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Mara forcing another coach

EliisGod77 : 1/27/2022 7:53 am
Having read all the latest articles and watching the presser for Schoen it becomes very clear that despite all the negative press and failure he’s had John Mara continues to meddle in this process along with his idiot brother. How do you say one minute it’s the GMs call on coaches and then the first thing we hear yesterday from schoen is “collaborative” when it comes to the head coaching job? Mara running out to call Brian Flores, when we didn’t even have a GM and now there are reports Daboll is going to Miami and that Flores is imminent. Flores is a horrible choice, and sounds exactly like a Mara hire. His offenses were pedestrian, teams ok and he’s a monster to deal with. On top of that our offensive is a shit show and hiring this guy is not going to fix Daniel Jones or make us a better team. He’s just a carbon copy of Judge, ultra conservative, with no imagination or idea how to put a staff together. I’m amazed at the love affair for this guy. Simply amazed.
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We don't know that yet  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 7:56 am : link
I'm no fan of the Maras, but I'm withholding judgment until all the facts are known,
This talk is getting exhausting  
Sean : 1/27/2022 7:59 am : link
I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
You know the last three coaches Mara hired  
AnnapolisMike : 1/27/2022 8:03 am : link
were first time head coaches...right?
You literally don't know anything  
bdre992 : 1/27/2022 8:03 am : link
Some of you need to go outside and take a deep breath.
RE: You know the last three coaches Mara hired  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 8:04 am : link
In comment 15577382 AnnapolisMike said:
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were first time head coaches...right?


Shurmur wasn't.
RE: You literally don't know anything  
DavidinBMNY : 1/27/2022 8:04 am : link
In comment 15577383 bdre992 said:
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Some of you need to go outside and take a deep breath.
that's true - but it is to cold out.
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
EricJ : 1/27/2022 8:05 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


Agree with what you say. What you hope though is even when the owners weigh in, the GMs vote should carry just a bit more weight.

The thing that I have been picking up on is/are the few subtle comments about Chris Mara this week. He was referenced multiple times by either Mara or Schoen during the various interviews. Almost like there is a doubling down on the idea that YES Chris is an owner, he is part of the process, and you fans should just STFU already.
If Dan Quinn is hired  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
Does that mean Tom Quinn will go? How many Quinns can you carry on your staff.
Conspiracy theories continue  
BigBlueJ : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
on BBI...
I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Andy in Boston : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
HomerJones45 : 1/27/2022 8:06 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
Some owners may have a talent for personnel and others do not. You would hope that the ones who do not are self aware enough to realize it and back off. Ours definitely does not but does not realize it or realizes and can't help himself.
RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
rsjem1979 : 1/27/2022 8:10 am : link
In comment 15577391 Andy in Boston said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.


Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
I find it hard to believe that they'll  
bigbluehoya : 1/27/2022 8:11 am : link
select a HC with a defensive background given the hellscape this team has been on offense, and the trends we are seeing around the league as far as successful teams.
did this keep you up at night?  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 8:11 am : link
this place is a real treat.
Brother's a Fanatic Dolphin Fan  
Jeffrey : 1/27/2022 8:12 am : link
who has done work for the Dolphins in a non-football area, and agrees with all of the above about Flores. Guy built his team up but the success was not going to be sustainable given his personality and the fact that he is a control freak. Fought with his GM and his QB and other players. Take a look at his turnaround season this year and see that 5 of the 9 wins came against the Giants, Jets (twice), Carolina and Houston, plus a win over a Saints team that was totally undermanned this year. Get a coach for the offense and one who can work with his QB.
Of course it is  
section125 : 1/27/2022 8:12 am : link
collaborative. Who do you think is signing the checks? Name one team that the owner doesn't check on the HC hiring and approves.

Of all the names mentioned for HC, not one is unknown. Not one is outside of Mara's comfort zone. Seems to me, even though Schoen is doing the hiring, he is letting Mara and Tisch know who he is picking and why.
You're not the only one  
Biteymax22 : 1/27/2022 8:15 am : link
saying things like this, so I'm not directing this at you but its a general statement: No matter who is given the authority to do what by an owner of a business, at the end of the day the owner is ALWAYS the final say. Schoen hires someone Mara doesn't want, Mara fires Schoen, so Mara was always going to have some say in who was hired.

And maybe we can look at this in another angle. If Daboll isn't the guy, maybe Schoen actually took and objective look at all the candidates and didn't just hire his buddy...

All these guys have worts, but its not off the table to say Flores, Quinn, Frazier are all qualified and have a real shot at this job.
RE: Brother's a Fanatic Dolphin Fan  
jeff57 : 1/27/2022 8:18 am : link
In comment 15577399 Jeffrey said:
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who has done work for the Dolphins in a non-football area, and agrees with all of the above about Flores. Guy built his team up but the success was not going to be sustainable given his personality and the fact that he is a control freak. Fought with his GM and his QB and other players. Take a look at his turnaround season this year and see that 5 of the 9 wins came against the Giants, Jets (twice), Carolina and Houston, plus a win over a Saints team that was totally undermanned this year. Get a coach for the offense and one who can work with his QB.


He went 10-6 in 2020.
I would care less if they were controlling owners  
ron mexico : 1/27/2022 8:18 am : link
if they just owned it, all this carte blanche bullshit is infuriating.

It would also help if they had just a little bit of skill assembling a team to compete on sundays
Homer  
Sean : 1/27/2022 8:21 am : link
I just think any owner will have input on HC+QB. Now it’s up to Schoen to be decisive in what he wants out of each.

The Mara’s are not going away, but a better GM certainly can help tremendously.
RE: You literally don't know anything  
BillT : 1/27/2022 8:24 am : link
In comment 15577383 bdre992 said:
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Some of you need to go outside and take a deep breath.

Truer words never spoken. The lunacy on this board is completely off the rails.
In Buffalo, the front office built an analytics department  
AdamBrag : 1/27/2022 8:26 am : link
then told the coaching staff, okay, you should completely re-design the offense because here's what the analytics say.

Is Flores going to be okay being told how he needs to run the offense and defense, even if there's evidence backing it up? Doesn't sound like it.

OP - you talk like someone has been hired already  
JohnB : 1/27/2022 8:26 am : link
did I miss something?
I'm interested in staff, honestly  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/27/2022 8:29 am : link
The last few coaches had shit coordinators and assistants

Can the next coach bring in a Fangio or Martindale as DC or a hot OC from the 49ers or Rams or something?

I think that is just as important

Supposition presented as fact…  
Chris in Philly : 1/27/2022 8:31 am : link
On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.
RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Andy in Boston : 1/27/2022 8:32 am : link
In comment 15577395 rsjem1979 said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.


4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?
RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Chris in Philly : 1/27/2022 8:34 am : link
In comment 15577395 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 15577391 Andy in Boston said:


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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.


Dumb.
If it gets us Quinn  
Boatie Warrant : 1/27/2022 8:34 am : link
I'm good with it
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/27/2022 8:35 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


No Sean don’t you get it? The owners just pay out millions of dollars to players and staff and have no say in any decisions. And besides that none of us know what is actually going on behind the scenes it all pure speculation. Somebody shoots out a fucking tweet and this place implodes. Nothing but a bunch of whiny little c- -ts.
So if the hire isnt Daboll, we are just going to get our pitchforks  
BigBlue7 : 1/27/2022 8:36 am : link
out and assume Mara forced the HC hire?
Winning  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 8:36 am : link
cures all ills.

Just freakin win and everyone will get off your back.
RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
BigBlue7 : 1/27/2022 8:38 am : link
In comment 15577433 Andy in Boston said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?


It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.

Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.

So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles

RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
section125 : 1/27/2022 8:38 am : link
In comment 15577433 Andy in Boston said:
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In comment 15577391 Andy in Boston said:


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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?


Yeah, but...
RE: Supposition presented as fact…  
Brown_Hornet : 1/27/2022 8:42 am : link
In comment 15577432 Chris in Philly said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.
This.
RE: RE: Supposition presented as fact…  
Slowasski : 1/27/2022 8:45 am : link
In comment 15577461 Brown_Hornet said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.

This.


I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?
We just keep clinging to every word in every article  
UberAlias : 1/27/2022 8:48 am : link
Every statement of a “source believes” on Twitter in print as excuse to cry foul. We know, they’ve made terrible decisions before. But can we at least let the new guy make a single decision before we rip him? He’s already slammed in multiple threads as hack only hired because he’s a spineless puppet who lacks an eye for talent. I don’t see how anyone inside or outside the building can have that opinion with any degree of confidence. Some asshats coming off as more ass than anything under the hat if you ask me. I’ll wait for the guy to actually fucks something up before I start bitching. It didn’t take Gettlemen very long.
Mara  
Archer : 1/27/2022 8:49 am : link
I sincerely hope that the ownership does not impose their choice upon Schoen.

In a matter that is like having Judge accept Garrett as his OC.

I hope that Schoen selects who he believes is the best person for the job.

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Chris in Philly : 1/27/2022 8:49 am : link
In comment 15577470 Slowasski said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.

This.



I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?


You are probably a dupe, but that was funny. Huzzah.
Positive signs.  
giantBCP : 1/27/2022 8:51 am : link
It shows that Mara knows that player personnel decisions have been our Achilles heel. Let Schoen focus on acquiring talented players rather than bringing his cronies from Buffalo.
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Andy in Boston : 1/27/2022 8:52 am : link
In comment 15577449 BigBlue7 said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.



4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?



It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.

Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.

So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles


who said "masterminds".....get a grip. It could be alot worse.
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Slowasski : 1/27/2022 8:53 am : link
In comment 15577488 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 15577461 Brown_Hornet said:


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In comment 15577432 Chris in Philly said:


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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.

This.



I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?



You are probably a dupe, but that was funny. Huzzah.


Correct about the dupage, but I am useful dupe.

A great dupe once said,

"For not all dupes are created equal.
I live for the hope of a great day when the good
dupes are separated by a great divide from the
useless, bandwidth wasting dupes who are consumed
by the idea of their brilliance."


RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
Chris684 : 1/27/2022 8:54 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


Great post.

Particularly your last sentence.

"Let Schoen handle it....unless it's Frazier!"
This Is What Worries Me About Flores  
BlueVinnie : 1/27/2022 8:56 am : link
if the reports regarding why Flores was fired in Miami are true.

It seems odd to me that Mara would have reached out to a head coaching candidate even before he had hired the GM. Perhaps it's because each of the GM candidates had expressed some interest in Flores but we don't know that for sure. I'm hoping that is the reason rather than Mara wanting Flores to be the coach here. If it's due to Mara being enamored with Flores, I smell trouble.

The GM & HC need to be aligned regarding the direction of the team. If Flores is "Mara's guy" and Flores did initiate a power struggle of sorts in Miami (along with the communication issues) how long will it be before Flores starts running straight to Mara whenever he doesn't get his way/disagrees with Schoen?
RE: Brother's a Fanatic Dolphin Fan  
Maryland Blows : 1/27/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15577399 Jeffrey said:
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who has done work for the Dolphins in a non-football area, and agrees with all of the above about Flores. Guy built his team up but the success was not going to be sustainable given his personality and the fact that he is a control freak. Fought with his GM and his QB and other players. Take a look at his turnaround season this year and see that 5 of the 9 wins came against the Giants, Jets (twice), Carolina and Houston, plus a win over a Saints team that was totally undermanned this year. Get a coach for the offense and one who can work with his QB.


I can think of 2 other prior Giants head coaches who were gruff and whose personalities were tough. 4 Super Bowls later, just saying.
RE: This Is What Worries Me About Flores  
section125 : 1/27/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15577508 BlueVinnie said:
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if the reports regarding why Flores was fired in Miami are true.

It seems odd to me that Mara would have reached out to a head coaching candidate even before he had hired the GM. Perhaps it's because each of the GM candidates had expressed some interest in Flores but we don't know that for sure. I'm hoping that is the reason rather than Mara wanting Flores to be the coach here. If it's due to Mara being enamored with Flores, I smell trouble.

The GM & HC need to be aligned regarding the direction of the team. If Flores is "Mara's guy" and Flores did initiate a power struggle of sorts in Miami (along with the communication issues) how long will it be before Flores starts running straight to Mara whenever he doesn't get his way/disagrees with Schoen?


He was setting up interviews based on what the GM candidates told him would be on their list of HCs to interview.
RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
Neckbone1333 : 1/27/2022 9:01 am : link
In comment 15577395 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 15577391 Andy in Boston said:


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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.



Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.


Imagine being in sports radio and making this dopey comment. The best is you say you have been a fan since 1986, but yet say the Giants ownership has sucked since the 60's. Man, I feel bad for some people's family and friends.
I have heard the phrase  
chick310 : 1/27/2022 9:03 am : link
"don't force the pick" but never don't force the coach.

By the way, the monster to deal with comment sounds awful harsh. What makes you think he is the second coming of Hannibal Lecter?
That’s Life in the Real World  
NJLCO : 1/27/2022 9:10 am : link
Whoever brought this up must work for the state or federal government.
Real world owners make decisions. Period. Did you really believe Schoen week 2 was going to hire a HC and not discuss it with Mara and Tisch or get their blessing. WTF
RE: This talk is getting exhausting  
joeinpa : 1/27/2022 9:15 am : link
In comment 15577379 Sean said:
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I get the Giants don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and it’s been an awful stretch. But, name me the owners in the NFL that just put their head in the sand and offer no input on a HC hire?

Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.

Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.


Yes it , but as they say it s very difficult to put the toothpaste back in the jar.

Until the Giants begin winning, we here on bbi need to resign ourselves to the probability that every-time a decision is reached with posters like the OP, that they disagree with, it will be that “Mara is meddling “ as if an owner of a billion dollar business should have no say in the hiring of such a central piece to his franchise, comical really.

In this particular case I get the feeling that unless it s Dabol, the Mara narrative will continue to dominate the board, even if it would be coaches like Quinn and Flores, two legitimate candidates for the position.

This will continue to occur even though Mara with his decision on Gettleman, Judge and Abrams, demonstrated those screaming at the top of their lungs that they knew exactly how those decisions were going to go, Mara will never change, we’re totally wrong, you d think they would have been humbled to some extent, but the nonsense continues

I know. Mara wanted to appt Abrams and keep Judge……..but he didn’t. Don’t tell me what he wanted, tell me what he did

RE: RE: RE: RE: I think all of this talk on Mara making the decisions and nepotism is  
rsjem1979 : 1/27/2022 9:15 am : link
In comment 15577449 BigBlue7 said:
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4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?



It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.

Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.

So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles


I feel like it shouldn't be necessary to give this lesson in Giants history so often, but here we are again.

Wellington ran the Giants into the ground and was feuding with Tim, so much so that the goddamn commissioner had to rescue them from being an embarrassment to the entire league.

Everything this organization has ever won can be traced back directly to the foundation George Young began building while John Mara was in law school.
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