Warning: Long Post
OK. So obviously there are going to have to be significant rosters moves to create some cap space for next season. As the Giants sit right now they are about $7 million over the projected cap of $208 million for 2022. The most pressing issue on the team is the horrendous OL and it needs to be addressed both in Free Agency and the draft. Here are a list of players that are no brainers to be cut or traded at this point to free up cap to sign some key players needed for this rebuild.
Cut:
James Bradberry - saves $12,000,000
Sterling Shepard - saves $4,500,000
Kyle Rudolph - saves $5,000,000
Riley Dixon - saves $2,800,000
Davonte Booker - saves $2,125,000
Julian Love - saves $2,540,000
Trade:
Saquon Barkley (for picks, whatever you can get for him. He should not be even considered for this rebuild even if he has a good year you are in no position to pay a RB big bucks) - saves $7,210,000
This will leave the Giants with just shy of $30,000,000 in cap space. Booker is expendable at this point and the Giants will need to draft a RB with one of their 3rd round picks in my opinion or even bring in a cheap option or even keep Booker but I'd rather see them draft 2 RBs, 1 in the 3rd and one later in the draft.
Sign:
Connor Williams, OG - $12,500,000/year
Bradley Bozeman, C - $10,000,000/year
These are the 2 main signings the Giants should look at. Connor Williams had a great year and is 24 years old. He looks like he could be a force for many years if he hits the open market. If Dallas resigns him I would look at Alex Cappa (26 years old) or even Laken Tomlinson (29 years old). Scherff is older at this point and they need to look more towards a 3 year window at this point. Bozeman is 27 years old and is a very solid C that can help stabilize this line.
Gates can act as a swing OL if he does return from that injury. In the draft the Giants will address the RT position with either pick #5 or #7 in my opinion which would leave them with the potential for this OL:
LT - Andrew Thomas
LG - Connor Williams
C - Bradley Bozeman
RG - Shane Lemieux
RT - Charles Cross or Ikem Ekwonu
This process leaves TE as another area the Giants will need to address in the draft as well as potentially another CB with the loss of Bradberry but you could also see what Rodarius Williams and Aaron Robinson can give as a full time starter in year 2. DL will also need to be addressed and hopefully with the other 1st round pick.
Discuss...
But, some painful cuts will be coming no doubt.
Cutting Blake Martinez would save another $8.5M.
But, some painful cuts will be coming no doubt.
You actually don't have to in this scenario. I'm just thinking they're locked in to Xavier McKinney and Logan Ryan at this point and it may be best to draft a depth safety in the later rounds at this point. The same could be said about Booker.
Cutting Blake Martinez would save another $8.5M.
Effective cap space is more like $10 million. There will certainly be other cuts such as Ximines as someone mentioned above. I was really just putting guys on here that were at least $2 million in savings. Ximines, Bredesonm Colin Johnson, Trent Harris, and some others will certainly be cut as well.
Id cut the rest though. I also wouldnt trade barkley. you are selling WAY too low. Sign a VET OL and draft 2 high and if OL is rebuilt you will get a better understanding is barkley is truly toast. you will also do a huge favor for jones but really the new franchise guy whether he is added in 22 or 23
Id cut the rest though. I also wouldnt trade barkley. you are selling WAY too low. Sign a VET OL and draft 2 high and if OL is rebuilt you will get a better understanding is barkley is truly toast. you will also do a huge favor for jones but really the new franchise guy whether he is added in 22 or 23
My issue with Barkley is that if he does have a good year he is set to get paid after next season. I can't see any scenario in which you sign him to any deal at this point. RB is not worth the investment that he would likely demand especially after having a good year. If the Giants build a good OL getting a RB that produces is not hard especially if you take 2 RBs in the next 2 drafts in the 3rd round or later.
There absolutely is and will be in my opinion. I was really just geared in on guys that were saving at least $2 million.
This is specifically important as Bradberry likely has decent trade value because of this as his cap number would be about 13mil for the team trading for him.
If someone has cap space this isn't bad for someone that can play CB1 at a fairly high level. For reference 13mil a year would put him around CB15 in salary.
Also, I'm not trading Saquan in the off-season. His value is in the crapper right now. There is a very good chance he comes back next season looking more like he did in his rookie year. I would look to trade him during the season when he hopefully looks more like his old self and before he gets hurt again.
Julian Love has more than earned his spot for what he gets paid, so I'm keeping him as well.
Here is an idea. Trade Bradberry and his 12 million to a team that can give us back a solid starting OL man getting paid say 6 million.
We save 6 million and get an OL starter and the other team gets a starting cornerback for effectively 6 million a year.
Win win for both teams
Who knows, maybe he has some sort of trade value as well. I think he is expendable on this roster right now with McKinney and Ryan locked into the S position.
As a reminder during the offseason only top 51 salaries have to fit below the cap. Not all of the draft picks will hit that criteria.
There are a number of ways to trim down that number, but that is the challenge they face today.
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Love. You are not replacing him with a better cheaper version.
But, some painful cuts will be coming no doubt.
You actually don't have to in this scenario. I'm just thinking they're locked in to Xavier McKinney and Logan Ryan at this point and it may be best to draft a depth safety in the later rounds at this point. The same could be said about Booker.
There are only so many picks in the draft. Love is almost starting caliber at CB and safety. I do think some of the CBs they got last year are pretty decent. Not sure he fits in with the future, true.
I do not disagree on cutting more players and re-booting
Here is an idea. Trade Bradberry and his 12 million to a team that can give us back a solid starting OL man getting paid say 6 million.
We save 6 million and get an OL starter and the other team gets a starting cornerback for effectively 6 million a year.
Win win for both teams
You really don't though. Bradberry is replaced in house by either Williams or Robinson. Dixon you can get an UDFA P for. Shepard can absolutely be replaced by Toney and you can draft a WR with one of the picks. Rudolph can be replaced by a draft pick and a cheaper FA and the same can be said about the RB's.
Also, I'm not trading Saquan in the off-season. His value is in the crapper right now. There is a very good chance he comes back next season looking more like he did in his rookie year. I would look to trade him during the season when he hopefully looks more like his old self and before he gets hurt again.
Julian Love has more than earned his spot for what he gets paid, so I'm keeping him as well.
I think it's important to understand that this team is not a playoff team next year. Bradberry should not be equated into a rebuild. If they can trade his massive contract then you absolutely do it but if not he has to be cut.
- with Engram, Peppers, and Hernandez departing as scheduled UFAs, they figure to factor into the compensatory pick formula for 2023.
- returning to the premium FA market would not only result in more possibilities of the team overpaying for veteran talent, but also negating the comp pick gains from those departing FAs
- given the longview of a rebuild, augmenting the '23 draft capital might be most sensible. whereas expensive incoming FAs figure to be albatrosses eventually. think of how Gettleman went in on Solder as a short-term fix, and how crippling that contract would become when the team needed financial flexibility to course correct.
- trading Barkley is optimistic. he's a pending FA in 2023, and coming off his worst professional season. there might be a minimal trade market for him. some may say "take anything," but once again consider how the comp pick formula can work too the advantage of a team who avoids the premium FA market. another team might off a 5th today; however, if he has a bounce back seasons and signs a big deal somewhere, that could equal a 3rd round comp pick.
Lol. He’s a penalty machine.
I was golfing with a Dallas fan buddy of mine yesterday and he literally said he would cut him and play anyone else on that line. He said if you’ve sucked for 4 years, wtf are are waiting for? Get rid of him.
It's not clear how much of his 2022 salary is guaranteed. There was conflicting reporting at the time, and the cap sites do not know for sure.
If his salary is not guaranteed, Ryan is a great candidate to cut.
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Not going to fill all positions with draft picks.
Here is an idea. Trade Bradberry and his 12 million to a team that can give us back a solid starting OL man getting paid say 6 million.
We save 6 million and get an OL starter and the other team gets a starting cornerback for effectively 6 million a year.
Win win for both teams
You really don't though. Bradberry is replaced in house by either Williams or Robinson. Dixon you can get an UDFA P for. Shepard can absolutely be replaced by Toney and you can draft a WR with one of the picks. Rudolph can be replaced by a draft pick and a cheaper FA and the same can be said about the RB's.
Williams and Robinson are slot Corners not boundry corners
Also, I'm not trading Saquan in the off-season. His value is in the crapper right now. There is a very good chance he comes back next season looking more like he did in his rookie year. I would look to trade him during the season when he hopefully looks more like his old self and before he gets hurt again.
Julian Love has more than earned his spot for what he gets paid, so I'm keeping him as well.
You trade SB now because just as much as you believe he gets back to his rookie form I think there is just as much of a chance he gets hurt again.
Lol. He’s a penalty machine.
I was golfing with a Dallas fan buddy of mine yesterday and he literally said he would cut him and play anyone else on that line. He said if you’ve sucked for 4 years, wtf are are waiting for? Get rid of him.
Your friend is used to Zach Martin. Connor Williams had a good year, not great, and is only 24 years old. I like the risk/reward with him a lot. You could easily look at Alex Cappa too if you don't like Williams.
If you trade him, then fine. But if that is the case I would see if Golladay could go first...
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Had a good year?
Lol. He’s a penalty machine.
I was golfing with a Dallas fan buddy of mine yesterday and he literally said he would cut him and play anyone else on that line. He said if you’ve sucked for 4 years, wtf are are waiting for? Get rid of him.
Your friend is used to Zach Martin. Connor Williams had a good year, not great, and is only 24 years old. I like the risk/reward with him a lot. You could easily look at Alex Cappa too if you don't like Williams.
No, he's trash.
He had 17 penalties, including 14 for holding this yr.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCo00/penalties/
I’m not sure the trade market for him will be as healthy as some might expect. At a 13.4M price tag, teams very well might wait out the Giants to cut him.
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Had a good year?
Lol. He’s a penalty machine.
I was golfing with a Dallas fan buddy of mine yesterday and he literally said he would cut him and play anyone else on that line. He said if you’ve sucked for 4 years, wtf are are waiting for? Get rid of him.
Your friend is used to Zach Martin. Connor Williams had a good year, not great, and is only 24 years old. I like the risk/reward with him a lot. You could easily look at Alex Cappa too if you don't like Williams.
No, he's trash.
He had 17 penalties, including 14 for holding this yr.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillCo00/penalties/
I completely disagree. Does he need to cut down on penalties? Absolutely. 0.13 sacks allowed a game and 1 hurry/game will completely disagree with you calling him trash. He is more than adequate and again is only 24 years old. The ceiling is there.
gates
ximines
shep
dixon
rudolph
i'd also give real thought to cutting blake martinez
players i'd try to trade
dexter lawrence
graham gano
barkley
jones
Lol. He’s a penalty machine.
I was golfing with a Dallas fan buddy of mine yesterday and he literally said he would cut him and play anyone else on that line. He said if you’ve sucked for 4 years, wtf are are waiting for? Get rid of him.
I agree with you. My friend who’s also huge cowboys fan, want him out of his team asap. High expectations but huge failure. I watched him 49ers gameto see how he looked and he was terrible.
I would rather save money on him and draft rookie guard than Williams getting 12-13 mil. No thanks.
I don't think Martinez should be cut. Restructure him. Draft another Edge rushers with one of the 2 1sts.
Wow. Imagine if you actually knew his name.
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Had a good year?
Lol. He’s a penalty machine.
I was golfing with a Dallas fan buddy of mine yesterday and he literally said he would cut him and play anyone else on that line. He said if you’ve sucked for 4 years, wtf are are waiting for? Get rid of him.
I agree with you. My friend who’s also huge cowboys fan, want him out of his team asap. High expectations but huge failure. I watched him 49ers gameto see how he looked and he was terrible.
I would rather save money on him and draft rookie guard than Williams getting 12-13 mil. No thanks.
Again, you can look at Cappa as well. 26 years old and solid.
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I bet Schone has you on speed dial
Wow. Imagine if you actually knew his name.
Well played.
12m free in 2022
100m+ available in 2023
200m+ available in 2024
you get to that starting point cutting Solder, Rudolph, Booker, Dixon, and Shepard (june 1). all simple obvious moves.
12m is also the cap room OTC estimates for the rookie pool - so essentially we have found the bare minimum point to sign rookies and minimum salary players.
If you want to spend from there (which they should) it becomes choose your own adventure because money needs to move around. Here are some of those options.
Bradberry's cap # is 21m and if traded frees up $12m. His cap number for an acquiring team is around $9m. That seems a pretty good bargain relative to UFA prices so I'd expect some teams to be interested in trading for him. Or you can extend him and bring the cap number down to a flatter AAV for a few years (like say 12-15m). It probably makes sense to do one or the other vs. letting him play out the year. Solid corners are hard to find and he's only entering his a29 year. he plays a style that could/should age gracefully. justifiable decision either way but probably wouldn't trade a starting CB for less than 3rd because with a strong year he could bring that back in a comp pick.
Trading Barkley would save his full $7m cap #. can you get enough to make that worthwhile? A risk free 1 year 7m cap # is as cheap of a lotto ticket as you can get so he seems a great buy low. selling low seems riskier than holding.
A Martinez extension could bring his cap # down (currently $14m) - that might be a good idea since he's not in a great spot in terms of leverage. Can they get him under contract for a few years under $10m against the cap? Or do you trade him? An acquiring team would probably be willing to risk a 5m cap hit, though LB's don't typically bring back much in trade.
Trading Logan Ryan saves another $6m or so. He's a good leader but they may have the depth to replace him. so this one would depend on whether there's a taker at any price. Cutting him doesn't save much money so the other options would be pay cut or restructuring.
Trading Golladay (saves $7.5m) but seems unlikely given how bad he played. Trading A. Jackson (saves $6m) could make sense depending on what the outcome is with Bradberry. I think someone would take Jackson since the cap number for an acquiring team would be $9m.
Leonard Williams is best candidate to restructure as it's hard to envision getting enough trade compensation back to justify trading him.
All in all I expect Schoen to have a lot of guys on the trade block. And ultimately trade more than 1 of the guys listed above. I don't expect a very active free agency but I do think they would be smart to make 1 or 2 tactical acquisitions - like a rock solid OL.
Also kudos to Abrams bc it appears he gave the organization a parachute structuring a lot of these deals to create favorable cap #'s for acquiring teams in trades.
There are only so many picks in the draft. Love is almost starting caliber at CB and safety. I do think some of the CBs they got last year are pretty decent. Not sure he fits in with the future, true.
I do not disagree on cutting more players and re-booting
Love is one guy I would hesitate to put on the cut list, but I disagree that he is a starting caliber CB. S, sure, but he is at best a rotational guy at CB.
correct per the OTC calculator right now but with 1 caveat - they have the NYG currently sitting $7m in the red. So they have those moves saving $19m, bringing the cap to +12m. it's possible that current -7m in the red is one of those things that changes when the cap calculation switches back to the offseason cap rules or something.
That's a possibility. Traded his cap # is 16.6m which is probably slightly below market relative to what he'd be worth on the open market as a UFA, without any signing bonus liability, and the trading team would get 2 years since he's not entering a walk year.
it would be hilarious if after all the arguing the giants returned the 3rd round pick (or maybe even improved it).
It's not clear how much of his 2022 salary is guaranteed. There was conflicting reporting at the time, and the cap sites do not know for sure.
If his salary is not guaranteed, Ryan is a great candidate to cut.
It's probably safe to assume the worst case scenario.
since he's entering a walk year it would be an extension (adding new years) not a restructure.
I could go either way. He's young enough that I'd be comfortable adding 1 or 2 years and I agree with you someone has to play on the field. Bradberry seems like a good guy and has proven he's solid/reliable.
But if you can get a 2nd or 3rd and save $12m to address other needs, that's tempting too. CB would become a big need in the draft but with Jackson, Robinson, and Holmes the depth chart has some depth. And if you get a 2nd day pick you can add another CB who probably won't be as good as Bradberry day 1 but should have that kind of cost controlled upside.