I know a lot of BBI has been curious whether ownership will be giving Schoen complete autonomy on making that decision, or if they will all work together on making a final decision.
That question was directly asked to Schoen just now and he very clearly said that it's a "collaborative effort," and that if there is disagreement amongst the decision makers (him, Tisch, Mara) that they will work things out and discuss.
"Of course I will get input from the ownership group on their opinions of the head coach, but I've been assured by Steve/John that the final decision will be made by me"
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he is going to come in and tell mara who is going to be the head coach. No owner is not going to have a say on the HC--Mara said that last week and it is just a fact of life.
"Of course I will get input from the ownership group on their opinions of the head coach, but I've been assured by Steve/John that the final decision will be made by me"
That would be to defang your owner in public. That is never going to happen. I do not think John Mara will be anything other than someone who will approve Schoen's choice.
When you can say an all time great coach in the NFL has not evolved to his style of thinking - I like that kind of confidence. Cant wait to see how this shakes out.
Big changes baby. BIG
I fully expected Schoen to talk about collaboration, being on the same page, etc. If you didn't you have some absurd outlook and expectations on how companies, sports or otherwise, operate.
I believe it will work out that way, but he’s not going to say anything else, imv
When you can say an all time great coach in the NFL has not evolved to his style of thinking - I like that kind of confidence. Cant wait to see how this shakes out.
Big changes baby. BIG
"He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear." You know that dinosaur Gettleman would still follow his it's running game league motto.
Mara should back off and let the actual football people make football decisions.
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Will be different than the predecessor - he just indicated the processes in place for evaluation may need to change. He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear.
When you can say an all time great coach in the NFL has not evolved to his style of thinking - I like that kind of confidence. Cant wait to see how this shakes out.
Big changes baby. BIG
"He even called out Bill Parcells for having great advice but philosophically hadn't evolved to where the game is today. That quote is extremely eye opening and refreshing to hear." You know that dinosaur Gettleman would still follow his it's running game league motto.
I caught that as well and made the same “note” to myself
100% agree Bill, but regardless, he is not going to “show up” his bosses in public, especially as a newbie
Exactly. If the best head coach option also happened to be a child molester I think ownership might have an issue. Technically that is still a “collaborative effort.”
That he wouldn’t rule out DJones as the QB of the future.
If you really think about it, he can’t say anything else in an opening press conference. However, that won’t stop fans from thinking there will be no changes.
There def will be. He alluded to it. It’s just not good enough for you
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That this is the way the world operates. Owners of businesses everywhere always are part of major decisions. They have to be. And everyone here really knows that.
Exactly. If the best head coach option also happened to be a child molester I think ownership might have an issue. Technically that is still a “collaborative effort.”
Or if Schoen wanted Gruden or Urban Meryer lets say. I think Mara would be reluctant. And, Mara even said that last week when talking about players is that he reviews acquisitions for personal issues. Look, the man is going to protect the reputation of his multi billion dollar business, but at the same if he and Schoen are split between Flores and Daboll, I think John would give his opinions to Joe and if Joe still wanted Daboll, I do not think Mara would interfere.
That he wouldn’t rule out DJones as the QB of the future.
If you really think about it, he can’t say anything else in an opening press conference. However, that won’t stop fans from thinking there will be no changes.
There def will be. He alluded to it. It’s just not good enough for you
I am defending him on the Mara stuff, but I think he went farther than he needed to on Jones. He said he already had his first four rounds done of the board in Buffalo so he might know that there is not a QB he wants in this draft and barring something crazy, Jones will be his QB in 2022. I just think the default option at the moment is Jones in 22 based on what Schoen said.
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HC decision won’t be only his. Ownership will have a say.
That he wouldn’t rule out DJones as the QB of the future.
If you really think about it, he can’t say anything else in an opening press conference. However, that won’t stop fans from thinking there will be no changes.
There def will be. He alluded to it. It’s just not good enough for you
I am defending him on the Mara stuff, but I think he went farther than he needed to on Jones. He said he already had his first four rounds done of the board in Buffalo so he might know that there is not a QB he wants in this draft and barring something crazy, Jones will be his QB in 2022. I just think the default option at the moment is Jones in 22 based on what Schoen said.
True. Also, I think that’s the smart play. Lack of quality at QB, plus any QB is going to see the same treatment. That the supporting offensive cast, mainly OL, is not where it needs to be. I just trust and believe long term hasn’t been decided. Improve the roster and OL and make a decision next year. This should have always been the plan
Taking the Eric approach, I see. Truly, in your mind, in his first presser ever as GM, what did you want him to say? Let’s hear it
JM obviously wants to give Jones a realistic chance at the QB job moving forward, but a bad vibe on that prospect from Flores might very well eliminate him from contention.
And I'm not saying that I believe Flores is the front runner at this time. I have no idea who is.
and they just need to bring in the "right guy" (i.e. the guy who coached Josh Allen). As if they can compensate for having passed on Josh Allen by hiring the guy who coached him.
and they just need to bring in the "right guy" (i.e. the guy who coached Josh Allen). As if they can compensate for having passed on Josh Allen by hiring the guy who coached him.
That’s what you took from it? You think that’s the final word? You do know DJ was at the presser, yes?
Where is that "double face palm" gif when you need it.
His answer was fine to me.
I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...
Edit.."his scouts"
It's a flawed process. Flawed processes can still yield a good result. Blind squirrels can find nuts. Hopefully Schoen and the incoming head coach are that nut.
But yeah, the processes here remain flawed.
Why would he do that? It’s almost impossible, imv and DJ has to know that given the irregular play and missed time each season..It can’t be anything other than to play out this year ($8 mil?) and offer a whole new contract if merited, OR, let him walk
Bingo. As long as the search is generally being run by Schoen, it is going to be OK. A head coach is the face of the franchise. Like it or not the owners have to be able to at very least sign off and offer input.
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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.
His answer was fine to me.
I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...
Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.
and what happened to Carte Blanche?
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I'm out on him.
Why would he do that? It’s almost impossible, imv and DJ has to know that given the irregular play and missed time each season..It can’t be anything other than to play out this year ($8 mil?) and offer a whole new contract if merited, OR, let him walk
I'm with you.
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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.
His answer was fine to me.
I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...
Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.
and what happened to Carte Blanche?
Beats me. They still start with the letter "c", just like clueless...
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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.
His answer was fine to me.
I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...
Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.
and what happened to Carte Blanche?
If I was giving out 20 million guaranteed contracts damn right I’d want to be involved. Doesn’t mean the decision is mine but I’d be involved
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Not the answer any fan wanted to hear.
His answer was fine to me.
I love how collaboration has become a dirty word on BBI...
Collaboration with guys who have a terrible track record for making these kind of decisions should be a dirty word.
and what happened to Carte Blanche?
Nothing has happened to “carte blanche.” Unless not embarrassing your bosses in public by saying what few of us are surprised about, is meaningful to you..
He will tab who he wants and the ownership will sign off on it, imv..
and they just need to bring in the "right guy" (i.e. the guy who coached Josh Allen). As if they can compensate for having passed on Josh Allen by hiring the guy who coached him.
Daniel Jones has suffered from coaching changes. That only means he's behind where he should be. It doesn't mean he'll turn into Josh Allen or even Ryan Tannehill under a stable coaching situation.
As a rookie, he was a playmaker with turnover problems. Last season he wasn't even a playmaker anymore, though he cut down the turnovers. Maybe there's something there for the Giants, maybe there isn't. Signs aren't encouraging but maybe they can fix him. If not, he'll be gone.