it is a close call, who doesn't want to go with the option that the boss likes?
I'd prefer there was no indication of who Mara prefers as it ultimately should not matter.
The mistake here (potentially) is that you are equating Mara's interest to interview Flores as him wanting Flores. Why can't the owner ask about candidates and express having interest in meeting those that seem interesting.
It doesn't have to be some masterplan to taint or influence the process. In fact, this is a fairly normal practice in the corporate world - the CEO has connections, old colleagues, friends of a friend, etc and exploring those options can be valuable.
Go Terps was right all along.
Obviously actions matter, but all year folks here were talking about how Abrams was a shoe in,
Again with the ridiculous hyperbole? It's hard to have a discussion with some people on this topic.
The 'yes man' comment came from someone who has had inside information in the past. It may be right, it may be wrong. But is is not just someone throwing out a random thought. ALso, nobody said the team was fucked. People expresses concern about the owners influence on the decision. It is a concern with the process, not a conclusion on the outcome.
But sure, let's keep setting up the strawmen and knocking 'em down!
There are people that still occupy important front office roles that have been here for the duration of the NYG 10 year run of disaster.
If the new GM is not a yes-man (like I suspect DG was) then we'll see proof in his actions against those that need to be held accountable for their ineptitude.
I'm in full on wait-and-see mode.
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Nobody is suggesting Mara runs down the hall and demands certain people be hired or they are being fired. I'm sure he didn't do that with Judge either when he suggested that Garrett would be a great hire for OC.
The issue is if he is making his preference known rather than seeing what decision Schoen comes to on his own. If it is a close call, who doesn't want to go with the option that the boss likes?
I'd prefer there was no indication of who Mara prefers as it ultimately should not matter.
The mistake here (potentially) is that you are equating Mara's interest to interview Flores as him wanting Flores. Why can't the owner ask about candidates and express having interest in meeting those that seem interesting.
It doesn't have to be some masterplan to taint or influence the process. In fact, this is a fairly normal practice in the corporate world - the CEO has connections, old colleagues, friends of a friend, etc and exploring those options can be valuable.
No you misunderstood. Ralph was reporting that people believed Mara preferred Flores, not that he simply wanted to interview him. That is a very big difference.
If I were the owner of a team you bet your ass I would have input on who we hire as head coach. ultimately I think Shoen will have final say, but whats wrong with an owner saying what about this guy?
Nobody is suggesting that Mara not interview the candidates or have an opinion. Of course he will. The concern is when it is reported in the press that the owner has a preferred candidate before the final decision is made. That is the concern because how does that not influence the decision?
2) Insiders and asshats get their info from somewhere. And the info they get comes through the prism or viewpoint of the person providing it. I know Peppers has given great info in the past. But maybe his source has an axe to grind in this situation because they are threatened by whats going on? I don't know at all but it certainly sounds like a sour grapes situation where literally every NFL source when asked about Schoen says "Homerun hire" and yet Peppers knows hes nothing more than a yes man for Mara.
Flores is actually someone a lot of people want hired too, but if/when he is the narrative has already been created. Its an equally fascinating and bizarre way to follow sports. To each their own.
There are people that still occupy important front office roles that have been here for the duration of the NYG 10 year run of disaster.
If the new GM is not a yes-man (like I suspect DG was) then we'll see proof in his actions against those that need to be held accountable for their ineptitude.
I'm in full on wait-and-see mode.
This is the key point. There has been a structural problem brewing here. The 2011 team was not as good as the 2008 team. I think we blew our chance in 2008 but made up for it in 2011 because Manning had a career year and Cruz and Nicks were amazing. The defense and running game - which were bottom ranked - finally came to life in the playoffs.
But that 2011 team was fraying at the edges and the collapse came quickly. Why? Injuries, bad drafting, bad free agent decisions.
So in many ways, this predates even 2011.
Flores is actually someone a lot of people want hired too, but if/when he is the narrative has already been created. Its an equally fascinating and bizarre way to follow sports. To each their own.
Yes there are two ways to follow sports. You can follow what is happening and form opinions, or you can accept information that supports your view and reject information that challenges it. Two very different ways to enjoy sports, you are correct.
Could also be argued why would you gamble on a guy who has never been a head coach, or succeeded as an OC in the NFL w/o Josh Allen? I think you're misguided in saying Flores is a risk, while Daboll isn't
He doesn't have my trust, nor does anyone in the building. I've got to see that it's not the same Mickey Mouse bullshit we've been getting for a decade.
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Seriously? Not saying he is bad, but why gamble on a coach who had communication issues?
Could also be argued why would you gamble on a guy who has never been a head coach, or succeeded as an OC in the NFL w/o Josh Allen? I think you're misguided in saying Flores is a risk, while Daboll isn't
Every candidate we are interviewing carries some risk. If they were all unquestioned winners they wouldn't be looking for a head coaching job.
They’ve not done any of that.
They hired an outside guy, one I’ve only heard good things about from pretty much everyone. But never mind that.
Our new GM is painted as a “yes man” before he’s even had a press conference and he’s allegedly being told who to hire based on a report of what Mara’s preference is thought to be. And scenarios are set up in peoples’ minds that will confirm these suspicions if he decides to do one thing or another, whether or not those are actually the reasons.
BBI is becoming unreadable anymore.
The people who are here and bitching are doing so because they love the team and they are upset about how mismanaged it has become.
The Giants have become the laughing stock of the NFL. They get blown out by loser teams like the Bears and quit in the 2nd quarter of game (see our new QB sneak offense).
The ones who are here are the ones who care. The ones who have left are the ones who have given up. And that list is growing daily.
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did NOT begin when DG arrived. They pre-dated him.
There are people that still occupy important front office roles that have been here for the duration of the NYG 10 year run of disaster.
If the new GM is not a yes-man (like I suspect DG was) then we'll see proof in his actions against those that need to be held accountable for their ineptitude.
I'm in full on wait-and-see mode.
This is the key point. There has been a structural problem brewing here. The 2011 team was not as good as the 2008 team. I think we blew our chance in 2008 but made up for it in 2011 because Manning had a career year and Cruz and Nicks were amazing. The defense and running game - which were bottom ranked - finally came to life in the playoffs.
But that 2011 team was fraying at the edges and the collapse came quickly. Why? Injuries, bad drafting, bad free agent decisions.
So in many ways, this predates even 2011.
2008 in Cleveland. If it had to be narrowed down to a single date point of inflection, that game is it. That's certainly too simplistic, but I can't forget Shaun Rogers destroying the middle of that offensive line.
Again with the hyperbole! Holy irrationality, Batman!
Can you list out the posters that said they hate every aspect of this organization or that the organization doesn't align with their beliefs?
You must have LOVED medium pepsi day!
They’ve not done any of that.
They hired an outside guy, one I’ve only heard good things about from pretty much everyone. But never mind that.
Our new GM is painted as a “yes man” before he’s even had a press conference and he’s allegedly being told who to hire based on a report of what Mara’s preference is thought to be. And scenarios are set up in peoples’ minds that will confirm these suspicions if he decides to do one thing or another, whether or not those are actually the reasons.
BBI is becoming unreadable anymore.
I'm not saying Peppers is infallible, but the guy is probably the #1 asshat on this site. His stuff on the draft alone has been amazing.
We're reacting to what he wrote. Could be right...could be wrong. We shall see. But would it surprise you if Schoen is a really good "information gatherer" as Peppers says and not a guy to rock the boat? We don't know. He's never been a GM before. Peppers is merely saying what his reputation in the NFL is.
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did NOT begin when DG arrived. They pre-dated him.
There are people that still occupy important front office roles that have been here for the duration of the NYG 10 year run of disaster.
If the new GM is not a yes-man (like I suspect DG was) then we'll see proof in his actions against those that need to be held accountable for their ineptitude.
I'm in full on wait-and-see mode.
This is the key point. There has been a structural problem brewing here. The 2011 team was not as good as the 2008 team. I think we blew our chance in 2008 but made up for it in 2011 because Manning had a career year and Cruz and Nicks were amazing. The defense and running game - which were bottom ranked - finally came to life in the playoffs.
But that 2011 team was fraying at the edges and the collapse came quickly. Why? Injuries, bad drafting, bad free agent decisions.
So in many ways, this predates even 2011.
2008 in Cleveland. If it had to be narrowed down to a single date point of inflection, that game is it. That's certainly too simplistic, but I can't forget Shaun Rogers destroying the middle of that offensive line.
It's amazing they held up long enough to get that SB in February of 2012. The floor fell out from underneath like midway in the 2012 season.
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also depends on what being the favorite means, and why, and if its even accurate. It could have been that way before Schoen was even hired.
Flores is actually someone a lot of people want hired too, but if/when he is the narrative has already been created. Its an equally fascinating and bizarre way to follow sports. To each their own.
Yes there are two ways to follow sports. You can follow what is happening and form opinions, or you can accept information that supports your view and reject information that challenges it. Two very different ways to enjoy sports, you are correct.
Not rejecting it, lol. Getting this defensive is just strange. And I gave my opinion based on the information at hand, which is...not really much unless you want to use it for confirmation bias.
For now we just have to see how things go. People are going to think what they want till the team starts winning. With the draft, FA, cuts and changes to FO staff all coming soon in the next few months it should be clear how much influence JS has regardless of HC selected. No GM walks into what the Giants are right now and continues business as is if he is serious about winning.
Go Terps was right all along.
The issue I have with Terps is that his desire to move on from Jones is so strong, which we need to do, but you cannot force the QB. We need the right guy, not just someone not named Jones, and that person may not be available right away without selling the farm.