Warning: Long Post
OK. So obviously there are going to have to be significant rosters moves to create some cap space for next season. As the Giants sit right now they are about $7 million over the projected cap of $208 million for 2022. The most pressing issue on the team is the horrendous OL and it needs to be addressed both in Free Agency and the draft. Here are a list of players that are no brainers to be cut or traded at this point to free up cap to sign some key players needed for this rebuild.
Cut:
James Bradberry - saves $12,000,000
Sterling Shepard - saves $4,500,000
Kyle Rudolph - saves $5,000,000
Riley Dixon - saves $2,800,000
Davonte Booker - saves $2,125,000
Julian Love - saves $2,540,000
Trade:
Saquon Barkley (for picks, whatever you can get for him. He should not be even considered for this rebuild even if he has a good year you are in no position to pay a RB big bucks) - saves $7,210,000
This will leave the Giants with just shy of $30,000,000 in cap space. Booker is expendable at this point and the Giants will need to draft a RB with one of their 3rd round picks in my opinion or even bring in a cheap option or even keep Booker but I'd rather see them draft 2 RBs, 1 in the 3rd and one later in the draft.
Sign:
Connor Williams, OG - $12,500,000/year
Bradley Bozeman, C - $10,000,000/year
These are the 2 main signings the Giants should look at. Connor Williams had a great year and is 24 years old. He looks like he could be a force for many years if he hits the open market. If Dallas resigns him I would look at Alex Cappa (26 years old) or even Laken Tomlinson (29 years old). Scherff is older at this point and they need to look more towards a 3 year window at this point. Bozeman is 27 years old and is a very solid C that can help stabilize this line.
Gates can act as a swing OL if he does return from that injury. In the draft the Giants will address the RT position with either pick #5 or #7 in my opinion which would leave them with the potential for this OL:
LT - Andrew Thomas
LG - Connor Williams
C - Bradley Bozeman
RG - Shane Lemieux
RT - Charles Cross or Ikem Ekwonu
This process leaves TE as another area the Giants will need to address in the draft as well as potentially another CB with the loss of Bradberry but you could also see what Rodarius Williams and Aaron Robinson can give as a full time starter in year 2. DL will also need to be addressed and hopefully with the other 1st round pick.
Discuss...
It's not clear how much of his 2022 salary is guaranteed. There was conflicting reporting at the time, and the cap sites do not know for sure.
If his salary is not guaranteed, Ryan is a great candidate to cut.
Trading him on the other hand saves 6.275m and his cap hit for the acquiring team is just $5.95m.
I would think there's a team out there with room willing to dump a late round pick on him.
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id actually restructure bradberry and martinez. martinez is only 28 and wont command much. If they feel he is recovered he is a nice piece in middle of defense and i think bradberry still produces. id extend both to free space.
Id cut the rest though. I also wouldnt trade barkley. you are selling WAY too low. Sign a VET OL and draft 2 high and if OL is rebuilt you will get a better understanding is barkley is truly toast. you will also do a huge favor for jones but really the new franchise guy whether he is added in 22 or 23
My issue with Barkley is that if he does have a good year he is set to get paid after next season. I can't see any scenario in which you sign him to any deal at this point. RB is not worth the investment that he would likely demand especially after having a good year. If the Giants build a good OL getting a RB that produces is not hard especially if you take 2 RBs in the next 2 drafts in the 3rd round or later.
Yep. From every angle I see, trading Barkley looks like the right move. The only case where it wouldn't be would be if you thought you had a shot at a Super Bowl next year.
Martinez, Logan Ryan, Galladay would be on my trade block as long as its a good return including 2023 draft picks
Bradberry, Shep, Dixon, Logan Ryan(if no trade partner), Solder would top my list of cuts
Leonard Williams, Adoree would be on my restructure/extend list
I'd take a 23 '2 for either, which wouldn't be that much to give up i your another team.
if he plays well yet they dont want to extend him long term, the can let him walk and try to get a comp pick.
or tag him - which is quite affordable for a rb (2022 tag is projected to be $9.5m). they could conceivably do that twice.
so the only 2 questions are:
what pick is on the table now?
what can the 7m buy in other players?
unless it's a 2nd or higher it's unlikely that they will be tempted by the 7m savings. pff projects Cordarelle Patterson (2 years $12m) and Fournette (2 years $16m) as the top 2 in UFA. better off playing the lotto ticket that barkley gets closer to what he was pre-injury in the 2nd year back - as Nick Chubb has done post-UGA (CLE just gave him a 3 year $36m extension, 20m guaranteed).
Yeah, he's just a name people remember from the past.
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before he starts getting too complacent by being a NY Giant..
That's a possibility. Traded his cap # is 16.6m which is probably slightly below market relative to what he'd be worth on the open market as a UFA, without any signing bonus liability, and the trading team would get 2 years since he's not entering a walk year.
it would be hilarious if after all the arguing the giants returned the 3rd round pick (or maybe even improved it).
My guess is he is one of the few attractive pieces on our roster to other GMs. I think we could do better than a 3rd.
And I wish I could say that ridiculous ride with Team LW was funny.
Just yet another sad episode of "How My GM Wasted 4 Years of Being a NY Giant Fan" to me...
He is like a nod above Average I would suggest.
Nothing special that he should be targeted for our upcoming rebuild...
That guy - even if it's not all the way back - has value to a good team. I know people are way down on him, but he is a weapon if he gets most of his athleticism back.
I don't think he's tradeable now. So it depends on your value of 2022 cap space vs. Potential future draft pick return
Also, I'm not trading Saquan in the off-season. His value is in the crapper right now. There is a very good chance he comes back next season looking more like he did in his rookie year. I would look to trade him during the season when he hopefully looks more like his old self and before he gets hurt again.
Julian Love has more than earned his spot for what he gets paid, so I'm keeping him as well.
Agree 100%
2. James Daniels - he's bounced around all 3 interior positions so may not be the kind of plug and play Jensen is but what's really stand out about him is that he's on the ascent and still very young. He entered the draft at 20 years old, went in the 2nd round so he avoided the 5th year option, so after 4 years he's entering UFA at 24. pff thinks he played his best football at RG this year but over his career he has graded out especially well in pass blocking (credited with just 4 sacks allowed in 48 starts). PFF projects 5 years $50m.
so either would cost around $10m in AAV, which there are lots of ways mentioned above to maneuver for and seems like a good investment to correct the mistake made letting Zeitler go. with 2 plus starters it becomes more viable to let Bredesen, Lemieux, Gates, Price, and some rookies (ideally including at least 1 first rounder) battle it out for the other spots.
especially if they can finally land an elite OL coach like munchak.
I would think there's a team out there with room willing to dump a late round pick on him.
The cap savings widget on OTC isn't capturing the nuance of what he's reporting.
Jason at OTC is estimating 5.5M of the 9.25M is guaranteed on March 17.
If that is true the Giants can cut him before March 17 and save the full 9.25M in 2022 salary.
The Giants would incur 5.9M in dead money in 2022 (balance of the remaining bonus).
The Giants would save 9.25M in real cap dollars, and his cap charge would go down from 12.225M to 5.9m in 2022 -- identical to being traded.
Of course you do. I think I will wait and see how the new GM evaluates our roster.
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If there's a way to make that list longer, do it.
Of course you do. I think I will wait and see how the new GM evaluates our roster.
Hey look - the dupe wants to wait and see...
gates
ximines
shep
dixon
rudolph
i'd also give real thought to cutting blake martinez
players i'd try to trade
dexter lawrence
graham gano
barkley
jones
Glad your not. Trading Gano is dumb. He is almost automatic and can probably be kicking at this level for another 5 years.
Secondly, I think Love is a smart, capable player who is young enough to contribute when the Giants return to contention. I’d like to see us sign him to a reasonable second contract.
Apart from that, good post. I think we need to face the music and trade or cut Bradberry. He is on the downward slope of his career.
Secondly, I think Love is a smart, capable player who is young enough to contribute when the Giants return to contention. I’d like to see us sign him to a reasonable second contract.
Apart from that, good post. I think we need to face the music and trade or cut Bradberry. He is on the downward slope of his career.
Love has total cap charge of $2.7M in 2022 with $2.5M in base salary. If Giants cut him they save $2.5M on the cap. Love is a good utility player for nickel/dime packages and was steal as 4th round draft pick, but he is a bit undersized to be a full time safety and has gotten beat deep a few times. If Schoen and Daboll want to do full rebuild they may keep Love for 1 more year, but unlikely he stays long term.
Bradberry, Martinez and Logan all took "cap friendly" deals from Gettleman 2 years ago and it looks like the piper has come to collect his due on the cap.
Bradberry is getting paid like top 10 CB but is not producing anywhere near the value of his contract. I think the Giants may try to extend him b/c at least he has been consistent but I would rather trade or cut him to clear the space as well.
Martinez is overpaid for a MLB that only really shows up on the meaningless tackles stat line. He will be coming off serious knee injury that might reduce his speed and effectiveness. I think the Giants bite the bullet and cut him to save $8.5M in 2022.
Ryan is tougher to move on from b/c his contract is basically guaranteed for 2022 and it is doubtful the Giants can trade him at this point in his career. Cutting him gets the Giants nothing.
Williams and Golloday are basically untouchable until 2023.
The Giants are at an interesting place b/c with new GM and new HC there will be less inclined to value the current roster front office personnel. If Mara was serious about moving team in different direction then there could be lot of new names/faces in the locker room in 2022. There will be no sacred cows, scholarships or personal woobies like Ebner.
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If there's a way to make that list longer, do it.
Of course you do. I think I will wait and see how the new GM evaluates our roster.
Hey look - the dupe wants to wait and see...
Have you figured out yet who this is? Not a tough one.
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In comment 15574439 Go Terps said:
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If there's a way to make that list longer, do it.
Of course you do. I think I will wait and see how the new GM evaluates our roster.
Hey look - the dupe wants to wait and see...
Have you figured out yet who this is? Not a tough one.
No idea. I'm terrible at identifying these mopes.
Love is an interesting piece. One of the few guys last year on the Defense that may not have regressed.
But he still doesn’t show enough talent to me to be a plus type player. Good roster guy but not a value added starter.
I really don’t agree. His pressures against and sacks rates are low and he’s very young. Worth taking a look at. If they don’t like him look at Cappa.
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Trading him on the other hand saves 6.275m and his cap hit for the acquiring team is just $5.95m.
I would think there's a team out there with room willing to dump a late round pick on him.
The cap savings widget on OTC isn't capturing the nuance of what he's reporting.
Jason at OTC is estimating 5.5M of the 9.25M is guaranteed on March 17.
If that is true the Giants can cut him before March 17 and save the full 9.25M in 2022 salary.
The Giants would incur 5.9M in dead money in 2022 (balance of the remaining bonus).
The Giants would save 9.25M in real cap dollars, and his cap charge would go down from 12.225M to 5.9m in 2022 -- identical to being traded.
if that's the case then that's good news. i'd imagine they will cut him unless he's willing to restructure / pay cut, which would be best of both worlds.
if he's wanted elsewhere enough that he'd get a bigger pay day than he's due that team would likely trade for him to get a more favorable contract situation without being on the hook for bonus $. doubt it would be more than a 6 or 7 but better than nothing.
if that's not the case then the nyg should have some leverage for the pay cut similar to what they should have done with Zeitler last year.
either way I'd guess they'll have more than $20m available on day 1 of FA with roughly 75% of last year's starters still under contract.
The big decision is whether to extend or trade Bradberry. I would guess there's no pick better than a 3 or 4 so extension is probably the better bet. Add on a couple years at a similar AAV to the original deal (14.5m).
I do think Bradberry has a future in the Logan Ryan cover safety role as he ages. But it's got to be a team friendly arrangement. The Giants would be foolish to get into Logan Ryan v.2 territory with Bradberry.
Googs- I don’t think Love is a star. I think he is a capable, smart player. Many players like that have long careers with teams at reasonable salary levels, but those teams need stable leadership and systems. I’d like to see that develop here and Love be part of the system.
Googs- I don’t think Love is a star. I think he is a capable, smart player. Many players like that have long careers with teams at reasonable salary levels, but those teams need stable leadership and systems. I’d like to see that develop here and Love be part of the system.
Agree cosmic. Just throwing my 2-cents in here that I don't see Starter material with Love.
He can play in some packages, serviceable and versatile backup but not kind of good enough at anything to. If money fits then fine but not anywhere near starter money. Similar to your views probably...