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Daniel Jones vs Mitch Trubisky (two big ifs though)

5BowlsSoon : 1/25/2022 2:41 pm
If Daboll gets hired as our HC and if Daboll can talk MT into coming to NY, then I think we may have a very good QB competition for the top job. Me personally, I think Mitch would win this showdown, but that is just speculation. I know there are two big IFS to get by for this to happen. So this is just for fun to ponder.


Mitch Trubisky stats (4 years):

Record…………… 29-21
% completed…….64.1%
Yards per game average……….187 (10,652 total)

Passing TDs….64
Int……….…….38
Fumbles…….27

Rushing yards………1,081
Rushing TDs………..9
Rate…………………..87


Daniel Jones stats:

Record…………..12-25
% completed……62.8%
Yards per game average……..221 (8398 total)

Passing TDs………45
Int………………………29
Fumbles………….36

Rushing yards……….1000
Rushing TDs…………5
Rate……………..84.3

Of course, there is more to a player than just numbers. And sometimes numbers aren’t always truthful.
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I can't believe we live in a world where Mitch Trubisky  
Ben in Tampa : 1/25/2022 2:44 pm : link
is the best option at QB but here we are
We can't strive for better  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/25/2022 2:45 pm : link
at the qb position?
RE: I can't believe we live in a world where Mitch Trubisky  
Festina Lente : 1/25/2022 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15574355 Ben in Tampa said:
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is the best option at QB but here we are


That's because he's NOTand i would argue that anyone who's watched him enough would see that. I, for one, can't believe the frequent references or calls for him in recent threads. Ask any Bears fan why that would be a bad idea
Trubisky to Tampa for a 1st round pick?  
GMen72 : 1/25/2022 2:48 pm : link
Lol
RE: I can't believe we live in a world where Mitch Trubisky  
81_Great_Dane : 1/25/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15574355 Ben in Tampa said:
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is the best option at QB but here we are
We don't really know that to be the case. Lotta leaps of logic needed to get to this point.

There's probably a young QB somewhere the Giants can get and develop. It's unlikely there's a future All-Pro or HOFer lurking as a backup somewhere, the way Brett Favre was, but there might be another Jimmy Garoppolo. Or, the original Jimmy Garoppolo, if Rodgers signs there. Jimmy G ain't great but he's better than the guys who were backing up DJ, and he might even beat out Jones for the starting job.
RE: I can't believe we live in a world where Mitch Trubisky  
The_Boss : 1/25/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15574355 Ben in Tampa said:
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is the best option at QB but here we are


Mitch in a similar time period has been the better player. The fact that he represents an upgrade is such an indictment on DG. I don't see anyway Jones is still here beyond 2022, much to the dismay of guys like Dottino.
People who want Trubiski want to lose  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/25/2022 2:56 pm : link
which Im ok with.
I have zero problems with Trubisky as QB2  
GiantSteps : 1/25/2022 3:04 pm : link
How is he not an upgrade over what we've had up until now?
I have been saying this since before  
Chris684 : 1/25/2022 3:10 pm : link
Judge got fired and Daboll became a top option.

Trubisky is a good fit on a roster with Jones for 1 year. Let them battle it out. Either one is at least a competitive option and you never know about a light bulb perhaps turning on late. One also makes a good backup option to the other because of their shared mobility.

Tribusky  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2022 3:13 pm : link
Would beat out Jones for the job if it was an equal competition
RE: Tribusky  
The_Boss : 1/25/2022 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15574421 ajr2456 said:
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Would beat out Jones for the job if it was an equal competition


Agree
Jones showed a lot of promise his rookie year.  
TC : 1/25/2022 3:15 pm : link
After which the "buts" predominated.

So many problems surrounding his tenure. And will he even play?

But IF he regains some of what he had under Shurmur and is surrounded by a generally competent offensive group, and asked to do what he can do well, I'm not ready to write him off.

Can be a lot of reasons a QB does well in his rookie season, and then his play falls off. And God knows, Jones has every legitimate excuse in the book. If so, there may still be something there, but if it's just a matter of DC's learning what he can and can't do, and taking away the former, it's unlikely he's going to be able to produce at a high level anywhere. But I'm not ready to throw him into the Trubisky bag, YET!
I'd rather have  
Eliyah : 1/25/2022 3:16 pm : link
Tyrod Taylor or Minschew or Davis Mills or Chase Daniels than Trubisky
I'd rather have  
Eliyah : 1/25/2022 3:17 pm : link
Tyrod Taylor or Minschew or Davis Mills or Chase Daniels than Trubisky
Having Trubisky is pointless  
Snablats : 1/25/2022 3:17 pm : link
Next year we give Jones a real offensive line and a real coordinator and see what he has. Having an also-ran veteran quarterback doesn't help us at all
Both Jones and Trubisky stink  
Producer : 1/25/2022 3:20 pm : link
I'd rather win two games with a 2nd or 3rd round QB, than watch those guys struggle to win 7.
RE: I'd rather have  
BillKo : 1/25/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15574432 Eliyah said:
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Tyrod Taylor or Minschew or Davis Mills or Chase Daniels than Trubisky


Taylor or even Daniels.....ugh. That would be pathetic.

Minschew, despite his stats, is overrated IMO.

Mills would not be available IMO.

Between Trubisky and DJ, give me DJ but the new GM has ties to MT so that could happen.

I just see identical players there.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out with the ex Buff now at GM.
RE: Having Trubisky is pointless  
Chris684 : 1/25/2022 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15574433 Snablats said:
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Next year we give Jones a real offensive line and a real coordinator and see what he has. Having an also-ran veteran quarterback doesn't help us at all


I disagree.

For one, if it's clarity on Jones we need (which I think is a day late and a dollar short at this point) then why not at least bring in viable option to unseat him? Not a bad thing.

It's been suggested, and I don't disagree, that Trubisky could beat him outright in a competition. That is also not a bad thing.

Finally, while neither are going to be confused with Joe Montana any time soon, the presence of both would mean that as we're hoping rebuilding the rest of the roster, this franchise can avoid a QB scenario of having to go between the likes of people like Glennon and Fromm.

You can even sprinkle in a draft pick like the kid Malik Willis and open camp with all 3. Let the 2 vets battle it out to open camp, they're only here for a year anyway. Maybe the loser of that competition eventually becomes 3rd string by the end of the year if the rookie gets worked in.
The Bears  
mdthedream : 1/25/2022 3:30 pm : link
let him go that tells you all you need to know.
I'd rather have Jones  
bluewave : 1/25/2022 3:31 pm : link
and by the way have you looked at what Jones makes this year versus what backup QBs are making now? Backups are getting 11-15 million a year. We don't have the CAP ROOM!
Why bother with Trubisky  
kelly : 1/25/2022 3:31 pm : link
Just spinning our wheels with him.
If Rogers went to SF  
CV36 : 1/25/2022 3:41 pm : link
Jimmy G leaves would they shop Trey Lance? If so does anyone like him better than this years class?
I want an actual star elite QB  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/25/2022 3:46 pm : link
Giants imo have never had one. I don't want an average QB who needs everything to be perfect to succeed. I want one that elevates everyone around him regardless of deficiencies. Why do Giants fans always have a "this guy is good enough, just make the team better around him" mentality? Look at other QB's who lifts their team to victories.
Short Sided  
Bruner4329 : 1/25/2022 3:47 pm : link
I will say it once again. You put most QBs in this league behind the OLs we have had the past few years none of them would have good stats. If Trubisky played with this OL he would not be running for yards, he would be running for his life.
RE: I want an actual star elite QB  
Chris684 : 1/25/2022 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15574500 shadow_spinner0 said:
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Giants imo have never had one. I don't want an average QB who needs everything to be perfect to succeed. I want one that elevates everyone around him regardless of deficiencies. Why do Giants fans always have a "this guy is good enough, just make the team better around him" mentality? Look at other QB's who lifts their team to victories.


Never had one!?

Were you around for 2011?
RE: Short Sided  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/25/2022 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15574504 Bruner4329 said:
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I will say it once again. You put most QBs in this league behind the OLs we have had the past few years none of them would have good stats. If Trubisky played with this OL he would not be running for yards, he would be running for his life.

So like Chicago then
RE: I want an actual star elite QB  
Producer : 1/25/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15574500 shadow_spinner0 said:
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Giants imo have never had one. I don't want an average QB who needs everything to be perfect to succeed. I want one that elevates everyone around him regardless of deficiencies. Why do Giants fans always have a "this guy is good enough, just make the team better around him" mentality? Look at other QB's who lifts their team to victories.


Agree.
It's bizarre. We have a fanbase that wants to make it difficult to win. They want to win with a mediocre QB. The blue collar way, even though Daniel Jones is a millionaire.
RE: RE: Having Trubisky is pointless  
Snablats : 1/25/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15574453 Chris684 said:
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Next year we give Jones a real offensive line and a real coordinator and see what he has. Having an also-ran veteran quarterback doesn't help us at all



I disagree.

For one, if it's clarity on Jones we need (which I think is a day late and a dollar short at this point) then why not at least bring in viable option to unseat him? Not a bad thing.

It's been suggested, and I don't disagree, that Trubisky could beat him outright in a competition. That is also not a bad thing.

Finally, while neither are going to be confused with Joe Montana any time soon, the presence of both would mean that as we're hoping rebuilding the rest of the roster, this franchise can avoid a QB scenario of having to go between the likes of people like Glennon and Fromm.

You can even sprinkle in a draft pick like the kid Malik Willis and open camp with all 3. Let the 2 vets battle it out to open camp, they're only here for a year anyway. Maybe the loser of that competition eventually becomes 3rd string by the end of the year if the rookie gets worked in.

How would it be a good thing if Trubisky is our quarterback? What would be the point, we already know that he's an also-ran and will lead the team nowhere

Why waste an early round Draft pick on a quarterback you know isn't going to become the guy?

The fact is Jones has never been given a real shot. Maybe he won't be any better than he has been, but we have nothing to lose because none of the Trubiskys and Mariotas are any good
RE: RE: Short Sided  
Bruner4329 : 1/25/2022 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15574507 shadow_spinner0 said:
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In comment 15574504 Bruner4329 said:


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I will say it once again. You put most QBs in this league behind the OLs we have had the past few years none of them would have good stats. If Trubisky played with this OL he would not be running for yards, he would be running for his life.


So like Chicago then


No actually the year he got them to the playoffs they had a decent OL and running game. In any case Chicago has had a better OL than us although that is not saying much.
Having a 'very good QB competition' where the end result  
Jimmy Googs : 1/25/2022 4:02 pm : link
isn't going to be a good QB isn't all that interesting to me...
I don't see the point of having both  
widmerseyebrow : 1/25/2022 4:06 pm : link
Both guys should be gone by the end of 2023 at the latest depending on when we pick a QB in the draft. Having both does what? Wins us another game or two in what will likely be a no playoff season?

We need to be shrewd with our limited cap dollars. No need to carry two duds at QB when only one can play.
RE: Short Sided  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15574504 Bruner4329 said:
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I will say it once again. You put most QBs in this league behind the OLs we have had the past few years none of them would have good stats. If Trubisky played with this OL he would not be running for yards, he would be running for his life.


You guys keep repeating this and it’s simply not true. Look what Herbert and Burrow have played with on the line. Burrow got sacked 9 times and still beat the #1 seed on the road.
I'd much prefer Mariotta.  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 4:27 pm : link
Promise him an legitimate shot at the job, I would think that would entice him to leave Vegas. Let he and DJ fight it out and may the best man win.
Trubisky is a better player,  
Go Terps : 1/25/2022 4:31 pm : link
but are we solving any issue with him here?

We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.

I hope they scout these college QBs hard.
RE: Having Trubisky is pointless  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15574433 Snablats said:
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Next year we give Jones a real offensive line and a real coordinator and see what he has. Having an also-ran veteran quarterback doesn't help us at all


But if Jones can't beat out Trubisky in camp, what's the point in playing him? Whoever the vet QB is, it has to be one who isn't going to be complacent sitting on the bench holding a clipboard. Whether it's Trubisky, Mariotta or someone else, give them a legit chance to win the job. If they can, the Jones apologists don't have much of an argument (not that it will stop them).
RE: Trubisky is a better player,  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15574599 Go Terps said:
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but are we solving any issue with him here?

We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.

I hope they scout these college QBs hard.


That would be optimal, that the FO thinks highly enough of one of the college QB's to draft him. If not, then we have to go the vet QB competition route.
Trubisky  
Jerry in_DC : 1/25/2022 4:42 pm : link
has a brother named Manning (seriously). Something to consider...
RE: RE: Short Sided  
Snablats : 1/25/2022 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15574586 ajr2456 said:
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I will say it once again. You put most QBs in this league behind the OLs we have had the past few years none of them would have good stats. If Trubisky played with this OL he would not be running for yards, he would be running for his life.



You guys keep repeating this and it’s simply not true. Look what Herbert and Burrow have played with on the line. Burrow got sacked 9 times and still beat the #1 seed on the road.

AJR - did you ever apologize for your ridiculous accusation, saying the poster used twitter info and claimed it as insider info?
RE: RE: Trubisky is a better player,  
Snablats : 1/25/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15574603 Section331 said:
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In comment 15574599 Go Terps said:


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but are we solving any issue with him here?

We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.

I hope they scout these college QBs hard.



That would be optimal, that the FO thinks highly enough of one of the college QB's to draft him. If not, then we have to go the vet QB competition route.

You dont seem to get it - we dont need vet competition because we need to see if Jones can do the job. We already know the others cant. A competition means less reps and less opportunity in the new offense
RE: I can't believe we live in a world where Mitch Trubisky  
AcidTest : 1/25/2022 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15574355 Ben in Tampa said:
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is the best option at QB but here we are


^This. Why replace Jones with Trubisky?
RE: RE: RE: Trubisky is a better player,  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15574659 Snablats said:
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In comment 15574603 Section331 said:


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In comment 15574599 Go Terps said:


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but are we solving any issue with him here?

We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.

I hope they scout these college QBs hard.



That would be optimal, that the FO thinks highly enough of one of the college QB's to draft him. If not, then we have to go the vet QB competition route.


You dont seem to get it - we dont need vet competition because we need to see if Jones can do the job. We already know the others cant. A competition means less reps and less opportunity in the new offense


You don't seem to get it. All we heard last year was that Jones needed 3 full years before we could evaluate him, and now it's 4. And if he sucks next year, you'll be pining for a 5th.

I repeat what I said, the scholarship is over. If Jones wants the starting job, he will have to go out and win it. This year showed us what you get when you sign a half-assed backup. Jones will get hurt - he always does - and at the very least, the vet backup should be able to do the job in his place. At most, win the job outright.
Why  
Jerry in_DC : 1/25/2022 5:10 pm : link
Trubisky might be better

Jones gets hurt every year so why not have 2x of them in case we're trying to win?

Watching Daniel Jones try to play QB suuuucks. It's like watching an adult who has to move their lips while reading. "OK coach said if the safety is 15 yards off the line, I should look to the right...or was it 20 yards...ok so I'm going to look right now and see if anyone is open...no..I don't think that guy was open...ok, what's next, right now I need to look for the Mike linebacker...which one was he again..."
So, the answer to having a mediocre QB is bringing in another one?  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/25/2022 5:10 pm : link
Who might be slightly better? Jones is done, but he's cheap for one more year, which is why he'll be there. If he somehow pulls the rabbit out of the hat, Schoen has a decision to make but that's not a bad problem to have.

You only bring Trubisky in as backup if you've got a vet starting. He's the same player as Jones -- not good enough to get you where you want to go.

Jones hasnt had a real line and real OC  
Snablats : 1/25/2022 5:12 pm : link
So he hasnt had his chance. Now he will. Bringing in going-nowhere veterans dont help in any way. If Jones fails, we go into 2023 no worse than we are now. If he succeeds, then we found the guy

Having the going-nowhere vets at QB just leave us where we are now. Makes more sense to roll with Jones and truly find out
RE: So, the answer to having a mediocre QB is bringing in another one?  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15574681 mikeinbloomfield said:
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Who might be slightly better? Jones is done, but he's cheap for one more year, which is why he'll be there. If he somehow pulls the rabbit out of the hat, Schoen has a decision to make but that's not a bad problem to have.

You only bring Trubisky in as backup if you've got a vet starting. He's the same player as Jones -- not good enough to get you where you want to go.


So we should sign a backup only if he's not as good as Jones? What sense does that make?
RE: Jones hasnt had a real line and real OC  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15574685 Snablats said:
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So he hasnt had his chance. Now he will. Bringing in going-nowhere veterans dont help in any way. If Jones fails, we go into 2023 no worse than we are now. If he succeeds, then we found the guy

Having the going-nowhere vets at QB just leave us where we are now. Makes more sense to roll with Jones and truly find out


If he can't beat out a "going nowhere" vet, than he isn't the answer. Nuf said.
Ill say it again because you are too dumb to get it  
Snablats : 1/25/2022 5:21 pm : link
Beating someone out means losing reps and playing time, which Jones needs to get up to speed and give him his best shot

He doesnt need a QB competition, he needs a real OL and real OC
RE: RE: Jones hasnt had a real line and real OC  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15574698 Section331 said:
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In comment 15574685 Snablats said:


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So he hasnt had his chance. Now he will. Bringing in going-nowhere veterans dont help in any way. If Jones fails, we go into 2023 no worse than we are now. If he succeeds, then we found the guy

Having the going-nowhere vets at QB just leave us where we are now. Makes more sense to roll with Jones and truly find out



If he can't beat out a "going nowhere" vet, than he isn't the answer. Nuf said.


Right. But even let’s say Jones wins the job, if he gets hurt again does everyone want to watch Jake Fromm again? No matter who the starter is we need an upgrade at backup QB.
Both suck.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/25/2022 5:23 pm : link
I don't know who sucks more.
RE: Ill say it again because you are too dumb to get it  
Section331 : 1/25/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15574702 Snablats said:
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Beating someone out means losing reps and playing time, which Jones needs to get up to speed and give him his best shot

He doesnt need a QB competition, he needs a real OL and real OC


You’re the one dumb enough to think Jones can still be a good QB.
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