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Mara forcing another coach

EliisGod77 : 1/27/2022 7:53 am
Having read all the latest articles and watching the presser for Schoen it becomes very clear that despite all the negative press and failure he’s had John Mara continues to meddle in this process along with his idiot brother. How do you say one minute it’s the GMs call on coaches and then the first thing we hear yesterday from schoen is “collaborative” when it comes to the head coaching job? Mara running out to call Brian Flores, when we didn’t even have a GM and now there are reports Daboll is going to Miami and that Flores is imminent. Flores is a horrible choice, and sounds exactly like a Mara hire. His offenses were pedestrian, teams ok and he’s a monster to deal with. On top of that our offensive is a shit show and hiring this guy is not going to fix Daniel Jones or make us a better team. He’s just a carbon copy of Judge, ultra conservative, with no imagination or idea how to put a staff together. I’m amazed at the love affair for this guy. Simply amazed.
We don't know that yet  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 7:56 am : link
I'm no fan of the Maras, but I'm withholding judgment until all the facts are known,
This talk is getting exhausting  
Sean : 1/27/2022 7:59 am : link
I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
You know the last three coaches Mara hired  
AnnapolisMike : 1/27/2022 8:03 am : link
were first time head coaches...right?
You literally don't know anything  
bdre992 : 1/27/2022 8:03 am : link
Some of you need to go outside and take a deep breath.
RE: You know the last three coaches Mara hired  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 8:04 am : link
In comment 15577382 AnnapolisMike said:
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were first time head coaches...right?


Shurmur wasn't.
RE: You literally don't know anything  
DavidinBMNY : 1/27/2022 8:04 am : link
In comment 15577383 bdre992 said:
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Some of you need to go outside and take a deep breath.
that's true - but it is to cold out.
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
EricJ : 1/27/2022 8:05 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


Agree with what you say. What you hope though is even when the owners weigh in, the GMs vote should carry just a bit more weight.

The thing that I have been picking up on is/are the few subtle comments about Chris Mara this week. He was referenced multiple times by either Mara or Schoen during the various interviews. Almost like there is a doubling down on the idea that YES Chris is an owner, he is part of the process, and you fans should just STFU already.
If Dan Quinn is hired  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
Does that mean Tom Quinn will go? How many Quinns can you carry on your staff.
Conspiracy theories continue  
BigBlueJ : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
on BBI...
I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Andy in Boston : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
HomerJones45 : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
Some owners may have a talent for personnel and others do not. You would hope that the ones who do not are self aware enough to realize it and back off. Ours definitely does not but does not realize it or realizes and can't help himself.
RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
rsjem1979 : 1/27/2022 8:10 am : link
In comment 15577391 Andy in Boston said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.


Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
I find it hard to believe that they'll  
bigbluehoya : 1/27/2022 8:11 am : link
select a HC with a defensive background given the hellscape this team has been on offense, and the trends we are seeing around the league as far as successful teams.
did this keep you up at night?  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 8:11 am : link
this place is a real treat.
Brother's a Fanatic Dolphin Fan  
Jeffrey : 1/27/2022 8:12 am : link
who has done work for the Dolphins in a non-football area, and agrees with all of the above about Flores. Guy built his team up but the success was not going to be sustainable given his personality and the fact that he is a control freak. Fought with his GM and his QB and other players. Take a look at his turnaround season this year and see that 5 of the 9 wins came against the Giants, Jets (twice), Carolina and Houston, plus a win over a Saints team that was totally undermanned this year. Get a coach for the offense and one who can work with his QB.
Of course it is  
section125 : 1/27/2022 8:12 am : link
collaborative. Who do you think is signing the checks? Name one team that the owner doesn't check on the HC hiring and approves.

Of all the names mentioned for HC, not one is unknown. Not one is outside of Mara's comfort zone. Seems to me, even though Schoen is doing the hiring, he is letting Mara and Tisch know who he is picking and why.
You're not the only one  
Biteymax22 : 1/27/2022 8:15 am : link
saying things like this, so I'm not directing this at you but its a general statement: No matter who is given the authority to do what by an owner of a business, at the end of the day the owner is ALWAYS the final say. Schoen hires someone Mara doesn't want, Mara fires Schoen, so Mara was always going to have some say in who was hired.

And maybe we can look at this in another angle. If Daboll isn't the guy, maybe Schoen actually took and objective look at all the candidates and didn't just hire his buddy...

All these guys have worts, but its not off the table to say Flores, Quinn, Frazier are all qualified and have a real shot at this job.
RE: Brother's a Fanatic Dolphin Fan  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 8:18 am : link
In comment 15577399 Jeffrey said:
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who has done work for the Dolphins in a non-football area, and agrees with all of the above about Flores. Guy built his team up but the success was not going to be sustainable given his personality and the fact that he is a control freak. Fought with his GM and his QB and other players. Take a look at his turnaround season this year and see that 5 of the 9 wins came against the Giants, Jets (twice), Carolina and Houston, plus a win over a Saints team that was totally undermanned this year. Get a coach for the offense and one who can work with his QB.


He went 10-6 in 2020.
I would care less if they were controlling owners  
ron mexico : 1/27/2022 8:18 am : link
if they just owned it, all this carte blanche bullshit is infuriating.

It would also help if they had just a little bit of skill assembling a team to compete on sundays
Homer  
Sean : 1/27/2022 8:21 am : link
I just think any owner will have input on HC+QB. Now it’s up to Schoen to be decisive in what he wants out of each.

The Mara’s are not going away, but a better GM certainly can help tremendously.
RE: You literally don't know anything  
BillT : 1/27/2022 8:24 am : link
In comment 15577383 bdre992 said:
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Some of you need to go outside and take a deep breath.

Truer words never spoken. The lunacy on this board is completely off the rails.
In Buffalo, the front office built an analytics department  
AdamBrag : 1/27/2022 8:26 am : link
then told the coaching staff, okay, you should completely re-design the offense because here's what the analytics say.

Is Flores going to be okay being told how he needs to run the offense and defense, even if there's evidence backing it up? Doesn't sound like it.

OP - you talk like someone has been hired already  
JohnB : 1/27/2022 8:26 am : link
did I miss something?
I'm interested in staff, honestly  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/27/2022 8:29 am : link
The last few coaches had shit coordinators and assistants

Can the next coach bring in a Fangio or Martindale as DC or a hot OC from the 49ers or Rams or something?

I think that is just as important

Supposition presented as fact…  
Chris in Philly : 1/27/2022 8:31 am : link
On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.
RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Andy in Boston : 1/27/2022 8:32 am : link
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.


4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?
RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Chris in Philly : 1/27/2022 8:34 am : link
In comment 15577395 rsjem1979 said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.


Dumb.
If it gets us Quinn  
Boatie Warrant : 1/27/2022 8:34 am : link
I'm good with it
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/27/2022 8:35 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


No Sean don’t you get it? The owners just pay out millions of dollars to players and staff and have no say in any decisions. And besides that none of us know what is actually going on behind the scenes it all pure speculation. Somebody shoots out a fucking tweet and this place implodes. Nothing but a bunch of whiny little c- -ts.
So if the hire isnt Daboll, we are just going to get our pitchforks  
BigBlue7 : 1/27/2022 8:36 am : link
out and assume Mara forced the HC hire?
Winning  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 8:36 am : link
cures all ills.

Just freakin win and everyone will get off your back.
RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
BigBlue7 : 1/27/2022 8:38 am : link
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?


It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.

Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.

So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles

RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
section125 : 1/27/2022 8:38 am : link
In comment 15577433 Andy in Boston said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?


Yeah, but...
RE: Supposition presented as fact…  
Brown_Hornet : 1/27/2022 8:42 am : link
In comment 15577432 Chris in Philly said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.
This.
RE: RE: Supposition presented as fact…  
Slowasski : 1/27/2022 8:45 am : link
In comment 15577461 Brown_Hornet said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.

This.


I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?
We just keep clinging to every word in every article  
UberAlias : 1/27/2022 8:48 am : link
Every statement of a “source believes” on Twitter in print as excuse to cry foul. We know, they’ve made terrible decisions before. But can we at least let the new guy make a single decision before we rip him? He’s already slammed in multiple threads as hack only hired because he’s a spineless puppet who lacks an eye for talent. I don’t see how anyone inside or outside the building can have that opinion with any degree of confidence. Some asshats coming off as more ass than anything under the hat if you ask me. I’ll wait for the guy to actually fucks something up before I start bitching. It didn’t take Gettlemen very long.
Mara  
Archer : 1/27/2022 8:49 am : link
I sincerely hope that the ownership does not impose their choice upon Schoen.

In a matter that is like having Judge accept Garrett as his OC.

I hope that Schoen selects who he believes is the best person for the job.

RE: RE: RE: Supposition presented as fact…  
Chris in Philly : 1/27/2022 8:49 am : link
In comment 15577470 Slowasski said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.

This.



I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?


You are probably a dupe, but that was funny. Huzzah.
Positive signs.  
giantBCP : 1/27/2022 8:51 am : link
It shows that Mara knows that player personnel decisions have been our Achilles heel. Let Schoen focus on acquiring talented players rather than bringing his cronies from Buffalo.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Andy in Boston : 1/27/2022 8:52 am : link
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?



It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.

Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.

So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles


who said "masterminds".....get a grip. It could be alot worse.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Supposition presented as fact…  
Slowasski : 1/27/2022 8:53 am : link
In comment 15577488 Chris in Philly said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.

This.



I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?



You are probably a dupe, but that was funny. Huzzah.


Correct about the dupage, but I am useful dupe.

A great dupe once said,

"For not all dupes are created equal.
I live for the hope of a great day when the good
dupes are separated by a great divide from the
useless, bandwidth wasting dupes who are consumed
by the idea of their brilliance."


RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
Chris684 : 1/27/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


Great post.

Particularly your last sentence.

"Let Schoen handle it....unless it's Frazier!"
This Is What Worries Me About Flores  
BlueVinnie : 1/27/2022 8:56 am : link
if the reports regarding why Flores was fired in Miami are true.

It seems odd to me that Mara would have reached out to a head coaching candidate even before he had hired the GM. Perhaps it's because each of the GM candidates had expressed some interest in Flores but we don't know that for sure. I'm hoping that is the reason rather than Mara wanting Flores to be the coach here. If it's due to Mara being enamored with Flores, I smell trouble.

The GM & HC need to be aligned regarding the direction of the team. If Flores is "Mara's guy" and Flores did initiate a power struggle of sorts in Miami (along with the communication issues) how long will it be before Flores starts running straight to Mara whenever he doesn't get his way/disagrees with Schoen?
RE: Brother's a Fanatic Dolphin Fan  
Maryland Blows : 1/27/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15577399 Jeffrey said:
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who has done work for the Dolphins in a non-football area, and agrees with all of the above about Flores. Guy built his team up but the success was not going to be sustainable given his personality and the fact that he is a control freak. Fought with his GM and his QB and other players. Take a look at his turnaround season this year and see that 5 of the 9 wins came against the Giants, Jets (twice), Carolina and Houston, plus a win over a Saints team that was totally undermanned this year. Get a coach for the offense and one who can work with his QB.


I can think of 2 other prior Giants head coaches who were gruff and whose personalities were tough. 4 Super Bowls later, just saying.
RE: This Is What Worries Me About Flores  
section125 : 1/27/2022 8:58 am : link
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if the reports regarding why Flores was fired in Miami are true.

It seems odd to me that Mara would have reached out to a head coaching candidate even before he had hired the GM. Perhaps it's because each of the GM candidates had expressed some interest in Flores but we don't know that for sure. I'm hoping that is the reason rather than Mara wanting Flores to be the coach here. If it's due to Mara being enamored with Flores, I smell trouble.

The GM & HC need to be aligned regarding the direction of the team. If Flores is "Mara's guy" and Flores did initiate a power struggle of sorts in Miami (along with the communication issues) how long will it be before Flores starts running straight to Mara whenever he doesn't get his way/disagrees with Schoen?


He was setting up interviews based on what the GM candidates told him would be on their list of HCs to interview.
RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Neckbone1333 : 1/27/2022 9:01 am : link
In comment 15577395 rsjem1979 said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.


Imagine being in sports radio and making this dopey comment. The best is you say you have been a fan since 1986, but yet say the Giants ownership has sucked since the 60's. Man, I feel bad for some people's family and friends.
I have heard the phrase  
chick310 : 1/27/2022 9:03 am : link
"don't force the pick" but never don't force the coach.

By the way, the monster to deal with comment sounds awful harsh. What makes you think he is the second coming of Hannibal Lecter?
That’s Life in the Real World  
NJLCO : 1/27/2022 9:10 am : link
Whoever brought this up must work for the state or federal government.
Real world owners make decisions. Period. Did you really believe Schoen week 2 was going to hire a HC and not discuss it with Mara and Tisch or get their blessing. WTF
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
joeinpa : 1/27/2022 9:15 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


Yes it , but as they say it s very difficult to put the toothpaste back in the jar.

Until the Giants begin winning, we here on bbi need to resign ourselves to the probability that every-time a decision is reached with posters like the OP, that they disagree with, it will be that “Mara is meddling “ as if an owner of a billion dollar business should have no say in the hiring of such a central piece to his franchise, comical really.

In this particular case I get the feeling that unless it s Dabol, the Mara narrative will continue to dominate the board, even if it would be coaches like Quinn and Flores, two legitimate candidates for the position.

This will continue to occur even though Mara with his decision on Gettleman, Judge and Abrams, demonstrated those screaming at the top of their lungs that they knew exactly how those decisions were going to go, Mara will never change, we’re totally wrong, you d think they would have been humbled to some extent, but the nonsense continues

I know. Mara wanted to appt Abrams and keep Judge……..but he didn’t. Don’t tell me what he wanted, tell me what he did

RE: RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
rsjem1979 : 1/27/2022 9:15 am : link
In comment 15577449 BigBlue7 said:
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4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?



It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.

Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.

So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles


I feel like it shouldn't be necessary to give this lesson in Giants history so often, but here we are again.

Wellington ran the Giants into the ground and was feuding with Tim, so much so that the goddamn commissioner had to rescue them from being an embarrassment to the entire league.

Everything this organization has ever won can be traced back directly to the foundation George Young began building while John Mara was in law school.
I wonder if the reason Flores was on every candidates list  
AdamBrag : 1/27/2022 9:16 am : link
Was because an interview question was would you include Flores in your coaching search?
RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
rsjem1979 : 1/27/2022 9:17 am : link
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



Imagine being in sports radio and making this dopey comment. The best is you say you have been a fan since 1986, but yet say the Giants ownership has sucked since the 60's. Man, I feel bad for some people's family and friends.


Imagine knowing so little about Giants history you think I'm wrong.
As a business owner myself  
DomerGiant2008 : 1/27/2022 9:21 am : link
that has sat in the hiring chair ... you know in the first 10 minutes if the person sitting in front of you is the right fit. if you've done the necessary pre-interview groundwork, all you need is a few minutes with the person.

If we already interviewed "the guy" and we let him walk out of the building without an offer, then he is not "the guy" anymore. People can sense when they were not the first choice and that is something that can linger and metastasize in as high stakes of a business as professional football is.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
joeinpa : 1/27/2022 9:22 am : link
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?



It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.

Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.

So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles


I think you re missing something here, they were the owners, no?
RE: Brother's a Fanatic Dolphin Fan  
KeoweeFan : 1/27/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15577399 Jeffrey said:
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who has done work for the Dolphins in a non-football area, and agrees with all of the above about Flores. Guy built his team up but the success was not going to be sustainable given his personality and the fact that he is a control freak. Fought with his GM and his QB and other players. Take a look at his turnaround season this year and see that 5 of the 9 wins came against the Giants, Jets (twice), Carolina and Houston, plus a win over a Saints team that was totally undermanned this year. Get a coach for the offense and one who can work with his QB.

Reminds me of Billy Martin with the Yanks. That tight control works to get a bad team out of the woods, but then breaks down.
HC is obviously a very important position...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/27/2022 9:28 am : link
Maybe like the queen in chess? I don't know if that analogy works or not, but the point I'm going to make is that the queen cannot win on her own. A HC is going to make a difference, but the most important thing prior to FA and the draft is to assemble the best STAFF. Who we hire as coordinators is very, very critical to gaining a coaching edge.

Try to keep that in mind as you review coaching options in your mind. The guy who may seem like the perfect HC candidate may not be if he can't assemble a killer team of coordinators and other coaches.

I think Schoen gets it, and perhaps Mara too. I bet they're wondering what might have been had Judge been able to get a better OC to work with.
A couple of thoughts  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 9:29 am : link
(1) Flores and/or Quinn actually may be the safer/better option for the team at this point, especially given Mara's inability to judge "up-and-coming" candidates (see McAdoo, Shurmur, Judge). In other words, Mara may be admitting he has to play it safe because the alternative is perhaps picking another dud.

(2) It is clear, not only from Schoen's response to Tierney, but Mara's post-presser answer that got a bit snippy that he is not going to change the decision-making structure. He was blunt as you can be on that.

I think that's why  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 9:31 am : link
I'm surprised that the ownership circle would be so keen on Flores.

He doesn't appear to be the kind of guy that will "play nice" with the ownership overlords looking over his shoulder.

If the pick is Quinn - that's the Mara circle doing its thing.
Good news, bad news  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 9:33 am : link
Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.
I'm starting to understand why Fiddy Six avoids this place at times  
blueblood : 1/27/2022 9:34 am : link
It can be incredibly negative and toxic especially when the Giants are losing. I honestly think some Giants fans arent happy unless they are miserable.

Does anybody actually read articles objectively anymore?

In the interviews with the GM candidates Brian Flores' name kept coming up as a potential head coach that prospective GMs were saying that would want to talk to. Flores was already on tap to interview with a few other teams. So the New York Giants reached out to make sure he knew they were interested. WHY is a problem? Seriously

The Bears and the Vikings who both need GMs were reaching out to coaches before hiring a GM. You now have NINE teams without HCs and Flores name was among many of those teams. You want to contact him to say.. " hey coach, please talk to us before you make a final decision "

and thats problem???

unreal
To Mara's credit...  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 9:35 am : link
at least he said as much.

Gotta give him that.
RE: Good news, bad news  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:
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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.


We actually don't know anything yet. Why do you keep posting things as fact?

Better question, which owners have 0 say in who gets hired to run their team and players? I'd really like to know because it sounds like its the entire league but us?
RE: RE: Good news, bad news  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 9:37 am : link
In comment 15577600 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:


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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.



We actually don't know anything yet. Why do you keep posting things as fact?

Better question, which owners have 0 say in who gets hired to run their team and players? I'd really like to know because it sounds like its the entire league but us?


Because the new GM and current owner said so.
RE: A couple of thoughts  
Sean : 1/27/2022 9:39 am : link
In comment 15577579 Eric from BBI said:
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(1) Flores and/or Quinn actually may be the safer/better option for the team at this point, especially given Mara's inability to judge "up-and-coming" candidates (see McAdoo, Shurmur, Judge). In other words, Mara may be admitting he has to play it safe because the alternative is perhaps picking another dud.

(2) It is clear, not only from Schoen's response to Tierney, but Mara's post-presser answer that got a bit snippy that he is not going to change the decision-making structure. He was blunt as you can be on that.

And he also said he has autonomy to overhaul the front office as he sees fit & has autonomy to make calls on the roster.

No owner just puts their head in the sand and disappears. That won’t ever happen here. If anything now they are eliminating the mystery around Chris Mara.
Huge overreaction  
exiled : 1/27/2022 9:39 am : link
By the OP and others. You don’t need to keep reading between the lines to look for ownership meddling.

You know, I used to check that my kids did homework when they were young. But I didn’t do the work for them. Just chill.
RE: RE: RE: Good news, bad news  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15577602 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15577600 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:


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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.



We actually don't know anything yet. Why do you keep posting things as fact?

Better question, which owners have 0 say in who gets hired to run their team and players? I'd really like to know because it sounds like its the entire league but us?



Because the new GM and current owner said so.


John Mara is putting his stamp of approval on the hire. That's about all i saw on it. Where did you see that he's picking the next HC?

Which owners operate differently?
and that quote above is  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 9:43 am : link
Mara saying that Joe needs time to meet and evaluate the FO.

What exactly is your point?
UConn4523  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 9:43 am : link
Mara is terrible at picking HC's.

I don't care what other owners do.

I keep making this analogy and still will. If you try to plumb your own house and the end result is the basement is flooded. Hire a pro and get out of the way.

Does he trust Schoen? If so, let him hire the coach.
Shoen also  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 9:43 am : link
had a response to the currently constructed in-house team during his press-conference. I don't have time to go back and copy and paste...but it didn't sound like he was going to make wholesale changes to anything.
No issues with this  
Sean : 1/27/2022 9:44 am : link
Quote:


Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Of course ownership is going to have a say. It's a collaboration.
But Schoen is leading search. Mara and Tisch give their opinions, ask their questions.

Schoen makes his pick. Then ownership either approves, or they keep digging.

That's the process. Mara hasn't lied about it
UConn4523  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 9:44 am : link
This was the quote I was looking for:

Q: This might be splitting hairs a little, but you said the GM would hire the coach. Joe said it would be collaborative, so who really has the final say?

A: It’s a collaboration. Listen, he’s not going to hire anybody that we don’t want and we’re certainly not going to hire anybody that he doesn’t want. But ownership always has the final approval over any decision like that. That’s just not going to change.

Q: Is it fair to say though that he has more say than the previous general managers in that regard?

A: No, I don’t think so. Our system has always been the same. We rely on the general manager. We rely on his advice, but at the end of the day, ownership has to approve it.
RE: UConn4523  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15577633 Eric from BBI said:
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Mara is terrible at picking HC's.

I don't care what other owners do.

I keep making this analogy and still will. If you try to plumb your own house and the end result is the basement is flooded. Hire a pro and get out of the way.

Does he trust Schoen? If so, let him hire the coach.


Sounds to me like he is. He said he we aren't hiring anyone Joe doesn't want (and vice versa). To me this sounds more like a checkered past situation than football ability being a deal breaker for Mara - see Bienemy, or even a Payton if he was available. And I get that, if he doesn't want to employ someone for ethical reasons, I 100% support that even if it has the chance of effecting wins and losses. Its still a business.
Let's see how it plays out.  
Section331 : 1/27/2022 9:49 am : link
As other posters have noted, there is nothing wrong or odd about ownership having a say in the HC decision. The concern would be if they are dictating a HC to a new GM, but we have little evidence of that.

Yes, Mara has been interviewing HC's, but he didn't have a GM in place, and interviewing someone tells them of your interest. It can simply be a placeholder until the GM is in house. I also have to assume that ownership talked about potential HC's with the GM candidates, so it is very possible that Mara is going off of that list.
I Don't Know How Much Mara is Driving this  
Lambuth_Special : 1/27/2022 9:53 am : link
But I hope people understand that the job of a head coach and GM is to build a winning football team, not fix Daniel Jones.

The Giants really have to stop operating as a reputation management firm for their QBs. it's been a problem since 2017.
and don't get me wrong here...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 9:55 am : link
as I posted above, Quinn and Flores are probably the "safer" choices. They may be the better choices.

So if Mara was to overrule Schoen here, it might not be a bad thing.

BUT... it would also tell us that Schoen's influence isn't what was originally advertised.
RE: and don't get me wrong here...  
Section331 : 1/27/2022 9:59 am : link
In comment 15577675 Eric from BBI said:
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as I posted above, Quinn and Flores are probably the "safer" choices. They may be the better choices.

So if Mara was to overrule Schoen here, it might not be a bad thing.

BUT... it would also tell us that Schoen's influence isn't what was originally advertised.


Or that maybe Schoen wasn't as high on Daboll as many suspected? I think we all fall into that narrative of if GM X worked with OC Y, they must want to work together again. That isn't always true.
RE: RE: and don't get me wrong here...  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 10:02 am : link
In comment 15577687 Section331 said:
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In comment 15577675 Eric from BBI said:


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as I posted above, Quinn and Flores are probably the "safer" choices. They may be the better choices.

So if Mara was to overrule Schoen here, it might not be a bad thing.

BUT... it would also tell us that Schoen's influence isn't what was originally advertised.



Or that maybe Schoen wasn't as high on Daboll as many suspected? I think we all fall into that narrative of if GM X worked with OC Y, they must want to work together again. That isn't always true.


That is a very possible scenario. Maybe Schoen knows that Dorsey is really the magic behind Allen and the offense - totally possible.



I don't think anyone expects the owners  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:03 am : link
to have no involvement in the selection of a head coach. No team operates that way. What many posters were hoping for with the 'carte blanche' was that the GM would pick the list of people to interview, and ultimately express his preference when the process was over. At that point, clearly Mara and Tisch could express their thoughts, but ultimately allow the GM the latitude to hire his guy unless there was something concerning about a candidate at which point they could veto the selection and move on to a second option.

Given the past several hires it is not unreasonable to want Mara especially to take a back seat. He admitted himself he has lost the trust of the fans. When comments come out that he possibly has a different favorite candidate than Schoen, it is cause for concern.

How that all became people being miserable shut-ins who hate the team or wild conspiracy theories is a bit shocking to me. Some skepticism of the process is certainly not unreasonable.

What I truly find surprising is the number of posters in the "Mara is picking the coach" camp, and the equally boisterous "You can only believe what you are told" camp.
Where is the line between  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 10:08 am : link
"wild conspiracy theory" and "reasonable skepticism"?
Mike  
JonC : 1/27/2022 10:09 am : link
It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.
RE: Where is the line between  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15577715 Dnew15 said:
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"wild conspiracy theory" and "reasonable skepticism"?


My point exactly. While a few posts are over the top, the majority of posts seem to express concern about warning signs, not about massive conspiracies, but that word is being thrown around a lot by people who clearly don't know what it means.
RE: Mike  
Sean : 1/27/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15577723 JonC said:
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It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.

Let’s see what happens under Schoen within the front office the next few months. That will determine things greatly.
RE: Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15577723 JonC said:
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It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.


I'm not sure how anyone can come away from yesterday's interviews and not retain the impression that it is pretty much same power structure.

The only difference is Schoen has replaced Gettleman, and eventually Schoen's influence will hopefully extend to other elements of the operation (i.e., scouting staff changes).
RE: Where is the line between  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15577715 Dnew15 said:
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"wild conspiracy theory" and "reasonable skepticism"?


Bingo.
RE: Mike  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:14 am : link
In comment 15577723 JonC said:
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It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.


I think that is absolutely right. I think there are people who want to believe the problems were wiped away that easy and can't stand to hear anything that challenges that notion.
....  
ryanmkeane : 1/27/2022 10:14 am : link
anyone who owns a football team is going to have input over the head coach and will have to sign off.

Posters that think Schoen can just pick the guy and say "Hey John, we are hiring Brian Flores, contract should be done shortly" isn't thinking clearly.

The difference now is that Schoen clearly wants a HC that will be aligned with him in every step. If that happens, and Mara has no real issues with the coach, then Schoen will get his guy.
RE: RE: Mike  
JonC : 1/27/2022 10:15 am : link
In comment 15577736 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15577723 JonC said:


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It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.



I'm not sure how anyone can come away from yesterday's interviews and not retain the impression that it is pretty much same power structure.

The only difference is Schoen has replaced Gettleman, and eventually Schoen's influence will hopefully extend to other elements of the operation (i.e., scouting staff changes).


Me either, it was damned disappointing even tho part of me heard exactly what I expected to hear, especially from Mara.
I don't think it's a wild conspiracy  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 10:17 am : link
to believe after yesterday's pressings that the decision making processes that lead the Giants down a path to a decade of losing are really changing all that much.

And think it's reasonably skeptical to believe that the Mara inner circle simply replaced a yes-man GM with another one.

Time will tell.
RE: ....  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15577743 ryanmkeane said:
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anyone who owns a football team is going to have input over the head coach and will have to sign off.

Posters that think Schoen can just pick the guy and say "Hey John, we are hiring Brian Flores, contract should be done shortly" isn't thinking clearly.

The difference now is that Schoen clearly wants a HC that will be aligned with him in every step. If that happens, and Mara has no real issues with the coach, then Schoen will get his guy.


I don't think there is literally anyone on this board who believed Mara would have no input. Why would he sit in the interviews if he had no input. That's a silly strawman argument.

People are reacting to reports that Mara was both reaching out to HC candidates before a GM was in place, and at least one beat writer reported that Mara may prefer a different candidate than Schoen.

Skepticism...not stupidity.
RE: ....  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15577743 ryanmkeane said:
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anyone who owns a football team is going to have input over the head coach and will have to sign off.

Posters that think Schoen can just pick the guy and say "Hey John, we are hiring Brian Flores, contract should be done shortly" isn't thinking clearly.

The difference now is that Schoen clearly wants a HC that will be aligned with him in every step. If that happens, and Mara has no real issues with the coach, then Schoen will get his guy.


I also don't think it's crazy to think that in the interview Schoen mentioned that he would like to bring Daboll in and give him a good shot at being the new HC and the "inner circle" responding with "Yeah - sure he would be a great candidate, but we here in NY have been kind of burned by the the new HC thing a couple times in the recent past, what do you think about some other guys like FLores and QUinn that have been there before."

If you were Schoen and you want the job - which of course he did - what do you think his response would be????

Is he calling the shots in that scenario???
RE: Mike  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15577723 JonC said:
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It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.


Skepticism is warranted. Definitive stamps on what's happening isn't.
RE: RE: Mike  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15577774 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15577723 JonC said:


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It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.



Skepticism is warranted. Definitive stamps on what's happening isn't.


People who are posting things like "this is a troubling sign" are being called conspiracy theorists by a significant number of posters - and not the ones that are typically on the fringe.

It has been an extreme overreaction.
RE: I don't think it's a wild conspiracy  
ron mexico : 1/27/2022 10:32 am : link
In comment 15577753 Dnew15 said:
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to believe after yesterday's pressings that the decision making processes that lead the Giants down a path to a decade of losing are really changing all that much.

And think it's reasonably skeptical to believe that the Mara inner circle simply replaced a yes-man GM with another one.

Time will tell.


exactly

and its not just the HC

For all that he said at the season ending presser, Jones and Barkley were 100% coming back. Its not exactly a directive from ownership, but it might as well be.


Mara  
EliisGod77 : 1/27/2022 10:33 am : link
should be humble abs take a step back given his failures again and again. Outside of what George Young and Enie Accorsi left to him he’s been a shit owner who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and his brother is some genius scout. Add on top of that the PSL bull, this god awful stadium and a decade of losing he’s lucky that there is still a fan base left especially a part of it that still buys his BS. I was hopeful for change but based on everything from the presser and news sounds like same old nepotism and misguided handling of the franchise will continue. Is it any surprise we heard about “Daniel” and “collaborative” yesterday. It’s like they said hey Joel you can have the GM job but we still call the shots. This franchise is crazy, even crazier is not one reporter even questioned some of these coaching suggestions or even asked why Jim Harbaugh wasn’t approached or interviewed. Dan Quinn and Flores are better coaching prospects than harbaugh. Wow.
RE: RE: Mike  
JonC : 1/27/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15577774 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15577723 JonC said:


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It seems a contingent of posters are perhaps so over past failures, they're unwilling to allow the skepticism into their minds. I get it, we all want a reversal of fortunes, but my instincts are the "collaborative" effort to find the new HC is aligning more as business as usual. Mara's comments as the presser yesterday only reinforcing what I found to be informing.



Skepticism is warranted. Definitive stamps on what's happening isn't.


Mike's correct, and the closest posters I've seen go near definitive are Eric and Terps, whose collective intuition is typically excellent.
For those  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 10:35 am : link
who haven't watched it (it's on YouTube), actually watch the Tiki/Tierney interview with Schoen yesterday. It's not long. But both those guys asked excellent questions and didn't let Schoen off the hook when asking the tough questions.
RE: Mara  
blueblood : 1/27/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15577797 EliisGod77 said:
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should be humble abs take a step back given his failures again and again. Outside of what George Young and Enie Accorsi left to him he’s been a shit owner who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and his brother is some genius scout. Add on top of that the PSL bull, this god awful stadium and a decade of losing he’s lucky that there is still a fan base left especially a part of it that still buys his BS. I was hopeful for change but based on everything from the presser and news sounds like same old nepotism and misguided handling of the franchise will continue. Is it any surprise we heard about “Daniel” and “collaborative” yesterday. It’s like they said hey Joel you can have the GM job but we still call the shots. This franchise is crazy, even crazier is not one reporter even questioned some of these coaching suggestions or even asked why Jim Harbaugh wasn’t approached or interviewed. Dan Quinn and Flores are better coaching prospects than harbaugh. Wow.


who has Harbaugh interviewed with ?? NO ONE...

everyone sees right through Harbauagh trying to squeeze UM for more money
Its  
EliisGod77 : 1/27/2022 10:38 am : link
Pretty hard to interview when no one picks up a phone and calls lol…
RE: Mara  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:39 am : link
In comment 15577797 EliisGod77 said:
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should be humble abs take a step back given his failures again and again. Outside of what George Young and Enie Accorsi left to him he’s been a shit owner who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and his brother is some genius scout. Add on top of that the PSL bull, this god awful stadium and a decade of losing he’s lucky that there is still a fan base left especially a part of it that still buys his BS. I was hopeful for change but based on everything from the presser and news sounds like same old nepotism and misguided handling of the franchise will continue. Is it any surprise we heard about “Daniel” and “collaborative” yesterday. It’s like they said hey Joel you can have the GM job but we still call the shots. This franchise is crazy, even crazier is not one reporter even questioned some of these coaching suggestions or even asked why Jim Harbaugh wasn’t approached or interviewed. Dan Quinn and Flores are better coaching prospects than harbaugh. Wow.


And this is why we get the overreactions. This is borderline hysterical.

The reporters didn't ask about Harbaugh because few believe he is really leaving Michigan. And some of what you hear in a press conference has to be taken with a grain of salt. Schoen isn't going to say "I will hire the coach and Jones hasn't shown shit so far in his career." If you expected to hear that you weren't thinking clearly.
RE: Good news, bad news  
Jimmy Googs : 1/27/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:
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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.


Why do insist on pushing this agenda lately. This is exactly what Mara said the GM is responsible for and is consistent with what Getts did too.

"This will be a comprehensive search for our next general manager," said Mara. "We are looking for a person who demonstrates exceptional leadership and communication abilities, somebody who will oversee all aspects of our football operations, including player personnel, college scouting and coaching."

In addition, the new GM is leading the process to get a new Head Coach hired. Yes, he needs to get his hire approved by the owners...save me the weak conjecture.

How can you possibly keep saying the GM isn't running things based on the above?

I see it differently but that's fine  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 10:40 am : link
just trying to get all of these possibilities organized. If Flores is hired does it mean Mara got his guy or that Schoen actually liked him the best? If its Daboll, does that mean Schoen won the power struggle? See where I'm going with this? Its quite comical, you can make up whatever angle you want.

You just said above that no one here actually thought Mara would have 0 input but I actually completely disagree, plenty post and argue like its what was promised to them.
RE: I see it differently but that's fine  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15577816 UConn4523 said:
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just trying to get all of these possibilities organized. If Flores is hired does it mean Mara got his guy or that Schoen actually liked him the best? If its Daboll, does that mean Schoen won the power struggle? See where I'm going with this? Its quite comical, you can make up whatever angle you want.

You just said above that no one here actually thought Mara would have 0 input but I actually completely disagree, plenty post and argue like its what was promised to them.


As with most things, whoever is hired will confirm for many what they already believe. Flores being hired will be proof of Mara running the team for some. Daboll being hired will be proof to some that Schoen has full autonomy and answers to nobody. People hate living with the unknown so they create a theory that makes everything understandable. It's silly not to realize people have different views and therefore different theories.

Neither one will ever be "proven" in anyway. That doesn't mean it can't be discussed.
RE: Where is the line between  
Jimmy Googs : 1/27/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15577715 Dnew15 said:
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"wild conspiracy theory" and "reasonable skepticism"?


Posters in the first group took a Drama class in high school...
Way I see it  
Go Terps : 1/27/2022 10:54 am : link
The GM the last four years was John/Chris/Gettleman. Now it's John/Chris/Schoen.

The process is flawed. It can still yield improvement and I figure it will now as the IQ just went up.

Still a flawed process, and that will probably be borne out against better processes elsewhere over a period of years.
RE: Good news, bad news  
JB_in_DC : 1/27/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:
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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.


Lmao PEPPERS WAS RIGHT. The GM has not made a single decision yet.

Do you also believe in Qanon?
RE: RE: Good news, bad news  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 11:07 am : link
In comment 15577850 JB_in_DC said:
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In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:


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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.



Lmao PEPPERS WAS RIGHT. The GM has not made a single decision yet.

Do you also believe in Qanon?


It's like EliisGod and this nub just showed up as illustrations of the fringe lunatics on this site.

Thanks to you both!
Are there people that really  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 11:10 am : link
think that the processes utilized for pro and college scouting prior to the Schoen hire were NOT collaborative?

RE: RE: Mike  
Andy340350 : 1/27/2022 11:16 am : link
Eric, what about this portion of Mara's quote, "we’re certainly not going to hire anybody that he doesn’t want." There is nothing inherently inconsistent about ownership having final say, and an acknowledgment they won't use that final say to force someone on the GM. Reserving the right not to rubber stamp the GM's first choice doesn't mean the GM will be saddled with someone he doesn't want. Sounds like both have veto power, which means that when they hired him they must have been satisfied that it just wouldn't come to that.

I suspect that ownership's final say is more about retaining the right not to commit to the GM's choice if he wants a 9 year $100MM contract. At the end of the day, (thanks Antrel) it's not the GM's money.
RE: Way I see it  
Sean : 1/27/2022 11:19 am : link
In comment 15577845 Go Terps said:
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The GM the last four years was John/Chris/Gettleman. Now it's John/Chris/Schoen.

The process is flawed. It can still yield improvement and I figure it will now as the IQ just went up.

Still a flawed process, and that will probably be borne out against better processes elsewhere over a period of years.

I’d say the Eagles are well run, and Lurie is HEAVILY involved.

Schoen said he is giving his front office a chance to see if they can buy in to his process. He will need his own outside asst GM after the draft. Need stronger people below him.
I think the concern is not simply that the owner is involved  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 11:23 am : link
Lurie is involved with the Eagles and Jones with the Cowboys, both of which have had some success with that being the case.

The counter to that is that Washington has had Snyder involved. That has worked out terribly.

I am not equating Mara with Jones/Lurie or Snyder. What I am saying is that it is Mara particularly and his poor track record that is the concern.
John Mara will always be involved.  
joe48 : 1/27/2022 11:26 am : link
Giants aren’t a conglomerate. This is the Mara’s only business. He isn’t just giving the keys to Schoen and telling him: “I’ll speak with you in September.” As other’s have said he signs the checks. Hoping he is less involved and lets the new GM do his thing.
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Go Terps : 1/27/2022 11:28 am : link
In comment 15577948 Sean said:
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In comment 15577845 Go Terps said:


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The GM the last four years was John/Chris/Gettleman. Now it's John/Chris/Schoen.

The process is flawed. It can still yield improvement and I figure it will now as the IQ just went up.

Still a flawed process, and that will probably be borne out against better processes elsewhere over a period of years.


I’d say the Eagles are well run, and Lurie is HEAVILY involved.

Schoen said he is giving his front office a chance to see if they can buy in to his process. He will need his own outside asst GM after the draft. Need stronger people below him.


It's worth remembering that if John had had his way, Chris would have been made GM when Accorsi retired. Presumably he'd keep that job until he was ready to retire - would John ever actually fire his brother? Tisch vetoed, but John essentially found a workaround.

The football side is basically being run by a homeless man's John and Robert Kennedy.

They're not good at it, so we're left hoping they luck into some good decisions. Hopefully they both retire soon and McDonnell is better than they are.
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Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 11:30 am : link
In comment 15577977 Go Terps said:
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The football side is basically being run by a homeless man's John and Robert Kennedy.


Some will take offense at this, but that was funny!
Schoen is respected around the league  
greatgrandpa : 1/27/2022 11:43 am : link
There were other GM openings and eventually will be more with him as known quality candidate He had to know what he was getting into with clueless John whose touch turns everything to garbage . So it seems to me, as a very bright guy thinking about his future and his reputation he would have asked the single most important question during his interview ‘if I make a decision that I think is in the best interests of them team are you going to overrule me.” Anything other than a yes and a handshake and you return to Allen And Buffalo and book hotel plans for the playoffs for the next several seasons until a better GM situation comes along.

That’s what I hope he asked Mara knowing who he is. I hope he got the right answer
What Giants fans want to hear at the next Mara PC:  
ZoneXDOA : 1/27/2022 6:25 pm : link
AP: “John, what do you think makes Brian Daboll the right fit as head coach of the Giants?”

Mara: “Well you’d really have to ask Joe that question. I didn’t even know we hired Brian until about 10 minutes before I walked on. I will say, though, I’ve been disappointed in that Boba Fett show on Disney +. I mean, the best episode didn’t even have Boba in it amiright?!”

AP: “Do you see a future for the NY Giants that includes Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones?”

Mara: “No clue! With Joe I have a ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ policy and I don’t ask Joe a God damned thing! You think we’ll get to see Baby Yoda and Luke again? That could really save this otherwise mediocre series! Seems a lot easier than fixing this offense, though, amiright?! But you’ll need to check with Joe about that. Deuces✌🏻!”
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Jimmy Googs : 1/29/2022 3:43 pm : link
for a little humorous reading from just 2 days ago...
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