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| Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN NEW: Sources say members of the Giants organization have contacted multiple members of the Miami Dolphins’ support staff and assistant coaches to do due diligence on Brian Flores as the coaching search heats up. And they’ve received encouraging and glowing reviews in return. |
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| Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN Giants aren’t shy about acknowledging their meaningful work on Flores. They make calls on all candidates, but this homework on Flores’ time & end in Miami reflects a specifically thorough process on him, reinforces NYG’s serious interest, and indicates the feedback is positive. |
It does kind of feel that way. If Flores was the guy, where is the urgency?
Never considered this - interesting.
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I feel like all this pro Flores stuff is coming directly from Flores’ camp. Not that the Giants aren’t interested but there seems to be a lot of this fluffing up to make Flores seem like the best candidate.
It does kind of feel that way. If Flores was the guy, where is the urgency?
When he was first let go and their fans were livid, it seemed as though Miami's FO/ownership were feeding negative story after negative story to their beat. So it's no surprise that Flores's camp is in full spin mode.
I tend to agree and I really want Flores.
He reported that the Giants had put in a request to interview the Cowboys secondary coach for the DC role which other reporters later shot down as being inaccurate. He likes to make stuff up to stir the pot.
If Flores was the guy, he'd have been in at the top of the line with no playoff obligations to work around.
Flores' camp is using IOC (and now Giants' beats in general) to keep him relevant.
Can't wait to see how many of the pro-Flores posters on this thread call Leonard out as a hack the very next chance they get.
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I think this is all theater. I think Daboll is our coach by noon Friday.
I tend to agree and I really want Flores.
Same.
This is a good point, but ultimately, if they thought anything of him at all, he'd still be coaching there, especially since he had a winning record last year.
Seems like Schoen/Daboll was a done deal when the process first started.
The interview is finding out if he is the best candidate to win a championship with.
Don’t discount him growing up a Giants fan. We have had pretty good luck with those and they represent 4 SB’s. The one who got away won two of his own along with 5 NFL Championships. One thing for Judge saying what the area deserves against someone who lived it coming out of a very tough neighborhood. Some say all the Mara positive stuff was presenting a narrative. I’m not so sure. TBD
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I think this is all theater. I think Daboll is our coach by noon Friday.
Seems like Schoen/Daboll was a done deal when the process first started.
It was a package deal the momentt Schoen was hired.
They had the easiest schedule in the entire league this year. Take a look at their wins. They beat the Patriots twice which were good wins, but the rest of their wins were against the NFL's worst teams.
He also goes through way too many offensive coordinators.
I dont think he's an awful coach, but since being fired by the Dolphins he has somehow turned into a much better coach than he actually was in Miami according to the public.
Unless a no brainer defensive guy is available like a Mike Tomlin or someone like that, I would much rather hire an offensive guy as head coach. All 4 teams left in the playoffs are offensive guys. All 4 call plays.
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Miami may want Daboll as HC, so of course they’d prop up Flores to NYG.
This is a good point, but ultimately, if they thought anything of him at all, he'd still be coaching there, especially since he had a winning record last year.
If Miami wanted Brian Daboll as HC (who is currently OC in Buffalo, but was previously the OC for Tua in college), they might engineer some shenanigans.
Brian Flores was the HC there the past three years. He'd be the coach they could strategize against. Not the one they might want.
They had the easiest schedule in the entire league this year. Take a look at their wins. They beat the Patriots twice which were good wins, but the rest of their wins were against the NFL's worst teams.
He also goes through way too many offensive coordinators.
I dont think he's an awful coach, but since being fired by the Dolphins he has somehow turned into a much better coach than he actually was in Miami according to the public.
Unless a no brainer defensive guy is available like a Mike Tomlin or someone like that, I would much rather hire an offensive guy as head coach. All 4 teams left in the playoffs are offensive guys. All 4 call plays.
Ummm… the Dolphins roster isn’t particularly good either. When they played the Giants, were you impressed by any of their offensive players outside of Waddle and maybe the TE? I wasn’t and their defense isn’t exactly filled with All-Pros. It takes heavy lifting to get a team like that in the win column regardless of who they’re playing.
The Dolphins won 19 games the past 2 seasons. That’s the franchise’s most victories over a 2 year period since 02-03. Flores can coach. People can feel free to say they prefer someone else, but stop acting like this guy didn’t do a helluva job with a noodle arm QB and a roster that’s probably one of the 4 worst in the AFC.
Still not sure what to think of Flores but I don’t like that departure...
This.
Personally, I think Tua does as much as he can given his physical limitations. Flores would be right to push for a better QB.
Regarding not communicating with coaching staff, it may have been that Flores decided to do less micromanaging and let the coaches do what they were hired to do. It seemed to work.
Good to hear you say that. I want Flores as well, not another first-time HC. But if it really is up to Schoen he'll pick Daboll.
ITA. This focus by many on BBI over “offensive guy” and “defensive guy” is ignoring the most important factor for a franchise like this… a guy who’s proven he can do the job well. Flores has done that with a roster that needed to be completely rebuilt, similar to this situation.
Agreed.
I don’t see it happening though.
I’d be fine with Flores. To me, it’s Daboll or Flores.
I have said Flores also, but needing an OC and Flores' explanation of his Miami dismissal are just 2 of the issues. The whole "GM and HC need to be in lockstep" quote from Schoen is against him as well since they dont know each other. And there are a bunch of good DC candidates but not any veteran OC candidates right now
Can Flores convince Schoen that he can do a 2007 Coughlin and change his ways with the players, coaches, and front office people? And who would be the OC? O'Brien's name was floated and shot down by the masses. Can the Giants sell another NE guy as the next HC?
Brian Flores has targeted Darrell Bevell as his OC of choice for his next HC opportunity. Bevell held the same role for Jacksonville in 2021 before being named their interim HC.
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Flores is the guy
I have said Flores also, but needing an OC and Flores' explanation of his Miami dismissal are just 2 of the issues. The whole "GM and HC need to be in lockstep" quote from Schoen is against him as well since they dont know each other. And there are a bunch of good DC candidates but not any veteran OC candidates right now
Can Flores convince Schoen that he can do a 2007 Coughlin and change his ways with the players, coaches, and front office people? And who would be the OC? O'Brien's name was floated and shot down by the masses. Can the Giants sell another NE guy as the next HC?
Have you (or has anyone else) heard/read that Dolphis players had an issue with Flores? Or for that matter... that Coughlin had problems in 2007 with the front office?
Everything I've read about Flores is that his players loved playing for him. His issue was that he had a poor relationship with managment (GM and ownership).
I think most of us believe at this point that it will be Daboll anyway, but if Flores really is being considered, I think it will only be after a thorough investigatgion of his time in Miami.
Brian Flores has targeted Darrell Bevell as his OC of choice for his next HC opportunity. Bevell held the same role for Jacksonville in 2021 before being named their interim HC.
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Wasnt Bevell the guy who called the pass that the Pats intercepted instead of running Marshawn Lynch at the goal line to lose the Super Bowl for Seattle? And Jax's offense looked flat out brutal this season
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Flores is the guy
I have said Flores also, but needing an OC and Flores' explanation of his Miami dismissal are just 2 of the issues. The whole "GM and HC need to be in lockstep" quote from Schoen is against him as well since they dont know each other. And there are a bunch of good DC candidates but not any veteran OC candidates right now
Can Flores convince Schoen that he can do a 2007 Coughlin and change his ways with the players, coaches, and front office people? And who would be the OC? O'Brien's name was floated and shot down by the masses. Can the Giants sell another NE guy as the next HC?
Have you (or has anyone else) heard/read that Dolphis players had an issue with Flores? Or for that matter... that Coughlin had problems in 2007 with the front office?
Everything I've read about Flores is that his players loved playing for him. His issue was that he had a poor relationship with managment (GM and ownership).
I think most of us believe at this point that it will be Daboll anyway, but if Flores really is being considered, I think it will only be after a thorough investigatgion of his time in Miami.
Yes, Flores has had issues with players (Minkah Fitzpatrick for one, and it has been written he is hard on players and coaches). RE: Coughlin - I was being more general because Flores had problems with office staff
But this may also be put out by the Giants so that if they interview Flores on Thursday and then hire Daboll on Friday it will not look like Flores was a perfunctory interview, but a serious candidate who they vetted diligently.
He’s doing his job..He’s worked closely with Daboll for several years. Of course he knows whether Daboll is capable or not. Whether it proves out, no one knows. He may be a Daboll guy, but he seems to be open to any and all potential candidates, even if, for now, he leans towards BD..
Personally, as a fan, I want Flores, but it’s not my call
Would one of you pro-Flores people please explain how the next Lombardi came out of the gate 1-7 this year?
Seems to me the Dolphins concluded that the team underachieved
Would one of you pro-Flores people please explain how the next Lombardi came out of the gate 1-7 this year?
Seems to me the Dolphins concluded that the team underachieved
Gene, it’s ok not to like Flores for the reasons you have opined. But if I was a betting man (I’m not), I would GUESS that it was more about that idiot Stephen Ross than Flores. And Tua? Flores has the perfect right to not care for his skillset, as to date, he’s nothing special, just like the majority here want Jones gone..
Would one of you pro-Flores people please explain how the next Lombardi came out of the gate 1-7 this year?
Seems to me the Dolphins concluded that the team underachieved
So now the 2021 Dolphins were “The Greatest Show on Turf” Rams?
I don’t think the Dolphins were good (that’s a bottom third AFC roster talent-wise), which makes his record over the past two seasons particularly impressive. But ultimately, he doesn’t have to be the next Lombardi when being compared to someone who’s never done the job before. Some people are comfortable with that risk. I’m not. I’m tired of inexperienced head coaches. The Giants have a chance to hire a young man who’s proven he can do this job WELL and without the inevitable growing pains.
Brian Flores has targeted Darrell Bevell as his OC of choice for his next HC opportunity. Bevell held the same role for Jacksonville in 2021 before being named their interim HC.
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OH GOD NO.
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and then Flores pitched the usual Lil Bill former coordinator snit over something he didn't like.
Would one of you pro-Flores people please explain how the next Lombardi came out of the gate 1-7 this year?
Seems to me the Dolphins concluded that the team underachieved
So now the 2021 Dolphins were “The Greatest Show on Turf” Rams?
I don’t think the Dolphins were good (that’s a bottom third AFC roster talent-wise), which makes his record over the past two seasons particularly impressive. But ultimately, he doesn’t have to be the next Lombardi when being compared to someone who’s never done the job before. Some people are comfortable with that risk. I’m not. I’m tired of inexperienced head coaches. The Giants have a chance to hire a young man who’s proven he can do this job WELL and without the inevitable growing pains.
Shock ... well said. We just went thru 3 1st time coaches without success. It’s time to go a different route. Flores did a great job fixing the mess in Miami. Plus he’s from Brooklyn ... if he can pony up a good OC, then he’s the man ... and we’d also find out for sure what he thinks of PG as a DC.
Personally, I love this guy and he is definitely who I want coaching this team.
He’s doing his job..He’s worked closely with Daboll for several years. Of course he knows whether Daboll is capable or not. Whether it proves out, no one knows. He may be a Daboll guy, but he seems to be open to any and all potential candidates, even if, for now, he leans towards BD..
Personally, as a fan, I want Flores, but it’s not my call
BB, I’ve been saying the same thing. Why does it have to be a conspiracy? I too believe he’s doing his job as Mara said he would be able to do. Let’s see how it plays out.