But I do have issues with her availability. I hope he's maturing physically off the field, which we'll only know if he's more durable (sans freak injuries like a tear or a break).
pursued it once the season was over. Ultimately, who cares? Kobe Bryant came out with a rap album. As did Shaq and countless others. Making an album doesn’t tell us anything about your dedication to a sport.
is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
How’s it any different from Daniel Jones partying in Hoboken? Or players golfing on off days?
Because the kid has elite skill. Watch his highlight reel from the Dallas game. He has such potential on the field but you just can tell it's not his passion. If it were he could be great! Way too much time with little injuries on the bench with little effort to try and get back on the field. There is no way this album was started after the season which simply says he was working on it during the season when he should have been working on his job.
to playing football. Missing 7 games with various minor injuries and then releasing an album is not a great look. This is the first guy new coach needs to speak to. If football does not come first his Giant career will be very short.
Because the kid has elite skill. Watch his highlight reel from the Dallas game. He has such potential on the field but you just can tell it's not his passion. If it were he could be great! Way too much time with little injuries on the bench with little effort to try and get back on the field. There is no way this album was started after the season which simply says he was working on it during the season when he should have been working on his job.
Do you do work when you get home from work? On the weekends? How do you know Toney didn’t try to get back on the field? How do you know he doesn’t love football? A lot of assumptions because the guy dropped an album. What if his hobby was painting? Would he not care about football then?
The guy is a bust until he shows he isn't. He's just another guy at this point as far as I'm concerned until he proves otherwise. I'm sure he's not a Schoen guy anyway so he'll be traded or shown the door at some point.
Like I said, there's minor side hobbies and major side hobbies. Playing a round of golf is no big deal. Putting in enough effort at golf so that you can play in a competitive golf tournament is a whole different animal.
A rookie taking football seriously should spend a lot of time studying the craft, not turning it off once he punches the time clock.
An artist taking his singing career seriously should spend a lot of time honing his craft, not writing songs while taking a shower.
They spend time with kids and wife doing activities during the season. They are not watching tape when taking their kids to play catch or doing other activities spending time as a family.
What is wrong with a 20 something year old having interest in music in their free time? So this guy is a young millionaire who is not out doing what a lot of young adults could be getting into with that much money.
Until I hear something about going to clubs every night getting blasted and showing up hung over in meetings and not paying attention. There is no reason for some of your judgement.
There is some kind of life outside of football for all of them, would you be complaining about players who spend time doing ANY non football related activity during year INCLUDING being a father or husband?
If not, then why are you penalizing a single guy for having a hobby.
Are you anti music or anti rap music?
What if he liked to wood work? Would you complain that he was spending too much time making chairs and sanding? Or is that an acceptable hobby?
Like I said, there's minor side hobbies and major side hobbies. Playing a round of golf is no big deal. Putting in enough effort at golf so that you can play in a competitive golf tournament is a whole different animal.
A rookie taking football seriously should spend a lot of time studying the craft, not turning it off once he punches the time clock.
An artist taking his singing career seriously should spend a lot of time honing his craft, not writing songs while taking a shower.
I’m sorry, that’s bullshit. You think players that golf don’t spend time at the driving range during the season?
Toneys supposed to do what exactly when he goes home? Watch film? I’m guessing you either don’t take your career serious since you’re posting on a Giants message board at 9am on a Thursday
a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
I am a white male in my 40s. I have a family and I do not have a ton of free time. I also do not rap or play any musical instruments. I have no problem with this.
I do remember how much time I wasted in my 20s wishing I did something more artistically constructive with my free time on my passions. I am not going to shame others who are not squandering their opportunity being young and having time/resources.
is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
If Toney was picking up shifts at Applebee’s I’m pretty sure a few would raise their eyebrows too.
I have a number of family members in the music and recording industry. I see how hard of work it is. If he’s taking this seriously, it’s a huge time commitment. If he makes it, he’ll have a hell of a decision to make. Because he can make a lot more money and not get knocked on his ass for a living.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
If Toney was picking up shifts at Applebee’s I’m pretty sure a few would raise their eyebrows too.
I have a number of family members in the music and recording industry. I see how hard of work it is. If he’s taking this seriously, it’s a huge time commitment. If he makes it, he’ll have a hell of a decision to make. Because he can make a lot more money and not get knocked on his ass for a living.
That's the real reason people have a problem with this...hat he will leave football for another career choice?
The big Question going into the 2021 draft was is KT 100% committed
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
If Toney was picking up shifts at Applebee’s I’m pretty sure a few would raise their eyebrows too.
I have a number of family members in the music and recording industry. I see how hard of work it is. If he’s taking this seriously, it’s a huge time commitment. If he makes it, he’ll have a hell of a decision to make. Because he can make a lot more money and not get knocked on his ass for a living.
That's the real reason people have a problem with this...hat he will leave football for another career choice?
I have no idea what the mystery, cowardice reason people are skeptical is.
What I do know is recording an album is a labor of love and a time consuming project.
I also know Toney, based on his position coach’s words last year still has a ton to learn about being a WR. So much so they didn’t want him burning time training on specials.
So as a Giants fan I hope he spends the offseason getting better at football.
a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
UCONN - what is the real reason you are calling out people as cowards in this thread?
pursued it once the season was over. Ultimately, who cares? Kobe Bryant came out with a rap album. As did Shaq and countless others. Making an album doesn’t tell us anything about your dedication to a sport.
By the time Kobe and Shaq were each Toney's age, they'd been to a total of 8 All-Star Games.
Honestly, I don't care what Toney does off the field, assuming he's actually able to be on it once in a while. Maybe he should be spending the offseason with a shoemaker.
Need to stop any outside activity and focus on solely your work profession and whatever your superior tells you to do.
All you should be doing is be the best employee you can and raise your level of production/output/team spirit/etc while you make sure all your time/decisions/efforts is to drive the company forward and advance their mission statement and company culture.
Otherwise sit down with your hyprocrisy and chill out.
a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
The only thing worse than being a racist, is being called a racist, UConn. How dare you!
a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
This is the thing, if you think you're recording an album for four hours a night strictly in your free time, and don't have your phone blowing up throughout the day during the producing/mixing/editing phase, and/or don't have much longer hours than that along the way, I think you're being naive.
The timing of this album's drop suggests to me that he was obviously working on this throughout the season. He was also injured with various bumps and bruises throughout the season. He also contracted Covid - TWICE. Was one of those due to time in the studio?
If KT was healthy and kicking ass on the field and also made this work as a side project, I think most would admire it. The fact that he has been somewhat unreliable as a player does make the timing of this album's release at least a little bit curious.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this sort of thing should be an offseason project for KT in general, but especially during his rookie year when one might hope that he's trying to absorb as much football expertise as possible to be a great player.
is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
This is the thing, if you think you're recording an album for four hours a night strictly in your free time, and don't have your phone blowing up throughout the day during the producing/mixing/editing phase, and/or don't have much longer hours than that along the way, I think you're being naive.
The timing of this album's drop suggests to me that he was obviously working on this throughout the season. He was also injured with various bumps and bruises throughout the season. He also contracted Covid - TWICE. Was one of those due to time in the studio?
If KT was healthy and kicking ass on the field and also made this work as a side project, I think most would admire it. The fact that he has been somewhat unreliable as a player does make the timing of this album's release at least a little bit curious.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this sort of thing should be an offseason project for KT in general, but especially during his rookie year when one might hope that he's trying to absorb as much football expertise as possible to be a great player.
Having hobbies is good for your mental health. He needs an outlet outside of football. This one seems a lot better than partying on boats in Miami...
is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
This is the thing, if you think you're recording an album for four hours a night strictly in your free time, and don't have your phone blowing up throughout the day during the producing/mixing/editing phase, and/or don't have much longer hours than that along the way, I think you're being naive.
The timing of this album's drop suggests to me that he was obviously working on this throughout the season. He was also injured with various bumps and bruises throughout the season. He also contracted Covid - TWICE. Was one of those due to time in the studio?
If KT was healthy and kicking ass on the field and also made this work as a side project, I think most would admire it. The fact that he has been somewhat unreliable as a player does make the timing of this album's release at least a little bit curious.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this sort of thing should be an offseason project for KT in general, but especially during his rookie year when one might hope that he's trying to absorb as much football expertise as possible to be a great player.
Having hobbies is good for your mental health. He needs an outlet outside of football. This one seems a lot better than partying on boats in Miami...
This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
This is what you're missing: the other people that go into creating an album ARE doing it for a living. So he doesn't really get to to treat it like a hobby where he's playing Fortnight into the wee hours on his day off.
The other people who work on an album are reliant on him, just like his teammates are. It's a job, not a hobby.
If Toney is messing around with his friends and recording songs for fun, good for him.
If he’s spending the time a serious artist takes writing, recording, producing, performing, and promoting an album — I’d prefer he spent that time getting better at WR.
If Daniel Jones was pursuing a career as a polka recording artist, or Azeez Ojulari had a tech start up I’d feel the same way.
This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
This is what you're missing: the other people that go into creating an album ARE doing it for a living. So he doesn't really get to to treat it like a hobby where he's playing Fortnight into the wee hours on his day off.
The other people who work on an album are reliant on him, just like his teammates are. It's a job, not a hobby.
So when players host podcasts, does that ruin their credibility as professional athletes?
I don't see the big deal about having a second "job" particularly a creative one.
Need to stop any outside activity and focus on solely your work profession and whatever your superior tells you to do.
All you should be doing is be the best employee you can and raise your level of production/output/team spirit/etc while you make sure all your time/decisions/efforts is to drive the company forward and advance their mission statement and company culture.
Otherwise sit down with your hyprocrisy and chill out.
idk, in my profession it is not common to workout, watch film and prepare for work 24/7/365 but in professional sports it seems different, if you want to keep up with your peers and excel
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This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
This is what you're missing: the other people that go into creating an album ARE doing it for a living. So he doesn't really get to to treat it like a hobby where he's playing Fortnight into the wee hours on his day off.
The other people who work on an album are reliant on him, just like his teammates are. It's a job, not a hobby.
So when players host podcasts, does that ruin their credibility as professional athletes?
I don't see the big deal about having a second "job" particularly a creative one.
The fact that you don't see the difference between these two scenarios, as well as the comparative support staff that each requires, makes this debate useless.
You think a weekly podcast (or even a radio appearance) has the same time commitment as recording an album?
And appeared in movies and was involved in Video Games. Over a much longer season.
I admittedly don't know anything about recording music but can't some of the man hours involved in recording an album be outsourced by a young guy with a lot of disposable income?
I think a number of people on this thread would be surprised what it takes to write, record, and produce a record.
I think that same number of people would be surprised what it takes to train, rehab, and prep to be a word class professional athlete.
I'm sure you're an expert on both to be able to tell why and how it's impossible to do both. Dame Lillard must be the fucking messiah.
Damian Lillard has proven he’s good at basketball. He seems like an ultra-focused high performing guy who’s made of different stuff than most people. Owning a record company, recording music, and being a really good basketball player is a hell of an achievement.
Kadarius Toney can’t tie his own shoes and once thought it was a good idea to bring an air rifle to a gunfight.
Toney’s got a lot to prove before he’s in the same universe as Lillard. Lillard produces the goods on the court and the mic. Toney, ehh.
And appeared in movies and was involved in Video Games. Over a much longer season.
I admittedly don't know anything about recording music but can't some of the man hours involved in recording an album be outsourced by a young guy with a lot of disposable income?
Obviously Shaq would have been better served to shut up and dribble.
Listening to his tracks it sounds like a middle schooler wrote and produced them, so my guess is this fits into the messing around with his friends category I posted above. And definitely not in the serious artist writing, recording, producing and promoting column.
GarageBand away little jokka.
Hopefully he spends more time honing his receiving skills than the 20 hours someone put into those cuts.
lol. This place is melting down over a 17 minute mixtape.
My FOL is a record producer and former A&R exec at a major label. I’ve also seen firsthand what it takes many of times. Recording a real album is a bear. Recording a real album DIY is even worse.
Laying down 17 mins on GarageBand with iPad beats isn’t an album, that’s what it sounds like Toney has here. Good, fun times.
RE: RE: Did people think he was going to spend the offseason
reading his playbook? Especially since it is not the one they will use next year?
I don't care what he does off the field if he can get healthy and contribute. If he can't do that he will need something to fall back on.
The issue is, this wasn't done in the offseason.
Albums take more than two weeks to record.
You may not have listened to any of his stuff on Spotify. It would be disappointing to think any of those songs were more than a 10-15 minute investment of time.
back in the day, we had to walk to and from, uphill both ways, to a recording studio, putting real resources, and thus real effort, into making an album.
I forgot that nowadays, you can fart into a microphone, and put it out into the world without ever leaving your living room. Also forgot that due to that ease, every time someone has a thought, it can be cast out there, whether anyone wants it or not.
back in the day, we had to walk to and from, uphill both ways, to a recording studio, putting real resources, and thus real effort, into making an album.
I forgot that nowadays, you can fart into a microphone, and put it out into the world without ever leaving your living room. Also forgot that due to that ease, every time someone has a thought, it can be cast out there, whether anyone wants it or not.
And appeared in movies and was involved in Video Games. Over a much longer season.
I admittedly don't know anything about recording music but can't some of the man hours involved in recording an album be outsourced by a young guy with a lot of disposable income?
Q- did he do that after a very disappointing rookie year?
He needs to show up at camp in great shape and show he can stay on the field.
upon release of his album?
“Double Sneak”
“Bend N Break”
“Puntn’ 40s”
“Breakin da Neck”
“Conservative Judge”
He needs to show up at camp in great shape and show he can stay on the field.
I would question whether the album was recorded (and mixed, produced, etc.) in the offseason just because it's being released in the offseason.
It's quite possible that KT was working on the album during the season. God knows he had enough free time.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
How’s it any different from Daniel Jones partying in Hoboken? Or players golfing on off days?
Do you do work when you get home from work? On the weekends? How do you know Toney didn’t try to get back on the field? How do you know he doesn’t love football? A lot of assumptions because the guy dropped an album. What if his hobby was painting? Would he not care about football then?
Hopefully he didn't pull a muscle in the process.
Eli Apple.
Eric Flowers
Toney
To name a few
Eli Apple.
Eric Flowers
Toney
To name a few
His character is in question because he has a side hobby?
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The pattern is usually picking a player based on ability not based on character.
Eli Apple.
Eric Flowers
Toney
To name a few
His character is in question because he has a side hobby?
This thread tells you more about BBI posters than it does Toney. I wouldn't bother.
A rookie taking football seriously should spend a lot of time studying the craft, not turning it off once he punches the time clock.
An artist taking his singing career seriously should spend a lot of time honing his craft, not writing songs while taking a shower.
What is wrong with a 20 something year old having interest in music in their free time? So this guy is a young millionaire who is not out doing what a lot of young adults could be getting into with that much money.
Until I hear something about going to clubs every night getting blasted and showing up hung over in meetings and not paying attention. There is no reason for some of your judgement.
There is some kind of life outside of football for all of them, would you be complaining about players who spend time doing ANY non football related activity during year INCLUDING being a father or husband?
If not, then why are you penalizing a single guy for having a hobby.
Are you anti music or anti rap music?
What if he liked to wood work? Would you complain that he was spending too much time making chairs and sanding? Or is that an acceptable hobby?
A rookie taking football seriously should spend a lot of time studying the craft, not turning it off once he punches the time clock.
An artist taking his singing career seriously should spend a lot of time honing his craft, not writing songs while taking a shower.
I’m sorry, that’s bullshit. You think players that golf don’t spend time at the driving range during the season?
Toneys supposed to do what exactly when he goes home? Watch film? I’m guessing you either don’t take your career serious since you’re posting on a Giants message board at 9am on a Thursday
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
Eli Apple.
Eric Flowers
Toney
To name a few
Except, of course, Apple and Flowers where both quite short on the ability scale.
Kome on man, you have to be kidding me. KT is the songbird of his generation. His kreativity far surpasses Dylan!
I do remember how much time I wasted in my 20s wishing I did something more artistically constructive with my free time on my passions. I am not going to shame others who are not squandering their opportunity being young and having time/resources.
Some of you should be ashamed.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
If Toney was picking up shifts at Applebee’s I’m pretty sure a few would raise their eyebrows too.
I have a number of family members in the music and recording industry. I see how hard of work it is. If he’s taking this seriously, it’s a huge time commitment. If he makes it, he’ll have a hell of a decision to make. Because he can make a lot more money and not get knocked on his ass for a living.
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The pattern is usually picking a player based on ability not based on character.
Eli Apple.
Eric Flowers
Toney
To name a few
Except, of course, Apple and Flowers where both quite short on the ability scale.
Well except of course that both Flowers and Apple are still starting players in this league for other teams.
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We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
If Toney was picking up shifts at Applebee’s I’m pretty sure a few would raise their eyebrows too.
I have a number of family members in the music and recording industry. I see how hard of work it is. If he’s taking this seriously, it’s a huge time commitment. If he makes it, he’ll have a hell of a decision to make. Because he can make a lot more money and not get knocked on his ass for a living.
That's the real reason people have a problem with this...hat he will leave football for another career choice?
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
If Toney was picking up shifts at Applebee’s I’m pretty sure a few would raise their eyebrows too.
I have a number of family members in the music and recording industry. I see how hard of work it is. If he’s taking this seriously, it’s a huge time commitment. If he makes it, he’ll have a hell of a decision to make. Because he can make a lot more money and not get knocked on his ass for a living.
That's the real reason people have a problem with this...hat he will leave football for another career choice?
I have no idea what the mystery, cowardice reason people are skeptical is.
What I do know is recording an album is a labor of love and a time consuming project.
I also know Toney, based on his position coach’s words last year still has a ton to learn about being a WR. So much so they didn’t want him burning time training on specials.
So as a Giants fan I hope he spends the offseason getting better at football.
“Double Sneak”
“Bend N Break”
“Puntn’ 40s”
“Breakin da Neck”
“Conservative Judge”
Very good.
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a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
UCONN - what is the real reason you are calling out people as cowards in this thread?
By the time Kobe and Shaq were each Toney's age, they'd been to a total of 8 All-Star Games.
Honestly, I don't care what Toney does off the field, assuming he's actually able to be on it once in a while. Maybe he should be spending the offseason with a shoemaker.
Hahahahaha. Nice bro
All you should be doing is be the best employee you can and raise your level of production/output/team spirit/etc while you make sure all your time/decisions/efforts is to drive the company forward and advance their mission statement and company culture.
Otherwise sit down with your hyprocrisy and chill out.
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@Giants
Happy Birthday KT! 🥳
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a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
lol, take a guess.
“Double Sneak”
“Bend N Break”
“Puntn’ 40s”
“Breakin da Neck”
“Conservative Judge”
You forgot the first single:
"Pullin' Da Hammy"
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
The only thing worse than being a racist, is being called a racist, UConn. How dare you!
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a round of golf can be what, 5/6 hours? That's the better part of a full work day. Recording music can have any length of time attached to it - 30 minutes, 3 hours, an entire day, etc. It can also be done at....night, when people usually wind down and watch TV or a movie or play video games.
We all know the real reason why people have a problem with this. I wish you guys would just say it and stop pretending its just him not studying the playbook that's making you annoyed. Don't be a coward!
I honestly don't know. What's the real reason people have a problem with this?
lol, take a guess.
IDK. Because it validates the bust talk?
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is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
This is the thing, if you think you're recording an album for four hours a night strictly in your free time, and don't have your phone blowing up throughout the day during the producing/mixing/editing phase, and/or don't have much longer hours than that along the way, I think you're being naive.
The timing of this album's drop suggests to me that he was obviously working on this throughout the season. He was also injured with various bumps and bruises throughout the season. He also contracted Covid - TWICE. Was one of those due to time in the studio?
If KT was healthy and kicking ass on the field and also made this work as a side project, I think most would admire it. The fact that he has been somewhat unreliable as a player does make the timing of this album's release at least a little bit curious.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this sort of thing should be an offseason project for KT in general, but especially during his rookie year when one might hope that he's trying to absorb as much football expertise as possible to be a great player.
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is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
This is the thing, if you think you're recording an album for four hours a night strictly in your free time, and don't have your phone blowing up throughout the day during the producing/mixing/editing phase, and/or don't have much longer hours than that along the way, I think you're being naive.
The timing of this album's drop suggests to me that he was obviously working on this throughout the season. He was also injured with various bumps and bruises throughout the season. He also contracted Covid - TWICE. Was one of those due to time in the studio?
If KT was healthy and kicking ass on the field and also made this work as a side project, I think most would admire it. The fact that he has been somewhat unreliable as a player does make the timing of this album's release at least a little bit curious.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this sort of thing should be an offseason project for KT in general, but especially during his rookie year when one might hope that he's trying to absorb as much football expertise as possible to be a great player.
Having hobbies is good for your mental health. He needs an outlet outside of football. This one seems a lot better than partying on boats in Miami...
We should be happy about this album.
But my cleats fall off and they sure are broke
I don't care what he does off the field if he can get healthy and contribute. If he can't do that he will need something to fall back on.
I don't care what he does off the field if he can get healthy and contribute. If he can't do that he will need something to fall back on.
The issue is, this wasn't done in the offseason.
Albums take more than two weeks to record.
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is the timing of the recording and amount of time he spent on it during the season.
While you can't expect a player to think of nothing but football during the season, any decent album should require a fair amount of preparation. Side hobby during the season, ok. putting in major effort on a side project during season, not ok. Recording during season, definitely not ok.
off season, no big deal. But, any decent album isn't getting done starting from scratch in the scant weeks since the season ended.
Maybe he spent little time on it, and just pumped something out. That would raise red flags regarding the effort he puts into his crafts.
This is silly. Even if he spent 4 hours on it a night. It's not like he couldn't still work 10 hours a day on his job. Even the best players in the world do things with their free time (ranging from being dad to their kids, to playing video games, to going out partying all night). They are 20 something year old kids.
Their energy is boundless. If the only two things he cares about are music and football there is plenty of time for both.
When I was 22 years old I was working 10 hour days, going to school at night to finish my degree, and still help raising a baby (whoops).
This is the thing, if you think you're recording an album for four hours a night strictly in your free time, and don't have your phone blowing up throughout the day during the producing/mixing/editing phase, and/or don't have much longer hours than that along the way, I think you're being naive.
The timing of this album's drop suggests to me that he was obviously working on this throughout the season. He was also injured with various bumps and bruises throughout the season. He also contracted Covid - TWICE. Was one of those due to time in the studio?
If KT was healthy and kicking ass on the field and also made this work as a side project, I think most would admire it. The fact that he has been somewhat unreliable as a player does make the timing of this album's release at least a little bit curious.
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that this sort of thing should be an offseason project for KT in general, but especially during his rookie year when one might hope that he's trying to absorb as much football expertise as possible to be a great player.
Having hobbies is good for your mental health. He needs an outlet outside of football. This one seems a lot better than partying on boats in Miami...
This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Amen!
This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
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This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
This is what you're missing: the other people that go into creating an album ARE doing it for a living. So he doesn't really get to to treat it like a hobby where he's playing Fortnight into the wee hours on his day off.
The other people who work on an album are reliant on him, just like his teammates are. It's a job, not a hobby.
i miss the whole season injured
doesnt matter if its turf or grass
you can call me mr glass
If he’s spending the time a serious artist takes writing, recording, producing, performing, and promoting an album — I’d prefer he spent that time getting better at WR.
If Daniel Jones was pursuing a career as a polka recording artist, or Azeez Ojulari had a tech start up I’d feel the same way.
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This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
This is what you're missing: the other people that go into creating an album ARE doing it for a living. So he doesn't really get to to treat it like a hobby where he's playing Fortnight into the wee hours on his day off.
The other people who work on an album are reliant on him, just like his teammates are. It's a job, not a hobby.
So when players host podcasts, does that ruin their credibility as professional athletes?
I don't see the big deal about having a second "job" particularly a creative one.
All you should be doing is be the best employee you can and raise your level of production/output/team spirit/etc while you make sure all your time/decisions/efforts is to drive the company forward and advance their mission statement and company culture.
Otherwise sit down with your hyprocrisy and chill out.
idk, in my profession it is not common to workout, watch film and prepare for work 24/7/365 but in professional sports it seems different, if you want to keep up with your peers and excel
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This isn't hobby, though. It's a second full-time job. And he just started his first full-time job. It's a lot for a young kid to balance.
Bullshit. People play video games for hours a day. This guy goes into a studio for fun. It's not about making a living at all. He's in a high pressure job. Focusing solely on football can lead to burnout and poor mental health and ultimately disinterest in the game. You need outlets when you're in a high pressure environment like that. Why do you these guys go out drinking and driving? They're under tremendous stress. Writing lyrics and poetry and making music is a fantastic way of battling through that pressure. It is by no means a second job.
This is what you're missing: the other people that go into creating an album ARE doing it for a living. So he doesn't really get to to treat it like a hobby where he's playing Fortnight into the wee hours on his day off.
The other people who work on an album are reliant on him, just like his teammates are. It's a job, not a hobby.
So when players host podcasts, does that ruin their credibility as professional athletes?
I don't see the big deal about having a second "job" particularly a creative one.
The fact that you don't see the difference between these two scenarios, as well as the comparative support staff that each requires, makes this debate useless.
You think a weekly podcast (or even a radio appearance) has the same time commitment as recording an album?
I think that same number of people would be surprised what it takes to train, rehab, and prep to be a word class professional athlete.
I think that same number of people would be surprised what it takes to train, rehab, and prep to be a word class professional athlete.
I'm sure you're an expert on both to be able to tell why and how it's impossible to do both. Dame Lillard must be the fucking messiah.
I admittedly don't know anything about recording music but can't some of the man hours involved in recording an album be outsourced by a young guy with a lot of disposable income?
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I think a number of people on this thread would be surprised what it takes to write, record, and produce a record.
I think that same number of people would be surprised what it takes to train, rehab, and prep to be a word class professional athlete.
I'm sure you're an expert on both to be able to tell why and how it's impossible to do both. Dame Lillard must be the fucking messiah.
Damian Lillard has proven he’s good at basketball. He seems like an ultra-focused high performing guy who’s made of different stuff than most people. Owning a record company, recording music, and being a really good basketball player is a hell of an achievement.
Kadarius Toney can’t tie his own shoes and once thought it was a good idea to bring an air rifle to a gunfight.
Toney’s got a lot to prove before he’s in the same universe as Lillard. Lillard produces the goods on the court and the mic. Toney, ehh.
I admittedly don't know anything about recording music but can't some of the man hours involved in recording an album be outsourced by a young guy with a lot of disposable income?
Obviously Shaq would have been better served to shut up and dribble.
GarageBand away little jokka.
Hopefully he spends more time honing his receiving skills than the 20 hours someone put into those cuts.
If you’re ignorant to the hip hop world you may not realize that.
lol. This place is melting down over a 17 minute mixtape.
If you’re ignorant to the hip hop world you may not realize that.
Or ignorant to music in general. My old band recorded a 16 track album a few years back, and the singer was there for like 2 days.
My FOL is a record producer and former A&R exec at a major label. I’ve also seen firsthand what it takes many of times. Recording a real album is a bear. Recording a real album DIY is even worse.
Laying down 17 mins on GarageBand with iPad beats isn’t an album, that’s what it sounds like Toney has here. Good, fun times.
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reading his playbook? Especially since it is not the one they will use next year?
I don't care what he does off the field if he can get healthy and contribute. If he can't do that he will need something to fall back on.
The issue is, this wasn't done in the offseason.
Albums take more than two weeks to record.
You may not have listened to any of his stuff on Spotify. It would be disappointing to think any of those songs were more than a 10-15 minute investment of time.
I forgot that nowadays, you can fart into a microphone, and put it out into the world without ever leaving your living room. Also forgot that due to that ease, every time someone has a thought, it can be cast out there, whether anyone wants it or not.
I forgot that nowadays, you can fart into a microphone, and put it out into the world without ever leaving your living room. Also forgot that due to that ease, every time someone has a thought, it can be cast out there, whether anyone wants it or not.
Kinda like posts on BBI.
Even Golladay has the same amount of albums as he does td’s this year.
I admittedly don't know anything about recording music but can't some of the man hours involved in recording an album be outsourced by a young guy with a lot of disposable income?
Q- did he do that after a very disappointing rookie year?