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David Ojabo - Lorenzo Carter Trade-Off?

M.S. : 1/26/2022 9:00 pm

Do the odds increase that the Giants draft David Ojabo if they decide to let Lorenzo Carter walk?

Or, is it too early to say because we don't know if the Giants will stay in a 3-4 or change to a 4-3?
Or, the Giants need some serious EDGE help  
M.S. : 1/26/2022 9:02 pm : link

so whether Lorenzo Carter stays or goes, the team will still draft at least on EDGE player?
Carter should not factor into the draft whatsoever  
rasbutant : 1/26/2022 9:04 pm : link
I would like to see him stay and still have hopes that one year removed injury he can come back strong. But no way am I or would I want the Giants to count on him. He is a lottery ticket at this point.
This is a very very specific question.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/26/2022 9:14 pm : link
It's really several questions, with two versions of each:

If the Giants are switching to a 4-3, what if Lorenzo Carter leaves? How should they replace him? Should they draft David Ojabo?

If the Giants are staying with a 3-4, what if Lorenzo Carter leaves? How should the Giants replace him? Should they draft David Ojabo?

My half-informed 2-cents worth:

If they are going to the 4-3, George Karlaftis is a very attractive option. There are other Edge rushers who are also good candidates to play 4-3 DE. I don't know enough about Ojabo to know if he'd be a 4-3 LB. Carter might be a 3-4 OLB, I dunno. I wouldn't break the bank to keep him. He's a nice player and might blow up somewhere else, but the Giants have cap issues and letting him go might help with that.

If they are sticking with the 3-4, almost any Edge in the draft would be a help, whether he'll play 3-4 DE, 3-4 OLB, or something more like a 4-3 DE in a hybrid front. Are there any of the top Edge prospects who wouldn't help? Ojulari is very promising, Carter is still improving, but neither of them is going to keep Thibodeaux or Hutchinson on the bench.

As for Carter leaving, see above.
While I think needs are important...  
Brown_Hornet : 1/26/2022 9:15 pm : link
... I do hope that the current roster plays a very small role with regards to selections in the 1st couple of rounds this Spring.
You don't even know  
David B. : 1/26/2022 9:25 pm : link
Whether they'll be playing a 3-4 or a 4-3. But the 3-4 has been a disaster since they switched to it.
The market for Carter  
Joe Beckwith : 1/26/2022 9:30 pm : link
shouldn’t be hot, unless other teams see he fits their D and DL much better the the Giants have.
Doubt it, but…..
Just cannot see Carter returning  
BillT : 1/26/2022 9:42 pm : link
Four years and what? He’s been completely average and at times not even that. Even cheap he’ll cost more than Roche or Ojulari. Time to move on I think.
if Lorenzo Carter  
JesseS : 1/26/2022 10:09 pm : link
factors into their first round draft strategy, there's a major problem.
Ojabo is very overrated  
Snablats : 1/26/2022 10:53 pm : link
Its all projection. He has no pass rush moves, just tries to use his speed around the OT. Completely disappeared in the semifinal vs UGA

The Giants cant afford to take a projection. They need 1st and 2nd rounders who can start and produce
i'd take Ojabo with the 2nd first round pick  
Howard J. Pants : 1/26/2022 11:00 pm : link
Carter is a tease. Will never deliver.
Couple of points -  
section125 : 1/27/2022 3:23 am : link
Carter will move on as he will get offers for over league minimum, which is all the Giants can afford for a player of his caliber.

Ojabo is a project and will not be "ready" to play next year, but this is a total rebuild and the Giants should be getting talent, even if it takes time to develop. Not sure he is worth a 1st round pick, but he is likely worth a 2nd rounder.

We also do not know what defense they will be playing yet, but should know in the next two weeks. So he may not be a fit in the new scheme.
The Giants haven't had a top Edge since JPP  
DavidinBMNY : 1/27/2022 7:15 am : link
They are way more fun to watch when they do have one. This secondary led defense is the opposite of entertaining. I sure hope they go for a dominant defensive player in rd 1. a LB who can rush is fine.
Carter needs to stay  
UGADawgs7 : 1/27/2022 8:00 am : link
He’d be on a cheap prove it deal after the Achilles injury. If he has a bad year next year, that’s it. They need some veterans on the team.
RE: Carter needs to stay  
BLUATHRT : 1/27/2022 8:07 am : link
In comment 15577381 UGADawgs7 said:
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He’d be on a cheap prove it deal after the Achilles injury. If he has a bad year next year, that’s it. They need some veterans on the team.


Problem is some team with a lot of cap room with overpay him on his promise and late season production. Giants will need to be judicious with any signing.
Absolutely  
mittenedman : 1/27/2022 8:19 am : link
I still think its possible they double dip and take 2 Edge Rushers in the 1st round.

Gettleman built such a weird, dysfunctional roster. premium resource DBs riding the pine while having bad OLine & zero pass rush.

You dont win championships by having a bunch of good DBs. Especially in tge Northeast.
I like Ojabo  
Biteymax22 : 1/27/2022 8:21 am : link
And think the has a lot of upside. Carter being on or off this team wouldn't stop me from taking him 7th.
I haven't seen enough of Ojabo  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/27/2022 8:27 am : link
to form a full opinion, but the brief impression that I do have from watching a few of his games and some highlight videos is that he benefitted a lot from Hutchinson not only commanding a lot of blocking attention, but forcing QBs up in the pocket (and slightly to Ojabo's side).

I feel like some of his production is just cleaning up from the disruption caused by Hutch.
If they switch to a 4-3  
JonC : 1/27/2022 8:36 am : link
there's little reason to keep Carter, as he would need to play DE and he's not very good or stout versus the run.

Even if they stay with the 3-4 base, he's demonstrated enough to say you really can't count on him to be more than average, and the Giants are going to be faced with making the right decisions due to the cap situation.
Carter is the type of player  
JonC : 1/27/2022 8:38 am : link
you shouldn't be building decisions around either, that would be very DG-like in overrating one of our own. Let him go.
RE: The market for Carter  
Section331 : 1/27/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15577128 Joe Beckwith said:
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shouldn’t be hot, unless other teams see he fits their D and DL much better the the Giants have.
Doubt it, but…..


He was coming of an achilles injury and came on late in the year. I think he may have more bidders than you realize.
RE: The Giants haven't had a top Edge since JPP  
Angel Eyes : 1/27/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15577335 DavidinBMNY said:
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They are way more fun to watch when they do have one. This secondary led defense is the opposite of entertaining. I sure hope they go for a dominant defensive player in rd 1. a LB who can rush is fine.

Agreed; one would have thought Gettleman would have known this.
RE: Or, the Giants need some serious EDGE help  
Angel Eyes : 1/27/2022 11:00 am : link
In comment 15577080 M.S. said:
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so whether Lorenzo Carter stays or goes, the team will still draft at least on EDGE player?

The Giants definitely need some EDGE help, regardless of staying with a 3-4 (rushbackers) or changing to a 4-3 (defensive ends). Especially whenever they're in their 4-2 nickel defense because the 3-4 OLBs they have (including Carter) are getting taken out of the play.
RE: If they switch to a 4-3  
Angel Eyes : 1/27/2022 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15577444 JonC said:
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there's little reason to keep Carter, as he would need to play DE and he's not very good or stout versus the run.

Even if they stay with the 3-4 base, he's demonstrated enough to say you really can't count on him to be more than average, and the Giants are going to be faced with making the right decisions due to the cap situation.

Well said, JonC. Said it better than I could have.

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