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Big takeaway: Ownership and Joe Schoen are believers in Daniel Jones. Schoen said they plan to build the offense around Jones. Mara said, “We’ve done everything possible to screw this kid up.”
sounds like he's at least initially of the opinion that the OL is the main reason Jones and Barkley haven't been successful recently. Many people here don't agree, but it's not a surprising conclusion.
The most likely scenario was also always that both would be here for 2022, especially given our severe cap limitations. Nothing is guaranteed after that.
Fixing the OL has to be our highest priority. DG failed to do so. Let's seen is Schoen can.
I actually agree. The stats when Jones has time over when he doesn't is huge. Barkley is a RB that needs a hole to be successful. This OL is horrible save AT. Injuries really hurt us with starters Lemeaux and Gates going down for the year, but that doesn't explain why after all this time we have an issue still at RG and RT.
Jones ranked 34th (52%) on On Target Throws from a clean pocket. So where are these stats that show he’s good when he has time?
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Important to note that Schoen didn’t comment when asked if he planned to pick up Jones’ fifth-year option. Actions will speak louder than words there.
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How does Joe Schoen plan to fix the offensive line? "You have to get better players. I mean, that's the best way to fix it... We have to look wherever we can." He notes the limits in FA based on cap. "We can all talk about what the problems are, our job is to find solutions."
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Important to note that Schoen didn’t comment when asked if he planned to pick up Jones’ fifth-year option. Actions will speak louder than words there.
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How does Joe Schoen plan to fix the offensive line? "You have to get better players. I mean, that's the best way to fix it... We have to look wherever we can." He notes the limits in FA based on cap. "We can all talk about what the problems are, our job is to find solutions."
of the New York Football Giants just said they are sticking with Daniel Jones.
We're just going to have to accept it.
At this point, I don't have a problem with that. The team needs to address the issues in the trenches this off-season, it a poor QB class coming into the draft, and the 2022 salary cap is not good. I would like to see them cleanup the trenches, see how DJ performs next, and then make the call on his future with the team.
and keeping Graham as DC. That would be disappointing. Shoen had his guy from the start and Mara forced Graham. I dont like either coach
Meh, Daboll is a good candidate and already has a working relationship with Graham. And Graham did a lot with basically bottom barrel pass rush this season. Get him more and better pass rushers.
Anyway no one knows what the staff will look like yet. I really like Flores, he is the guy I want but I won't be sad if it's Daboll. And I certainly don't hate Graham. Let it play out. And then complain... lol
sounds like he's at least initially of the opinion that the OL is the main reason Jones and Barkley haven't been successful recently. Many people here don't agree, but it's not a surprising conclusion.
The most likely scenario was also always that both would be here for 2022, especially given our severe cap limitations. Nothing is guaranteed after that.
Fixing the OL has to be our highest priority. DG failed to do so. Let's seen is Schoen can.
I actually agree. The stats when Jones has time over when he doesn't is huge. Barkley is a RB that needs a hole to be successful. This OL is horrible save AT. Injuries really hurt us with starters Lemeaux and Gates going down for the year, but that doesn't explain why after all this time we have an issue still at RG and RT.
Jones ranked 34th (52%) on On Target Throws from a clean pocket. So where are these stats that show he’s good when he has time?
Parcells and Fox. Two defensive guys. Then his mentor going with a D HC.
Liked how he said he still talks with Parcells. I hope Parcells told him, "I hope you learned that you have to be able to run between the tackles come playoff time to keep advancing". Also nice that both Fox and Parcells spoke very highly of the Giants as a organization.
Pretty incredible day for him. Fan at 4 years old and here you are tasked with returning a franchise to glory you grew up admiring.
sounds like he's at least initially of the opinion that the OL is the main reason Jones and Barkley haven't been successful recently. Many people here don't agree, but it's not a surprising conclusion.
The most likely scenario was also always that both would be here for 2022, especially given our severe cap limitations. Nothing is guaranteed after that.
Fixing the OL has to be our highest priority. DG failed to do so. Let's seen is Schoen can.
I actually agree. The stats when Jones has time over when he doesn't is huge. Barkley is a RB that needs a hole to be successful. This OL is horrible save AT. Injuries really hurt us with starters Lemeaux and Gates going down for the year, but that doesn't explain why after all this time we have an issue still at RG and RT.
Jones ranked 34th (52%) on On Target Throws from a clean pocket. So where are these stats that show he’s good when he has time?
What else are they going to say? Picking up his option or not and who they draft/sign will tell us more. If they don't publicly endorse Jones, they lose leverage in any trades
I hope Parcells told him, "I hope you learned that you have to be able to run between the tackles come playoff time to keep advancing". Also nice that both Fox and Parcells spoke very highly of the Giants as a organization.
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Is this true though? San Frans best running game is sweeps to the outside with Deebo. Bengals have ran the ball well either game. The Rams running game is mostly outside and secondary to their passing game. And the Chiefs are the Chiefs.
you guys would be happy from that presser, would he of Schoen was dressed like John Belushi at the end of “Animal House”, climbed up on top of the Quest Diagnostic ctr, brandishing his sword saying “no prisoners, John Mara, he’s a dead man, Chris Mara- dead , Tisch - dead, Jones -« .
Would that make everyone happy?
I like Jones... I guess I might be the only one left. I think what he has done with such a bad OL and so much injuries to his main weapons Shepard, Barkley, Golladay, Toney, etc not to mention how many drops and Ints off Engrams hands he has had. He has put us in position to win games and he doesn't get help from his receivers. You watch Joe Burrow and he just throws up into tight coverage and Chase and Higgins come down with it.
Don't take this the wrong way, or do, I guess.
If that's what you think is the only difference between Daniel Jones and Joe Burrow, you don't have a goddamn clue what you're talking about.
I noticed you shortened my quote and left off where I said on Cincy he wouldn't be as good as Burrow, but alas you read what you want.
You know what, you're right. I didn't read your full comment, and apologize for how I replied.
I still disagree with your general outlook on Jones, but shouldn't have answered in that way.
you guys would be happy from that presser, would he of Schoen was dressed like John Belushi at the end of “Animal House”, climbed up on top of the Quest Diagnostic ctr, brandishing his sword saying “no prisoners, John Mara, he’s a dead man, Chris Mara- dead , Tisch - dead, Jones -« .
Would that make everyone happy?
you guys would be happy from that presser, would he of Schoen was dressed like John Belushi at the end of “Animal House”, climbed up on top of the Quest Diagnostic ctr, brandishing his sword saying “no prisoners, John Mara, he’s a dead man, Chris Mara- dead , Tisch - dead, Jones -« .
Would that make everyone happy?
No. That's sounds stupid.
The idiocy on this site has gotten completely out of hand.
is plausible and logical. From an outsider looking in, Jones showed promise as a rookie, and Garrett’s pathetic offense did him NO favors the last two years. They will build an offense around what Jones does well and see how he does with it. If you’re stuck with him him this year, it’s the right answer and approach.
or "the cap isn't that bad" (and there are a couple here who feel that way), Schoen clearly doesn't agree with that mindset as he said multiple times in this PC that the cap is a mess. He clearly very much believes that, and he's right.
is plausible and logical. From an outsider looking in, Jones showed promise as a rookie, and Garrett’s pathetic offense did him NO favors the last two years. They will build an offense around what Jones does well and see how he does with it. If you’re stuck with him him this year, it’s the right answer and approach.
but what about the fifth year?
If Schoen picks up the 5th year option i'm out on Schoen.
and keeping Graham as DC. That would be disappointing. Shoen had his guy from the start and Mara forced Graham. I dont like either coach
Schoen having his guy is not a problem for me. It proves it is his pick and not Mara, and that he has a vision and a plan. I personally would prefer a re-tread, because i think the org and fan base is fragile and impatient, but if that's his guy, that's his guy.
I'm sure we will have plenty of time for the "mara forced Graham" narrative if it happens. But, if Daboll is the coach, he is a Belichick guy, and he overlapped with PG for several years in NE. Infact I believe BD was TE coach and PG was LB coach. So they interacted quite a bit.
Also, If we can get Fangio...HELL YES. Is Wink a possibility? Is that an upgrade or a philosophical match? If not the PG is in the same level as the rest. A demonstrated good DC, with room to improve.
Is they’ll improve the line and Jones rookie year turnover issues resurface, proving that Garrett and Judge reigned in the offense to limit the turnovers
And out of desperation, they have put their faith in the next man up. We saw this with Judge. Everyone wanted to believe he would be the rational guy in the room that would fix the problem. We even saw many who argued that it was Judge who was really running things.
Now Schoen is up. The faith is now on this man. Some people have placed unquestioned faith in him despite the fact that he hasn't earned it yet.
But when something gets said or hinted at the disrupts from the narrative, people are lashing out at each other.
For example, a fan may have unquestioned faith in Schoen and that Mara is no longer interfering. That same fan may be convinced that Daniel Jones sucks. So when the owner and new GM come out and defend Jones, they can't accept that or make excuses for it.
Have they committed 100 percent to Jones? Who knows. As posted, much depends on whether they accept the 5th-year option. But the Giants have never been good at smoke and pretty much wear their hearts on the sleeves. What I heard today is that Daniel Jones is getting another season.
but I don't know how anyone can get worked up either way. This is all going to play out shortly.
I would argue that even bigger than the Schoen hire is going to be the head coach. Joe Judge overwhelmingly won his introduction day and look where that got us. We can't keep hiring bad coaches, especially if you believe (I do) that the Head Coach is the true power player in the NFL.
I do think I may have heard a slip from Schoen that perhaps they have their coach (Daboll) in place already and they're pretty certain of that. I want them to take their time. There's no reason we have to name someone by Friday. I would liked to have seen them talk to Ryans. Maybe they should talk to Pederson?
I haven't read any comments on BBI by anyone that thinks Jones isn't going to be here next season. No one is predicting this (injury aside).
He will be on the roster because he's affordable. It doesn't matter what they say about Jones. If they pick up the option, they like him. If they don't, that's what they think about Jones.
I haven't read any comments on BBI by anyone that thinks Jones isn't going to be here next season. No one is predicting this (injury aside).
He will be on the roster because he's affordable. It doesn't matter what they say about Jones. If they pick up the option, they like him. If they don't, that's what they think about Jones.
A lot of fans are convinced that Jones won't be on the roster next year.
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
The stats are from when he actually has time. What are the adverse impacts on of the line on those stats?
Is they’ll improve the line and Jones rookie year turnover issues resurface, proving that Garrett and Judge reigned in the offense to limit the turnovers
I think that makes for an extremely simple and non controversial decision to move on.
There are posters here that would have faith in anything, no matter how absurd.
The last few years have helped to filter which posters are interesting and which are superfans.
It's weird.
Not only do the Giants have one of the worst W-L records over a span of a number of years, but they have become jokes. We're basically filling up the highlight reels for other teams. We get crushed by other bad teams. The last HC had two press conferences with 10+ minute answers to one question. The PR department is fighting with ex-scouts on Twitter. We ran a new QB sneak offense in the 2nd quarter of game still in doubt. Most importantly, the team has now fired two GMs and 4 HCs in the last few seasons.
But then some wonder why there is so much negativity?
Thought he did well in his first presser. Heard alot of GM speak but liked the points on using data analytics and developing a team through the draft and "retaining players" (multiple times).
I wonder what his views on moving up or down in the draft are? No one asked that. What has he done in the past?
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
The stats are from when he actually has time. What are the adverse impacts on of the line on those stats?
OMG dude. You saw the part about scheme and coaching yes? I think he was better in a scheme like Shurmur's and with a better OL and system he can hang. So WHAT! Let it go man. You don't have to always argue with someone who has a different opinion. And I won't cry if we move on from Jones. I'd just rather he ends up being the guy. If not, so what? Root for the next guy up.
There are posters here that would have faith in anything, no matter how absurd.
The last few years have helped to filter which posters are interesting and which are superfans.
It's weird.
Not only do the Giants have one of the worst W-L records over a span of a number of years, but they have become jokes. We're basically filling up the highlight reels for other teams. We get crushed by other bad teams. The last HC had two press conferences with 10+ minute answers to one question. The PR department is fighting with ex-scouts on Twitter. We ran a new QB sneak offense in the 2nd quarter of game still in doubt. Most importantly, the team has now fired two GMs and 4 HCs in the last few seasons.
But then some wonder why there is so much negativity?
Weird.
There are some people that can watch a plane fly into a mountain at 500 MPH and still convince themselves everyone onboard is ok.
I've been called negative and miserable on here for years - I've never understood it considering I was just saying the sky is blue.
There are posters here that would have faith in anything, no matter how absurd.
The last few years have helped to filter which posters are interesting and which are superfans.
It's weird.
Not only do the Giants have one of the worst W-L records over a span of a number of years, but they have become jokes. We're basically filling up the highlight reels for other teams. We get crushed by other bad teams. The last HC had two press conferences with 10+ minute answers to one question. The PR department is fighting with ex-scouts on Twitter. We ran a new QB sneak offense in the 2nd quarter of game still in doubt. Most importantly, the team has now fired two GMs and 4 HCs in the last few seasons.
But then some wonder why there is so much negativity?
Weird.
There's a ton of negativity that is warranted.
Then there's negativity regardless.
I'm looking forward and not harping on the past - while also hopeful past mistakes are repeated.
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
The stats are from when he actually has time. What are the adverse impacts on of the line on those stats?
OMG dude. You saw the part about scheme and coaching yes? I think he was better in a scheme like Shurmur's and with a better OL and system he can hang. So WHAT! Let it go man. You don't have to always argue with someone who has a different opinion. And I won't cry if we move on from Jones. I'd just rather he ends up being the guy. If not, so what? Root for the next guy up.
Those stats don’t anything to do with scheme, they’re about accuracy. Not whether the throw was caught or not. But whether it was within a like three foot radius of the intended target.
You replied to a comment that wasn’t addressing you with “lol, see” and are telling someone else they don’t have to argue. Weird stuff.
We all pretty much assumed unless there was a can't miss QB pool in draft this year, we weren't getting a QB.
2023 is the tell-tale year.
If they put chips in on Jones and Barkley going forward in 2023 (no guarantee they do) and it doesn't work out, it'll be bad for everyone (including Schoen).
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Big takeaway: Ownership and Joe Schoen are believers in Daniel Jones. Schoen said they plan to build the offense around Jones. Mara said, “We’ve done everything possible to screw this kid up.”
Ruh roh
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sounds like he's at least initially of the opinion that the OL is the main reason Jones and Barkley haven't been successful recently. Many people here don't agree, but it's not a surprising conclusion.
The most likely scenario was also always that both would be here for 2022, especially given our severe cap limitations. Nothing is guaranteed after that.
Fixing the OL has to be our highest priority. DG failed to do so. Let's seen is Schoen can.
I actually agree. The stats when Jones has time over when he doesn't is huge. Barkley is a RB that needs a hole to be successful. This OL is horrible save AT. Injuries really hurt us with starters Lemeaux and Gates going down for the year, but that doesn't explain why after all this time we have an issue still at RG and RT.
Jones ranked 34th (52%) on On Target Throws from a clean pocket. So where are these stats that show he’s good when he has time?
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Important to note that Schoen didn’t comment when asked if he planned to pick up Jones’ fifth-year option. Actions will speak louder than words there.
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How does Joe Schoen plan to fix the offensive line? "You have to get better players. I mean, that's the best way to fix it... We have to look wherever we can." He notes the limits in FA based on cap. "We can all talk about what the problems are, our job is to find solutions."
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Important to note that Schoen didn’t comment when asked if he planned to pick up Jones’ fifth-year option. Actions will speak louder than words there.
This is the key.
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Mara acknowledged that they’ve done everything possible to screw up Daniel Jones.
That is a nice shot at the great architect Dave Gettleman...
Probably even more of a shot at himself.
He probably has thought about taking a bullet over the last few years...
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How does Joe Schoen plan to fix the offensive line? "You have to get better players. I mean, that's the best way to fix it... We have to look wherever we can." He notes the limits in FA based on cap. "We can all talk about what the problems are, our job is to find solutions."
Bye bye Will and Nate.
We're just going to have to accept it.
Meh, Daboll is a good candidate and already has a working relationship with Graham. And Graham did a lot with basically bottom barrel pass rush this season. Get him more and better pass rushers.
Anyway no one knows what the staff will look like yet. I really like Flores, he is the guy I want but I won't be sad if it's Daboll. And I certainly don't hate Graham. Let it play out. And then complain... lol
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sounds like he's at least initially of the opinion that the OL is the main reason Jones and Barkley haven't been successful recently. Many people here don't agree, but it's not a surprising conclusion.
The most likely scenario was also always that both would be here for 2022, especially given our severe cap limitations. Nothing is guaranteed after that.
Fixing the OL has to be our highest priority. DG failed to do so. Let's seen is Schoen can.
I actually agree. The stats when Jones has time over when he doesn't is huge. Barkley is a RB that needs a hole to be successful. This OL is horrible save AT. Injuries really hurt us with starters Lemeaux and Gates going down for the year, but that doesn't explain why after all this time we have an issue still at RG and RT.
Jones ranked 34th (52%) on On Target Throws from a clean pocket. So where are these stats that show he’s good when he has time?
Well Amtoft. I warned Ye.
lol
Liked how he said he still talks with Parcells. I hope Parcells told him, "I hope you learned that you have to be able to run between the tackles come playoff time to keep advancing". Also nice that both Fox and Parcells spoke very highly of the Giants as a organization.
Pretty incredible day for him. Fan at 4 years old and here you are tasked with returning a franchise to glory you grew up admiring.
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sounds like he's at least initially of the opinion that the OL is the main reason Jones and Barkley haven't been successful recently. Many people here don't agree, but it's not a surprising conclusion.
The most likely scenario was also always that both would be here for 2022, especially given our severe cap limitations. Nothing is guaranteed after that.
Fixing the OL has to be our highest priority. DG failed to do so. Let's seen is Schoen can.
I actually agree. The stats when Jones has time over when he doesn't is huge. Barkley is a RB that needs a hole to be successful. This OL is horrible save AT. Injuries really hurt us with starters Lemeaux and Gates going down for the year, but that doesn't explain why after all this time we have an issue still at RG and RT.
Jones ranked 34th (52%) on On Target Throws from a clean pocket. So where are these stats that show he’s good when he has time?
Well Amtoft. I warned Ye.
lol
Sorry stats bother you.
Is this true though? San Frans best running game is sweeps to the outside with Deebo. Bengals have ran the ball well either game. The Rams running game is mostly outside and secondary to their passing game. And the Chiefs are the Chiefs.
Would that make everyone happy?
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I like Jones... I guess I might be the only one left. I think what he has done with such a bad OL and so much injuries to his main weapons Shepard, Barkley, Golladay, Toney, etc not to mention how many drops and Ints off Engrams hands he has had. He has put us in position to win games and he doesn't get help from his receivers. You watch Joe Burrow and he just throws up into tight coverage and Chase and Higgins come down with it.
Don't take this the wrong way, or do, I guess.
If that's what you think is the only difference between Daniel Jones and Joe Burrow, you don't have a goddamn clue what you're talking about.
I noticed you shortened my quote and left off where I said on Cincy he wouldn't be as good as Burrow, but alas you read what you want.
You know what, you're right. I didn't read your full comment, and apologize for how I replied.
I still disagree with your general outlook on Jones, but shouldn't have answered in that way.
Would that make everyone happy?
No. That's sounds stupid.
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you guys would be happy from that presser, would he of Schoen was dressed like John Belushi at the end of “Animal House”, climbed up on top of the Quest Diagnostic ctr, brandishing his sword saying “no prisoners, John Mara, he’s a dead man, Chris Mara- dead , Tisch - dead, Jones -« .
Would that make everyone happy?
No. That's sounds stupid.
The idiocy on this site has gotten completely out of hand.
but what about the fifth year?
If Schoen picks up the 5th year option i'm out on Schoen.
Schoen having his guy is not a problem for me. It proves it is his pick and not Mara, and that he has a vision and a plan. I personally would prefer a re-tread, because i think the org and fan base is fragile and impatient, but if that's his guy, that's his guy.
I'm sure we will have plenty of time for the "mara forced Graham" narrative if it happens. But, if Daboll is the coach, he is a Belichick guy, and he overlapped with PG for several years in NE. Infact I believe BD was TE coach and PG was LB coach. So they interacted quite a bit.
Also, If we can get Fangio...HELL YES. Is Wink a possibility? Is that an upgrade or a philosophical match? If not the PG is in the same level as the rest. A demonstrated good DC, with room to improve.
And out of desperation, they have put their faith in the next man up. We saw this with Judge. Everyone wanted to believe he would be the rational guy in the room that would fix the problem. We even saw many who argued that it was Judge who was really running things.
Now Schoen is up. The faith is now on this man. Some people have placed unquestioned faith in him despite the fact that he hasn't earned it yet.
But when something gets said or hinted at the disrupts from the narrative, people are lashing out at each other.
For example, a fan may have unquestioned faith in Schoen and that Mara is no longer interfering. That same fan may be convinced that Daniel Jones sucks. So when the owner and new GM come out and defend Jones, they can't accept that or make excuses for it.
Have they committed 100 percent to Jones? Who knows. As posted, much depends on whether they accept the 5th-year option. But the Giants have never been good at smoke and pretty much wear their hearts on the sleeves. What I heard today is that Daniel Jones is getting another season.
I would argue that even bigger than the Schoen hire is going to be the head coach. Joe Judge overwhelmingly won his introduction day and look where that got us. We can't keep hiring bad coaches, especially if you believe (I do) that the Head Coach is the true power player in the NFL.
I do think I may have heard a slip from Schoen that perhaps they have their coach (Daboll) in place already and they're pretty certain of that. I want them to take their time. There's no reason we have to name someone by Friday. I would liked to have seen them talk to Ryans. Maybe they should talk to Pederson?
We can't screw up the head coach again.
Let's see what happens with the front office and scouts after the draft, and let's see what they do with Jones.
If they pick up Jones's option and/or extend him, that is a disaster. I can't imagine that happens though.
Exactly. Folks getting worked up over intro presser comments need to cut back on the caffeine.
I don't understand your point here.
People are responding to comments made by the new GM. Depending on the fan's point of view, some of the comments are good, some concerning.
You seem to be upset that anyone is raising questions.
It seems odd to be unquestioned faith in the worst run organization in the NFL.
He will be on the roster because he's affordable. It doesn't matter what they say about Jones. If they pick up the option, they like him. If they don't, that's what they think about Jones.
And even if they were to draft a guy like Malik Willis, he is going to sit for his first year or a significant part of his first year.
So, I don't read this as an endorsement of Jones at all. He refused to commit to picking up the fifth year option. This is really DJ's "last chance"
The last few years have helped to filter which posters are interesting and which are superfans.
He will be on the roster because he's affordable. It doesn't matter what they say about Jones. If they pick up the option, they like him. If they don't, that's what they think about Jones.
A lot of fans are convinced that Jones won't be on the roster next year.
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
Fourth year of the scholarship.
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Sorry stats bother you.
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
The stats are from when he actually has time. What are the adverse impacts on of the line on those stats?
I think that makes for an extremely simple and non controversial decision to move on.
The last few years have helped to filter which posters are interesting and which are superfans.
It's weird.
Not only do the Giants have one of the worst W-L records over a span of a number of years, but they have become jokes. We're basically filling up the highlight reels for other teams. We get crushed by other bad teams. The last HC had two press conferences with 10+ minute answers to one question. The PR department is fighting with ex-scouts on Twitter. We ran a new QB sneak offense in the 2nd quarter of game still in doubt. Most importantly, the team has now fired two GMs and 4 HCs in the last few seasons.
But then some wonder why there is so much negativity?
Weird.
I wonder what his views on moving up or down in the draft are? No one asked that. What has he done in the past?
Anyway....hope springs eternal!
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In comment 15576079 ajr2456 said:
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Sorry stats bother you.
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
The stats are from when he actually has time. What are the adverse impacts on of the line on those stats?
OMG dude. You saw the part about scheme and coaching yes? I think he was better in a scheme like Shurmur's and with a better OL and system he can hang. So WHAT! Let it go man. You don't have to always argue with someone who has a different opinion. And I won't cry if we move on from Jones. I'd just rather he ends up being the guy. If not, so what? Root for the next guy up.
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There are posters here that would have faith in anything, no matter how absurd.
The last few years have helped to filter which posters are interesting and which are superfans.
It's weird.
Not only do the Giants have one of the worst W-L records over a span of a number of years, but they have become jokes. We're basically filling up the highlight reels for other teams. We get crushed by other bad teams. The last HC had two press conferences with 10+ minute answers to one question. The PR department is fighting with ex-scouts on Twitter. We ran a new QB sneak offense in the 2nd quarter of game still in doubt. Most importantly, the team has now fired two GMs and 4 HCs in the last few seasons.
But then some wonder why there is so much negativity?
Weird.
There are some people that can watch a plane fly into a mountain at 500 MPH and still convince themselves everyone onboard is ok.
I've been called negative and miserable on here for years - I've never understood it considering I was just saying the sky is blue.
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There are posters here that would have faith in anything, no matter how absurd.
The last few years have helped to filter which posters are interesting and which are superfans.
It's weird.
Not only do the Giants have one of the worst W-L records over a span of a number of years, but they have become jokes. We're basically filling up the highlight reels for other teams. We get crushed by other bad teams. The last HC had two press conferences with 10+ minute answers to one question. The PR department is fighting with ex-scouts on Twitter. We ran a new QB sneak offense in the 2nd quarter of game still in doubt. Most importantly, the team has now fired two GMs and 4 HCs in the last few seasons.
But then some wonder why there is so much negativity?
Weird.
There's a ton of negativity that is warranted.
Then there's negativity regardless.
I'm looking forward and not harping on the past - while also hopeful past mistakes are repeated.
There's a ton of negativity that is warranted.
Then there's negativity regardless.
I'm looking forward and not harping on the past - while also hopeful past mistakes are NOT repeated.
This. But I fixed the last sentence.
Fourth year of the scholarship.
At that's the negativity I'm talking about.
The post was fine until you throw in the "scholarship".
So the new GM is honoring it?
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There's a ton of negativity that is warranted.
Then there's negativity regardless.
I'm looking forward and not harping on the past - while also hopeful past mistakes are NOT repeated.
This. But I fixed the last sentence.
Thanks Johnny! LOL......you get the gist!
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In comment 15576079 ajr2456 said:
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Sorry stats bother you.
This is untrue. I just feel differently about the adverse impact of the OL (and ultimately the scheme and coaching) on the offense this past couple of years then you do. I'll be the broken record here again and say that my main motivation matches yours, I want the Giants to be good and competitive. I root for players on the team to be good. I understand that my feelings on those players is an opinion. If Jones 5th year option gets picked up, that will say everything needs being said. Personally I like the guy, I think he is better than you and others do, but at the end of the day if he is cut or traded I will root for who replaces him.
The stats are from when he actually has time. What are the adverse impacts on of the line on those stats?
OMG dude. You saw the part about scheme and coaching yes? I think he was better in a scheme like Shurmur's and with a better OL and system he can hang. So WHAT! Let it go man. You don't have to always argue with someone who has a different opinion. And I won't cry if we move on from Jones. I'd just rather he ends up being the guy. If not, so what? Root for the next guy up.
Those stats don’t anything to do with scheme, they’re about accuracy. Not whether the throw was caught or not. But whether it was within a like three foot radius of the intended target.
You replied to a comment that wasn’t addressing you with “lol, see” and are telling someone else they don’t have to argue. Weird stuff.
Why would a sane person put unquestioned faith in the organization moving forward.
I think most of us expect a losing season in 2023. That's OK if they are getting better.
2023 is the tell-tale year.
If they put chips in on Jones and Barkley going forward in 2023 (no guarantee they do) and it doesn't work out, it'll be bad for everyone (including Schoen).