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Schoen: HC Hiring Decision Will be a "Collaborative Effort"

Anando : 1/26/2022 12:07 pm
I know a lot of BBI has been curious whether ownership will be giving Schoen complete autonomy on making that decision, or if they will all work together on making a final decision.

That question was directly asked to Schoen just now and he very clearly said that it's a "collaborative effort," and that if there is disagreement amongst the decision makers (him, Tisch, Mara) that they will work things out and discuss.
I heard it too.  
3rdnlong : 1/26/2022 12:08 pm : link
Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.
what is he going to say  
Essex : 1/26/2022 12:08 pm : link
he is going to come in and tell mara who is going to be the head coach. No owner is not going to have a say on the HC--Mara said that last week and it is just a fact of life.
As expected.  
JohninSC : 1/26/2022 12:08 pm : link
Nothing to see here.
And this is news because  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 12:09 pm : link
?
RE: what is he going to say  
Anando : 1/26/2022 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15575789 Essex said:
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he is going to come in and tell mara who is going to be the head coach. No owner is not going to have a say on the HC--Mara said that last week and it is just a fact of life.


"Of course I will get input from the ownership group on their opinions of the head coach, but I've been assured by Steve/John that the final decision will be made by me"
Meaning the final decisions will always  
Silver Spoon : 1/26/2022 12:09 pm : link
be done by Mealy Mouth.
RE: RE: what is he going to say  
Essex : 1/26/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15575796 Anando said:
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In comment 15575789 Essex said:


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he is going to come in and tell mara who is going to be the head coach. No owner is not going to have a say on the HC--Mara said that last week and it is just a fact of life.



"Of course I will get input from the ownership group on their opinions of the head coach, but I've been assured by Steve/John that the final decision will be made by me"

That would be to defang your owner in public. That is never going to happen. I do not think John Mara will be anything other than someone who will approve Schoen's choice.
Maybe his version of collaboration  
mattlawson : 1/26/2022 12:15 pm : link
Will be different than the predecessor - he just indicated the processes in place for evaluation may need to change. He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear.

When you can say an all time great coach in the NFL has not evolved to his style of thinking - I like that kind of confidence. Cant wait to see how this shakes out.

Big changes baby. BIG
Sounds like 'carte blanche' to me!  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/26/2022 12:17 pm : link
.... crickets....
it has to suck having your every word  
UConn4523 : 1/26/2022 12:19 pm : link
twisted into whatever narrative someone wants it to fit into. I'm sure most guys at this level ignore it, but it has to be annoying after a while.

I fully expected Schoen to talk about collaboration, being on the same page, etc. If you didn't you have some absurd outlook and expectations on how companies, sports or otherwise, operate.
I believe they’ll rubberstamp any coaching decision he makes.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2022 12:21 pm : link
There isn’t a new GM who has taken the podium that is ever going to say, “it’s not a collaborative effort. I’m the go-to guy and who I want is it.”

I believe it will work out that way, but he’s not going to say anything else, imv
RE: Maybe his version of collaboration  
GFAN52 : 1/26/2022 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15575831 mattlawson said:
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Will be different than the predecessor - he just indicated the processes in place for evaluation may need to change. He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear.

When you can say an all time great coach in the NFL has not evolved to his style of thinking - I like that kind of confidence. Cant wait to see how this shakes out.

Big changes baby. BIG


"He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear." You know that dinosaur Gettleman would still follow his it's running game league motto.
Most if not all  
CV36 : 1/26/2022 12:22 pm : link
GMs will say the same thing if asked. If my name was on the building, no one working for me is going to tell me how it’s going to be. Fans have an unrealistic expectation if they believe anything else.
Why would you hire a GM and not let him pick his own coach?  
Metnut : 1/26/2022 12:22 pm : link
What kind of valuable input could Mara even provide regarding the head coach?

Mara should back off and let the actual football people make football decisions.
RE: RE: Maybe his version of collaboration  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15575857 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 15575831 mattlawson said:


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Will be different than the predecessor - he just indicated the processes in place for evaluation may need to change. He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear.

When you can say an all time great coach in the NFL has not evolved to his style of thinking - I like that kind of confidence. Cant wait to see how this shakes out.

Big changes baby. BIG



"He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear." You know that dinosaur Gettleman would still follow his it's running game league motto.


I caught that as well and made the same “note” to myself
When are folks going to understand  
BillT : 1/26/2022 12:27 pm : link
That this is the way the world operates. Owners of businesses everywhere always are part of major decisions. They have to be. And everyone here really knows that.
RE: When are folks going to understand  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15575882 BillT said:
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That this is the way the world operates. Owners of businesses everywhere always are part of major decisions. They have to be. And everyone here really knows that.


100% agree Bill, but regardless, he is not going to “show up” his bosses in public, especially as a newbie
RE: When are folks going to understand  
Mike in NY : 1/26/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15575882 BillT said:
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That this is the way the world operates. Owners of businesses everywhere always are part of major decisions. They have to be. And everyone here really knows that.


Exactly. If the best head coach option also happened to be a child molester I think ownership might have an issue. Technically that is still a “collaborative effort.”
Two things I expected and also expected fans to lose their minds  
Saos1n : 1/26/2022 12:30 pm : link
HC decision won’t be only his. Ownership will have a say.

That he wouldn’t rule out DJones as the QB of the future.

If you really think about it, he can’t say anything else in an opening press conference. However, that won’t stop fans from thinking there will be no changes.

There def will be. He alluded to it. It’s just not good enough for you
I think as long as Schoen doesn't try to hire OJ Simpson  
Blue Dream : 1/26/2022 12:31 pm : link
The choice will be his
RE: RE: When are folks going to understand  
Essex : 1/26/2022 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15575889 Mike in NY said:
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That this is the way the world operates. Owners of businesses everywhere always are part of major decisions. They have to be. And everyone here really knows that.



Exactly. If the best head coach option also happened to be a child molester I think ownership might have an issue. Technically that is still a “collaborative effort.”

Or if Schoen wanted Gruden or Urban Meryer lets say. I think Mara would be reluctant. And, Mara even said that last week when talking about players is that he reviews acquisitions for personal issues. Look, the man is going to protect the reputation of his multi billion dollar business, but at the same if he and Schoen are split between Flores and Daboll, I think John would give his opinions to Joe and if Joe still wanted Daboll, I do not think Mara would interfere.
Minor point but a Head Coach may be picked by a GM  
3putt : 1/26/2022 12:32 pm : link
A HC is hired by the Owner. I thought that Mara made it clear that the ultimate decision to hire a HC was his.
RE: Two things I expected and also expected fans to lose their minds  
Essex : 1/26/2022 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15575895 Saos1n said:
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HC decision won’t be only his. Ownership will have a say.

That he wouldn’t rule out DJones as the QB of the future.

If you really think about it, he can’t say anything else in an opening press conference. However, that won’t stop fans from thinking there will be no changes.

There def will be. He alluded to it. It’s just not good enough for you

I am defending him on the Mara stuff, but I think he went farther than he needed to on Jones. He said he already had his first four rounds done of the board in Buffalo so he might know that there is not a QB he wants in this draft and barring something crazy, Jones will be his QB in 2022. I just think the default option at the moment is Jones in 22 based on what Schoen said.
It was a professional answer  
Dave on the UWS : 1/26/2022 12:39 pm : link
to the expected question, and was the proper answer as well. His function for hiring the HC is to run point on the search. But when it comes time to decide, it HAS to be a collaborative decision. The guy who is hired will be the one ALL parties agree on. That's how big business is done. There problem with ownership is they meddle in day to day type crap, far too often. This is the appropriate time for them to be involved, hiring the HC. I don't believe any candidate will be rammed down Schoen's throat.
RE: RE: Two things I expected and also expected fans to lose their minds  
Saos1n : 1/26/2022 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15575917 Essex said:
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In comment 15575895 Saos1n said:


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HC decision won’t be only his. Ownership will have a say.

That he wouldn’t rule out DJones as the QB of the future.

If you really think about it, he can’t say anything else in an opening press conference. However, that won’t stop fans from thinking there will be no changes.

There def will be. He alluded to it. It’s just not good enough for you


I am defending him on the Mara stuff, but I think he went farther than he needed to on Jones. He said he already had his first four rounds done of the board in Buffalo so he might know that there is not a QB he wants in this draft and barring something crazy, Jones will be his QB in 2022. I just think the default option at the moment is Jones in 22 based on what Schoen said.


True. Also, I think that’s the smart play. Lack of quality at QB, plus any QB is going to see the same treatment. That the supporting offensive cast, mainly OL, is not where it needs to be. I just trust and believe long term hasn’t been decided. Improve the roster and OL and make a decision next year. This should have always been the plan
That was the correct answer,  
morrison40 : 1/26/2022 12:44 pm : link
I was not expecting him to say, I'm going to give John and Steve each a sealed envelope and tell them to open it, and find out who the new head coach is !
Guess that Schoen is under Mara's thumb  
US1 Giants : 1/26/2022 12:50 pm : link
was hoping that Schoen was going to take charge.
RE: Guess that Schoen is under Mara's thumb  
Saos1n : 1/26/2022 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15575975 US1 Giants said:
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was hoping that Schoen was going to take charge.


Taking the Eric approach, I see. Truly, in your mind, in his first presser ever as GM, what did you want him to say? Let’s hear it
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bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 12:53 pm : link
Can’t Wait For The Giants Org Chart  
Trainmaster : 1/26/2022 12:54 pm : link
Update
It is coach speak  
Amtoft : 1/26/2022 12:55 pm : link
or it could be coach speak. He is going to not going to say I have full control because the owners messed this up and I don't want their hand in it. If he has full control he will say it will be a collaborative effort because he will want to be respectful to the owners. Only time will tell how much power he actually has, but him answering respectfully isn't some kind of proof.
He has to say that  
Since1976 : 1/26/2022 12:55 pm : link
The whole spirit of his presentation was about “one team” and collaboration. Saying “yeah, it’s my way or the highway, screw everyone else” would be catastrophic. Let’s not focus on what comes out of their mouths, let’s focus on the actual actions. Those will show the truth.
The decision on Flores might very well....  
MOOPS : 1/26/2022 12:57 pm : link
hinge on how he views Daniel Jones and the details of Flores' interaction with Tua in Miami.
JM obviously wants to give Jones a realistic chance at the QB job moving forward, but a bad vibe on that prospect from Flores might very well eliminate him from contention.
And I'm not saying that I believe Flores is the front runner at this time. I have no idea who is.
No new first time GM  
UberAlias : 1/26/2022 1:09 pm : link
Is going to publicly say it's my call, no one else's. People who close their ears to everyone else do not make for good leaders.
the more things change, the more they stay the same  
Vanzetti : 1/26/2022 1:40 pm : link
so the new narrative appears to be Danny Jones has suffered from coaching and coaching changes

and they just need to bring in the "right guy" (i.e. the guy who coached Josh Allen). As if they can compensate for having passed on Josh Allen by hiring the guy who coached him.
RE: the more things change, the more they stay the same  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2022 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15576083 Vanzetti said:
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so the new narrative appears to be Danny Jones has suffered from coaching and coaching changes

and they just need to bring in the "right guy" (i.e. the guy who coached Josh Allen). As if they can compensate for having passed on Josh Allen by hiring the guy who coached him.


That’s what you took from it? You think that’s the final word? You do know DJ was at the presser, yes?
If Schoen picks up Jones' th year option  
Producer : 1/26/2022 1:51 pm : link
I'm out on him.
not sure how you come away with that opinion  
UConn4523 : 1/26/2022 1:53 pm : link
unless you think discarding Jones as an option for 2022 is somehow advantageous to our offseason strategy (and I don't know why anyone would), what else would you like to hear? And if you agree that it wouldn't be advantageous than how can you conclude everything is just staying the same?
RE: Guess that Schoen is under Mara's thumb  
BillT : 1/26/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15575975 US1 Giants said:
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was hoping that Schoen was going to take charge.

Where is that "double face palm" gif when you need it.
*5th year option  
Producer : 1/26/2022 1:54 pm : link
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RE: I heard it too.  
Jimmy Googs : 1/26/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15575788 3rdnlong said:
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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.


His answer was fine to me.

I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...



This is exactly  
Kevin in Annapolis : 1/26/2022 1:57 pm : link
The same process that he said he goes through with a scout when evaluating players. I don't see the big issue here.
He answered honestly  
rocco8112 : 1/26/2022 1:58 pm : link
He doesn't have full say on HC. Giants will never change how they operate. Didn't he say Chris Mara was in the interview room too?

RE: This is exactly  
Kevin in Annapolis : 1/26/2022 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15576131 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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The same process that he said he goes through with a scout when evaluating players. I don't see the big issue here.

Edit.."his scouts"
Thus is the heart of the Giants' problem  
Go Terps : 1/26/2022 2:00 pm : link
John and Chris aren't good at their jobs, but they have the biggest voices in the room.

It's a flawed process. Flawed processes can still yield a good result. Blind squirrels can find nuts. Hopefully Schoen and the incoming head coach are that nut.

But yeah, the processes here remain flawed.
RE: If Schoen picks up Jones' th year option  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2022 2:00 pm : link
In comment 15576112 Producer said:
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I'm out on him.


Why would he do that? It’s almost impossible, imv and DJ has to know that given the irregular play and missed time each season..It can’t be anything other than to play out this year ($8 mil?) and offer a whole new contract if merited, OR, let him walk
RE: When are folks going to understand  
AnnapolisMike : 1/26/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15575882 BillT said:
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That this is the way the world operates. Owners of businesses everywhere always are part of major decisions. They have to be. And everyone here really knows that.


Bingo. As long as the search is generally being run by Schoen, it is going to be OK. A head coach is the face of the franchise. Like it or not the owners have to be able to at very least sign off and offer input.
RE: RE: I heard it too.  
ron mexico : 1/26/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15576124 Jimmy Googs said:
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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.



His answer was fine to me.

I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...




Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.

and what happened to Carte Blanche?


RE: RE: If Schoen picks up Jones' th year option  
Producer : 1/26/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15576147 Big Blue '56 said:
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I'm out on him.



Why would he do that? It’s almost impossible, imv and DJ has to know that given the irregular play and missed time each season..It can’t be anything other than to play out this year ($8 mil?) and offer a whole new contract if merited, OR, let him walk


I'm with you.
RE: RE: RE: I heard it too.  
Jimmy Googs : 1/26/2022 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15576149 ron mexico said:
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In comment 15576124 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 15575788 3rdnlong said:


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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.



His answer was fine to me.

I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...






Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.

and what happened to Carte Blanche?



Beats me. They still start with the letter "c", just like clueless...
RE: RE: RE: I heard it too.  
eli4life : 1/26/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15576149 ron mexico said:
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In comment 15575788 3rdnlong said:


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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.



His answer was fine to me.

I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...






Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.

and what happened to Carte Blanche?



If I was giving out 20 million guaranteed contracts damn right I’d want to be involved. Doesn’t mean the decision is mine but I’d be involved
RE: RE: RE: I heard it too.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/26/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15576149 ron mexico said:
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In comment 15576124 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 15575788 3rdnlong said:


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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.



His answer was fine to me.

I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...






Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.

and what happened to Carte Blanche?



Nothing has happened to “carte blanche.” Unless not embarrassing your bosses in public by saying what few of us are surprised about, is meaningful to you..

He will tab who he wants and the ownership will sign off on it, imv..
does Schoen know  
KDavies : 1/26/2022 2:22 pm : link
how many head coaches we should have?
RE: the more things change, the more they stay the same  
81_Great_Dane : 1/26/2022 3:27 pm : link
In comment 15576083 Vanzetti said:
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so the new narrative appears to be Danny Jones has suffered from coaching and coaching changes

and they just need to bring in the "right guy" (i.e. the guy who coached Josh Allen). As if they can compensate for having passed on Josh Allen by hiring the guy who coached him.

Daniel Jones has suffered from coaching changes. That only means he's behind where he should be. It doesn't mean he'll turn into Josh Allen or even Ryan Tannehill under a stable coaching situation.

As a rookie, he was a playmaker with turnover problems. Last season he wasn't even a playmaker anymore, though he cut down the turnovers. Maybe there's something there for the Giants, maybe there isn't. Signs aren't encouraging but maybe they can fix him. If not, he'll be gone.
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