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pretty damning quote from Mara - reflective of Gettleman imo

Andy in Boston : 1/26/2022 3:38 pm
@Ralphvacchiano
referencing Joe Schoen:
"He has really strong communication skills and is going to be able to unite the building. The communication hasn't been the greatest in the building over the last couple of years. With Joe's addition, that will get straightened out."


Yikes...what the hell was going on there?
No one could decipher  
bceagle05 : 1/26/2022 3:39 pm : link
DG's accent.
Not entirely  
Sammo85 : 1/26/2022 3:40 pm : link
I think its an indictment of their own organization and why they ripped bandaid approach of GM-HC off.

Pretty clear it's also on the HCs.

Shurmur was very mild-milquetoast and deferential on things. Judge was apparently unapproachable in some ways.
Gettleman just walked up and down the halls  
Mike from Ohio : 1/26/2022 3:40 pm : link
in his bathrobe muttering "Rome wasn't built in a day dahlin" and "where are my computah guys?"

Most people just tried to avoid him when he was making his rounds.
Those who live in glasses houses shouldn't throw stones  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/26/2022 3:41 pm : link
John.
Gettleman was known to be a pompous asshole  
Heisenberg : 1/26/2022 3:41 pm : link
Schoen seems to be the opposite of that. Gettleman was all "me, me, me" and Schoen is preaching "entire building pulling in the same direction". Has to be music to Mara's ears after how bad it's gotten there.

Does make it even more odd that they let DG have his farewell tour like they did.
Isn't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/26/2022 3:44 pm : link
Chris Mara's title Senior Vice President of Player Personnel? Did he have a role in communication issues?
Seems like Mara really unloaded  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/26/2022 3:44 pm : link
with all these different statements.

The word "Unite" in that sentence says a lot. I wonder if our resident asshats know more, but I guess I would also assume it had a lot with Gettleman not being on the same page as others including the HC. Remember how there were rumors that Judge wanted a hand in the GM search?

I wonder if he could also be referring to Daboll here with both him and Schoen being on the same page.
DG and Judge did not see eye to eye  
UberAlias : 1/26/2022 3:44 pm : link
Is out there. They seem to recognize one thing at least which is that GM and HC need to be pulling in same direction. That was one of the clear messages we heard today.
I mean if communication isn't going well  
Andy in Boston : 1/26/2022 3:45 pm : link
and I presume it's among scouts to personnel to the GM...maybe the coaches; isn't that the responsibility of the "General Manager?" ....amazing.
Mara sure has a gift  
Enzo : 1/26/2022 3:46 pm : link
for making himself and this team look worse every time he speaks publicly.
RE: Isn't  
Sammo85 : 1/26/2022 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15576380 Eric from BBI said:
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Chris Mara's title Senior Vice President of Player Personnel? Did he have a role in communication issues?


Think about culture/communication in an environment where there is a quasi owner with lofty title and hands in the scouting department and a nephew of the owners who has an actual scouting/personnel management position (McDonnell).

One thing that's common in many companies/units is you get cliques. It's clear there is a "yes-man" brigade in the front office that tries to gloss over and keep feeding bad decisions again and again.

This is why I'm willing to be patient, but a bit sickened by the obsession with making it work with Barkley and Jones at moment (the ship has really sailed on Barkley, and might need to on Jones too).
RE: Mara sure has a gift  
UberAlias : 1/26/2022 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15576390 Enzo said:
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for making himself and this team look worse every time he speaks publicly.
They are acknowledging and owning to issues here. This is bad thing?
Could you see Lombardi taking over  
gtt350 : 1/26/2022 3:48 pm : link
" What the hell's going on in here? "
I know I'm in the minority....but I actually like Mara.  
Andy in Boston : 1/26/2022 3:49 pm : link
I know you can say he's been incompetent the last 6-7 years, but he seems to take responsibility for it.
Mara  
GF1080 : 1/26/2022 3:51 pm : link
So John recognized this the past few years and just let it happen? Why didn't he try to fix that earlier? He makes himself look worse every time he speaks.
RE: I know I'm in the minority....but I actually like Mara.  
UberAlias : 1/26/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15576405 Andy in Boston said:
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I know you can say he's been incompetent the last 6-7 years, but he seems to take responsibility for it.
There is more than a handful with sharpened pitchforks not matter what is said or done. If they are open about issues with intent to address the reaction is what a shit show. If they don't, it's they're delusional.
RE: Mara  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/26/2022 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15576415 GF1080 said:
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So John recognized this the past few years and just let it happen? Why didn't he try to fix that earlier? He makes himself look worse every time he speaks.


Yea, if only he had some control over who was GM or something... smh

and yet he let DG ruin the cap for 2022

Good job!
RE: RE: Mara sure has a gift  
Enzo : 1/26/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15576399 UberAlias said:
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In comment 15576390 Enzo said:


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for making himself and this team look worse every time he speaks publicly.

They are acknowledging and owning to issues here. This is bad thing?

predictable fanboy take.

Do you really think these "issues" only became problematic recently?
I think anyone  
Matt in SGS : 1/26/2022 3:54 pm : link
who followed the twitter meltdown after Christmas triggered by the Hanlon shot at Verderosa put it all out there for everyone to see. All the political backstabbing.

I'm curious to see the changes that Schoen makes in the coming weeks and months. I'm not sure he will go on the firing brigade like Gettleman did immediately, but I could see him moving on from people in the front office as time moves along, maybe even not until after the draft.
RE: RE: RE: Mara sure has a gift  
UberAlias : 1/26/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15576431 Enzo said:
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In comment 15576399 UberAlias said:


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In comment 15576390 Enzo said:


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for making himself and this team look worse every time he speaks publicly.

They are acknowledging and owning to issues here. This is bad thing?


predictable fanboy take.

Do you really think these "issues" only became problematic recently?
It's the rational take. The miopic take --wait, what -there were some issues -how come everyone wasn't fired immediately is comical.
RE: Chris Mara's title Senior Vice President of Player Personnel ...  
Trainmaster : 1/26/2022 4:03 pm : link
I'm really interested in seeing the new Giants org chart (probably won't be updated until the HC and maybe the OC and DC are in place).

Hoping to see Schoen as President of Football Operations and GM, with Chris Mara in the "co-owner / ownership block" exclusively.

No time to talk  
State Your Name : 1/26/2022 4:12 pm : link
when you busy kicking ass every day!!
RE: RE: Mara sure has a gift  
joeinpa : 1/26/2022 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15576399 UberAlias said:
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In comment 15576390 Enzo said:


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for making himself and this team look worse every time he speaks publicly.

They are acknowledging and owning to issues here. This is bad thing?


No, actually it s a very good thing. Seems Mara is being pretty transparent.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Mara sure has a gift  
Enzo : 1/26/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15576441 UberAlias said:
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In comment 15576431 Enzo said:


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In comment 15576399 UberAlias said:


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In comment 15576390 Enzo said:


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for making himself and this team look worse every time he speaks publicly.

They are acknowledging and owning to issues here. This is bad thing?


predictable fanboy take.

Do you really think these "issues" only became problematic recently?

It's the rational take. The miopic take --wait, what -there were some issues -how come everyone wasn't fired immediately is comical.

uh-huh. Gettleman was here for FOUR years. I'm sure things only recently went bad. Thank God classy Mr. Mara is here to save the day!

The MYOPIC take is thinking Mara is even remotely competent given the heaps of evidence suggesting otherwise. Our only hope is that he eventually finds the right GM/coach by accident. Clearly he has no talent for selecting people for the most important roles in his organization.
RE: Mara sure has a gift  
SleepyOwl : 1/26/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15576390 Enzo said:
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for making himself and this team look worse every time he speaks publicly.


💯
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christian : 1/26/2022 4:26 pm : link
I'm surprised Chris and Tim didn't have a chance at Thanksgiving to slip a note to John.
What do you expect Mara to say?  
jsuds : 1/26/2022 4:28 pm : link
He was actually pretty straightforward without throwing anyone under the bus. That's what they call leadership. I know not many posters enjoy not having someone to snipe at but for shit's sake shut up and let's see what happens.
RE: RE: Isn't  
Snablats : 1/26/2022 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15576394 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 15576380 Eric from BBI said:


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Chris Mara's title Senior Vice President of Player Personnel? Did he have a role in communication issues?



Think about culture/communication in an environment where there is a quasi owner with lofty title and hands in the scouting department and a nephew of the owners who has an actual scouting/personnel management position (McDonnell).

One thing that's common in many companies/units is you get cliques. It's clear there is a "yes-man" brigade in the front office that tries to gloss over and keep feeding bad decisions again and again.

This is why I'm willing to be patient, but a bit sickened by the obsession with making it work with Barkley and Jones at moment (the ship has really sailed on Barkley, and might need to on Jones too).

How has the ship sailed on Barkley? He has suffered injuries and dealt with the same crappy OL and OC that Jones has. Barkley had 2000yds from scrimmage his rookie year. Lets see him in a real offense with a real OL
RE: What do you expect Mara to say?  
Bob from Massachusetts : 1/26/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15576503 jsuds said:
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He was actually pretty straightforward without throwing anyone under the bus. That's what they call leadership. I know not many posters enjoy not having someone to snipe at but for shit's sake shut up and let's see what happens.


I agree. He's owned up to problems in the organization, he's taken responsibility, he's made changes. The issue is whether Shoen is the right person and he hires the right head coach, and we won't know that until they start winning some games.
It has become difficult for Mara to talk about almost any topic  
NYGgolfer : 1/26/2022 5:07 pm : link
without tipping his hand that Dave Gettleman was a disaster in the front office. Topics that have been mentioned needing strong improvement include player evaluation, scouting processes, roster construction, communication, cap, etc.

Mr. Schoen has a lot of work to do. Good thing he is already up to Round 4 with his own draft analyses.



RE: RE: What do you expect Mara to say?  
56n11bestever : 1/27/2022 7:20 am : link
In comment 15576565 Bob from Massachusetts said:
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In comment 15576503 jsuds said:


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He was actually pretty straightforward without throwing anyone under the bus. That's what they call leadership. I know not many posters enjoy not having someone to snipe at but for shit's sake shut up and let's see what happens.



I agree. He's owned up to problems in the organization, he's taken responsibility, he's made changes. The issue is whether Shoen is the right person and he hires the right head coach, and we won't know that until they start winning some games.


It seems like most of the board wants Mara gone which we know won’t happen because they say he is too controlling. So he hires gettleman and judge ok David hire was a shame but he let them manage and failed. Now they don’t understand why Mara did not jump in earlier.

Mara seems to be willing to spend money like he did on judges staff largest staff in the league.

He seems willing to spend money and resources to fix the issues.

My issue is you have a person with money who trusts his people to a fault because he does not know football. Hopefully this time we get the right football guys in the building.
When you are gaving communication issues  
Prude : 1/27/2022 9:21 am : link
In the front office, it's a really dumb move to spend 200m in free agency. Obviously that wasn't a crew that was going to be working together forever. This team just takes bad situations and makes them worse.
Communication Breakdown was an awesome Led Zeppelin song  
MartyNJ1969 : 1/27/2022 10:39 am : link
probably DG favorite.
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