If Daboll gets hired as our HC and if Daboll can talk MT into coming to NY, then I think we may have a very good QB competition for the top job. Me personally, I think Mitch would win this showdown, but that is just speculation. I know there are two big IFS to get by for this to happen. So this is just for fun to ponder.
Mitch Trubisky stats (4 years):
Record…………… 29-21
% completed…….64.1%
Yards per game average……….187 (10,652 total)
Passing TDs….64
Int……….…….38
Fumbles…….27
Rushing yards………1,081
Rushing TDs………..9
Rate…………………..87
Daniel Jones stats:
Record…………..12-25
% completed……62.8%
Yards per game average……..221 (8398 total)
Passing TDs………45
Int………………………29
Fumbles………….36
Rushing yards……….1000
Rushing TDs…………5
Rate……………..84.3
Of course, there is more to a player than just numbers. And sometimes numbers aren’t always truthful.
That's because he's NOTand i would argue that anyone who's watched him enough would see that. I, for one, can't believe the frequent references or calls for him in recent threads. Ask any Bears fan why that would be a bad idea
There's probably a young QB somewhere the Giants can get and develop. It's unlikely there's a future All-Pro or HOFer lurking as a backup somewhere, the way Brett Favre was, but there might be another Jimmy Garoppolo. Or, the original Jimmy Garoppolo, if Rodgers signs there. Jimmy G ain't great but he's better than the guys who were backing up DJ, and he might even beat out Jones for the starting job.
Mitch in a similar time period has been the better player. The fact that he represents an upgrade is such an indictment on DG. I don't see anyway Jones is still here beyond 2022, much to the dismay of guys like Dottino.
Trubisky is a good fit on a roster with Jones for 1 year. Let them battle it out. Either one is at least a competitive option and you never know about a light bulb perhaps turning on late. One also makes a good backup option to the other because of their shared mobility.
Agree
So many problems surrounding his tenure. And will he even play?
But IF he regains some of what he had under Shurmur and is surrounded by a generally competent offensive group, and asked to do what he can do well, I'm not ready to write him off.
Can be a lot of reasons a QB does well in his rookie season, and then his play falls off. And God knows, Jones has every legitimate excuse in the book. If so, there may still be something there, but if it's just a matter of DC's learning what he can and can't do, and taking away the former, it's unlikely he's going to be able to produce at a high level anywhere. But I'm not ready to throw him into the Trubisky bag, YET!
Taylor or even Daniels.....ugh. That would be pathetic.
Minschew, despite his stats, is overrated IMO.
Mills would not be available IMO.
Between Trubisky and DJ, give me DJ but the new GM has ties to MT so that could happen.
I just see identical players there.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out with the ex Buff now at GM.
I disagree.
For one, if it's clarity on Jones we need (which I think is a day late and a dollar short at this point) then why not at least bring in viable option to unseat him? Not a bad thing.
It's been suggested, and I don't disagree, that Trubisky could beat him outright in a competition. That is also not a bad thing.
Finally, while neither are going to be confused with Joe Montana any time soon, the presence of both would mean that as we're hoping rebuilding the rest of the roster, this franchise can avoid a QB scenario of having to go between the likes of people like Glennon and Fromm.
You can even sprinkle in a draft pick like the kid Malik Willis and open camp with all 3. Let the 2 vets battle it out to open camp, they're only here for a year anyway. Maybe the loser of that competition eventually becomes 3rd string by the end of the year if the rookie gets worked in.
Never had one!?
Were you around for 2011?
So like Chicago then
Agree.
It's bizarre. We have a fanbase that wants to make it difficult to win. They want to win with a mediocre QB. The blue collar way, even though Daniel Jones is a millionaire.
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Next year we give Jones a real offensive line and a real coordinator and see what he has. Having an also-ran veteran quarterback doesn't help us at all
I disagree.
For one, if it's clarity on Jones we need (which I think is a day late and a dollar short at this point) then why not at least bring in viable option to unseat him? Not a bad thing.
It's been suggested, and I don't disagree, that Trubisky could beat him outright in a competition. That is also not a bad thing.
Finally, while neither are going to be confused with Joe Montana any time soon, the presence of both would mean that as we're hoping rebuilding the rest of the roster, this franchise can avoid a QB scenario of having to go between the likes of people like Glennon and Fromm.
You can even sprinkle in a draft pick like the kid Malik Willis and open camp with all 3. Let the 2 vets battle it out to open camp, they're only here for a year anyway. Maybe the loser of that competition eventually becomes 3rd string by the end of the year if the rookie gets worked in.
How would it be a good thing if Trubisky is our quarterback? What would be the point, we already know that he's an also-ran and will lead the team nowhere
Why waste an early round Draft pick on a quarterback you know isn't going to become the guy?
The fact is Jones has never been given a real shot. Maybe he won't be any better than he has been, but we have nothing to lose because none of the Trubiskys and Mariotas are any good
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I will say it once again. You put most QBs in this league behind the OLs we have had the past few years none of them would have good stats. If Trubisky played with this OL he would not be running for yards, he would be running for his life.
So like Chicago then
No actually the year he got them to the playoffs they had a decent OL and running game. In any case Chicago has had a better OL than us although that is not saying much.
We need to be shrewd with our limited cap dollars. No need to carry two duds at QB when only one can play.
You guys keep repeating this and it’s simply not true. Look what Herbert and Burrow have played with on the line. Burrow got sacked 9 times and still beat the #1 seed on the road.
We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.
I hope they scout these college QBs hard.
But if Jones can't beat out Trubisky in camp, what's the point in playing him? Whoever the vet QB is, it has to be one who isn't going to be complacent sitting on the bench holding a clipboard. Whether it's Trubisky, Mariotta or someone else, give them a legit chance to win the job. If they can, the Jones apologists don't have much of an argument (not that it will stop them).
We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.
I hope they scout these college QBs hard.
That would be optimal, that the FO thinks highly enough of one of the college QB's to draft him. If not, then we have to go the vet QB competition route.
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I will say it once again. You put most QBs in this league behind the OLs we have had the past few years none of them would have good stats. If Trubisky played with this OL he would not be running for yards, he would be running for his life.
You guys keep repeating this and it’s simply not true. Look what Herbert and Burrow have played with on the line. Burrow got sacked 9 times and still beat the #1 seed on the road.
AJR - did you ever apologize for your ridiculous accusation, saying the poster used twitter info and claimed it as insider info?
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but are we solving any issue with him here?
We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.
I hope they scout these college QBs hard.
That would be optimal, that the FO thinks highly enough of one of the college QB's to draft him. If not, then we have to go the vet QB competition route.
You dont seem to get it - we dont need vet competition because we need to see if Jones can do the job. We already know the others cant. A competition means less reps and less opportunity in the new offense
^This. Why replace Jones with Trubisky?
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but are we solving any issue with him here?
We're either trying to solve the QB problem, or we're punting it.
I hope they scout these college QBs hard.
That would be optimal, that the FO thinks highly enough of one of the college QB's to draft him. If not, then we have to go the vet QB competition route.
You dont seem to get it - we dont need vet competition because we need to see if Jones can do the job. We already know the others cant. A competition means less reps and less opportunity in the new offense
You don't seem to get it. All we heard last year was that Jones needed 3 full years before we could evaluate him, and now it's 4. And if he sucks next year, you'll be pining for a 5th.
I repeat what I said, the scholarship is over. If Jones wants the starting job, he will have to go out and win it. This year showed us what you get when you sign a half-assed backup. Jones will get hurt - he always does - and at the very least, the vet backup should be able to do the job in his place. At most, win the job outright.
Jones gets hurt every year so why not have 2x of them in case we're trying to win?
Watching Daniel Jones try to play QB suuuucks. It's like watching an adult who has to move their lips while reading. "OK coach said if the safety is 15 yards off the line, I should look to the right...or was it 20 yards...ok so I'm going to look right now and see if anyone is open...no..I don't think that guy was open...ok, what's next, right now I need to look for the Mike linebacker...which one was he again..."
You only bring Trubisky in as backup if you've got a vet starting. He's the same player as Jones -- not good enough to get you where you want to go.
Having the going-nowhere vets at QB just leave us where we are now. Makes more sense to roll with Jones and truly find out
You only bring Trubisky in as backup if you've got a vet starting. He's the same player as Jones -- not good enough to get you where you want to go.
So we should sign a backup only if he's not as good as Jones? What sense does that make?
Having the going-nowhere vets at QB just leave us where we are now. Makes more sense to roll with Jones and truly find out
If he can't beat out a "going nowhere" vet, than he isn't the answer. Nuf said.
He doesnt need a QB competition, he needs a real OL and real OC
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So he hasnt had his chance. Now he will. Bringing in going-nowhere veterans dont help in any way. If Jones fails, we go into 2023 no worse than we are now. If he succeeds, then we found the guy
Having the going-nowhere vets at QB just leave us where we are now. Makes more sense to roll with Jones and truly find out
If he can't beat out a "going nowhere" vet, than he isn't the answer. Nuf said.
Right. But even let’s say Jones wins the job, if he gets hurt again does everyone want to watch Jake Fromm again? No matter who the starter is we need an upgrade at backup QB.
He doesnt need a QB competition, he needs a real OL and real OC
You’re the one dumb enough to think Jones can still be a good QB.