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NFT: Knicks @ Heat - 7:30 PM - Game Thread

adamg : 1/26/2022 1:09 pm
LFGK!!!
Noel and Robinson both listed as day-to-day  
adamg : 1/26/2022 1:10 pm : link
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Thibs said Mitch was good to go  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 1:14 pm : link
No Lowry for Miami
RE: Thibs said Mitch was good to go  
adamg : 1/26/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15576024 nygiants16 said:
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No Lowry for Miami


Awesome. Mitch has been coming on lately. We could use his offensive boards and D.
It's getting harder and harder to look  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 2:18 pm : link
Forward to these games. Especially if Mitch and Noel can't go both say questionable
RE: It's getting harder and harder to look  
adamg : 1/26/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15576188 larryflower37 said:
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Forward to these games. Especially if Mitch and Noel can't go both say questionable


Sounds like Mitch is playing...
Feed RJ  
adamg : 1/26/2022 5:49 pm : link
Keep Grimes  
adamg : 1/26/2022 5:50 pm : link
Popper confirms NY16  
adamg : 1/26/2022 5:52 pm : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
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5h
No Kyle Lowry for Heat tonight vs. Knicks, but they have upgraded Tyler Herro to available. Mitchell Robinson went through shootaround and is expected to play tonight for Knicks.
RE: Keep Grimes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/26/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15576647 adamg said:
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Yes sir
Wish Thibs would shake up the starting lineup  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 6:23 pm : link
Would love to see Robinson, Randle, RJ, Grimes, Burks. Second unit of Noel, Toppin, Reddish, Fournier, Quickley would be interesting to see as well.
Robinson is available  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 6:26 pm : link
Noel is out again
I think with all the young guys  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 6:40 pm : link
they have something that can keep them in the NBA for 10 years and contribute, but the all lack something that takes them to another level, granted they are all young and still add it..

Grimes: a dribble drive game, finish at the rim, with how good of a shooter he is he should be able to blow by guys, he adds that, sky is the limit..

Rj: Fluid midrange and shoot of the dribble, a lot of times he goes to far when if he had amidrange it would help him..

Reddish: a consistent midrange, he has the handle, the aize, can finish at the rim, shoot the 3, but his midrange game is not great..He is a fluid athlete he has all the attributes if he can put it all together..

Obi: Needs a 3 point shot, he gets that he can be a dynamic scorer and a starter in this league for a long time..

Quickley: More control to his game, finishing at the rim needs an improvement, shot selection, and a more consistent 3 point shot, he can get hot but its not consistent..

Mitch: He is becoming unstoppable on the offensive glass, would be nice to have a midrange game and alittle smarter on defense
Good post 16  
adamg : 1/26/2022 6:48 pm : link
Need Deuce to show more too. Could have solid core there.
Rebecca looking good  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2022 7:41 pm : link
in her maternity wear. (Seriously.)
RJ needs to become more consistent.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 7:43 pm : link
He's Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde.
Kemba -sheesh  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2022 7:48 pm : link
We need a PG so badly
Fuck off Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 7:49 pm : link
..
Down 9-0  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 7:50 pm : link
And our best player hasn’t even touched the ball yet.
RE: Kemba -sheesh  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15576893 Del Shofner said:
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We need a PG so badly


For what? to watch Randle dribble
Randle with his head  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 7:51 pm : link
planted firmly up his ass. Wants no part of the Heat’s physicality.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 7:51 pm : link
TRADE RANDLE.
Damn  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 7:52 pm : link
This is ugly. Instant double on Randle they got his number.
Heat are playing at 100 mph
Knicks are 50mph.
Glad Thibodeau keeps trotting this same starting lineup out there  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 7:52 pm : link
Love having to watch them crawl back from double digits every night.
It will be 25-2 before Thibs makes a sub  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 7:52 pm : link
and them the first sub will be Gibson for Mitch and then Burks for Kemba..
no disagreement as to Randle  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2022 7:52 pm : link
either
Notice Heat play fast  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 7:53 pm : link
Knicks play like they are stuck in mud, Meanwhile the Knicks fast players sit
What a mess  
Rick in Dallas : 1/26/2022 7:54 pm : link
Do the Knicks play defense anymore?
RE: Glad Thibodeau keeps trotting this same starting lineup out there  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15576906 Mike in NJ said:
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Love having to watch them crawl back from double digits every night.

Yep, same minutes distribution too.
Last year Randle was great - 38 minutes, Obi sucked - 10 minutes.
This year Randle sucks - 38 minutes, Obi’s improved - 10 minutes.
Thibs has been awful this season.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 7:57 pm : link
No feel whatsoever. Judge like.
PJ Tucker  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 7:57 pm : link
Looks like a middle aged gym teacher out there, physically looks at least 10 years older than he actually is.
Lol at Burks as the first sub  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 7:58 pm : link
and Randle is such a lazy pos
Randle is winded already  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 7:59 pm : link
How do you come out this flat and unprepared?
Embarrassing
RE: Thibs has been awful this season.  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15576918 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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No feel whatsoever. Judge like.


yeah - I just don't get it. I know we're just armchair warriors but how can you watch the games and not see what we're talking about?
Gibson now coming in  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:00 pm : link
like fricken clockwork, lets get slower
RJ looks like the only one ready to play  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:02 pm : link
Now make your damn FTs
RE: RJ looks like the only one ready to play  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15576927 larryflower37 said:
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Now make your damn FTs


yup then stuck into the corner for Burks to turn it over
There’s no reason for Burks to keep getting minutes if he is going to  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 8:03 pm : link
Continue playing like this. Guy should never come in ahead of Quickley
so glad the 30 year old Burks  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:04 pm : link
slow and unathletic is playing over the 22 year old who is 6 foot 8 and can do all the same things as burks only better
They better be showcasing these guys for trades  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:05 pm : link
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They have zero intensity  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:06 pm : link
National TV game on the road and they are playing like it's the preseason.
RE: They better be showcasing these guys for trades  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15576934 adamg said:
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Ita auch a joke
Thibs has his set rotations and no matter how the game is going  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 8:07 pm : link
he sticks with it. Just a really stubborn coach . This starting lineup is also ass with Kemba in the starting lineup and he won't change it up either
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 8:07 pm : link
Inspiring effort thus far.
really wish we had a modern coach  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:09 pm : link
look at the Heat lineup, Jimmy Butler playing the 4..

Meanwhile knicks are slow and rigid with Randle and gibson as the bigs
Heat running circles around the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:10 pm : link
Does Thibs change anything? nope
They will be luck to score 70 tonight  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:12 pm : link
Miami is shutting them down
Oh look athletic players in the game  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:16 pm : link
easy basket
Toppin is playing well  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 8:16 pm : link
time for Thibs to take him out
Yup keep playing the unathletic Burks  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:18 pm : link
Thanks Thibs
God. Trade Randle.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 8:18 pm : link
Keep Obi.
Thibs has been horrific this season.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 8:19 pm : link
Horrific.
The front office gave Thibs a gift  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:21 pm : link
and he doesnt take it
Why is Obi in the game?  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:23 pm : link
He is scoring get him out he is embarrassing Randle
RE: God. Trade Randle.  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15576957 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Keep Obi.


This is really the only option that makes nay sense . Build around RJ timeline, not Randle.

Plus trading Randle opens up the floor for Toppin, Rj, Reddish etc
Lol why is Burks in the rotation?  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:25 pm : link
misses 2 free throws and then gives up the 3
This should be your 5 for the night  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:26 pm : link
Let the kids play
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 8:27 pm : link
I might put $ on Heat to make the Finals. They're damn good.
RE: This should be your 5 for the night  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15576977 larryflower37 said:
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Let the kids play


imagine if they werent down 15 when they came in
Note the five on the court.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 8:28 pm : link
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RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15576978 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I might put $ on Heat to make the Finals. They're damn good.


Zero chance against Bucks, Nets or Bulls
RE: This should be your 5 for the night  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15576977 larryflower37 said:
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Let the kids play


This should be the lineup every night. Barrett looks so much better with Randle and Walker off the court. Fuck those two.
RE: Note the five on the court.  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15576983 bceagle05 said:
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add a little athleticism and all of sudden you can get some easy baslets, of course Randle is coming in
Love RJ talking at Bam  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:31 pm : link
He is turning into the leader.
Trade Randle, Kemba, and Fournier.
Let the current 5 be your team
welp that was fun for 5 monutes  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:32 pm : link
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This is RJ's team  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:32 pm : link
Need to get rid of Kemba and Randle
Right on cue  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 8:32 pm : link
The dumb fuck brings the two problems back into the game.
Why sub? like why?  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:33 pm : link
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Thibs have money on the game?  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:33 pm : link
Cut it to 10 and put the old folks in
Kemba and Randle come in  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:33 pm : link
and Rj doesnt touch the ball for 2 straight possessions
Please Quit Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:35 pm : link
please
16 point deficit  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 8:36 pm : link
rolling toward 20. Randle/Kemba are in - get any shot you want.
Back to the offense not moving again  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:36 pm : link
defense giving up wide open 3s
One week  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:36 pm : link
One week until they can trade Randle.

If they don't do anything by the deadline, then I'll start going crazy. But it might just be one more week of this shit.
As Randle somehow manages to cause RJ to get his 3 PF  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:38 pm : link
... ugh
RE: One week  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15577011 adamg said:
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One week until they can trade Randle.

If they don't do anything by the deadline, then I'll start going crazy. But it might just be one more week of this shit.


There shouldnt need to be trades for Thibs to make a change, how cna he not see this?

You play the slow vets look at the offense
Lol the offense immediately goes to shit  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:39 pm : link
the second randle and Kemba camr back in
RE: One week  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15577011 adamg said:
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One week until they can trade Randle.

If they don't do anything by the deadline, then I'll start going crazy. But it might just be one more week of this shit.


Too bad it will never happen.no way they move Randle.
JVG on ESPN:  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 8:40 pm : link
“They just need major changes. Starting lineup just doesn’t bring it every night.”

He’s been killing them all night.
The offense doesnt move  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:41 pm : link
literally jist pass the ball until someone goes 1 on 1
Can some show Thibs a +/- sheet  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:41 pm : link
It might help him
Look at the heat lineup  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:42 pm : link
compared to the Knicks
Van Gundy  
ripdumaine : 1/26/2022 8:42 pm : link
Is killing Thibs and the starters. Love it.
Van Gundy announcing  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:42 pm : link
Saying the Knicks are insane = doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result by rolling out these starters every night.

Big move coming, he says.
Well, big move needed  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:43 pm : link
but we don't have the assets to get a big piece back
Randle, Kemba, Burks, Fournier are all disasters  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 8:44 pm : link
Taking up important minutes away from the youth while playing iso ball on offense and terrible defense.

Trade all these guys and turn the team over to the kids . Keep Rose and Taj for Veteran experience in the locker room
You telling me the Heat are that much more talented  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:44 pm : link
than the Knicks?
Lol. My bad  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:44 pm : link
Didn't see a billion other people post that...
Looking forward to West Coast trip soon...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 8:45 pm : link
@ LAL. Utah. Nuggets. Blazers...
RE: Randle, Kemba, Burks, Fournier are all disasters  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15577037 Giantfan21 said:
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Taking up important minutes away from the youth while playing iso ball on offense and terrible defense.

Trade all these guys and turn the team over to the kids . Keep Rose and Taj for Veteran experience in the locker room


yup 100% Kods should be in the forefront, vets take a backseat
RE: Looking forward to West Coast trip soon...  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15577041 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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@ LAL. Utah. Nuggets. Blazers...

Jokic obliterates us every time. I dread Denver games more than any others.
If ajr's deal is possible  
adamg : 1/26/2022 8:47 pm : link
Getting McCullum for Randle and Kemba

and then flipping Fournier and Burks for picks. That'd be nice
That's telling Van Gundy  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 8:48 pm : link
Is in the know especially with the Knicks.
This team is not winning anything this year move the vets and let the kids get all the burn
I know its easy for us to say bench this guy or that guy  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:52 pm : link
but Thibs needs to have some balls and play the young guys, he has to see that these guys play the way he wants, they play hard, fast and play defense..

He is not stupid
Does Thibs really need to have Randle touch the ball every  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/26/2022 8:55 pm : link
possession so he can waste 15 seconds of the clock doing nothing and pass at last second so someone has to take a contested 3?

The team is unwatchable when Randle is in the game.
RE: Does Thibs really need to have Randle touch the ball every  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15577065 Jim in Hoboken said:
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possession so he can waste 15 seconds of the clock doing nothing and pass at last second so someone has to take a contested 3?

The team is unwatchable when Randle is in the game.


I honestly think it is Randle hijacking the offense..

The second he is out the ball moves, the plays are faster..

He slows everything down
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 8:57 pm : link
Watching Bucks Cavs on League Pass.

Mobley is a stud.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15577069 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Watching Bucks Cavs on League Pass.

Mobley is a stud.


and they are doing it with young guys playing hard and together
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15577069 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Watching Bucks Cavs on League Pass.

Mobley is a stud.


and their high priced player plays off the bench
RE: RE: Does Thibs really need to have Randle touch the ball every  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15577067 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15577065 Jim in Hoboken said:


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possession so he can waste 15 seconds of the clock doing nothing and pass at last second so someone has to take a contested 3?

The team is unwatchable when Randle is in the game.



I honestly think it is Randle hijacking the offense..

The second he is out the ball moves, the plays are faster..

He slows everything down


But it is Thibs fault for not holding him accountable and letting him do what he wants
For once, maybe just 3 minutes, I'd like to see IQ, Grimes, RJ, Cam  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/26/2022 9:00 pm : link
and Obi on the floor together...

Maybe Heat will be up by 40 so Thibs will give us......Burks.
RE: RE: RE: Does Thibs really need to have Randle touch the ball every  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15577073 Giantfan21 said:
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In comment 15577067 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 15577065 Jim in Hoboken said:


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possession so he can waste 15 seconds of the clock doing nothing and pass at last second so someone has to take a contested 3?

The team is unwatchable when Randle is in the game.



I honestly think it is Randle hijacking the offense..

The second he is out the ball moves, the plays are faster..

He slows everything down



But it is Thibs fault for not holding him accountable and letting him do what he wants


100%
My brother is at the game tonight sitting right behind the bench  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 9:00 pm : link
and i am getting a 1st hand report from him with pictures and videos and what is seeing.

He says Randle looks miserable on the bench and is the only player from the team not talking to any teammates.

I honestly can't imagine anybody likes having him on the team at this point
#FreeDeuce  
adamg : 1/26/2022 9:01 pm : link
#FreeCam
RE: My brother is at the game tonight sitting right behind the bench  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15577077 Giantfan21 said:
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and i am getting a 1st hand report from him with pictures and videos and what is seeing.

He says Randle looks miserable on the bench and is the only player from the team not talking to any teammates.

I honestly can't imagine anybody likes having him on the team at this point


I really wonder if he has asked for a trade
Get Randle off of my TV  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 9:06 pm : link
What a fucking eyesore to watch this shit
Hey Thibs take Fournier out please  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:06 pm : link
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Lol dont worry guys  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:08 pm : link
first 2 subs will be Gibson and Burks and Knicks will be down 30..
Randle air ball a 3 and next position  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 9:08 pm : link
Turns it over in the lane.
Sit his ass down
Thibs is helpless without Rose, but to get so little out of the rest  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/26/2022 9:11 pm : link
of the roster is pathetic.
Thibs leaves the starters in with  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 9:12 pm : link
a 11-2 run to start the 3rd. Just unbelievable the lack of accountability Thibs has for the Vets especially Randle
Lol Randle just lets Tucker get the rebound  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:12 pm : link
..
RJ forcing the ball to Randle  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 9:16 pm : link
Fuck him and calling for the ball
Better off throwing the ball in the stands and get back on defense
Dont worry Thibs  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:17 pm : link
just stand there with your arms accross your chest, no reason to make an adjustment..

You just watch how the heat dont have the greatest players, they dont play big but they play fast, they play small and they make you work..

You notice your bigs getting pushed around by a smaller team..
What  
Mook80 : 1/26/2022 9:18 pm : link
is the solution to the mess that is the Knicks this season?

Will Thibs survive?

Is Randle tradeable with his salary now?

I have watched very little this season and sounds like I havent missed much.

RE: What  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15577103 Mook80 said:
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is the solution to the mess that is the Knicks this season?

Will Thibs survive?

Is Randle tradeable with his salary now?

I have watched very little this season and sounds like I havent missed much.


The youth is the answer..

Knicks have a ton of good to very good youth but Thibs doesnt play them..

He still hasnt made a sub  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:20 pm : link
..
Thibs sticking with his Stupid rotations  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 9:20 pm : link
Down 26 points. You can't make it up
yay first sub is Gibson  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:21 pm : link
get slower
I might just let the starters play the entire second half.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 9:21 pm : link
Lose by 50 with them.
Nothing like finally making a move  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:22 pm : link
down 26
RE: RE: What  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15577104 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15577103 Mook80 said:


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is the solution to the mess that is the Knicks this season?

Will Thibs survive?

Is Randle tradeable with his salary now?

I have watched very little this season and sounds like I havent missed much.




The youth is the answer..

Knicks have a ton of good to very good youth but Thibs doesnt play them..

I agree you build around RJ and you flush Randle, Kemba, Burks and Fournier.
Only vets you keep are Rose and Taj they are good with the kids
JVG calling out Thibs for being a moron  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 9:23 pm : link
sticking with the starters while the bench has been playing much better.
What does it hurt to give Cam minutes here?  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:26 pm : link
what is the need for Burks?
The subs will cut the deficit to 10, and then Thibs brings back Randle  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/26/2022 9:27 pm : link
and Kemba.

Book it.
Lol Obi, Grimes and Quick all ahead of the field  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:29 pm : link
Gibson gives it to Burks and they completely slow it down
Come out in the 4th  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 9:30 pm : link
With
RJ
Quick
Grimes
Obi
Mitch
Run them until they fall down
I give you guys credit for continuing to watch -  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2022 9:31 pm : link
I'm following online on ESPN and BBI but have moved on when it comes to TV.
Thibs has only gotten mad  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:32 pm : link
when the bench has done something wrong, never did or said anything when the starters f'd up
RE: I give you guys credit for continuing to watch -  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15577129 Del Shofner said:
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I'm following online on ESPN and BBI but have moved on when it comes to TV.


its a sickness
Reddish for Burks, yay.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 9:37 pm : link
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Here comes Cam  
larryflower37 : 1/26/2022 9:38 pm : link
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JVG continues  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 9:38 pm : link
to destroy the starters and praise the bench.
I mean Van Gundy gets it after watching one game  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 9:40 pm : link
Why the hell doesn’t Thibs see it?
RE: JVG continues  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15577139 bceagle05 said:
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to destroy the starters and praise the bench.


I mean its so obvious my wife who never watches basketball can see it
Now bring Rj for Gibson  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:42 pm : link
and lets really see them run
RE: RE: I give you guys credit for continuing to watch -  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2022 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15577131 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15577129 Del Shofner said:


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I'm following online on ESPN and BBI but have moved on when it comes to TV.



its a sickness


I share it, brother - I go back to the Howard Komives years.
Obi shooting with confidence.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 9:46 pm : link
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RE: Obi shooting with confidence.  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15577150 bceagle05 said:
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Thats the shot that could make him an offensive force
It's unfiar to RJ that he gets banished to the bench and can't play  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 9:49 pm : link
with the kids because the rest of the starters suck shit and ran the heat ran them off the court
This is what i just saw on twitter  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 9:55 pm : link
This is what i was talking about earlier with Randle

https://twitter.com/asvpkb/status/1486527464276955137
Grimes, Obi and Quick  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 9:57 pm : link
are +15 in a game they are are losing by 17
Just based off of that sequence  
Mike in NJ : 1/26/2022 10:00 pm : link
The alley oop and then steal, Sims should be getting minutes over Taj.
JVG with the knockout punch:  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 10:02 pm : link
“Knicks found some effort and energy in the draft (Deuce/Grimes) that, quite frankly, the veterans can learn from.”
He mentioned Sims too.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 10:02 pm : link
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RE: Just based off of that sequence  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15577165 Mike in NJ said:
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The alley oop and then steal, Sims should be getting minutes over Taj.


Nope god forbid the team goes with the athletic players
RE: This is what i just saw on twitter  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15577159 Giantfan21 said:
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This is what i was talking about earlier with Randle

https://twitter.com/asvpkb/status/1486527464276955137


He has to be traded and i think he wants a trade
Make JVG the coach  
Giantfan21 : 1/26/2022 10:06 pm : link
He was on point all game about this team
Randle’s been an asshole all season.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 10:07 pm : link
Just a moody, miserable prick. It’s past the point of no return with him. Thanks for last season.
RE: Randle’s been an asshole all season.  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15577176 bceagle05 said:
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Just a moody, miserable prick. It’s past the point of no return with him. Thanks for last season.


Its really weird, like its not just the bad shooting, hebjust looks aglngry and unhappy..

Last year if he didnt shoot well he at least played hard and defended..

Would really love to know what happened
Randle minus 34 in 27  
Del Shofner : 1/26/2022 10:32 pm : link
Obi plus 20 in the other 21

trade and fire please
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Are the young guys  
Mook80 : 1/26/2022 10:44 pm : link
who Thibs seemingly refuses to play actual legit players who can be good starters down the road or are they more bench energy guys on a good team.

Thibs is a good coach but a poor fit for this group
RE: Are the young guys  
nygiants16 : 1/26/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15577196 Mook80 said:
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who Thibs seemingly refuses to play actual legit players who can be good starters down the road or are they more bench energy guys on a good team.

Thibs is a good coach but a poor fit for this group


Rj legit starter
Grimes legit starter
Quick combination
Obi combination
Reddish i think can be a legit starter but i am high on him
Mitch legit starter
Deuce Change of pace, lockdown defender
RE: Are the young guys  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15577196 Mook80 said:
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who Thibs seemingly refuses to play actual legit players who can be good starters down the road or are they more bench energy guys on a good team.

Probably the latter for most, but RJ and Grimes could start on good teams. Obi need to improve the three point shot to average 20ppg. I don’t see any perennial All-Stars though.
Shockingly, Julius didn’t meet the media.  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 10:57 pm : link
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RE: RE: Are the young guys  
Mike from SI : 1/26/2022 11:38 pm : link
In comment 15577199 bceagle05 said:
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who Thibs seemingly refuses to play actual legit players who can be good starters down the road or are they more bench energy guys on a good team.


Probably the latter for most, but RJ and Grimes could start on good teams. Obi need to improve the three point shot to average 20ppg. I don’t see any perennial All-Stars though.


Cam could maybe start right now. Obi can turn into a starter but I do think he'd be less effective playing starter minutes. RJ is obvi a starter and everything should flow through him from now on.
Five straight for the Hawks.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 12:24 am : link
They’re gonna leave us in the dust too and we’ll be bottom four in the East, after being top four last year. Sucks, but not the end of the world.
The ship is sunk  
PhilSimms15 : 1/27/2022 5:55 am : link
I’m embarrassed to be a fan of this team and for the first time in a very long time, I did not turn on the game. Between the horrendous first quarters, Randle moping around the court and Thibs sitting with his hands over his ears, eyes and mouth — the team is maybe the worst to watch over the past 20 years. And with this franchise, that’s saying a lot. Knick management must make moves to stop this ugly, offensive basketball because if the don’t, they are going to lose their impressionable young players and their fans.
RE: The ship is sunk  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:18 am : link
In comment 15577300 PhilSimms15 said:
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I’m embarrassed to be a fan of this team and for the first time in a very long time, I did not turn on the game. Between the horrendous first quarters, Randle moping around the court and Thibs sitting with his hands over his ears, eyes and mouth — the team is maybe the worst to watch over the past 20 years. And with this franchise, that’s saying a lot. Knick management must make moves to stop this ugly, offensive basketball because if the don’t, they are going to lose their impressionable young players and their fans.


I think the difference now than in thr past is that this team at least has 6 or 7 young players that you can see have a future in this league..

guy you can get excited about, not necassarily going to be stars but you can see a foundation of young guys
Randle trade  
GMEN46 : 1/27/2022 7:21 am : link
Would you trade Randle, Kemba and Burks for porzingis and Brunson?

Worst case scenario porzingis opts in to his last year 2023/2024 players option, but still 2 years less than Randle albeit at a higher salary. There is a chance he could opt out for a longer term deal at that point or he could be tradable as an expiring. If you decide not to resign mitch he becomes your starting center. Then you run our Brunson, grimes, RJ and Reddish with OBi becoming your 6th man. I don’t think Obi and the zinger could be on the floor together.
GMen 46, where do I sign?  
PhilSimms15 : 1/27/2022 7:43 am : link
I would jump at your hypothetical trade scenario. I am no fan of KP but Randle is single-handily destroying the culture of the club. His body language is awful, he can’t shoot anymore, and he is lazy on defense.

RE: Randle trade  
GNewGiants : 1/27/2022 7:45 am : link
In comment 15577344 GMEN46 said:
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Would you trade Randle, Kemba and Burks for porzingis and Brunson?

Worst case scenario porzingis opts in to his last year 2023/2024 players option, but still 2 years less than Randle albeit at a higher salary. There is a chance he could opt out for a longer term deal at that point or he could be tradable as an expiring. If you decide not to resign mitch he becomes your starting center. Then you run our Brunson, grimes, RJ and Reddish with OBi becoming your 6th man. I don’t think Obi and the zinger could be on the floor together.


Think Dallas hangs the phone up in about .2 seconds.
Begely said  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:51 am : link
A team in contact with the Knicks said Randle is available for the right price..

Also in Macri's newsletter he said players are frustrated with how some players are treated compared to others in the locker room. Apparently the front office was not happy with how Fournier reacted to the news of the Kemba benching.

Seems like players are getting sick of Randle as well
This group of starters does not work.  
Heisenberg : 1/27/2022 8:04 am : link
Gotta make some changes. I know Leon will do some stuff at the trade deadline. At this point, I kinda hope we just trade vets and let the kids play. Bring back the tank!
RE: This group of starters does not work.  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 8:07 am : link
In comment 15577385 Heisenberg said:
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Gotta make some changes. I know Leon will do some stuff at the trade deadline. At this point, I kinda hope we just trade vets and let the kids play. Bring back the tank!


Depending on whats left and what is broight back in trades i dont think the team will tank like you think
NY Post on Randle's  
Del Shofner : 1/27/2022 8:43 am : link
'unimaginable spiral'
Link - ( New Window )
..  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:00 am : link
Players on the roster i would Keep post deadline:

Rj, Mitch, Grimes, Quick, Reddish, Toppin, Deuce, Rose, Gibson (as a vet not in the rotation), Fournier(if he comes off the bench), Sims.

Get rid of Randle, Kemba, Burks

With Fournier if you can trade him, trade him but i am not giving up assets to get rid of him
I think this upcoming trade deadline will tell us a lot about the FO  
Mike in NJ : 1/27/2022 9:09 am : link
I think there were a lot of questions during the offseason about why they chose to "run it back" by re-signing most of the core pieces from last year's playoff run and adding Fournier/Walker. It seemed like the line of thinking was that they wanted to stay competitive while also signing those guys to short term contracts that allowed them to remain flexible in the trade market.

Well, 40+ games in and it seems obvious that running it back wasn't such a good idea. It is pretty clear that outside of Rose when he is healthy, all of the vets that they allocated money to this offseason don't mesh with the young core that they have put together. I don't know what they have in Barrett, Toppin, Grimes, Quickley, Robinson, Reddish, etc. but I do know it's a group that's strengths and ideal style of play is something very different than the group of Randle, Walker, Fournier, Burks, and Gibson.

It's time to pivot, they need to do whatever they can to move on from the vets that are currently on the roster. Regardless of their poor play to start this year, Randle, Fournier, and Burks should still be able to net something of value in return. There is no reason to continue trotting this same lineup out there, and part of me wonders if the one of the reasons that Thibs continues to do it is because they feel by benching these guys it hurts their trade value.

Mike agreed  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:21 am : link
Front office made a mistake this offseason, and it happens sometimes the way you think its going to go doesnt pan out, it happens..

The good front offices sees the mistakes and makes changes, the bad ones are stubborn and say it will work and not do anything becaise they are afraid to look bad..

It happens, the good news is it looks like they have drafted really well and they have some young guys on this roster that can start a foundation
Yeah I mentioned earlier this isn't the end of the world  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 9:26 am : link
as long as you don't compound the problem with panic moves. Randle is the only big issue that has to be dealt with - Knicks fans have seen enough guys check out on NY to know Randle has checked out on NY. Just deal him for a decent return, deal Burks for a future pick, and waive/bench Kemba if you can't find a trade partner for him.

I also agree with keeping Fournier - wouldn't surprise me at all to see him improve when the dead weight is gone. He's not some terrible player.
At this point, I don't even care how many games they win  
Mike in NJ : 1/27/2022 9:54 am : link
I just want to enjoy watching the Knicks again for the second half of this season. I only tune in at this point to watch the young guys, and end up just getting pissed off watching Randle hijack the games.

Trot out a lineup of Quickley, Grimes, Barrett, Toppin, Robinson. Give McBride, Reddish, Sims significant minutes off the bench. Even if they only win 10 games the rest of the way, at least they will play an exciting, energetic brand of basketball that will be fun to watch.
RE: At this point, I don't even care how many games they win  
adamg : 1/27/2022 10:01 am : link
In comment 15577672 Mike in NJ said:
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I just want to enjoy watching the Knicks again for the second half of this season. I only tune in at this point to watch the young guys, and end up just getting pissed off watching Randle hijack the games.

Trot out a lineup of Quickley, Grimes, Barrett, Toppin, Robinson. Give McBride, Reddish, Sims significant minutes off the bench. Even if they only win 10 games the rest of the way, at least they will play an exciting, energetic brand of basketball that will be fun to watch.


+ a billion dude.

Totally want to see RJ as the focal point of this team with Grimes, IQ, Deuce, Cam, and Toppin getting their minutes.
If they can swing Brunson and Barnes as pieces  
adamg : 1/27/2022 10:04 am : link
That would be perfect imo. They'd add the perfect vet combination to our needs. Would allow Cam to pencil in as the backup 2-3. Let Obi come of the bench.

No reason to have Fournier, Burks, Randle, and Kemba on the team. Even Noel is an extra part we don't need right now.
Great thing about playing Miami  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 10:05 am : link
is you find out which guys on your team want to compete and which guys are just going through the motions and collecting paychecks.
It was too bad RJ got lump in with the other starters  
adamg : 1/27/2022 10:06 am : link
I want to see him on the floor as the #1 option on offense with the kids orbiting around him doing their thing. The RJ-Obi chemistry is building.
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DanMetroMan : 1/27/2022 10:31 am : link
NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
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Report: A framework of Duncan Robinson for Christian Wood has circulated around the league

“Houston appears to require far more to part with their frontcourt centerpiece.”
Begely said there was a team in touch about Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 10:59 am : link
i talked to my guy, he said it was the Kings, they want Randle, Knicks said Randle for Fox...Kings prefer something like Barnes and a pick for randle..

See where it goes
Barnes and a pick is fine.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 11:02 am : link
Barnes is a solid player who's got one more year left on his deal for a measly $18 million. I would take that deal and run.
How  
DanMetroMan : 1/27/2022 11:04 am : link
about Randle, Fournier and Noel for Westbrook, THT and the Lakers and Bulls 2nd round picks in 2023 (the first picks the Lakers can move). Westbrook has 1 year remaining. The Knicks could also buyout Westbrook before next season and build around RJ, Toppin, Reddish, THT, Mitch, McBride, IQ, Grimes and the Knicks would have 6 2023 2nd round picks.
Fournier had an interesting comment last night  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 11:10 am : link
about adapting and not doing the same thing over and over again
The next star to be rumored to NY and never come  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 11:25 am : link

NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
The ‘incessant buzz around’ the league is that there are those in Donovan Mitchell’s circle who believe he is too big of a star for Salt Lake City, per
@RicBucher


East Scout: “They’re a first-round exit from Donovan being in New York
RE: Begely said there was a team in touch about Randle  
adamg : 1/27/2022 11:35 am : link
In comment 15577860 nygiants16 said:
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i talked to my guy, he said it was the Kings, they want Randle, Knicks said Randle for Fox...Kings prefer something like Barnes and a pick for randle..

See where it goes


Happy to hear this. It make sense for both teams.
If we can get Barnes and an unprotected first  
adamg : 1/27/2022 11:36 am : link
That would be pretty sweet.
At this point  
JohninSC : 1/27/2022 11:46 am : link
this team is just not fun to watch unless you're player watching. Offense is Fizdale-like at times.

Everyone knows my stance on Randle. Gotta get rid of him.

Team lacks heart. Complete 180 from lasts years team.
RE: RE: Begely said there was a team in touch about Randle  
Heisenberg : 1/27/2022 11:56 am : link
In comment 15578010 adamg said:
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In comment 15577860 nygiants16 said:


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i talked to my guy, he said it was the Kings, they want Randle, Knicks said Randle for Fox...Kings prefer something like Barnes and a pick for randle..

See where it goes



Happy to hear this. It make sense for both teams.


It does make sense for both teams, I guess. I'd much rather Fox but ok. Crazy that it is already at this point. So hard to imagine Randle flaming out as quickly as he did but oof. He's fucking miserable here right now and watching him play is making me miserable too.
RE: RE: RE: Begely said there was a team in touch about Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 11:59 am : link
In comment 15578092 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15578010 adamg said:


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In comment 15577860 nygiants16 said:


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i talked to my guy, he said it was the Kings, they want Randle, Knicks said Randle for Fox...Kings prefer something like Barnes and a pick for randle..

See where it goes



Happy to hear this. It make sense for both teams.



It does make sense for both teams, I guess. I'd much rather Fox but ok. Crazy that it is already at this point. So hard to imagine Randle flaming out as quickly as he did but oof. He's fucking miserable here right now and watching him play is making me miserable too.


what i want to know is what happened, he lead the team in scoring 6 of the first 11 games and the team had energy..

then all of sudden it went downhill and hr looks miseable
To bad Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 12:26 pm : link
cant just sit Randle for a week before he is eligible to be traded
Randle  
TyreeHelmet : 1/27/2022 12:38 pm : link
I loved everything he did last year and watching him play. But I think it's too far gone at this point. They have to move him and get off that contract if they can.

Leon Rose had a terrible offseason. Randle extension, Noel contract, Fournier signings etc. He needs to be better and hasn't proven much as a GM yet. Would be nice to hear speak once in awhile too.

Last night was hard to watch. Starters clearly quit. It was only one play but it was hard to watch Barrett not go after Duncan Robinson 1v1 on a fast break.

Thibs has no choice at this point but to play some of the younger guys over the vets. They flat out give them a better chance to win.
RE: Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15578232 TyreeHelmet said:
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I loved everything he did last year and watching him play. But I think it's too far gone at this point. They have to move him and get off that contract if they can.

Leon Rose had a terrible offseason. Randle extension, Noel contract, Fournier signings etc. He needs to be better and hasn't proven much as a GM yet. Would be nice to hear speak once in awhile too.

Last night was hard to watch. Starters clearly quit. It was only one play but it was hard to watch Barrett not go after Duncan Robinson 1v1 on a fast break.

Thibs has no choice at this point but to play some of the younger guys over the vets. They flat out give them a better chance to win.


I dont think you can really judge Rose yet, He gave out some team friendly deals to try and build off last uear and it hasnt worked..

He has made some good moves and some bad moves but nothing that has hamstrung them to the point of no return..

They have added quality young players with room for growth..

and anyonr of us would of given Randle that contract..
I run hot and cold with my attention to the NBA  
bigbluehoya : 1/27/2022 12:53 pm : link
and I surely know less than most here, but it sure did feel last year like Randle was playing well above his ceiling. It felt like too many tough shots were falling too frequently.

Once that dries up, he's little more than a ball stopper.

Kind of surprising to hear that a team as bad as the kings has interest in him.
Everyone is surprised  
JohninSC : 1/27/2022 12:57 pm : link
Randle has fallen. He's had one outlier of a year in his career. And that was last year. He hasn't fallen. He just reverted back to the player he has always been.

RE: Everyone is surprised  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15578306 JohninSC said:
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Randle has fallen. He's had one outlier of a year in his career. And that was last year. He hasn't fallen. He just reverted back to the player he has always been.


This isnt exactly true, he has been a good player throughout his career, last year he took it to another level..

but this year is something different...
Begley said that a team that had been in touch  
shyster : 1/27/2022 1:09 pm : link
with the Knicks, for reasons unspecified, came away with the impression that Knicks were making Randle available.

He did not say that team had gotten in touch with the Knicks to ask about Randle.

There's a difference.
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Anyone that kills the Knicks for signing Randle to that extension  
CooperDash : 1/27/2022 2:17 pm : link
has no idea what they are talking about. Rose did exactly what he and every other team would have done - try to lock up a young, improving all-star player. Coming off of his last season, it was a no brainer. How many times have you seen a player, across all sports, capitalize off of a great year? All the time. It’s always a risk, but one you have to take. No issues there.

It sucks that Randle has taken a step backwards, but that’s not what really bugs me. It’s his attitude. He talked a big game last season when things were going well and now when adversity hits, he can’t handle or overcome it. See ya. I have no room for low basketball IQ, drama filled, underperforming players. Especially when they are supposed to be a leader. Randle has to go.
I want to know  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 2:25 pm : link
when they are watching film, does anyone call him out? coaches, players anybody? I mean if you are Randle and you see yourself on video and you still dont change something is up..

RE: I want to know  
JohninSC : 1/27/2022 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15578573 nygiants16 said:
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when they are watching film, does anyone call him out? coaches, players anybody? I mean if you are Randle and you see yourself on video and you still dont change something is up..


Literally on Thibs. That's his job. Benching him would send a signal to the entire team.
Not posting this to dunk on Randle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2022 3:45 pm : link
But this looks bad and I don't know how to explain it.

I just do not know how you can keep  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 3:55 pm : link
trotting him out there but we all know what the change will be..

Burks for Kemba..

Thibs wouldnt even say the starters played bad yesterday, he basically said it was everyone
we've seen so much bad basketball  
Enzo : 1/27/2022 4:04 pm : link
and had plenty of characters on this team, but I don't recall a key guy just dogging it like this over an extended period of time - and not facing any repercussions.

RE: we've seen so much bad basketball  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15578829 Enzo said:
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and had plenty of characters on this team, but I don't recall a key guy just dogging it like this over an extended period of time - and not facing any repercussions.


He is playing like he is throwing games
The distance traveled and average speed are pretty damning  
Mike in NJ : 1/27/2022 4:09 pm : link
but even more so compared to Obi Toppin. You could have said maybe it had something to do with the position he plays and how he's asked to play defensively, but Toppin being on the total opposite end of the spectrum says otherwise.
You can say you expected a regrssion in shooting  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:12 pm : link
We have all seen slumps, this isnt a slump, he looks miserable, he looks like someone took his talent, its just odd
RE: Begely said there was a team in touch about Randle  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15577860 nygiants16 said:
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i talked to my guy, he said it was the Kings, they want Randle, Knicks said Randle for Fox...Kings prefer something like Barnes and a pick for randle..

See where it goes


Can confirm this.

Thanks to you both.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 4:44 pm : link
Seems clear this is heading for a divorce - Knicks shouldn't get too greedy or delay the inevitable.
There’s people outside the Knicks  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 4:48 pm : link
That think if a Randle trade happens it’s a three way deal that sends Brunson to the Knicks.

I think a fourth team would have to get involved, like Cleveland. Only real path to that I can see is:

To NY: Rubio, Barnes, Brunson, Kings Top Prot

To Sac: Randle

To Dal: Quickly and Cavs Protected First, Dallas Pick Knicks own

To Cle: Fournier
My question would be can Fox and Rj work together  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:50 pm : link
I think they could if they were surrounded by shooters and defenders..

Kind of Like how Derozan and Lavine works, they are the 2 scorers and surrounded by shooters and defenders and 1 is on court at all times
I am happy there is smoke around Randle.  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2022 4:56 pm : link
NY media is jumping on it, at this point I feel it's addition by subtraction.
Also Thibs is under fire which hopefully pushes him to change the lineups.
RE: There’s people outside the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15578923 ajr2456 said:
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That think if a Randle trade happens it’s a three way deal that sends Brunson to the Knicks.

I think a fourth team would have to get involved, like Cleveland. Only real path to that I can see is:

To NY: Rubio, Barnes, Brunson, Kings Top Prot

To Sac: Randle

To Dal: Quickly and Cavs Protected First, Dallas Pick Knicks own

To Cle: Fournier


This would be something i would do in a second, i just dont see cavs taking Fournker
RE: The distance traveled and average speed are pretty damning  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/27/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15578837 Mike in NJ said:
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but even more so compared to Obi Toppin. You could have said maybe it had something to do with the position he plays and how he's asked to play defensively, but Toppin being on the total opposite end of the spectrum says otherwise.


Toppin aside, he's getting out-worked by Old Man River Taj Gibson.
I like IQ but he's a fairly small price to pay  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 5:04 pm : link
for trading Randle and Fournier and getting Brunson. That would salvage this entire season.
RE: RE: There’s people outside the Knicks  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15578942 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15578923 ajr2456 said:


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That think if a Randle trade happens it’s a three way deal that sends Brunson to the Knicks.

I think a fourth team would have to get involved, like Cleveland. Only real path to that I can see is:

To NY: Rubio, Barnes, Brunson, Kings Top Prot

To Sac: Randle

To Dal: Quickly and Cavs Protected First, Dallas Pick Knicks own

To Cle: Fournier



This would be something i would do in a second, i just dont see cavs taking Fournker


Could probably figure out it and make it Burks with Knicks sending Dallas their 1st back and Cavs sending a 2nd to Dallas. More cash would need to move around I think
Apparently Randle got a fan thrown out last night  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 6:08 pm : link
the fan called wfan and explained what happened, he claims no cursing and all hr said was that Randle was a waste of 113 million and them in the 4th said he was a -34...

Alao Windhorst claims Knicks are trying to trade Kemba, Fournier and Burka to open up playing time for young players
Up to 8 teams have been keeping tabs on Randle  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:18 pm : link
Except more than he Kings to start reaching out
RE: Up to 8 teams have been keeping tabs on Randle  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15579024 ajr2456 said:
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Except more than he Kings to start reaching out


Packers are one.
*  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:29 pm : link
Pacers*
RE: *  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15579036 ajr2456 said:
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Pacers*


For Sabonis or Turner?
RE: RE: *  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15579037 nygiants16 said:
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Pacers*



For Sabonis or Turner?


They’ve just kept tabs on him so not sure, but would have to be one of them. I wonder if an Embid/Randle pairing could work and can work out something like Cj to Knicks, randle to Philly, Tobias to blazers
I hate that it has come to this  
djm : 1/27/2022 6:52 pm : link
Only the Knicks.... never ends.
RE: Apparently Randle got a fan thrown out last night  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15579014 nygiants16 said:
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the fan called wfan and explained what happened, he claims no cursing and all hr said was that Randle was a waste of 113 million and them in the 4th said he was a -34...

Alao Windhorst claims Knicks are trying to trade Kemba, Fournier and Burka to open up playing time for young players


Randle is not long for NY @ this rate. LAL vs. 76ers tonight...should be a good one on TNT.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 6:55 pm : link
Lots of blame to go around with the Knicks, but Thibs deserves a lot of it. A lot. He's been awful this season.
Randle  
five5 : 1/27/2022 6:56 pm : link
This board is destroying him and you think they will deal Sabonis for him? It’s more likely a deal that would involve Levert.
RE: Randle  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15579062 five5 said:
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This board is destroying him and you think they will deal Sabonis for him? It’s more likely a deal that would involve Levert.


It wouldnt be Randle for Sabonis straight up...
RE: I hate that it has come to this  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15579053 djm said:
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Only the Knicks.... never ends.


Relax its not that big of a deal
RE: The distance traveled and average speed are pretty damning  
Mike from SI : 1/27/2022 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15578837 Mike in NJ said:
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but even more so compared to Obi Toppin. You could have said maybe it had something to do with the position he plays and how he's asked to play defensively, but Toppin being on the total opposite end of the spectrum says otherwise.


I hate to slightly defend Randle, but it's not fair to compare a bench guy to a starter on a lot of these metrics. If you know you're only gonna play 10-15 minutes every night, you can give much more energy than if you know it's going to be 35 minutes. Think of it like running different length races. The people in the longer races can't go as close to 100% (until the very end).
This will likely change by season's end  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 7:06 pm : link
but if the playoffs started today the 4/5 matchup in the East would be Brooklyn/Milwaukee. I would absolutely love that.
I love Sabonis' game...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:07 pm : link
I have a soft spot for his old man too. I would have loved if he had spent a majority of his career in the NBA.
RE: This will likely change by season's end  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15579085 bceagle05 said:
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but if the playoffs started today the 4/5 matchup in the East would be Brooklyn/Milwaukee. I would absolutely love that.


The Cavs-the FUCKING Cavs-are 1.5 or something back of the #1 seed. Insane NBA season.
RE: RE: I hate that it has come to this  
djm : 1/27/2022 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15579076 nygiants16 said:
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Only the Knicks.... never ends.



Relax its not that big of a deal


We have an all (second team) nba player that we can’t wait to run out of town. A guy we basically discovered and developed and were this close to scorched earth. It is a big deal, we’re just used to the shit show that is the Knicks.

We may get fair value in return but something tells me the player we get back won’t approach nba all second team.

Whatever works. I’m used to it. At least we have our picks!
djm.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:11 pm : link
I'd rather have Sabonis than Randle. He's a few years younger, isn't the headcase JR is, & similar talent. I think Sabonis would be a fan favorite in NY.
RE: RE: This will likely change by season's end  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15579089 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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but if the playoffs started today the 4/5 matchup in the East would be Brooklyn/Milwaukee. I would absolutely love that.



The Cavs-the FUCKING Cavs-are 1.5 or something back of the #1 seed. Insane NBA season.


I mean Wiggins is an all star starter lol
Randle and the Knicks 2022 unprotected for Sabonis?  
adamg : 1/27/2022 7:15 pm : link
Does the salary work?
RE: RE: RE: I hate that it has come to this  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 7:15 pm : link
In comment 15579093 djm said:
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We may get fair value in return but something tells me the player we get back won’t approach nba all second team.

But do you think Randle will be a second team All-NBA player at any point going forward? I think it's safe to say we've already gotten the only great basketball we're going to get out of the guy, unfortunately.
RE: RE: RE: I hate that it has come to this  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15579093 djm said:
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Only the Knicks.... never ends.



Relax its not that big of a deal



We have an all (second team) nba player that we can’t wait to run out of town. A guy we basically discovered and developed and were this close to scorched earth. It is a big deal, we’re just used to the shit show that is the Knicks.

We may get fair value in return but something tells me the player we get back won’t approach nba all second team.

Whatever works. I’m used to it. At least we have our picks!


Knicks have young players and a bunch of picks, the Knicks are not in the worst position in the world..

Fans are not running Randle out of town, he is doing it to himself..
I look at Randle like Russell for thr Nets  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:19 pm : link
they had great seasons but in the end they were not going to be the players to lead or be apart of the team that makes thr Knicks or nets contenders
I agree with bc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 7:23 pm : link
I think '20-'21 was Randle's apex.

I don't know what's going on with him. He pens the article in the Players Tribune waxing about he loves being a Knick & now he's giving the thumbs down-a FU to the fans-& having fans ejected? Is the $ & thus pressure getting to him? Perhaps. I am just ready to move on. I think it is best for all parties.
Maybe Randle wants another Most Improved Player Award  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 7:26 pm : link
so he decided to tank this season to prep for a comeback.
RE: I agree with bc.  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15579113 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think '20-'21 was Randle's apex.

I don't know what's going on with him. He pens the article in the Players Tribune waxing about he loves being a Knick & now he's giving the thumbs down-a FU to the fans-& having fans ejected? Is the $ & thus pressure getting to him? Perhaps. I am just ready to move on. I think it is best for all parties.


I expected the shooting numbers to come down, i expected the ppg to go down but this is more than that, this is just a lack of focus, lack of everything..

Something happened in that locker room where Randle basically said i dont care anymore and part of me thinka he has asked to be traded..

Its gotten so bad that i dont think he can be on the team post deadline..

You can see it is the young guys team, whether the vets or Thibs likes it, the young guys are taking over and they are the best players on this team..

Now the vets can support them and take a backseat to them or they can go the f away
I really don't want to include IQ in any deals either  
adamg : 1/27/2022 8:54 pm : link
IQ/RJ/Obi/Grimes/Mitch/Deuce/Cam those are the core. No reason to get rid of any of them particularly for older players.

I'd really rather include extra future picks than any of those guys.

I think Dan said it earlier  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:02 pm : link
If Lakers would take Randle Fournier, Burks and Kemba for westbrook and THT..i would do it..

Knicks could play the Kids with Rose and Gibson with westbrook..

Westbrook and Rj could bw your scorers with the pieces around them, Westbrook is best out in transition same with the young kids and westbrook can attack the paint that Thibs likes..
I don't even watch the games any more so you guys have  
arniefez : 1/27/2022 9:15 pm : link
every right to tell me to shut the F up. But the Knicks did it again. They signed a guy to a huge long term contract after a good regular season with no fans (so not real NBA basketball) who got exposed in playoffs for what he really is before he got the contract and now they're screwed again. What a shock.
RE: I don't even watch the games any more so you guys have  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15579257 arniefez said:
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every right to tell me to shut the F up. But the Knicks did it again. They signed a guy to a huge long term contract after a good regular season with no fans (so not real NBA basketball) who got exposed in playoffs for what he really is before he got the contract and now they're screwed again. What a shock.


How are they screwed? First off any team would of signed Randle to that contract, it was an absolute steal even if he regressed a little bit, bo one saw this coming.

Second Kbicks have probably 6 or 7 young guys that they can either build for the future with or use in a trade for a star, Knicks have drafted really well..

Third they arent in cap hell, they have plenty of flexibility.

fourth they have something like 15 picks in 4 years, they have a ton of draft capitol..

I wouldnt say they are screwed at all, are they going to make the playoffs? probably not but their future isnt effected by this year..

and no i am not telling you to f off because you admit you dont watch
RE: I really don't want to include IQ in any deals either  
ajr2456 : 1/27/2022 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15579227 adamg said:
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IQ/RJ/Obi/Grimes/Mitch/Deuce/Cam those are the core. No reason to get rid of any of them particularly for older players.

I'd really rather include extra future picks than any of those guys.


They’ve hung up the phone so far on any IQ involved deals
Zach Lowe  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 9:47 pm : link
said Knicks are trying to trade Fournier..

Also said teams are trying to get IQ thibking Knicks are desperate for a quick fix
RE: RE: I really don't want to include IQ in any deals either  
adamg : 1/27/2022 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15579279 ajr2456 said:
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IQ/RJ/Obi/Grimes/Mitch/Deuce/Cam those are the core. No reason to get rid of any of them particularly for older players.

I'd really rather include extra future picks than any of those guys.




They’ve hung up the phone so far on any IQ involved deals


Good. He and Grimes are probably attractive to other teams, but they should building blocks here.
CP from KnicksFanTV  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 10:42 pm : link
saying one of his sources - he calls him “the plug” - told him two weeks ago the Knicks started putting Randle’s name out there in trade talks, and don’t be surprised if he’s dealt at the deadline or this summer.

CP also reminded everyone this front office was shopping Julius that first off-season prior to his breakout year.
RE: CP from KnicksFanTV  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15579320 bceagle05 said:
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saying one of his sources - he calls him “the plug” - told him two weeks ago the Knicks started putting Randle’s name out there in trade talks, and don’t be surprised if he’s dealt at the deadline or this summer.

CP also reminded everyone this front office was shopping Julius that first off-season prior to his breakout year.


Also said all the vets are up for sale
I dont see how you can go past the deadline  
nygiants16 : 1/27/2022 10:52 pm : link
with Randle still on this team
Yeah, feels like we’re at the end.  
bceagle05 : 1/27/2022 11:13 pm : link
Oh well. Sacramento’s in town soon - let’s make a deal.
RE: I dont see how you can go past the deadline  
larryflower37 : 1/27/2022 11:37 pm : link
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with Randle still on this team


I would be more surprised if he gets traded.
Also Thibs is not the right coach for the kids on this team, I don't think he has the patience or wants to coach a bunch of younger players.

They have a bunch of decisions to be made over the next 6 months that will determine the direction of the franchise.
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