Fine with that. I think he'll probably end up being a good coach...maybe? I think I like Flores and Quinn better. I'll take their experience over a new head coach right now.
Miami just fired a head coach after two winning seasons. If the new Giants coach has winning records the next two seasons he'll be the toast of the town.
relationship with Schoen. I would imagine that's very important to HC candidates. Especially since Grier seems to have a lifetime contract with the Dolphins and just won a power struggle battle with Flores. Grier picked Tua, that's his guy. Schoen can cut ties with Jones fairly easily, likely not so with Tua. I also doubt Daboll wants to coach in the same division as Josh Allen for the foreseeable future.
Not that the Giants roster is anything to write home about but I don't think Miami's is very strong either. I think Flores just got the most out of them.
except QB. Tua might be better than Jones, but that's not saying much. Miami has just as much of a QB issue as we do.
I will say this as well - Miami has a much better roster than ours, too.
Really? Because as flawed as Daniel Jones is, I would be willing to bet that we would have won that game against them if Jones played.
We played Kansas City close also for most of the game. That doesn't mean they are only slightly better than us. One game does not give you definitive read on a roster.
but not NFL QB Tua. I also think the Schoen factor is a huge consideration and I doubt if he is brought to the NY Giants it is to fix Jones. Its to help identify and coach the next Giants QB which to me is a very attractive situation with the assets they have and that JS is probably going to be house cleaning this year.
he might prefer NY at moment because of relationship with Schoen. He's also a NY guy truthfully, born and raised, then bit of coaching nomad. But it's not like he's a beach or coastal guy.
Ross is a bit off-kilter and who knows about GM spot with Grier.
Ross seems to prefer a dual reporting structure to him right now.
and was let go in 2012 when Miami's current owner Steve Ross hired Joe Philbin. Maybe he maintained good relationship with Ross, but he also overlapped with Joe Schoen in Miami and Schoen may have been reason that Daboll was brought in to be OC in Buffalo.
Neither Tua nor Jones is a slam dunk franchise QB, but the Giants appear closer to admitting they need a new QB than the Dolphins.
RE: Daboll was the OC in Miami under Sparano in 2011
and was let go in 2012 when Miami's current owner Steve Ross hired Joe Philbin. Maybe he maintained good relationship with Ross, but he also overlapped with Joe Schoen in Miami and Schoen may have been reason that Daboll was brought in to be OC in Buffalo.
Neither Tua nor Jones is a slam dunk franchise QB, but the Giants appear closer to admitting they need a new QB than the Dolphins.
Nice reply. And that last point you make is a good one.
would override a lot of that stuff. Miami has been an average at best franchise for a long time now too. The NYG situation isn’t great but I don’t see what’s great about Miami either. They have what, weather and taxes? If they’re going there for those reasons, that’s not a coach anybody should want.
he might prefer NY at moment because of relationship with Schoen. He's also a NY guy truthfully, born and raised, then bit of coaching nomad. But it's not like he's a beach or coastal guy.
Ross is a bit off-kilter and who knows about GM spot with Grier.
Ross seems to prefer a dual reporting structure to him right now.
I guess you aren't factoring in hurricanes. And the resulting home insurance costs. Since 2004, 21 named storms (trop storms and hurricanes) have had an impact in Miami-Dade. The increased home insurance costs will offset a lot of the tax benefits. The average cost of home insurance in Miami-Dade for a $150,000 home is nearly $6,000. A $150,000 home in Miami-Dade is probably about 1200 square feet not far from I-95. Do you think the head coach of the Dolphins is going to be living in a $150,000 home? The median listing price is $465,000 in Miami Dade. You can be sure the Dolphins coach will likely be in million dollar house. Figure at least $20,000 a year in insurance, and that's not counting flood insurance. Of course, he can always pay cash for the house and escape paying for home insurance.
he might prefer NY at moment because of relationship with Schoen. He's also a NY guy truthfully, born and raised, then bit of coaching nomad. But it's not like he's a beach or coastal guy.
Ross is a bit off-kilter and who knows about GM spot with Grier.
Ross seems to prefer a dual reporting structure to him right now.
Western NY and NYC are like two different states.
70 miles north of NYC (and beyond) and NYC are like two different states.
a better QB than Jones. Neither one is good, but at least Jones had good numbers with a decent offense.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
a better QB than Jones. Neither one is good, but at least Jones had good numbers with a decent offense.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
a better QB than Jones. Neither one is good, but at least Jones had good numbers with a decent offense.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
Kenny Golladay is better than Waddle.
RE: Daboll was the OC in Miami under Sparano in 2011
and was let go in 2012 when Miami's current owner Steve Ross hired Joe Philbin. Maybe he maintained good relationship with Ross, but he also overlapped with Joe Schoen in Miami and Schoen may have been reason that Daboll was brought in to be OC in Buffalo.
Neither Tua nor Jones is a slam dunk franchise QB, but the Giants appear closer to admitting they need a new QB than the Dolphins.
Albert Breer mentioned Schoen was the main reason Daboll was brought into Buffalo.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
No. He and most of the Jonesians are so Giants-centric they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the league.
They think Waddle had some great year, where all he did this season was take three steps (if that) and caught that 100 times.
a better QB than Jones. Neither one is good, but at least Jones had good numbers with a decent offense.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
Kenny Golladay is better than Waddle.
That's the funniest thing you have ever posted. And I mean that as a compliment.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
No. He and most of the Jonesians are so Giants-centric they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the league.
They think Waddle had some great year, where all he did this season was take three steps (if that) and caught that 100 times.
Which was more than the Giants receivers could do.
The Dolphins allowed two more sacks than the Giants in 20 more attempts.
I have never said Jones is a star. I have consistently said it is impossible to know what he is given the team that has been around him the last two years.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
No. He and most of the Jonesians are so Giants-centric they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the league.
They think Waddle had some great year, where all he did this season was take three steps (if that) and caught that 100 times.
Which was more than the Giants receivers could do.
The Dolphins allowed two more sacks than the Giants in 20 more attempts.
I have never said Jones is a star. I have consistently said it is impossible to know what he is given the team that has been around him the last two years.
You want to quote me Jones' rookie season as a reason why he is good - and that season wasn't very good. I can quote to you KG's 2018 and 2019 which are substantially better than Waddle's 2021. Waddle did nothing special this season. They just fed him the ball. Golladay's 2018/19 is better all day long than Waddle's 2021. Golladay's problems here are injuries and Daniel Jones, who doesn't know how to feed him the ball.
GMFB is full of Shit, They are missing the fact that the GM of Miami
Go where your boss has your back. Also, Mara will be very reluctant to fire another coach after 2 years (which he is right to feel given the shambles the personnel is).
I will say this as well - Miami has a much better roster than ours, too.
Their own 1st goes to Philly.
I will say this as well - Miami has a much better roster than ours, too.
But with two firsts in 2023 they have the ammo, maybe, to make a change at QB.
I will say this as well - Miami has a much better roster than ours, too.
Really? Because as flawed as Daniel Jones is, I would be willing to bet that we would have won that game against them if Jones played.
Not that the Giants roster is anything to write home about but I don't think Miami's is very strong either. I think Flores just got the most out of them.
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except QB. Tua might be better than Jones, but that's not saying much. Miami has just as much of a QB issue as we do.
I will say this as well - Miami has a much better roster than ours, too.
Really? Because as flawed as Daniel Jones is, I would be willing to bet that we would have won that game against them if Jones played.
We played Kansas City close also for most of the game. That doesn't mean they are only slightly better than us. One game does not give you definitive read on a roster.
Ross is a bit off-kilter and who knows about GM spot with Grier.
Ross seems to prefer a dual reporting structure to him right now.
Neither Tua nor Jones is a slam dunk franchise QB, but the Giants appear closer to admitting they need a new QB than the Dolphins.
Neither Tua nor Jones is a slam dunk franchise QB, but the Giants appear closer to admitting they need a new QB than the Dolphins.
Nice reply. And that last point you make is a good one.
Ross is a bit off-kilter and who knows about GM spot with Grier.
Ross seems to prefer a dual reporting structure to him right now.
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he might prefer NY at moment because of relationship with Schoen. He's also a NY guy truthfully, born and raised, then bit of coaching nomad. But it's not like he's a beach or coastal guy.
Ross is a bit off-kilter and who knows about GM spot with Grier.
Ross seems to prefer a dual reporting structure to him right now.
Western NY and NYC are like two different states.
70 miles north of NYC (and beyond) and NYC are like two different states.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Tua had 16 touchdowns to Jones 10 in basically the same amount of games.
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a better QB than Jones. Neither one is good, but at least Jones had good numbers with a decent offense.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
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a better QB than Jones. Neither one is good, but at least Jones had good numbers with a decent offense.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
Kenny Golladay is better than Waddle.
Neither Tua nor Jones is a slam dunk franchise QB, but the Giants appear closer to admitting they need a new QB than the Dolphins.
Albert Breer mentioned Schoen was the main reason Daboll was brought into Buffalo.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
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In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
No. He and most of the Jonesians are so Giants-centric they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the league.
They think Waddle had some great year, where all he did this season was take three steps (if that) and caught that 100 times.
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a better QB than Jones. Neither one is good, but at least Jones had good numbers with a decent offense.
In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
Kenny Golladay is better than Waddle.
That's the funniest thing you have ever posted. And I mean that as a compliment.
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In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
No. He and most of the Jonesians are so Giants-centric they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the league.
They think Waddle had some great year, where all he did this season was take three steps (if that) and caught that 100 times.
Which was more than the Giants receivers could do.
The Dolphins allowed two more sacks than the Giants in 20 more attempts.
I have never said Jones is a star. I have consistently said it is impossible to know what he is given the team that has been around him the last two years.
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In two years, Tua has completed 66% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 27/15 TD/INTs, 6 rushing TDs, and a 47 QBR.
In three years, Jones has completed 63% of his passes, 6.6 YPA, 45/29 TD/INTs, 5 rushing TDs, and a 49 QBR.
Aside from having more passing TDs (due to the third year) and a slightly higher QBR, I don't see Jones's "good numbers" compared to Tua. Both of these QBs are ordinary at best.
Let's let Jones have Waddle (rookie record for catches), Devante Parker, and Gesicki, and have Tua throwing to Golladay, Toney and Engram (when they are on the field) and see how the numbers look, even without swapping O lines.
Neither of Tua's years came close to Jones' rookie season (which, again, was the second best by a rookie QB at the time, third best now).
You do realize Miami has the worst OL in the NFL - right?
No. He and most of the Jonesians are so Giants-centric they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the league.
They think Waddle had some great year, where all he did this season was take three steps (if that) and caught that 100 times.
Which was more than the Giants receivers could do.
The Dolphins allowed two more sacks than the Giants in 20 more attempts.
I have never said Jones is a star. I have consistently said it is impossible to know what he is given the team that has been around him the last two years.
You want to quote me Jones' rookie season as a reason why he is good - and that season wasn't very good. I can quote to you KG's 2018 and 2019 which are substantially better than Waddle's 2021. Waddle did nothing special this season. They just fed him the ball. Golladay's 2018/19 is better all day long than Waddle's 2021. Golladay's problems here are injuries and Daniel Jones, who doesn't know how to feed him the ball.
Giants are a way better situation than Miami for that reason.
+1000
Go where your boss has your back. Also, Mara will be very reluctant to fire another coach after 2 years (which he is right to feel given the shambles the personnel is).