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adamg : 1/26/2022 1:09 pm
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RE: we've seen so much bad basketball  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15578829 Enzo said:
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and had plenty of characters on this team, but I don't recall a key guy just dogging it like this over an extended period of time - and not facing any repercussions.


He is playing like he is throwing games
The distance traveled and average speed are pretty damning  
Mike in NJ : 1/27/2022 4:09 pm : link
but even more so compared to Obi Toppin. You could have said maybe it had something to do with the position he plays and how he's asked to play defensively, but Toppin being on the total opposite end of the spectrum says otherwise.
You can say you expected a regrssion in shooting  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:12 pm : link
We have all seen slumps, this isnt a slump, he looks miserable, he looks like someone took his talent, its just odd
RE: Begely said there was a team in touch about Randle  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15577860 nygiants16 said:
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i talked to my guy, he said it was the Kings, they want Randle, Knicks said Randle for Fox...Kings prefer something like Barnes and a pick for randle..

See where it goes


Can confirm this.

Thanks to you both.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 4:44 pm : link
Seems clear this is heading for a divorce - Knicks shouldn't get too greedy or delay the inevitable.
There’s people outside the Knicks  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 4:48 pm : link
That think if a Randle trade happens it’s a three way deal that sends Brunson to the Knicks.

I think a fourth team would have to get involved, like Cleveland. Only real path to that I can see is:

To NY: Rubio, Barnes, Brunson, Kings Top Prot

To Sac: Randle

To Dal: Quickly and Cavs Protected First, Dallas Pick Knicks own

To Cle: Fournier
My question would be can Fox and Rj work together  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:50 pm : link
I think they could if they were surrounded by shooters and defenders..

Kind of Like how Derozan and Lavine works, they are the 2 scorers and surrounded by shooters and defenders and 1 is on court at all times
I am happy there is smoke around Randle.  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2022 4:56 pm : link
NY media is jumping on it, at this point I feel it's addition by subtraction.
Also Thibs is under fire which hopefully pushes him to change the lineups.
RE: There’s people outside the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15578923 ajr2456 said:
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That think if a Randle trade happens it’s a three way deal that sends Brunson to the Knicks.

I think a fourth team would have to get involved, like Cleveland. Only real path to that I can see is:

To NY: Rubio, Barnes, Brunson, Kings Top Prot

To Sac: Randle

To Dal: Quickly and Cavs Protected First, Dallas Pick Knicks own

To Cle: Fournier


This would be something i would do in a second, i just dont see cavs taking Fournker
RE: The distance traveled and average speed are pretty damning  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15578837 Mike in NJ said:
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but even more so compared to Obi Toppin. You could have said maybe it had something to do with the position he plays and how he's asked to play defensively, but Toppin being on the total opposite end of the spectrum says otherwise.


Toppin aside, he's getting out-worked by Old Man River Taj Gibson.
I like IQ but he's a fairly small price to pay  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 5:04 pm : link
for trading Randle and Fournier and getting Brunson. That would salvage this entire season.
RE: RE: There’s people outside the Knicks  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15578942 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15578923 ajr2456 said:


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That think if a Randle trade happens it’s a three way deal that sends Brunson to the Knicks.

I think a fourth team would have to get involved, like Cleveland. Only real path to that I can see is:

To NY: Rubio, Barnes, Brunson, Kings Top Prot

To Sac: Randle

To Dal: Quickly and Cavs Protected First, Dallas Pick Knicks own

To Cle: Fournier



This would be something i would do in a second, i just dont see cavs taking Fournker


Could probably figure out it and make it Burks with Knicks sending Dallas their 1st back and Cavs sending a 2nd to Dallas. More cash would need to move around I think
Apparently Randle got a fan thrown out last night  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 6:08 pm : link
the fan called wfan and explained what happened, he claims no cursing and all hr said was that Randle was a waste of 113 million and them in the 4th said he was a -34...

Alao Windhorst claims Knicks are trying to trade Kemba, Fournier and Burka to open up playing time for young players
Up to 8 teams have been keeping tabs on Randle  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:18 pm : link
Except more than he Kings to start reaching out
RE: Up to 8 teams have been keeping tabs on Randle  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15579024 ajr2456 said:
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Except more than he Kings to start reaching out


Packers are one.
*  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:29 pm : link
Pacers*
RE: *  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15579036 ajr2456 said:
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Pacers*


For Sabonis or Turner?
RE: RE: *  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15579037 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15579036 ajr2456 said:


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Pacers*



For Sabonis or Turner?


They’ve just kept tabs on him so not sure, but would have to be one of them. I wonder if an Embid/Randle pairing could work and can work out something like Cj to Knicks, randle to Philly, Tobias to blazers
I hate that it has come to this  
djm : 1/27/2022 6:52 pm : link
Only the Knicks.... never ends.
RE: Apparently Randle got a fan thrown out last night  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15579014 nygiants16 said:
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the fan called wfan and explained what happened, he claims no cursing and all hr said was that Randle was a waste of 113 million and them in the 4th said he was a -34...

Alao Windhorst claims Knicks are trying to trade Kemba, Fournier and Burka to open up playing time for young players


Randle is not long for NY @ this rate. LAL vs. 76ers tonight...should be a good one on TNT.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 6:55 pm : link
Lots of blame to go around with the Knicks, but Thibs deserves a lot of it. A lot. He's been awful this season.
Randle  
five5 : 1/27/2022 6:56 pm : link
This board is destroying him and you think they will deal Sabonis for him? It’s more likely a deal that would involve Levert.
RE: Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15579062 five5 said:
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This board is destroying him and you think they will deal Sabonis for him? It’s more likely a deal that would involve Levert.


It wouldnt be Randle for Sabonis straight up...
RE: I hate that it has come to this  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15579053 djm said:
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Only the Knicks.... never ends.


Relax its not that big of a deal
RE: The distance traveled and average speed are pretty damning  
Mike from SI : 1/27/2022 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15578837 Mike in NJ said:
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but even more so compared to Obi Toppin. You could have said maybe it had something to do with the position he plays and how he's asked to play defensively, but Toppin being on the total opposite end of the spectrum says otherwise.


I hate to slightly defend Randle, but it's not fair to compare a bench guy to a starter on a lot of these metrics. If you know you're only gonna play 10-15 minutes every night, you can give much more energy than if you know it's going to be 35 minutes. Think of it like running different length races. The people in the longer races can't go as close to 100% (until the very end).
This will likely change by season's end  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 7:06 pm : link
but if the playoffs started today the 4/5 matchup in the East would be Brooklyn/Milwaukee. I would absolutely love that.
I love Sabonis' game...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:07 pm : link
I have a soft spot for his old man too. I would have loved if he had spent a majority of his career in the NBA.
RE: This will likely change by season's end  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15579085 bceagle05 said:
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but if the playoffs started today the 4/5 matchup in the East would be Brooklyn/Milwaukee. I would absolutely love that.


The Cavs-the FUCKING Cavs-are 1.5 or something back of the #1 seed. Insane NBA season.
RE: RE: I hate that it has come to this  
djm : 1/27/2022 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15579076 nygiants16 said:
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Only the Knicks.... never ends.



Relax its not that big of a deal


We have an all (second team) nba player that we can’t wait to run out of town. A guy we basically discovered and developed and were this close to scorched earth. It is a big deal, we’re just used to the shit show that is the Knicks.

We may get fair value in return but something tells me the player we get back won’t approach nba all second team.

Whatever works. I’m used to it. At least we have our picks!
djm.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:11 pm : link
I'd rather have Sabonis than Randle. He's a few years younger, isn't the headcase JR is, & similar talent. I think Sabonis would be a fan favorite in NY.
RE: RE: This will likely change by season's end  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15579089 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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but if the playoffs started today the 4/5 matchup in the East would be Brooklyn/Milwaukee. I would absolutely love that.



The Cavs-the FUCKING Cavs-are 1.5 or something back of the #1 seed. Insane NBA season.


I mean Wiggins is an all star starter lol
Randle and the Knicks 2022 unprotected for Sabonis?  
adamg : 1/27/2022 7:15 pm : link
Does the salary work?
RE: RE: RE: I hate that it has come to this  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 7:15 pm : link
In comment 15579093 djm said:
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We may get fair value in return but something tells me the player we get back won’t approach nba all second team.

But do you think Randle will be a second team All-NBA player at any point going forward? I think it's safe to say we've already gotten the only great basketball we're going to get out of the guy, unfortunately.
RE: RE: RE: I hate that it has come to this  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15579093 djm said:
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In comment 15579076 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 15579053 djm said:


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Only the Knicks.... never ends.



Relax its not that big of a deal



We have an all (second team) nba player that we can’t wait to run out of town. A guy we basically discovered and developed and were this close to scorched earth. It is a big deal, we’re just used to the shit show that is the Knicks.

We may get fair value in return but something tells me the player we get back won’t approach nba all second team.

Whatever works. I’m used to it. At least we have our picks!


Knicks have young players and a bunch of picks, the Knicks are not in the worst position in the world..

Fans are not running Randle out of town, he is doing it to himself..
I look at Randle like Russell for thr Nets  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:19 pm : link
they had great seasons but in the end they were not going to be the players to lead or be apart of the team that makes thr Knicks or nets contenders
I agree with bc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:23 pm : link
I think '20-'21 was Randle's apex.

I don't know what's going on with him. He pens the article in the Players Tribune waxing about he loves being a Knick & now he's giving the thumbs down-a FU to the fans-& having fans ejected? Is the $ & thus pressure getting to him? Perhaps. I am just ready to move on. I think it is best for all parties.
Maybe Randle wants another Most Improved Player Award  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 7:26 pm : link
so he decided to tank this season to prep for a comeback.
RE: I agree with bc.  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15579113 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think '20-'21 was Randle's apex.

I don't know what's going on with him. He pens the article in the Players Tribune waxing about he loves being a Knick & now he's giving the thumbs down-a FU to the fans-& having fans ejected? Is the $ & thus pressure getting to him? Perhaps. I am just ready to move on. I think it is best for all parties.


I expected the shooting numbers to come down, i expected the ppg to go down but this is more than that, this is just a lack of focus, lack of everything..

Something happened in that locker room where Randle basically said i dont care anymore and part of me thinka he has asked to be traded..

Its gotten so bad that i dont think he can be on the team post deadline..

You can see it is the young guys team, whether the vets or Thibs likes it, the young guys are taking over and they are the best players on this team..

Now the vets can support them and take a backseat to them or they can go the f away
I really don't want to include IQ in any deals either  
adamg : 1/27/2022 8:54 pm : link
IQ/RJ/Obi/Grimes/Mitch/Deuce/Cam those are the core. No reason to get rid of any of them particularly for older players.

I'd really rather include extra future picks than any of those guys.

I think Dan said it earlier  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:02 pm : link
If Lakers would take Randle Fournier, Burks and Kemba for westbrook and THT..i would do it..

Knicks could play the Kids with Rose and Gibson with westbrook..

Westbrook and Rj could bw your scorers with the pieces around them, Westbrook is best out in transition same with the young kids and westbrook can attack the paint that Thibs likes..
I don't even watch the games any more so you guys have  
arniefez : 1/27/2022 9:15 pm : link
every right to tell me to shut the F up. But the Knicks did it again. They signed a guy to a huge long term contract after a good regular season with no fans (so not real NBA basketball) who got exposed in playoffs for what he really is before he got the contract and now they're screwed again. What a shock.
RE: I don't even watch the games any more so you guys have  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15579257 arniefez said:
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every right to tell me to shut the F up. But the Knicks did it again. They signed a guy to a huge long term contract after a good regular season with no fans (so not real NBA basketball) who got exposed in playoffs for what he really is before he got the contract and now they're screwed again. What a shock.


How are they screwed? First off any team would of signed Randle to that contract, it was an absolute steal even if he regressed a little bit, bo one saw this coming.

Second Kbicks have probably 6 or 7 young guys that they can either build for the future with or use in a trade for a star, Knicks have drafted really well..

Third they arent in cap hell, they have plenty of flexibility.

fourth they have something like 15 picks in 4 years, they have a ton of draft capitol..

I wouldnt say they are screwed at all, are they going to make the playoffs? probably not but their future isnt effected by this year..

and no i am not telling you to f off because you admit you dont watch
RE: I really don't want to include IQ in any deals either  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15579227 adamg said:
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IQ/RJ/Obi/Grimes/Mitch/Deuce/Cam those are the core. No reason to get rid of any of them particularly for older players.

I'd really rather include extra future picks than any of those guys.


They’ve hung up the phone so far on any IQ involved deals
Zach Lowe  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:47 pm : link
said Knicks are trying to trade Fournier..

Also said teams are trying to get IQ thibking Knicks are desperate for a quick fix
RE: RE: I really don't want to include IQ in any deals either  
adamg : 1/27/2022 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15579279 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15579227 adamg said:


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IQ/RJ/Obi/Grimes/Mitch/Deuce/Cam those are the core. No reason to get rid of any of them particularly for older players.

I'd really rather include extra future picks than any of those guys.




They’ve hung up the phone so far on any IQ involved deals


Good. He and Grimes are probably attractive to other teams, but they should building blocks here.
CP from KnicksFanTV  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 10:42 pm : link
saying one of his sources - he calls him “the plug” - told him two weeks ago the Knicks started putting Randle’s name out there in trade talks, and don’t be surprised if he’s dealt at the deadline or this summer.

CP also reminded everyone this front office was shopping Julius that first off-season prior to his breakout year.
RE: CP from KnicksFanTV  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15579320 bceagle05 said:
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saying one of his sources - he calls him “the plug” - told him two weeks ago the Knicks started putting Randle’s name out there in trade talks, and don’t be surprised if he’s dealt at the deadline or this summer.

CP also reminded everyone this front office was shopping Julius that first off-season prior to his breakout year.


Also said all the vets are up for sale
I dont see how you can go past the deadline  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 10:52 pm : link
with Randle still on this team
Yeah, feels like we’re at the end.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 11:13 pm : link
Oh well. Sacramento’s in town soon - let’s make a deal.
RE: I dont see how you can go past the deadline  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2022 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15579332 nygiants16 said:
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with Randle still on this team


I would be more surprised if he gets traded.
Also Thibs is not the right coach for the kids on this team, I don't think he has the patience or wants to coach a bunch of younger players.

They have a bunch of decisions to be made over the next 6 months that will determine the direction of the franchise.
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