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| The 42-year-old Bills offensive coordinator is “clearly the favorite” to become the next Giants head coach, according to someone familiar with the process. He has been the favorite to many all along, given his relationship with new Giants GM Joe Schoen and the fact that Daboll has other supporters inside the organization, too. ... That doesn’t mean Daboll is a lock to get the job, though. There is still strong support for former Miami Dolphins coach Brian Flores, who many believe is the top choice of co-owner John Mara. Flores and Schoen don’t have a history together, though they have spoken in the last few weeks, according to sources. So Flores still has his chance to stake his claim to the job. |
That’s where I’m at. Not going to overreact or speculate until it’s becoming clear Abrams, Koncz & Pettit are all sticking around.
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there are plenty of valid reasons to suggest Flores will be a better head coach option than Daboll.
But everyone wants to blame Mara, so we won't get into those.
Doesn’t matter what Mara and co., SUGGEST, Schoen was given carte blanche on hirings..If Flores becomes our HC, then it’s because Schoen wants him here. Just because the vast majority believe it will be Daboll (which I do), that does not mean there’s an undermining underfoot..It means we got it wrong, imv
The mere fact that Mara and his inner circle of cronies/family would SUGGEST anyone ... is exactly the problem.
What the fuck are you guys gonna do? Now that we hired a young GM, one that which everyone seemed to be on board with, one that comes from an organization that overhauled their entire scouting process which he took part in, one that nearly everyone in the fucking NFL says was a good hire.....you're gonna what...just somehow assume that we fucked this up?
What would have been a better option? Hire Jim Harbaugh to run the entire organization? Hire Pioli? Hire some other retread GM?
All fucking year you guys bitched that you wanted to start fresh - hire a bright young mind to overhaul everything.
What's more is that we had people say things like 'wow I wish we had a coach like Flores who could actually coach and get good play out of a shitty roster." And then the second he became available, everyone said wow this is GREAT.
And then....the very SECOND that it came out that John Mara liked Flores - you guys changed your mind.
'John Mara made the wrong hire.'
Uber, I think it's more than likely true just based on past decisions by Mara et al. I understand your hesitation to accept it, and I've no way to 100% say it's the case, but the decision history and typical thinking of Mara suggest it is likely imv.
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Is that a bad thing? Gettleman's ego was enormous.
Based on press clippings, it appears Schoen is very respected around the NFL. I have no reason to doubt that and I pray it is true.
But if the Giants are going to really change things, Schoen has to be given the ability and be able to bring in his own scouts (both collegiate and pro personnel). He needs to be THE guy who runs the day-to-day football operation.
Let's see how this plays out. But Peppers post was the most disappointing thing I've seen.
I like Peppers. Both the poster and the foodstuff.
What I've heard about the the process of hiring Schoen and John Mara's involvement with football operations are not congruent with his post from today.
I'll leave it at that.
Thrill Parcells has seen the festering of this narrative that Mara is too involved, and it's to the detriment of the team. I would not assume this is true. For example, one piece of evidence that has been regularly accepted is that Mara forced Jason Garrett on Judge -- it's wrong. That was Judge's decision, and it happened after his first choice (a guy named Brian Daboll, coincidently) wasn't permitted by Buffalo to interview.
Ask yourselves how Judge was granted autonomy to poach Graham from Miami (a very unproven DC option), but allegedly not allowed by Mara to pick his own OC.
fwiw.
GiantTuff1 : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
We are already hearing “schoen loves this guy” but “Mara loves that guy”.
Who gives a fuck who Mara likes. His card should have been revoked for having an opinion on football matters, especially the second Schoen was inked and they gave us lip service that Schoen has cart blanche.
The fact we are hearing speculation of Mara’s preferences and potential interview requests for coaches his family probably likes seems already a problem. Incredibly disheartening if they are still meddling. I guess we’ll see, but the Mara’s have conditioned us to be paranoid with how incompetent and selfish they have been the last decade plus…
What Mara should do is simply help collect info and resources to aid whatever Schoen needs and otherwise STFU
I'm actually shocked that it wasn't quicker than that.
As far as I can tell no one is saying that it's certainly what is happening, but if you aren't concerned about the possibility it's because you've had your head buried in the sand.
The situation deserves to be viewed with a skeptical eye.
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There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.
Now we are concerned the GM -- who hasn't made a single draft pick, FA signing, or coaching hire -- is a Mara Yes Man. The paranoia on this site is ridiculous. We'd have better luck discussing JFK assassination than football jesus.
i agree and tbh, eric has stirred up a lot of this. I have noticed him being very negative of late. I get it, but do we give the guy a chance? i mean by all accounts, giants found a good candidate. even from those short youtube videos, he doesnt look like a guy not prepared or without the proper mindset to do the job. My god, some fans are just soooo doom and gloom.
Some of you guys would wrap yourselves in a smallpox blanket if it had an NY on it.
Replace "Schoen" with "whoever the Giants hired this GM cycle." Because that's what everyone would have said, regardless of who we hired.
Poles - it would have been well Mara wants a young guy so he can still kinda oversee everything
Schoen - well he's young and even though he's impressive he'll probably just do whatever Mara tells him to do
Peters - well he's coming from a whole other realm of organization and isn't really familiar with Giants way so Mara will probably Mara-ize him soon enough.
Literally - for weeks - everyone was excited about the three finalists. And then - since everyone here likes to shit their pants at every article or every bit of "insider" info - you guys have already said fuck it.
GiantTuff1 : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
We are already hearing “schoen loves this guy” but “Mara loves that guy”.
Who gives a fuck who Mara likes. His card should have been revoked for having an opinion on football matters, especially the second Schoen was inked and they gave us lip service that Schoen has cart blanche.
The fact we are hearing speculation of Mara’s preferences and potential interview requests for coaches his family probably likes seems already a problem. Incredibly disheartening if they are still meddling. I guess we’ll see, but the Mara’s have conditioned us to be paranoid with how incompetent and selfish they have been the last decade plus…
What Mara should do is simply help collect info and resources to aid whatever Schoen needs and otherwise STFU
It must be noted that Mara did not *say* anything here.
This was a "report" tweeted by Ralph V. The exact quote was something along go the lines of "many believe Brian Flores is John Mara's first choice."
This was not incisive, evidence-based reporting. Which makes some of meltdowns in this thread all the more amusing.
"Many believe".
Hypothetically, one could write that "many believe a small business owner with a penchant for misogynistic remarks had questionable whereabouts 346 days ago". Doesn't make it true, untrue, actionable, or otherwise demanding of commentary.
The Thrill Ride also is left to wonder. If indeed people want to "believe" that Daboll and Flores are the likeliest candidates, why are there no posts celebrating their accomplishments? Or videos detailing their schematic skill? Weighing the pro's and con's of these two desirable candidates who will have multiple opportunities at head coaching vacancies? Their teams played each other 6 times in the last three years, and those outcomes might inform an opinion.
But instead of talking about sports and the joys of the game, somehow this conversation gets steered repeatedly into a conspiracy theorist narrative. Why is that?
(not singling you out, Mr. Tuff1, just using your post as.a jumping off point to redirect the conversation into something more productive)
As far as I can tell no one is saying that it's certainly what is happening, but if you aren't concerned about the possibility it's because you've had your head buried in the sand.
The situation deserves to be viewed with a skeptical eye.
+1000 - BINGO.
Why would the Giants not be extremely interested in having Flores coach the team? Why would Joe Schoen not want to seriously consider him - perhaps even give him the job?
I'll take someone who was on the trajectory of becoming a really nice head coach over an unproven coordinator. I hope Daboll will be awesome. But I want Flores to coach this team.
I’m not wrapped up in “first time GM” - Schoen is well regarded in the league from all accounts.
Again, I need to see significant front office changes though.
I'll boil it down for you: who is hiring the head coach? If it's Schoen on his own, that's great. If it's anything other than that, that is a problem.
This is about process, not who gets hired. If John and Chris are hiring the head coach, then what else are they doing over the GM's head? And if that's the case why would the results change?
It fucking matters.
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I don’t trust ownership either
GiantTuff1 : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
We are already hearing “schoen loves this guy” but “Mara loves that guy”.
Who gives a fuck who Mara likes. His card should have been revoked for having an opinion on football matters, especially the second Schoen was inked and they gave us lip service that Schoen has cart blanche.
The fact we are hearing speculation of Mara’s preferences and potential interview requests for coaches his family probably likes seems already a problem. Incredibly disheartening if they are still meddling. I guess we’ll see, but the Mara’s have conditioned us to be paranoid with how incompetent and selfish they have been the last decade plus…
What Mara should do is simply help collect info and resources to aid whatever Schoen needs and otherwise STFU
It must be noted that Mara did not *say* anything here.
This was a "report" tweeted by Ralph V. The exact quote was something along go the lines of "many believe Brian Flores is John Mara's first choice."
This was not incisive, evidence-based reporting. Which makes some of meltdowns in this thread all the more amusing.
"Many believe".
Hypothetically, one could write that "many believe a small business owner with a penchant for misogynistic remarks had questionable whereabouts 346 days ago". Doesn't make it true, untrue, actionable, or otherwise demanding of commentary.
The Thrill Ride also is left to wonder. If indeed people want to "believe" that Daboll and Flores are the likeliest candidates, why are there no posts celebrating their accomplishments? Or videos detailing their schematic skill? Weighing the pro's and con's of these two desirable candidates who will have multiple opportunities at head coaching vacancies? Their teams played each other 6 times in the last three years, and those outcomes might inform an opinion.
But instead of talking about sports and the joys of the game, somehow this conversation gets steered repeatedly into a conspiracy theorist narrative. Why is that?
(not singling you out, Mr. Tuff1, just using your post as.a jumping off point to redirect the conversation into something more productive)
What a superb post, albeit not surprising from you..
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I don’t trust ownership either
GiantTuff1 : 1/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
We are already hearing “schoen loves this guy” but “Mara loves that guy”.
Who gives a fuck who Mara likes. His card should have been revoked for having an opinion on football matters, especially the second Schoen was inked and they gave us lip service that Schoen has cart blanche.
The fact we are hearing speculation of Mara’s preferences and potential interview requests for coaches his family probably likes seems already a problem. Incredibly disheartening if they are still meddling. I guess we’ll see, but the Mara’s have conditioned us to be paranoid with how incompetent and selfish they have been the last decade plus…
What Mara should do is simply help collect info and resources to aid whatever Schoen needs and otherwise STFU
It must be noted that Mara did not *say* anything here.
This was a "report" tweeted by Ralph V. The exact quote was something along go the lines of "many believe Brian Flores is John Mara's first choice."
This was not incisive, evidence-based reporting. Which makes some of meltdowns in this thread all the more amusing.
"Many believe".
Hypothetically, one could write that "many believe a small business owner with a penchant for misogynistic remarks had questionable whereabouts 346 days ago". Doesn't make it true, untrue, actionable, or otherwise demanding of commentary.
The Thrill Ride also is left to wonder. If indeed people want to "believe" that Daboll and Flores are the likeliest candidates, why are there no posts celebrating their accomplishments? Or videos detailing their schematic skill? Weighing the pro's and con's of these two desirable candidates who will have multiple opportunities at head coaching vacancies? Their teams played each other 6 times in the last three years, and those outcomes might inform an opinion.
But instead of talking about sports and the joys of the game, somehow this conversation gets steered repeatedly into a conspiracy theorist narrative. Why is that?
(not singling you out, Mr. Tuff1, just using your post as.a jumping off point to redirect the conversation into something more productive)
You are doing great work in this thread.
I applaud you.
The media sucks, plain and simple. A million examples of it every day, in all aspects of life.
Like Daboll being reported as the clear favorite somehow got boring of all of sudden...
I will presume that Peppers has given information previous to Shoen or Shoen's agents coming to NY. And if Peppers has been more accurate than others, that would indicate his sources are likely in the organization, rather than players or player agents.
Given all that, I can see where current people in the organization aren't happy with an "outsider" coming in. Schoen is a potential threat to almost anyone in the FO who isn't an owner. And that's true for any business that hires outside because of past performance...the guys inside start sweating.
So is if far fetched to think that Peppers sources (who likely have been growing mold in the FO for years) may try to discredit Schoen as a Mara "yes" man? It would take the sting out of them getting released by the organization, since they can tell other NFL teams Schoen was just doing Mara's dirty work to deflect blame. It's better than admitting they stunk at their jobs, and Schoen was cleaning out the trash.
By the way, Schoen had other NFL teams looking to get him as GM (as did Peters and Poles). While I don't think that any of them are as abrasive as George Young was, I doubt that they are pushovers. I think it's more likely Peppers sources are pushing an agenda.
They just fired the first head coach to bring the Dolphins their first back to back winning seasons in 20 years.
They fired that coach because...they're dumb? You're not the least bit willing to consider there are other reasons?
Yes sir, I think you get.
But instead of talking about sports and the joys of the game, somehow this conversation gets steered repeatedly into a conspiracy theorist narrative. Why is that?
(not singling you out, Mr. Tuff1, just using your post as.a jumping off point to redirect the conversation into something more productive)
There has been plenty of conversations discussing Daboll's offensive approach. Just because you missed them doesn't mean they don't exist. And there has been plenty of conversations about the work Flores did in Miami with a limited QB.
And here is what Buffalo vs Miami has revealed the last four years - Buffalo has Josh Allen and Miami doesn't. Buffalo has owned Miami with Allen - 7-1 record, 21/5 TD/INT, 63% completion %, 7.8 YPA, 4 rushing TDs. He's a Hall of Fame QB who is becoming impossible to defend.
This isn't a conspiracy. It's questioning Mara's role in the hiring process of a HC; and if he's already contradicted his words when he said the GM was in charge in hiring the HC.
Sometimes getting out of the Kool Aid line is a very healthy thing...
Yeah, this is where I’m at. Petit is the key exec for me. Although I would fire him, keeping Abrams could be defended, given his admin focus. Koncz and Schoen know each other well. Don’t know where that will go.
I do think people are overreacting to Ralph’s tweet. We’re all worried. I think that franchise is in absolute crisis. But a tweet like that doesn’t move the needle.
Giants have sucked, Mara in the end is responsible. But he made sweeping changes and we re still here?
Maybe you re right and Giants will never win again with him as owner. Personally, I m not interested in that discussion anymore. What s the point, nothing discussed here will change what the truth is.
I d rather spend time being hopeful about Schoen, the new Coach, the draft, etc.
Why are we arguing about whether Mara has changed or not, we have no way of knowing?
I can’t believe 5 days after hiring outside the he organization we have the leading thread of the day being about Mara s interference again
Seems to be an exercise in futility.
The Giants org outside of Schoen had favorable impressions on many possible coaches.
Daboll came in early and had a great interview and suddenly due to the loss on Sunday is available now, BEFORE the Rooney Rule requirements have been met. The Giants begin interviewing possible coordinators, but haven't completed the interview process for HC.
The Giants must proceed with the remaining interviews regardless and decide to "leak" that they are seriously interested in the remaining candidates. It should be obvious why they would want that to be published.
The way it ends up being leaked is that there is a comment made that there is a strong preference for some of the other candidates. BBI and other segments of the fanbase melt down that we aren't just leaving the hire up to Schoen, beginning the speculation that ownership is meddling in the process.
That seems to me to be the most likely course of events over the past week.
The Giants org outside of Schoen had favorable impressions on many possible coaches.
Daboll came in early and had a great interview and suddenly due to the loss on Sunday is available now, BEFORE the Rooney Rule requirements have been met. The Giants begin interviewing possible coordinators, but haven't completed the interview process for HC.
The Giants must proceed with the remaining interviews regardless and decide to "leak" that they are seriously interested in the remaining candidates. It should be obvious why they would want that to be published.
The way it ends up being leaked is that there is a comment made that there is a strong preference for some of the other candidates. BBI and other segments of the fanbase melt down that we aren't just leaving the hire up to Schoen, beginning the speculation that ownership is meddling in the process.
That seems to me to be the most likely course of events over the past week.
Well said
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there are plenty of valid reasons to suggest Flores will be a better head coach option than Daboll.
But everyone wants to blame Mara, so we won't get into those.
That's not the issue. Gun to my head, I'd probably go with Flores.
The issue is the GM should make the pick. If they override him, they should have hired another GM.
Giants have sucked, Mara in the end is responsible. But he made sweeping changes and we re still here?
Maybe you re right and Giants will never win again with him as owner. Personally, I m not interested in that discussion anymore. What s the point, nothing discussed here will change what the truth is.
I d rather spend time being hopeful about Schoen, the new Coach, the draft, etc.
Why are we arguing about whether Mara has changed or not, we have no way of knowing?
I can’t believe 5 days after hiring outside the he organization we have the leading thread of the day being about Mara s interference again
Seems to be an exercise in futility.
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Or videos detailing their schematic skill? Weighing the pro's and con's of these two desirable candidates who will have multiple opportunities at head coaching vacancies? Their teams played each other 6 times in the last three years, and those outcomes might inform an opinion.
But instead of talking about sports and the joys of the game, somehow this conversation gets steered repeatedly into a conspiracy theorist narrative. Why is that?
(not singling you out, Mr. Tuff1, just using your post as.a jumping off point to redirect the conversation into something more productive)
There has been plenty of conversations discussing Daboll's offensive approach. Just because you missed them doesn't mean they don't exist. And there has been plenty of conversations about the work Flores did in Miami with a limited QB.
And here is what Buffalo vs Miami has revealed the last four years - Buffalo has Josh Allen and Miami doesn't. Buffalo has owned Miami with Allen - 7-1 record, 21/5 TD/INT, 63% completion %, 7.8 YPA, 4 rushing TDs. He's a Hall of Fame QB who is becoming impossible to defend.
This isn't a conspiracy. It's questioning Mara's role in the hiring process of a HC; and if he's already contradicted his words when he said the GM was in charge in hiring the HC.
Sometimes getting out of the Kool Aid line is a very healthy thing...
Ahhh, I must have missed those detailed conversations. Unfortunately, the Thrill Ride, an intellectual of international repute, cannot patrol BBI for 23 hours a day and post on every thread. Just this afternoon, the line for Kool Aid was unusually slow. Some say it's a supply chain issue, but others speculate the pigheaded owner of the Kool Aid company is micro-managing the water::sugar ratios and ruining the beloved family business.
bw, you are an impressive football savant flourishing amidst a sea of degeneracy. To grind the tape on all eight of those MIA-BUF games in the brief 31 minutes between our posts. Peak efficiency -- is this how you elegantly skate through life's uncertainties?
Those are some nice composite stats from Josh A., all the more impressive when you consider he was evidently playing 1 vs. 11.
Do me this kindness. When you take a break from taking a break and find a spare moment, perhaps summarize the attitudes of the Daboll's philosophy on offense. I'd like to know what insights those elite, high-level conversations produced.
Do you think Daboll's blending of zone and gap scheme concepts might be too ambitious in year 1 of a rebuild? Do we have the existing personnel to run power, counter, etc.? What about the pass game? Is the preponderance of motion, jet motion, orbit motion, etc. coupled with a high rate of play action stressing defenses in ways that create opportunities for the QB? How might Daboll shape an offense with a differently skilled QB?
In the games you scouted, how did Flores attempt to stymie this varied attack? Did he lean on his predilection for cover-0 and employ primarily five-man fronts? Did the Bills pre-snap tactics create confusion for the force defenders and alley defenders? Did they try pattern match zone concepts, knowing an aggressive man-heavy approach would leave them susceptible to scrambles by an athletic QB? What adjustments did Flores make, game over game, in the face of the losing streak?
Thanks for the offering to help. Looking forward to your response. I think both these coaches could do well here!
He really is..It’s nice to see common sense prevail..Kudos
Giants have sucked, Mara in the end is responsible. But he made sweeping changes and we re still here?
Maybe you re right and Giants will never win again with him as owner. Personally, I m not interested in that discussion anymore. What s the point, nothing discussed here will change what the truth is.
Best post of this thread. End of discussion :)
I d rather spend time being hopeful about Schoen, the new Coach, the draft, etc.
Why are we arguing about whether Mara has changed or not, we have no way of knowing?
I can’t believe 5 days after hiring outside the he organization we have the leading thread of the day being about Mara s interference again
Seems to be an exercise in futility.
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Or videos detailing their schematic skill? Weighing the pro's and con's of these two desirable candidates who will have multiple opportunities at head coaching vacancies? Their teams played each other 6 times in the last three years, and those outcomes might inform an opinion.
But instead of talking about sports and the joys of the game, somehow this conversation gets steered repeatedly into a conspiracy theorist narrative. Why is that?
(not singling you out, Mr. Tuff1, just using your post as.a jumping off point to redirect the conversation into something more productive)
There has been plenty of conversations discussing Daboll's offensive approach. Just because you missed them doesn't mean they don't exist. And there has been plenty of conversations about the work Flores did in Miami with a limited QB.
And here is what Buffalo vs Miami has revealed the last four years - Buffalo has Josh Allen and Miami doesn't. Buffalo has owned Miami with Allen - 7-1 record, 21/5 TD/INT, 63% completion %, 7.8 YPA, 4 rushing TDs. He's a Hall of Fame QB who is becoming impossible to defend.
This isn't a conspiracy. It's questioning Mara's role in the hiring process of a HC; and if he's already contradicted his words when he said the GM was in charge in hiring the HC.
Sometimes getting out of the Kool Aid line is a very healthy thing...
Ahhh, I must have missed those detailed conversations. Unfortunately, the Thrill Ride, an intellectual of international repute, cannot patrol BBI for 23 hours a day and post on every thread. Just this afternoon, the line for Kool Aid was unusually slow. Some say it's a supply chain issue, but others speculate the pigheaded owner of the Kool Aid company is micro-managing the water::sugar ratios and ruining the beloved family business.
bw, you are an impressive football savant flourishing amidst a sea of degeneracy. To grind the tape on all eight of those MIA-BUF games in the brief 31 minutes between our posts. Peak efficiency -- is this how you elegantly skate through life's uncertainties?
Those are some nice composite stats from Josh A., all the more impressive when you consider he was evidently playing 1 vs. 11.
Do me this kindness. When you take a break from taking a break and find a spare moment, perhaps summarize the attitudes of the Daboll's philosophy on offense. I'd like to know what insights those elite, high-level conversations produced.
Do you think Daboll's blending of zone and gap scheme concepts might be too ambitious in year 1 of a rebuild? Do we have the existing personnel to run power, counter, etc.? What about the pass game? Is the preponderance of motion, jet motion, orbit motion, etc. coupled with a high rate of play action stressing defenses in ways that create opportunities for the QB? How might Daboll shape an offense with a differently skilled QB?
In the games you scouted, how did Flores attempt to stymie this varied attack? Did he lean on his predilection for cover-0 and employ primarily five-man fronts? Did the Bills pre-snap tactics create confusion for the force defenders and alley defenders? Did they try pattern match zone concepts, knowing an aggressive man-heavy approach would leave them susceptible to scrambles by an athletic QB? What adjustments did Flores make, game over game, in the face of the losing streak?
Thanks for the offering to help. Looking forward to your response. I think both these coaches could do well here!
This is one hell of a buzzword salad.
It's not like hiring Urban Meyer.
I know right? Fantastique!
:-)
Why would the Giants not be extremely interested in having Flores coach the team? Why would Joe Schoen not want to seriously consider him - perhaps even give him the job?
I'll take someone who was on the trajectory of becoming a really nice head coach over an unproven coordinator. I hope Daboll will be awesome. But I want Flores to coach this team.
The Dolphins fired Flores because they're stupid. Got it.
The Giants have the worst record in the league over the past five years, but they're smart enough to see that the Dolphins were foolish to fire Flores. Got it.
Do you realize how insane your posts get sometimes?
The modern game is largely driven by the QB's performance. Thus, that's why the synopsis of Allen's performance was provided. Sometimes less is more, but just as powerful. Perhaps you need to take another look at those aggregate numbers and let them sink in this time. I would think a man of such "intellectual...international repute" would be able to make the connection.
It's premature to answer your questions about Daboll's offensive approach with NYG - assuming he gets the nod - because we don't know who the QB is going to be. Nothing is getting solved/incorporated until that is answered. So, guessing is an exercise in futility. And, of course, building out a new roster in general.
If Jones is the QB, my guess/hope is Daboll will look to speed up Jones's decision making by getting him on the move more to make one read throws. And find a RB who runs with a more one cut, north-south style. But until we know the constituent parts, it's really not productive.
I am encouraged, however, by the idea that Daboll doesn't run "his system" and force players to fit into it. He's doesn't force square pegs into round holes. His approach seems malleable; and he's very open minded to finding systems that fit the talent. Which is exactly what he did in Buffalo with Allen. That's encouraging.
Frankly, I don't know anything about Flores's defensive game-planning from game-to-game v Buffalo. My guess is you don't either. But it doesn't speak well of Flores approach because Buffalo has basically scored at will, averaging close to 35PPG. I'm certainly all ears if you actually do have a handle on what you write. Alas, I am dubious. But fire away to prove me wrong.
Thanks for the offering to help. Looking forward to your response. I think both these coaches could do well here!
Bravo….Bravo. This is the best post I have seen on here in a very long time. Well done Thrill.
You guys have created the narrative that Schoen might not be able to operate on his own. And if our coaching hire fits your narrative, you’ll still blame Mara every single day until we start playing games.
And if we suck with Flores, you’ll blame Mara.
If we stuck with Daboll, you’ll say “well at least we have a plan. I’m happy.”
All because of stupid theories created by fans who hate John Mara.
Nah - we get it. We just realize that Mara is the owner of the team and that isn’t changing. He was the owner of the team for our last two Super Bowls. So unless he goes brain dead overnight he is still gonna be around and hopefully he just hired the right guy.
I’m not gonna sit here just to bitch and moan about Schoen and the coach and go against every single person that works in the NFL who basically said we made a strong hire. If you guys on BBI want to create narratives based on your own Mara obsession then be my guest. But people throughout the NFL applauded the move.
Whoever the coach ends up being is just another piece to the rebuild and hopefully we make the right hire. Plenty of people here want Flores, and that includes people who have been here forever through the good and the bad.