Two all time greats who have one SB appearance and win each one but only one gets killed for being a choke artist and one is spared? Is it because Rodgers is more talented, had better teams, and because he's more douchy than Brees?
of the Minneapolis miracle and the PI debacle against the Rams. Not to mention the loss at SF in 2011. He's had some pretty bad breaks in the playoffs.
of the Minneapolis miracle and the PI debacle against the Rams. Not to mention the loss at SF in 2011. He's had some pretty bad breaks in the playoffs.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
Ever think his family might suck? Rodgers is no doubt a strange guy, but whatever traits he picked up in life are almost certainly linked back to how he was raised. Dating back to the draft he's pretty much the same guy which means money and fame didn't change him.
Rodgers is no doubt a strange guy, but whatever traits he picked up in life are almost certainly linked back to how he was raised. Dating back to the draft he's pretty much the same guy which means money and fame didn't change him.
Yeah. The whole family thing I don't see the big deal, at all. I don't care too much for anyone in my family and get along with other people great. Some people just don't get along with members of their family.
Just because someone is your parent, sibling or cousin; doesn't mean they can't be assholes.
RE: because Brees was an overachiever relative to his talent
he was never a strong armed or overly athletic player so most would probably agree he made the most of his abilities in Payton's system. especially given the shoulder surgery that was bad enough that Nick Saban passed on him and instead signed Daunte Culpepper in FA.
Rodgers on the other hand might be the most talented QB to ever play the game. His arm talent and athleticism both set a new standard so it is surprising he only won the 1 SB.
Brees never won an MVP award (he finished 2nd 4x).
Rodgers won 3 (and may get #4 this year).
Wasn’t Saban overruled by MIA’s training staff and team docs, who were scared away by the shoulder? At least my recollection… could be wrong.
of the Minneapolis miracle and the PI debacle against the Rams. Not to mention the loss at SF in 2011. He's had some pretty bad breaks in the playoffs.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
Most unfortunate playoff loss I think I've ever seen, from a neutral perspective.
Makes Craig's fumble seem like not such a big deal.
Maybe I loathe Seattle's fortunes more than anything. :D
of the Minneapolis miracle and the PI debacle against the Rams. Not to mention the loss at SF in 2011. He's had some pretty bad breaks in the playoffs.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
Most unfortunate playoff loss I think I've ever seen, from a neutral perspective.
Makes Craig's fumble seem like not such a big deal.
Maybe I loathe Seattle's fortunes more than anything. :D
That was a crushing loss. That was during a time when Seattle and Wilson were out of their minds pulling rabbits out of hats to win games.
It was almost fitting, though, that they lost two weeks later to New England on the incredible interception by Butler. It's like the Football Gods said "enough is enough"...have a seat.
is what keeps Packers underachieving in big moments, IMO.
It all makes sense if you really think about it.
His otherworldly arm talent and physical ability is plenty in the regular season against decent to very good teams.
In the postseason in the modern day, it's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle that 2010 super bowl run, and had the defense as well.
But when things go south in the playoffs as they always do, he gives up easily.
Mentally, he's not super tough. I am the biggest Russell Wilson critic on the planet, but if Rodgers' had Wilson's mental toughness he'd have won a couple super bowls probably.
Garoppolo is even better than him in this instance. Plenty of QBs you could list. Brady is an absolute no brainer, and there are several others.
Rodgers' is just so damn talented, it's easy to ignore this stuff. Get wowed by that sick drive to end regulation against the Cards in 2015.....
But then last weekend, a fumble on the 2nd drive and immediately the guy gives up like he's down 21.
In the regular season, Rodgers gives you wins. But in the post, you need a team that can win in spite of him to some extent.
After a decade, something has to make sense of this. Were last year's Bucs really a better squad than all of last decade's Packers' teams?
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
Most unfortunate playoff loss I think I've ever seen, from a neutral perspective.
Makes Craig's fumble seem like not such a big deal.
Maybe I loathe Seattle's fortunes more than anything. :D
That was a crushing loss. That was during a time when Seattle and Wilson were out of their minds pulling rabbits out of hats to win games.
It was almost fitting, though, that they lost two weeks later to New England on the incredible interception by Butler. It's like the Football Gods said "enough is enough"...have a seat.
I absolutely couldn't agree with you more, well said.
How quickly people forget. Luckiest team I've ever seen.
Ask Matt Stafford about that goal line punch out of Calvin Johnson by Kam Chancellor the season after. Just surreal what they pulled off.
Eli beat both Rodgers and Favre in Green Bay for the NFC Championship
is what keeps Packers underachieving in big moments, IMO.
It all makes sense if you really think about it.
His otherworldly arm talent and physical ability is plenty in the regular season against decent to very good teams.
In the postseason in the modern day, it's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle that 2010 super bowl run, and had the defense as well.
But when things go south in the playoffs as they always do, he gives up easily.
Mentally, he's not super tough. I am the biggest Russell Wilson critic on the planet, but if Rodgers' had Wilson's mental toughness he'd have won a couple super bowls probably.
Garoppolo is even better than him in this instance. Plenty of QBs you could list. Brady is an absolute no brainer, and there are several others.
Rodgers' is just so damn talented, it's easy to ignore this stuff. Get wowed by that sick drive to end regulation against the Cards in 2015.....
But then last weekend, a fumble on the 2nd drive and immediately the guy gives up like he's down 21.
In the regular season, Rodgers gives you wins. But in the post, you need a team that can win in spite of him to some extent.
After a decade, something has to make sense of this. Were last year's Bucs really a better squad than all of last decade's Packers' teams?
There’s nothing factual about saying he isn’t mentally tough. The guy just took and entire offseason of shit from everyone with a Twitter account and a microphone, and put up an MVP season without camp. Mentally weak people can’t do that.
The better and more obvious reason is - he’s just like almost every other QB to ever play the game - winning super bowls is fucking hard and lots of breaks need to be in your favor.
is what keeps Packers underachieving in big moments, IMO.
It all makes sense if you really think about it.
His otherworldly arm talent and physical ability is plenty in the regular season against decent to very good teams.
In the postseason in the modern day, it's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle that 2010 super bowl run, and had the defense as well.
But when things go south in the playoffs as they always do, he gives up easily.
Mentally, he's not super tough. I am the biggest Russell Wilson critic on the planet, but if Rodgers' had Wilson's mental toughness he'd have won a couple super bowls probably.
Garoppolo is even better than him in this instance. Plenty of QBs you could list. Brady is an absolute no brainer, and there are several others.
Rodgers' is just so damn talented, it's easy to ignore this stuff. Get wowed by that sick drive to end regulation against the Cards in 2015.....
But then last weekend, a fumble on the 2nd drive and immediately the guy gives up like he's down 21.
In the regular season, Rodgers gives you wins. But in the post, you need a team that can win in spite of him to some extent.
After a decade, something has to make sense of this. Were last year's Bucs really a better squad than all of last decade's Packers' teams?
There’s nothing factual about saying he isn’t mentally tough. The guy just took and entire offseason of shit from everyone with a Twitter account and a microphone, and put up an MVP season without camp. Mentally weak people can’t do that.
The better and more obvious reason is - he’s just like almost every other QB to ever play the game - winning super bowls is fucking hard and lots of breaks need to be in your favor.
He's super tough off the field, almost too tough.
On the field, IMO could be tougher.
But agree, too much stock put into QBs being responsible for everything.
However, when you tell casual fans he's only won 1 SB, they all act shocked.
Really terrific QB, not taking that away from a HoF career. But he played in a dome and in a division with pretty much always good weather. Again, he’s a HoF QB. No doubt about. But I don’t think Brees is any better than Eli, in fact I’d argue the opposite that Eli’s clearly had a much more difficult division and obviously worse weather. But yeah, for some reason people yerk and jizz all over Brees but then say Eli isn’t anything special. Playing indoors for a QB is a high advantage.
As far as Rodgers? He better than all but a handful to ever play the game. I don’t understand how that isn’t clear to anyone and everyone that’s a fan of the game. Weird dude. Always has been. Seems like a real stiff prick too. But he’s an all time great QB.
There’s nothing factual about saying he isn’t mentally tough. The guy just took and entire offseason of shit from everyone with a Twitter account and a microphone, and put up an MVP season without camp. Mentally weak people can’t do that.
The better and more obvious reason is - he’s just like almost every other QB to ever play the game - winning super bowls is fucking hard and lots of breaks need to be in your favor.
I agree and the Packers FO deserves some blame. They're overly stingy adding talent through FA (some ST help maybe?). And maybe an impact player taken with the Love pick would've made a difference.
of the Minneapolis miracle and the PI debacle against the Rams. Not to mention the loss at SF in 2011. He's had some pretty bad breaks in the playoffs.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
I don’t disagree but Brees had some really brutal luck in a few playoff games. I don’t remember many outright stinkers or games where the saints got blown out.
Said this in my long post about the Packers on Sunday. The conventional wisdom is: Green Bay is a top-notch organization, LaFleur is a top coach, so the failures must be someone else's fault: Aaron Rodgers. But maybe we all have it backwards. Maybe they're a so-so organization that has been riding HoF-level QB play for 30 years, and without that they'd be about the same as the Bears or Vikings.
Purely from a football standpoint, I get it. As a person, I don't.
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
I don’t know anything about Rodgers the person other than that he’s been a model citizen, charitable, and is strange. There are so many scumbags in sports whose character is worth hating, and I wouldn’t put him anywhere near that class of person.
i sat behind Brees and his wife on a flight from Tel Aviv to Munich a
few years ago (I think the summer before his last season). Brees and his wife showed up at the gate in their track suits (something out of the 1980s!) and did light calisthenics and stretching for the hour before the flight. On the flight they both watched exercise videos on their iPads. Like they were totally focused and committed.
I was also on a flight with Flutie on a flight from Boston to San Diego. It was the weekend that he parted ways with the Chargers. He watched rock videos on his computer the whole flight (he's in a band).
RE: Or: Maybe Rodgers is carrying an overrated Packer team.
Said this in my long post about the Packers on Sunday. The conventional wisdom is: Green Bay is a top-notch organization, LaFleur is a top coach, so the failures must be someone else's fault: Aaron Rodgers. But maybe we all have it backwards. Maybe they're a so-so organization that has been riding HoF-level QB play for 30 years, and without that they'd be about the same as the Bears or Vikings.
(And I really, REALLY can't stand Aaron Rodgers.)
This is copout. Rodgers has disappointed in the playoffs wayyy too often to just blame the organization.
Rodgers is unlikable and arrogant. They're both pretty much his
defining qualities. Brees is the opposite of both of those things.
Plus now he's made himself a political figure with his weird and cowardly deception followed by being unrepentantly anti vax. Brees never has nor would he put himself in that position.
Lastly, Rodgers has flopped a few more times in big spots, probably because he made it to those big spots more regularly.
Was a much more dominant regular season QB. Brees was a terror at home but inconsistent on the road. So the lack of super bowl appearances is more noticeable.
And as others noted, Brees is literally a saint off the field for his personality, community initiatives and being a loving father. Rodgers is more of a rebel bachelor, who dates celebrities and has been douchey towards teammates and the press. He sort of embraces being a bit of a villain.
RE: Rodgers is unlikable and arrogant. They're both pretty much his
defining qualities. Brees is the opposite of both of those things.
Plus now he's made himself a political figure with his weird and cowardly deception followed by being unrepentantly anti vax. Brees never has nor would he put himself in that position.
Lastly, Rodgers has flopped a few more times in big spots, probably because he made it to those big spots more regularly.
Small correction, others made him into a political figure. I don't see him as such, the only ones who do are looking for a problem which echoes the current climate.
He doesn't like vaccines. I don't agree with him but that's his business.
has scored less than 20 points exactly once in his playoff career, this past weekend.
The problem with Rodgers is that he didn't earn the "doesn't play great in the playoffs" reputation based on his past history, but then goes out and drops 10 points and now everyone feels validated that he's always been like this. He came up small this past weekend but he's generally been pretty damn great in the playoffs and been let down by his defense more often than not.
As far as Brees vs. Rodgers, it's simply because Brees was never really in the GOAT discussion so his 1 ring feels "good enough". He was considered in the class of Peyton/Brady/Rodgers but he was never seriously taken as being better than Peyton/Brady whereas that discussion exists for Rodgers. Fair or unfair, Rodgers has been held to a higher standard.
It seems to me like being a player who was as good as it gets without being seriously considered a "GOAT" candidate creates a more positive and less controversial reputation than a player who is truly challenging for that "GOAT tier" status. This applies in many sports. Fans/Media feel defensive about their previous GOAT choice and nitpick everything about the upcoming challenger. Nobody shits on Phil Mickelson for his resume. Dirk Nowitzki is beloved. Andre Agassi was so damn popular. Albert Pujols has very few haters. Brees falls in that category.
He is one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL.
Off the field, he is one of the biggest douches around. Sometimes the way you conduct the yourself off the field will outweigh your performance on the field in the court of public opinion. Sometimes it's just as simple as that.
isn't far off from his per game production in the regular season. That's absurd considering the level of competition is at its peak in the post season. Should he have won more? Sure, I don't begrudge that opinion. There's probably a bunch of scenarios that he wishes he can get a re-do on. But its a team game and we saw that last weekend when 1 unit gave the game away completely. All they needed to do was the bare minimum and they would have won but instead it was a blunder.
And that's where the unquantifiable "luck" factor comes in. You either subscribe to the idea that luck plays a role or you don't. With the way the bounces go and heavy impact of officiating (see Raiders/Bengals), there's a lot that needs to go right along with performing your job well.
2 QB's stand out above the rest (Brady and Montana). The rest are a much accurate depiction of how the NFL works. Even take Elway, for example. He was a much better QB in the late 80's early 90's than he was when he won his titles, on the back of Terrell Davis I might add. He stunk in the 1st superbowl win too.
In the modern day NFL watching what Brady/Belichick have accomplished has skewed reality for many people.
RE: RE: Rodgers is unlikable and arrogant. They're both pretty much his
defining qualities. Brees is the opposite of both of those things.
Plus now he's made himself a political figure with his weird and cowardly deception followed by being unrepentantly anti vax. Brees never has nor would he put himself in that position.
Lastly, Rodgers has flopped a few more times in big spots, probably because he made it to those big spots more regularly.
Small correction, others made him into a political figure. I don't see him as such, the only ones who do are looking for a problem which echoes the current climate.
He doesn't like vaccines. I don't agree with him but that's his business.
He didn't talk about it like it was his business. That's what other folks who are unvaccinated did like Kirk Cousins. And then when his lie was exposed, he didn't just say, "I made a personal choice", he went on to say that the covid measures were draconian and wrong and that vaccines were ineffective. He injected himself into that regrettably political matter when he did that. If he had just said that he lied and made a personal choice that was best for him, he would have avoided all that. But he chose to take a stand.
Lastly, I got the impression listening to him talk that he's gonna for office some day. Just my gut feeling after listening to him. Could be wrong.
more than it is Rodgers preaching and making it political. And that isn't meant to be insulting, I just think the topic irks people differently and clouds viewpoints.
I find his stance on it to be pretty fascinating and more well thought out than a guy like Carson Wentz who "needs to do more research" which is a throwaway line that doesn't mean anything.
Purely from a football standpoint, I get it. As a person, I don't.
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
I don’t know anything about Rodgers the person other than that he’s been a model citizen, charitable, and is strange. There are so many scumbags in sports whose character is worth hating, and I wouldn’t put him anywhere near that class of person.
That's fair too. Maybe it's one of those things where he's the victim of high expectations.
We've also been spoiled by a seemingly decent bloke in Eli here in NY, seeing the franchise QBs elsewhere who don't have that level of character stands out a bit more.
His own family doesn't want to deal with him.
Did he choke against Dallas 2 years ago in the playoffs when he drove the offensive down the field in well under a minute to beat the Cowboys?
It's basically like saying Dan Marino was a choke artist.
How about unfulfilled greatness? As for Marino, he’s be unstoppable today.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
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Pretty simple.
His own family doesn't want to deal with him.
Ever think his family might suck? Rodgers is no doubt a strange guy, but whatever traits he picked up in life are almost certainly linked back to how he was raised. Dating back to the draft he's pretty much the same guy which means money and fame didn't change him.
I mean isn't his dad a weirdo from how he acts in public? Or is that someone else I'm thinking of?
Either way, there are two sides to every story.
Yeah. The whole family thing I don't see the big deal, at all. I don't care too much for anyone in my family and get along with other people great. Some people just don't get along with members of their family.
Just because someone is your parent, sibling or cousin; doesn't mean they can't be assholes.
Rodgers on the other hand might be the most talented QB to ever play the game. His arm talent and athleticism both set a new standard so it is surprising he only won the 1 SB.
Brees never won an MVP award (he finished 2nd 4x).
Rodgers won 3 (and may get #4 this year).
Wasn’t Saban overruled by MIA’s training staff and team docs, who were scared away by the shoulder? At least my recollection… could be wrong.
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of the Minneapolis miracle and the PI debacle against the Rams. Not to mention the loss at SF in 2011. He's had some pretty bad breaks in the playoffs.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
Most unfortunate playoff loss I think I've ever seen, from a neutral perspective.
Makes Craig's fumble seem like not such a big deal.
Maybe I loathe Seattle's fortunes more than anything. :D
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crap. It's really the dumbest statement being floated out there right now.
Did he choke against Dallas 2 years ago in the playoffs when he drove the offensive down the field in well under a minute to beat the Cowboys?
It's basically like saying Dan Marino was a choke artist.
How about unfulfilled greatness? As for Marino, he’s be unstoppable today.
Soo, unfulfilled greatness makes you a choke artist?
Can't compare Minneapolis miracle to 2011.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
Most unfortunate playoff loss I think I've ever seen, from a neutral perspective.
Makes Craig's fumble seem like not such a big deal.
Maybe I loathe Seattle's fortunes more than anything. :D
That was a crushing loss. That was during a time when Seattle and Wilson were out of their minds pulling rabbits out of hats to win games.
It was almost fitting, though, that they lost two weeks later to New England on the incredible interception by Butler. It's like the Football Gods said "enough is enough"...have a seat.
It all makes sense if you really think about it.
His otherworldly arm talent and physical ability is plenty in the regular season against decent to very good teams.
In the postseason in the modern day, it's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle that 2010 super bowl run, and had the defense as well.
But when things go south in the playoffs as they always do, he gives up easily.
Mentally, he's not super tough. I am the biggest Russell Wilson critic on the planet, but if Rodgers' had Wilson's mental toughness he'd have won a couple super bowls probably.
Garoppolo is even better than him in this instance. Plenty of QBs you could list. Brady is an absolute no brainer, and there are several others.
Rodgers' is just so damn talented, it's easy to ignore this stuff. Get wowed by that sick drive to end regulation against the Cards in 2015.....
But then last weekend, a fumble on the 2nd drive and immediately the guy gives up like he's down 21.
In the regular season, Rodgers gives you wins. But in the post, you need a team that can win in spite of him to some extent.
After a decade, something has to make sense of this. Were last year's Bucs really a better squad than all of last decade's Packers' teams?
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The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
Most unfortunate playoff loss I think I've ever seen, from a neutral perspective.
Makes Craig's fumble seem like not such a big deal.
Maybe I loathe Seattle's fortunes more than anything. :D
That was a crushing loss. That was during a time when Seattle and Wilson were out of their minds pulling rabbits out of hats to win games.
It was almost fitting, though, that they lost two weeks later to New England on the incredible interception by Butler. It's like the Football Gods said "enough is enough"...have a seat.
I absolutely couldn't agree with you more, well said.
How quickly people forget. Luckiest team I've ever seen.
Ask Matt Stafford about that goal line punch out of Calvin Johnson by Kam Chancellor the season after. Just surreal what they pulled off.
I don't understand why that not greatness deserving of the Hall of Fame
It all makes sense if you really think about it.
His otherworldly arm talent and physical ability is plenty in the regular season against decent to very good teams.
In the postseason in the modern day, it's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle that 2010 super bowl run, and had the defense as well.
But when things go south in the playoffs as they always do, he gives up easily.
Mentally, he's not super tough. I am the biggest Russell Wilson critic on the planet, but if Rodgers' had Wilson's mental toughness he'd have won a couple super bowls probably.
Garoppolo is even better than him in this instance. Plenty of QBs you could list. Brady is an absolute no brainer, and there are several others.
Rodgers' is just so damn talented, it's easy to ignore this stuff. Get wowed by that sick drive to end regulation against the Cards in 2015.....
But then last weekend, a fumble on the 2nd drive and immediately the guy gives up like he's down 21.
In the regular season, Rodgers gives you wins. But in the post, you need a team that can win in spite of him to some extent.
After a decade, something has to make sense of this. Were last year's Bucs really a better squad than all of last decade's Packers' teams?
There’s nothing factual about saying he isn’t mentally tough. The guy just took and entire offseason of shit from everyone with a Twitter account and a microphone, and put up an MVP season without camp. Mentally weak people can’t do that.
The better and more obvious reason is - he’s just like almost every other QB to ever play the game - winning super bowls is fucking hard and lots of breaks need to be in your favor.
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is what keeps Packers underachieving in big moments, IMO.
It all makes sense if you really think about it.
His otherworldly arm talent and physical ability is plenty in the regular season against decent to very good teams.
In the postseason in the modern day, it's not enough. He caught lightning in a bottle that 2010 super bowl run, and had the defense as well.
But when things go south in the playoffs as they always do, he gives up easily.
Mentally, he's not super tough. I am the biggest Russell Wilson critic on the planet, but if Rodgers' had Wilson's mental toughness he'd have won a couple super bowls probably.
Garoppolo is even better than him in this instance. Plenty of QBs you could list. Brady is an absolute no brainer, and there are several others.
Rodgers' is just so damn talented, it's easy to ignore this stuff. Get wowed by that sick drive to end regulation against the Cards in 2015.....
But then last weekend, a fumble on the 2nd drive and immediately the guy gives up like he's down 21.
In the regular season, Rodgers gives you wins. But in the post, you need a team that can win in spite of him to some extent.
After a decade, something has to make sense of this. Were last year's Bucs really a better squad than all of last decade's Packers' teams?
There’s nothing factual about saying he isn’t mentally tough. The guy just took and entire offseason of shit from everyone with a Twitter account and a microphone, and put up an MVP season without camp. Mentally weak people can’t do that.
The better and more obvious reason is - he’s just like almost every other QB to ever play the game - winning super bowls is fucking hard and lots of breaks need to be in your favor.
He's super tough off the field, almost too tough.
On the field, IMO could be tougher.
But agree, too much stock put into QBs being responsible for everything.
However, when you tell casual fans he's only won 1 SB, they all act shocked.
As far as Rodgers? He better than all but a handful to ever play the game. I don’t understand how that isn’t clear to anyone and everyone that’s a fan of the game. Weird dude. Always has been. Seems like a real stiff prick too. But he’s an all time great QB.
There’s nothing factual about saying he isn’t mentally tough. The guy just took and entire offseason of shit from everyone with a Twitter account and a microphone, and put up an MVP season without camp. Mentally weak people can’t do that.
The better and more obvious reason is - he’s just like almost every other QB to ever play the game - winning super bowls is fucking hard and lots of breaks need to be in your favor.
I agree and the Packers FO deserves some blame. They're overly stingy adding talent through FA (some ST help maybe?). And maybe an impact player taken with the Love pick would've made a difference.
There’s so much wrong with this take I don’t know where to begin. But let’s start with Brees losing 9 playoff games yet showed up for all of them?
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of the Minneapolis miracle and the PI debacle against the Rams. Not to mention the loss at SF in 2011. He's had some pretty bad breaks in the playoffs.
The onside kick miscue by Brandon Bostick in 2015 NFCC against Seattle wasn't a bad break for Rodgers and Green Bay??
I don’t disagree but Brees had some really brutal luck in a few playoff games. I don’t remember many outright stinkers or games where the saints got blown out.
Most fun player to watch in the league for me the last 15 years. I also enjoy all the reasons why he’s hated, they are fairly petty and funny.
He’s a toolbag, that’s your reason for hating him, seems reasonable.
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
(And I really, REALLY can't stand Aaron Rodgers.)
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
I don’t know anything about Rodgers the person other than that he’s been a model citizen, charitable, and is strange. There are so many scumbags in sports whose character is worth hating, and I wouldn’t put him anywhere near that class of person.
I was also on a flight with Flutie on a flight from Boston to San Diego. It was the weekend that he parted ways with the Chargers. He watched rock videos on his computer the whole flight (he's in a band).
(And I really, REALLY can't stand Aaron Rodgers.)
This is copout. Rodgers has disappointed in the playoffs wayyy too often to just blame the organization.
Plus now he's made himself a political figure with his weird and cowardly deception followed by being unrepentantly anti vax. Brees never has nor would he put himself in that position.
Lastly, Rodgers has flopped a few more times in big spots, probably because he made it to those big spots more regularly.
And as others noted, Brees is literally a saint off the field for his personality, community initiatives and being a loving father. Rodgers is more of a rebel bachelor, who dates celebrities and has been douchey towards teammates and the press. He sort of embraces being a bit of a villain.
Plus now he's made himself a political figure with his weird and cowardly deception followed by being unrepentantly anti vax. Brees never has nor would he put himself in that position.
Lastly, Rodgers has flopped a few more times in big spots, probably because he made it to those big spots more regularly.
Small correction, others made him into a political figure. I don't see him as such, the only ones who do are looking for a problem which echoes the current climate.
He doesn't like vaccines. I don't agree with him but that's his business.
The problem with Rodgers is that he didn't earn the "doesn't play great in the playoffs" reputation based on his past history, but then goes out and drops 10 points and now everyone feels validated that he's always been like this. He came up small this past weekend but he's generally been pretty damn great in the playoffs and been let down by his defense more often than not.
As far as Brees vs. Rodgers, it's simply because Brees was never really in the GOAT discussion so his 1 ring feels "good enough". He was considered in the class of Peyton/Brady/Rodgers but he was never seriously taken as being better than Peyton/Brady whereas that discussion exists for Rodgers. Fair or unfair, Rodgers has been held to a higher standard.
It seems to me like being a player who was as good as it gets without being seriously considered a "GOAT" candidate creates a more positive and less controversial reputation than a player who is truly challenging for that "GOAT tier" status. This applies in many sports. Fans/Media feel defensive about their previous GOAT choice and nitpick everything about the upcoming challenger. Nobody shits on Phil Mickelson for his resume. Dirk Nowitzki is beloved. Andre Agassi was so damn popular. Albert Pujols has very few haters. Brees falls in that category.
Off the field, he is one of the biggest douches around. Sometimes the way you conduct the yourself off the field will outweigh your performance on the field in the court of public opinion. Sometimes it's just as simple as that.
And that's where the unquantifiable "luck" factor comes in. You either subscribe to the idea that luck plays a role or you don't. With the way the bounces go and heavy impact of officiating (see Raiders/Bengals), there's a lot that needs to go right along with performing your job well.
Interesting. Often the case too w/ public personalities. I have no trouble believing this.
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crap. It's really the dumbest statement being floated out there right now.
Did he choke against Dallas 2 years ago in the playoffs when he drove the offensive down the field in well under a minute to beat the Cowboys?
It's basically like saying Dan Marino was a choke artist.
How about unfulfilled greatness? As for Marino, he’s be unstoppable today.
In the modern day NFL watching what Brady/Belichick have accomplished has skewed reality for many people.
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defining qualities. Brees is the opposite of both of those things.
Plus now he's made himself a political figure with his weird and cowardly deception followed by being unrepentantly anti vax. Brees never has nor would he put himself in that position.
Lastly, Rodgers has flopped a few more times in big spots, probably because he made it to those big spots more regularly.
Small correction, others made him into a political figure. I don't see him as such, the only ones who do are looking for a problem which echoes the current climate.
He doesn't like vaccines. I don't agree with him but that's his business.
He didn't talk about it like it was his business. That's what other folks who are unvaccinated did like Kirk Cousins. And then when his lie was exposed, he didn't just say, "I made a personal choice", he went on to say that the covid measures were draconian and wrong and that vaccines were ineffective. He injected himself into that regrettably political matter when he did that. If he had just said that he lied and made a personal choice that was best for him, he would have avoided all that. But he chose to take a stand.
Lastly, I got the impression listening to him talk that he's gonna for office some day. Just my gut feeling after listening to him. Could be wrong.
I find his stance on it to be pretty fascinating and more well thought out than a guy like Carson Wentz who "needs to do more research" which is a throwaway line that doesn't mean anything.
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Purely from a football standpoint, I get it. As a person, I don't.
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
I don’t know anything about Rodgers the person other than that he’s been a model citizen, charitable, and is strange. There are so many scumbags in sports whose character is worth hating, and I wouldn’t put him anywhere near that class of person.
That's fair too. Maybe it's one of those things where he's the victim of high expectations.
We've also been spoiled by a seemingly decent bloke in Eli here in NY, seeing the franchise QBs elsewhere who don't have that level of character stands out a bit more.
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