as head coach of the Giants. I would be fine with DaBoll too though not Leslie Frazier (he just doesn't seem like THE guy with a young team).
I am hoping we get David Culley on board with the Offense- he really had a nice hand in keeping a very over matched Houston team together and Mills developed nicely when thrown into the fire.
His offenses and offensive coordinator decisions were a joke.
He will wear on this team within 3 years.
Go for the homerun and get the offensive mastermind in Daboll.
Ultimately, I want someone who can develop a QB, because we don’t have our answer yet (considering his play) and we may be looking again, next year.
The reports of Flores not wanting Tua, have me concerned about what that plan looks like going forward. Not a huge Tua fan, personally, but how you go about your business is important
Really want Daboll, but expecting something different
I don't feel like the Tua/Grier situation is amicable as it sounds. A lot of moving parts in there. From what I've seen, plenty of players like him.
His offenses and offensive coordinator decisions were a joke.
He will wear on this team within 3 years.
Go for the homerun and get the offensive mastermind in Daboll.
If we aren't winning by year 3 than he's gone anyway. What's the difference?
I'd love to see how things happen at Jints Central with him at the helm.
Doug Pederson won a Super Bowl with a backup QB and made the playoffs 3 of his last 4 years in Philly in this division. Dan Quinn was the DC of the Legion of Boom and vastly improved defense in Dallas, and "oh, he made the Super Bowl." But, yeah, let's go with Flores--makes a ton of sense.
lol. Now that's funny
So coming into today’s face to face, they will have their in-person read on the guy. In fact, the more guys sitting in on the interview, the better, at least in this case, imv..
Something will leak out, even a vibe or two, I believe
Flores is my first choice because I want to root for a defense that creates a home field advantage. I agree the offensive issues in Miami are problematic. Without a really good OC it could be a real issue.
We have seen so many coordinators promoted to HC because they're working with elite QBs. The NFL in general and the Giants obviously really struggle to identify the HC skill set needed. At least Flores has done it and won some games.
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Mara wants him so we should hope for the opposite.
His offenses and offensive coordinator decisions were a joke.
He will wear on this team within 3 years.
Go for the homerun and get the offensive mastermind in Daboll.
If we aren't winning by year 3 than he's gone anyway. What's the difference?
Well hasnt he “won” the past two years and still managed to alienate his coaching staff and front office ?
Look at Harbaugh in SF- all he did was win and the whole organization hated each other.
Sustained success would be nice for once.
That seems to work with an offensive system that works with a GM / HC working together.
Flores has proven he’s incapable of both so far.
His offenses and offensive coordinator decisions were a joke.
He will wear on this team within 3 years.
Go for the homerun and get the offensive mastermind in Daboll.
that's weird.
also Daboll is not a HR guarantee either.
People are dismissing winning like that shit is easy to do. The last time the Giants had 2 straight winning seasons, the team still had all of the players who won both the 07 and 11 titles. The last time the Dolphins had 2 straight winning seasons, Ei Manning was still in college! And all of this happened with a roster that needed to be rebuilt and still isn’t particularly good. The Giants would be lucky to get Brian Flores.
Flores is my first choice because I want to root for a defense that creates a home field advantage. I agree the offensive issues in Miami are problematic. Without a really good OC it could be a real issue.
We have seen so many coordinators promoted to HC because they're working with elite QBs. The NFL in general and the Giants obviously really struggle to identify the HC skill set needed. At least Flores has done it and won some games.
Aside from technically the owner, does Shoen get the final say over the HC’s OC preference?
But I've stopped worring about Flores regarding his time as a HC in Miami and here's why...
I fully expect both Mara and Schoen to talk to as many people as possible in Miami (owner, GM, current players, ex-players, etc.) to get an accurate assement as to why Flores didn't work out as the Dolphins HC. If the Giants get bad reports regarding Flores, they won't hire him.
The only way Flores gets hired is if the Giants feel that his dismissal was more about bad management (Dolphins front office) as opposed to the job that Flores did.
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Things going poorly working for the owner in Miami is not a disqualified for me. It actually goes in my plus column. But if he's not the guy Schoen wants that would be more of the same.
Flores is my first choice because I want to root for a defense that creates a home field advantage. I agree the offensive issues in Miami are problematic. Without a really good OC it could be a real issue.
We have seen so many coordinators promoted to HC because they're working with elite QBs. The NFL in general and the Giants obviously really struggle to identify the HC skill set needed. At least Flores has done it and won some games.
Aside from technically the owner, does Shoen get the final say over the HC’s OC preference?
Based on his interview this morning, he seemed pretty adamant about having the right Offensive staff and scheme so i would say he has to at the VERY least be agreeable if not his actual preference to the OC choice.
Could be..I’d be surprised if Flores hasn’t made it known about his feelings on Jones
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Mara wants him so we should hope for the opposite.
His offenses and offensive coordinator decisions were a joke.
He will wear on this team within 3 years.
Go for the homerun and get the offensive mastermind in Daboll.
that's weird.
also Daboll is not a HR guarantee either.
Obviously its not a homerun. That doesn’t apply to this cycle or any cycle since homeruns dont hit the market.
Look around the NFL. Look at the Championship games. Offensive coaches with their own system. Offenses win in the NFL.
Buffalo was FULLY Daboll’s system and there are plenty of articles / facts out there to support this. He obviously also evolved from his stints from over a decade ago. Surprisingly to some here - that’s what good coaches do.
Ultimately, I want someone who can develop a QB, because we don’t have our answer yet (considering his play) and we may be looking again, next year.
The reports of Flores not wanting Tua, have me concerned about what that plan looks like going forward. Not a huge Tua fan, personally, but how you go about your business is important
Really want Daboll, but expecting something different
This is how I view him too. A more successful Judge.
Also - if he had issues with Tua as his QB, he honestly might not make it to Week Three with Jones in terms of relationship.
I still think this is Daboll's job to lose.
Flores wouldn't have more power than Schoen and Mara. Come on. Mara and Schoen would have full power over the new head coach.
Also - if he had issues with Tua as his QB, he honestly might not make it to Week Three with Jones in terms of relationship.
I still think this is Daboll's job to lose.
But many coaches do, no
O'Brien, btw, was at Arch Manning's basketball game the other night - yes, basketball! - with Saban. I get the feeling he's got another year with Saban.
One thing I think could be positive - and not to dole out stereotypes - is that Flores strikes very much as an 'alpha' personality while Schoen is more thoughtful/analytical. That could end up being a positive complementary relationship if Flores has a strong idea about the type of team he wants to build and Schoen has the knowledge to deliver it.
Pathetic Mara-Tish chimera are eyeballing Miami sloppy seconds wtf
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a guy that would be in “lockstep” with Schoen? But who the hell knows what really happened in Miami?
One thing I think could be positive - and not to dole out stereotypes - is that Flores strikes very much as an 'alpha' personality while Schoen is more thoughtful/analytical. That could end up being a positive complementary relationship if Flores has a strong idea about the type of team he wants to build and Schoen has the knowledge to deliver it.
Credible frame of thought.
ESPN commentary on Flores - ( New Window )
Small sample size, sure. But he's done some good work. I could care less if he can't get along with his coordinators, that's gossip. All I care about is results.
Daboll would be fine too, although his record without Allen isn't fantastic. He would also be a first time HC. Given the amount of change happening in the org, I don't know if that's a great idea.
Everyone should watch this
As for Player Selection....some of that is sheer Budget. The other part is about the high profil guys you bring in. If the owner is dead set against Watson, then He does get to make that call, specifically.
I am sure he could learn from his mistakes, but how much time will he get to implement change being unemployed for 2 months?
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Ignore the title, lol. It's not just Ryan discussing him, it's Shefter, it's Hasselbeck, it's Bruschi, etc. ESPN commentary on Flores - ( New Window )
Everyone should watch this
AGREED! People need to stop saying he is like Judge.. They are not alike. Flores has won in this league with the deck stacked against him and his teams are better the second half of the year each season.
I am sure he could learn from his mistakes, but how much time will he get to implement change being unemployed for 2 months?
You are making statements with no knowledge of what really happened in Miami.
but
he single handedly cost miami a playoff birth by benching fitzpatrick for tua. the giants did something somewhat similar when they benched kurt warner for eli, so maybe people here won't knock him for that, but that was a very questionable move at the time
he burns through offensive coordinators every year and seems difficult to work with. mara just said how they screwed jones up by having new coaches every other year. if he believes that, why would he even look at flores with his track record. once again this is why you hire offensive head coaches
Ultimately, I want someone who can develop a QB, because we don’t have our answer yet (considering his play) and we may be looking again, next year.
The reports of Flores not wanting Tua, have me concerned about what that plan looks like going forward. Not a huge Tua fan, personally, but how you go about your business is important
Really want Daboll, but expecting something different
I see zero evidence that MIA players didn't play their asses off for him, so I don't know where the locker room issues come from. Year 1, with what was overwhelmingly regarded as the worst roster in the league, they go 5-4 after an 0-7 start, including a win v a Pats team playing for a bye.
Year 2, a slightly improved roster with an inconsistent rookie QB goes 10-6 and barely misses a playoff spot.
Year 3, after a brutal 1-7 start, they win 7 in a row. How does any of that sound like a guy who had an issue in the locker room? It sounds more like a guy who may be a hard-ass, but has the respect of the players.
Look, there was a lot of crap about him flying out of Miami after he was hired. Maybe some was true, maybe some wasn't, but I cannot understand for the life of me why so many are so willing to uncritically accept what the Dolphins decided to leak out, as if they had no reason to lie.
Many of the things are almost certainly BS. It is hardly unusual for a team to burn a coach after he's out the door (Red Sox were infamous for it, my Mets a bit too). We have no idea how he felt about Tua, we only know that he was willing to make a QB change when he felt he needed one.
Did you catch the speculation by the panel that Tua replacing Fitzpatrick as Miami QB last year wasn’t Flores’ decision? Looks like Tua’s ability is a divisive issue in that franchise.
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Being a head coach is more about W-L, you have to be able to work with the front office as well. And if Miami canned him for being successful, you have to think that his inability to work with front office was too fractutured to overcome his success, which says a lot.
I am sure he could learn from his mistakes, but how much time will he get to implement change being unemployed for 2 months?
You are making statements with no knowledge of what really happened in Miami.
That's why I said 'if'. No one will ever know what really happened so we are stuck with reading between the lines.
Ask yourself this: is Miami so incompetent they would fire a winning coach or was Flores relationship with FO too abrasive to overcome winning? Those are the two questions it comes down to
Each side is doing their PR spin on it. I believe that no org would fire a winning coach unless their were behind the scenes issues. So I think there are issues that need to be thoroughly vetted before making a decision on Flores.
When you see reports that the Giants love him before he even steps foot in the building, that gives me pause.