Having read all the latest articles and watching the presser for Schoen it becomes very clear that despite all the negative press and failure he’s had John Mara continues to meddle in this process along with his idiot brother. How do you say one minute it’s the GMs call on coaches and then the first thing we hear yesterday from schoen is “collaborative” when it comes to the head coaching job? Mara running out to call Brian Flores, when we didn’t even have a GM and now there are reports Daboll is going to Miami and that Flores is imminent. Flores is a horrible choice, and sounds exactly like a Mara hire. His offenses were pedestrian, teams ok and he’s a monster to deal with. On top of that our offensive is a shit show and hiring this guy is not going to fix Daniel Jones or make us a better team. He’s just a carbon copy of Judge, ultra conservative, with no imagination or idea how to put a staff together. I’m amazed at the love affair for this guy. Simply amazed.
Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.
Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
Shurmur wasn't.
Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.
Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
Agree with what you say. What you hope though is even when the owners weigh in, the GMs vote should carry just a bit more weight.
The thing that I have been picking up on is/are the few subtle comments about Chris Mara this week. He was referenced multiple times by either Mara or Schoen during the various interviews. Almost like there is a doubling down on the idea that YES Chris is an owner, he is part of the process, and you fans should just STFU already.
Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.
Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
Of all the names mentioned for HC, not one is unknown. Not one is outside of Mara's comfort zone. Seems to me, even though Schoen is doing the hiring, he is letting Mara and Tisch know who he is picking and why.
And maybe we can look at this in another angle. If Daboll isn't the guy, maybe Schoen actually took and objective look at all the candidates and didn't just hire his buddy...
All these guys have worts, but its not off the table to say Flores, Quinn, Frazier are all qualified and have a real shot at this job.
He went 10-6 in 2020.
It would also help if they had just a little bit of skill assembling a team to compete on sundays
The Mara’s are not going away, but a better GM certainly can help tremendously.
Truer words never spoken. The lunacy on this board is completely off the rails.
Is Flores going to be okay being told how he needs to run the offense and defense, even if there's evidence backing it up? Doesn't sound like it.
Can the next coach bring in a Fangio or Martindale as DC or a hot OC from the 49ers or Rams or something?
I think that is just as important
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
Dumb.
Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.
Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
No Sean don’t you get it? The owners just pay out millions of dollars to players and staff and have no say in any decisions. And besides that none of us know what is actually going on behind the scenes it all pure speculation. Somebody shoots out a fucking tweet and this place implodes. Nothing but a bunch of whiny little c- -ts.
Just freakin win and everyone will get off your back.
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?
It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.
Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.
So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles
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In comment 15577391 Andy in Boston said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?
Yeah, but...
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.
This.
I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?
In a matter that is like having Judge accept Garrett as his OC.
I hope that Schoen selects who he believes is the best person for the job.
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.
This.
I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?
You are probably a dupe, but that was funny. Huzzah.
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In comment 15577391 Andy in Boston said:
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?
It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.
Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.
So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles
who said "masterminds".....get a grip. It could be alot worse.
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In comment 15577432 Chris in Philly said:
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On thread after thread, day after day, week after week. You think you know, but you don’t know and you never will.
This.
I have been under the impression the brilliance factor here is high. Have I erred?
You are probably a dupe, but that was funny. Huzzah.
Correct about the dupage, but I am useful dupe.
A great dupe once said,
"For not all dupes are created equal.
I live for the hope of a great day when the good
dupes are separated by a great divide from the
useless, bandwidth wasting dupes who are consumed
by the idea of their brilliance."
Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.
Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
Great post.
Particularly your last sentence.
"Let Schoen handle it....unless it's Frazier!"
It seems odd to me that Mara would have reached out to a head coaching candidate even before he had hired the GM. Perhaps it's because each of the GM candidates had expressed some interest in Flores but we don't know that for sure. I'm hoping that is the reason rather than Mara wanting Flores to be the coach here. If it's due to Mara being enamored with Flores, I smell trouble.
The GM & HC need to be aligned regarding the direction of the team. If Flores is "Mara's guy" and Flores did initiate a power struggle of sorts in Miami (along with the communication issues) how long will it be before Flores starts running straight to Mara whenever he doesn't get his way/disagrees with Schoen?
I can think of 2 other prior Giants head coaches who were gruff and whose personalities were tough. 4 Super Bowls later, just saying.
It seems odd to me that Mara would have reached out to a head coaching candidate even before he had hired the GM. Perhaps it's because each of the GM candidates had expressed some interest in Flores but we don't know that for sure. I'm hoping that is the reason rather than Mara wanting Flores to be the coach here. If it's due to Mara being enamored with Flores, I smell trouble.
The GM & HC need to be aligned regarding the direction of the team. If Flores is "Mara's guy" and Flores did initiate a power struggle of sorts in Miami (along with the communication issues) how long will it be before Flores starts running straight to Mara whenever he doesn't get his way/disagrees with Schoen?
He was setting up interviews based on what the GM candidates told him would be on their list of HCs to interview.
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amusing. Pretty sure all owners make the final call in the NFL....after all if you own a business, that's the way it works.
Well the Mara family sucks at it and has since the 1960s.
Imagine being in sports radio and making this dopey comment. The best is you say you have been a fan since 1986, but yet say the Giants ownership has sucked since the 60's. Man, I feel bad for some people's family and friends.
By the way, the monster to deal with comment sounds awful harsh. What makes you think he is the second coming of Hannibal Lecter?
Real world owners make decisions. Period. Did you really believe Schoen week 2 was going to hire a HC and not discuss it with Mara and Tisch or get their blessing. WTF
Lurie is VERY involved with the Eagles. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Kraft meddled with Brady/Jimmy G. Schoen admitted that him & Beane met with ownership for 17 hours prior to drafting Josh Allen.
Mara is never going to be an absentee owner. BBI will implode too if Frazier is hired who very well may be high on Schoen’s list.
Yes it , but as they say it s very difficult to put the toothpaste back in the jar.
Until the Giants begin winning, we here on bbi need to resign ourselves to the probability that every-time a decision is reached with posters like the OP, that they disagree with, it will be that “Mara is meddling “ as if an owner of a billion dollar business should have no say in the hiring of such a central piece to his franchise, comical really.
In this particular case I get the feeling that unless it s Dabol, the Mara narrative will continue to dominate the board, even if it would be coaches like Quinn and Flores, two legitimate candidates for the position.
This will continue to occur even though Mara with his decision on Gettleman, Judge and Abrams, demonstrated those screaming at the top of their lungs that they knew exactly how those decisions were going to go, Mara will never change, we’re totally wrong, you d think they would have been humbled to some extent, but the nonsense continues
I know. Mara wanted to appt Abrams and keep Judge……..but he didn’t. Don’t tell me what he wanted, tell me what he did
4 Super Bowls - how many NFL franchises have those ?
It took the NFL forcing Young onto Wellington Mara to get us the SBs in 1986 and 1990.
Young then brought in Ernie Accorsi as his assistant GM and then he was made GM.
So lets stop pretending that the Maras are the masterminds behind the 4 SB titles
I feel like it shouldn't be necessary to give this lesson in Giants history so often, but here we are again.
Wellington ran the Giants into the ground and was feuding with Tim, so much so that the goddamn commissioner had to rescue them from being an embarrassment to the entire league.
Everything this organization has ever won can be traced back directly to the foundation George Young began building while John Mara was in law school.