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Mara forcing another coach

EliisGod77 : 1/27/2022 7:53 am
Having read all the latest articles and watching the presser for Schoen it becomes very clear that despite all the negative press and failure he’s had John Mara continues to meddle in this process along with his idiot brother. How do you say one minute it’s the GMs call on coaches and then the first thing we hear yesterday from schoen is “collaborative” when it comes to the head coaching job? Mara running out to call Brian Flores, when we didn’t even have a GM and now there are reports Daboll is going to Miami and that Flores is imminent. Flores is a horrible choice, and sounds exactly like a Mara hire. His offenses were pedestrian, teams ok and he’s a monster to deal with. On top of that our offensive is a shit show and hiring this guy is not going to fix Daniel Jones or make us a better team. He’s just a carbon copy of Judge, ultra conservative, with no imagination or idea how to put a staff together. I’m amazed at the love affair for this guy. Simply amazed.
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I see it differently but that's fine  
UConn4523 : 1/27/2022 10:40 am : link
just trying to get all of these possibilities organized. If Flores is hired does it mean Mara got his guy or that Schoen actually liked him the best? If its Daboll, does that mean Schoen won the power struggle? See where I'm going with this? Its quite comical, you can make up whatever angle you want.

You just said above that no one here actually thought Mara would have 0 input but I actually completely disagree, plenty post and argue like its what was promised to them.
RE: I see it differently but that's fine  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15577816 UConn4523 said:
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just trying to get all of these possibilities organized. If Flores is hired does it mean Mara got his guy or that Schoen actually liked him the best? If its Daboll, does that mean Schoen won the power struggle? See where I'm going with this? Its quite comical, you can make up whatever angle you want.

You just said above that no one here actually thought Mara would have 0 input but I actually completely disagree, plenty post and argue like its what was promised to them.


As with most things, whoever is hired will confirm for many what they already believe. Flores being hired will be proof of Mara running the team for some. Daboll being hired will be proof to some that Schoen has full autonomy and answers to nobody. People hate living with the unknown so they create a theory that makes everything understandable. It's silly not to realize people have different views and therefore different theories.

Neither one will ever be "proven" in anyway. That doesn't mean it can't be discussed.
RE: Where is the line between  
Jimmy Googs : 1/27/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15577715 Dnew15 said:
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"wild conspiracy theory" and "reasonable skepticism"?


Posters in the first group took a Drama class in high school...
Way I see it  
Go Terps : 1/27/2022 10:54 am : link
The GM the last four years was John/Chris/Gettleman. Now it's John/Chris/Schoen.

The process is flawed. It can still yield improvement and I figure it will now as the IQ just went up.

Still a flawed process, and that will probably be borne out against better processes elsewhere over a period of years.
RE: Good news, bad news  
JB_in_DC : 1/27/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:
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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.


Lmao PEPPERS WAS RIGHT. The GM has not made a single decision yet.

Do you also believe in Qanon?
RE: RE: Good news, bad news  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 11:07 am : link
In comment 15577850 JB_in_DC said:
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In comment 15577588 Eric from BBI said:


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Good news is that Schoen MAY be better than Gettleman (probably is) and Schoen MAY be able to convince Mara to do the right thing (debatable).

Bad news... Schoen is not running the operation. Peppers was right.



Lmao PEPPERS WAS RIGHT. The GM has not made a single decision yet.

Do you also believe in Qanon?


It's like EliisGod and this nub just showed up as illustrations of the fringe lunatics on this site.

Thanks to you both!
Are there people that really  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 11:10 am : link
think that the processes utilized for pro and college scouting prior to the Schoen hire were NOT collaborative?

RE: RE: Mike  
Andy340350 : 1/27/2022 11:16 am : link
Eric, what about this portion of Mara's quote, "we’re certainly not going to hire anybody that he doesn’t want." There is nothing inherently inconsistent about ownership having final say, and an acknowledgment they won't use that final say to force someone on the GM. Reserving the right not to rubber stamp the GM's first choice doesn't mean the GM will be saddled with someone he doesn't want. Sounds like both have veto power, which means that when they hired him they must have been satisfied that it just wouldn't come to that.

I suspect that ownership's final say is more about retaining the right not to commit to the GM's choice if he wants a 9 year $100MM contract. At the end of the day, (thanks Antrel) it's not the GM's money.
RE: Way I see it  
Sean : 1/27/2022 11:19 am : link
In comment 15577845 Go Terps said:
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The GM the last four years was John/Chris/Gettleman. Now it's John/Chris/Schoen.

The process is flawed. It can still yield improvement and I figure it will now as the IQ just went up.

Still a flawed process, and that will probably be borne out against better processes elsewhere over a period of years.

I’d say the Eagles are well run, and Lurie is HEAVILY involved.

Schoen said he is giving his front office a chance to see if they can buy in to his process. He will need his own outside asst GM after the draft. Need stronger people below him.
I think the concern is not simply that the owner is involved  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 11:23 am : link
Lurie is involved with the Eagles and Jones with the Cowboys, both of which have had some success with that being the case.

The counter to that is that Washington has had Snyder involved. That has worked out terribly.

I am not equating Mara with Jones/Lurie or Snyder. What I am saying is that it is Mara particularly and his poor track record that is the concern.
John Mara will always be involved.  
joe48 : 1/27/2022 11:26 am : link
Giants aren’t a conglomerate. This is the Mara’s only business. He isn’t just giving the keys to Schoen and telling him: “I’ll speak with you in September.” As other’s have said he signs the checks. Hoping he is less involved and lets the new GM do his thing.
RE: RE: Way I see it  
Go Terps : 1/27/2022 11:28 am : link
In comment 15577948 Sean said:
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In comment 15577845 Go Terps said:


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The GM the last four years was John/Chris/Gettleman. Now it's John/Chris/Schoen.

The process is flawed. It can still yield improvement and I figure it will now as the IQ just went up.

Still a flawed process, and that will probably be borne out against better processes elsewhere over a period of years.


I’d say the Eagles are well run, and Lurie is HEAVILY involved.

Schoen said he is giving his front office a chance to see if they can buy in to his process. He will need his own outside asst GM after the draft. Need stronger people below him.


It's worth remembering that if John had had his way, Chris would have been made GM when Accorsi retired. Presumably he'd keep that job until he was ready to retire - would John ever actually fire his brother? Tisch vetoed, but John essentially found a workaround.

The football side is basically being run by a homeless man's John and Robert Kennedy.

They're not good at it, so we're left hoping they luck into some good decisions. Hopefully they both retire soon and McDonnell is better than they are.
RE: RE: RE: Way I see it  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 11:30 am : link
In comment 15577977 Go Terps said:
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The football side is basically being run by a homeless man's John and Robert Kennedy.


Some will take offense at this, but that was funny!
Schoen is respected around the league  
greatgrandpa : 1/27/2022 11:43 am : link
There were other GM openings and eventually will be more with him as known quality candidate He had to know what he was getting into with clueless John whose touch turns everything to garbage . So it seems to me, as a very bright guy thinking about his future and his reputation he would have asked the single most important question during his interview ‘if I make a decision that I think is in the best interests of them team are you going to overrule me.” Anything other than a yes and a handshake and you return to Allen And Buffalo and book hotel plans for the playoffs for the next several seasons until a better GM situation comes along.

That’s what I hope he asked Mara knowing who he is. I hope he got the right answer
What Giants fans want to hear at the next Mara PC:  
ZoneXDOA : 1/27/2022 6:25 pm : link
AP: “John, what do you think makes Brian Daboll the right fit as head coach of the Giants?”

Mara: “Well you’d really have to ask Joe that question. I didn’t even know we hired Brian until about 10 minutes before I walked on. I will say, though, I’ve been disappointed in that Boba Fett show on Disney +. I mean, the best episode didn’t even have Boba in it amiright?!”

AP: “Do you see a future for the NY Giants that includes Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones?”

Mara: “No clue! With Joe I have a ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ policy and I don’t ask Joe a God damned thing! You think we’ll get to see Baby Yoda and Luke again? That could really save this otherwise mediocre series! Seems a lot easier than fixing this offense, though, amiright?! But you’ll need to check with Joe about that. Deuces✌🏻!”
Bumping this thead  
Jimmy Googs : 1/29/2022 3:43 pm : link
for a little humorous reading from just 2 days ago...
I hate conspiracy theories  
Ira : 1/29/2022 3:45 pm : link
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Jimmy Googs : 1/29/2022 3:55 pm : link
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