I'll preface this by saying that I don't know if Jones is the long term answer or not. I hope that he is since that would be one less position to worry about and be able to use draft assets elsewhere. I also know that the Jones discussion has been beaten to death.
That being said, I watched his rookie highlights the other day for the hell of it and to me it doesn't look like the same QB. Granted I'm not an evaluator by any means, but there seemed to be more downfield shots and RPO's in this 13 minute reel than the last two season combined. I have to wonder how much the conservative nature of the offensive scheme and play calling hampered both Jones and the offense. I know the OL play was horrendous this past season and not that good in 2020 either. But it's not like the '07 line was blocking for Jones' rookie year either.
I'm sure this will eventually turn into a pro Jones vs the anti Jones group discussion, but for the sake of it, at least try to keep things in the middle strictly discussing how much more a benefit it was to have an OC like Shurmur vs what we saw under JJ and JG.
Some of the plays I really liked... 1:08 (two plays back to back here, throws to Slayton and Shep); 2:28 (again two plays back to back at this mark); 3:13; 3:41; 4:38 (two plays back to back at this mark); 8:29 and 12:30. Some of the ball placement and throws on these were beautiful. Lastly, I think there were more plays in this reel where WR were open in space than the last two seasons combined as well.
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The red flags get brighter when you see his college years followed the same pattern and so did the last two years. 40% of his touchdowns this year came in 2 games. 73% of his TDs the year before came in just 4 of his 14 starts. 54% of his touchdowns his rookie year came 3 games.
Now look at his college stats:
Year 1: a majority came in 4 of his games, but more spread out
Year 2: 12 touchdowns in 6 games, 2 in the other 7
Year 3: 18 of 22 touchdowns in 5 of 11 games.
The same pattern has followed him the last 6 years. Good for a couple games out of the year, but mediocre to bad for the rest. We have plenty evidence to what Jones is.
Barely 3000 yards, less than 2 TDs a game, and 23 turnovers. That's not awesome.
The red flags get brighter when you see his college years followed the same pattern and so did the last two years. 40% of his touchdowns this year came in 2 games. 73% of his TDs the year before came in just 4 of his 14 starts. 54% of his touchdowns his rookie year came 3 games.
Now look at his college stats:
Year 1: a majority came in 4 of his games, but more spread out
Year 2: 12 touchdowns in 6 games, 2 in the other 7
Year 3: 18 of 22 touchdowns in 5 of 11 games.
The same pattern has followed him the last 6 years. Good for a couple games out of the year, but mediocre to bad for the rest. We have plenty evidence to what Jones is.
Very good post. The teams Jones did well against in 2019 were Detroit, WFT, Tamps and NYJ. Detroit, WFT and Tampa were 26th, 27th and 29th, respectively, in PPG allowed. The Jets were 16th, and Jones fumbled 3X in that game.
The Bucs, meanwhile, were an historically bad D that year on the passing side. Everyone lit them up.
Now, Jones deserves credit for executing in those games. But outside those four games, he was very mediocre. In five of those games, btw, his QBRs were between 14-32. Just putrid play.
To me the biggest difference wasn't scheme (although there may have been problems there as well), it was the willingness to be aggressive with the ball and put it in play during his rookie year vs. the ones under Judge.
Well, Jones ain't getting that continuity in the first year with a new HC and OC. That continuity can only work if Jones gets two years under a new staff.
So get ready for more ordinary football from our ordinary QB who was over-drafted by a full round in 2019.
Childish take.
I think it would be interesting if he could truly be candid to hear what he has to say about the situations that he has faced in his stint as an NFL quarterback.
I think it would be interesting if he could truly be candid to hear what he has to say about the situations that he has faced in his stint as an NFL quarterback.
Jones is very good a taking the high road. This is the one characteristic he has in common with Eli.
Not that I would get a chance to talk to Daniel Jones...
But talking to them especially after a season or in my case after graduation can be eye opening.
I'd love to hear what DJ has to say about each season.
I watched Burrow, Mahomes, & Allen this weekend. All are in same age bracket as Jones. And all are in a different stratosphere talent wise.
I watched Burrow, Mahomes, & Allen this weekend. All are in same age bracket as Jones. And all are in a different stratosphere talent wise.
is there anyone in that talent stratosphere available in the draft this year?