Am I the only one who doesn’t love any of these candidates?

The best but they all make me nervous, but that can just be a product of the last three coaches being so bad.

There's no surefire candidates any year.

I'm fine with Daboll & Flores. I've warmed up to Quinn the more I've read about the staff he'd assemble. Frazier & Graham...Good God no.

He'd be my favorite. Was signed up two years too soon.

He represents exactly what I want. A CEO program builder.

I feel like all these candidates are good coordinators, but don't fit that CEO role. Maybe Flores?

Then no thanks.

so I’ve removed the option of loving a candidate regardless of who it is. There’s downside to anyone we’d bring in outside of some extreme outlier scenario like a Belichick and even then his age would be concerning.

As I've said in previous threads, I'll be surprised if our next coach isn't Daboll or Flores. & I'm fine with either. Frazier or Graham...Good God no.

I'm not excited about anything the Giants do.

But he’s not coming here unfortunately.

Ryan Dunleavy
NFL coach who knows Brian Daboll, Joe Judge and Brian Flores:

‘For the locker room, Flores is going to feel a lot like Joe Judge. It’s going to be the same show. Daboll has been more places, seen it done more ways. That’s a big difference.’

I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes.

In comment 15576990 Route 9 said:

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I'm not excited about anything the Giants do.

TOTALLY!!! I’m very interested, obviously. But they seriously have to show me something before I EVER get excited again.

Would love to bring in Hackett, O'Connell, DeMeco Ryans....

Any way you cut it though it's an underwhelming group this cycle. I don't think it's a coincidence that teams are casting such "wide nets" and "taking their time". I think it's just as much a case of not being blown away by anyone in particular and seeing if someone else can pleasantly surprise in an interview.

You are the only one.

In comment 15577003 Nitro said:

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I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes.

Ok.. and how do you feel about Andy Reid now.

The time to go for big air was in the mid 2010s when they talked to Belichick.

I view this as going one of two ways: Daboll to modernize the offense and develop a new quarterback, or an experienced in Flores or Quinn to bring some much needed stability and experience. Either approach is viable.

I like this group better than the Shurmur or Judge groups.

In comment 15577003 Nitro said:

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I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes.

This take is spectacularly dumb

Who does any significant winning.

I can see a possibility where whoever they hire never wins a playoff game but does lift the franchise from the gutter.

Lol @ Nitro's post

work its way out? No one gives a shit what the BBI morons think!

Bunch of boring bookish guys, they all remind me of insurance salesmen. I was hoping Mara would get out of his way and old ways of thinking and go after a high profile proven winner. Harbaugh would be the guy I wanted them to pursue.

In comment 15577003 Nitro said:

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I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes.

Andy Reid doesn't seem to struggle with it. He's done nothing but field consistently excellent teams for 20 years.

And I really like both 49er coordinators - McDaniel and Ryans a lot. Both are very bright and interesting.

I feel pretty good about Daboll of those who are supposedly in the hunt. He seems like he can develop talent and build an offense to fit the talent (vs sticking square pegs into round holes).

In comment 15577017 Producer said:

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In comment 15577003 Nitro said: Quote: I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes. Ok.. and how do you feel about Andy Reid now.

Well, not really printable given it mostly has to do with the state of his children. And Mahomes could probably take a team coached by a trash can to the playoffs.

In comment 15577034 RCPhoenix said:

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In comment 15577003 Nitro said: Quote: I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes. This take is spectacularly dumb

Found the fatty ;)

The true head coach in the sense of a Parcells, Walsh, Gibbs or Belichick may become more and more rare. It seems that we are increasingly seeing younger candidates with strong schemes on either side of the ball (usually offense). If you are waiting for a Mike Tomlin to be available, you’ll be waiting awhile. Unless you push the envelope and pony up serious draft capital.

Also, these college coaches are getting massive money to coach college, so I don’t see these guys making the jump to the NFL as frequently.

So whether it is Daboll or Flores (I’m fine with either), the bigger concern is building up the front office. The Giants are so far behind with regards to the front office that it’s no wonder they can’t compete. While a throw away line, Schoen talking about how the draft room is still using magnets is telling. We were supposed to believe Dave Gettleman was implementing an analytics process? Please.

Go hire either Daboll or Flores and then add some bodies into the front office. Schoen needs to hire some trusted voices, and most importantly an assistant GM.

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In comment 15577034 RCPhoenix said: Quote: In comment 15577003 Nitro said: Quote: I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes. This take is spectacularly dumb Found the fatty ;)

I guess fat shaming is OK now on BBI?

not? I thought we like to have fun here.

it seemed there were 4 or 5 GM choices that would have seemed inspired and I think the Giants choose one of them. But there are so few really good HCs in the NFL it feels like it's much more difficult to make a good choice. Hopefully whoever the HC is can hire excellent coordinators and an excellent OL coach. That hasn't been the case with the Giants for almost a decade.

In comment 15577061 RCPhoenix said:

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In comment 15577055 Nitro said: Quote: In comment 15577034 RCPhoenix said: Quote: In comment 15577003 Nitro said: Quote: I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes. This take is spectacularly dumb Found the fatty ;) I guess fat shaming is OK now on BBI?

You're awful sensitive to this stuff, huh?

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In comment 15577055 Nitro said: Quote: In comment 15577034 RCPhoenix said: Quote: In comment 15577003 Nitro said: Quote: I'm pretty vehemently anti-fat guy coach, largely going back to the Andy Reid with the Eagles/Charlie Weis at ND days - nothing says 'not a leader' like a guy who cannot quell his addiction to snacks. Daboll is a big boy. I don't know if that really grabs an audience of hyperfit dudes. This take is spectacularly dumb Found the fatty ;) I guess fat shaming is OK now on BBI?

Are you the little fat boy? - ( New Window )

In comment 15577023 Go Terps said:

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The time to go for big air was in the mid 2010s when they talked to Belichick. I view this as going one of two ways: Daboll to modernize the offense and develop a new quarterback, or an experienced in Flores or Quinn to bring some much needed stability and experience. Either approach is viable. I like this group better than the Shurmur or Judge groups.

Totally agree. I do like Flores best but I'm OK with any of those 3.

Not saying anyone here is a sure thing, but the Giants could picking from Lombardi, Belichick, Parcells, Walsh, Johnson, and Shula -- all in their primes -- and you idiots would still be clutching your pearls.

Quinn. He’s had success in Seattle, Atlanta and Dallas - won a Super Bowl and came extremely close to winning two others.

Reid ('13)? Arians ('19)? Gruden ('18)? any others even in contention over the last decade?

Were any of Vrabel, Shanahan, McVay, Lafleur, McDermott, Taylor, Kingsbury, McCarthy, Siriani, Stefanski, etc loved when hired?

that would be a Scheon decision IMO with the Mara ok of course.

I have liked Flores the past couple of years in Miami but the circumstances of his departure from Miami is a concern though it could be nothing. I just don't want a guy who is self-destructive or passive-aggressive (i.e., not talking to his coaches). Also, having a DC background makes him less ideal to me. In any case, I think he can be a success here if the potential "personality" issues are determined to be nothing.

it would be Sean Payton.

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that would be a Scheon decision IMO with the Mara ok of course. I have liked Flores the past couple of years in Miami but the circumstances of his departure from Miami is a concern though it could be nothing. I just don't want a guy who is self-destructive or passive-aggressive (i.e., not talking to his coaches). Also, having a DC background makes him less ideal to me. In any case, I think he can be a success here if the potential "personality" issues are determined to be nothing.

Flores wasn’t even a DC; he jumped from linebackers coach with the Patriots to the Dolphins head coaching job.

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In comment 15577164 SomeFan said: Quote: that would be a Scheon decision IMO with the Mara ok of course. I have liked Flores the past couple of years in Miami but the circumstances of his departure from Miami is a concern though it could be nothing. I just don't want a guy who is self-destructive or passive-aggressive (i.e., not talking to his coaches). Also, having a DC background makes him less ideal to me. In any case, I think he can be a success here if the potential "personality" issues are determined to be nothing. Flores wasn’t even a DC; he jumped from linebackers coach with the Patriots to the Dolphins head coaching job.

Not a deal breaker but I think his background is primarily defense.

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Not saying anyone here is a sure thing, but the Giants could picking from Lombardi, Belichick, Parcells, Walsh, Johnson, and Shula -- all in their primes -- and you idiots would still be clutching your pearls.

Member since 2001 and I can honestly say this is the first time I’ve ever noticed a post of yours. I checked your profile because I assumed you were a new troll being an asshole. You’re pretty fucking irrelevant.

Just have the feeling that the guy who they really need hasn't been identified yet.

have my concerns as do many others.
Just gotta hope we're wrong

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Just have the feeling that the guy who they really need hasn't been identified yet.

This.He may not be available yet.

I can see where Quinn, Daboll, and Flores have merit. Frazier on the other hand..a big f'ing NO.