How many is 'more' Eric? 8, 10, 12? Keep interviewing for another month? I get the gist of what you're saying, I really do, but my feeling is if you spread the tentacles out too far looking for the dead, solid, perfect HC, you're going to lose the guy who can come in and do a really good job. It's going to be a waste of time and resources that will set the timeline for the process back by weeks, if not months. All the candidates on the list for GM had the same HC candidates on their lists, unless I'm mistaken. Knowing how impatient BBI is, there'd be tons of threads wondering what the fuck's taking so long. Personally, I'm ready to get the ball rolling, and if the current candidates meet with management approval, then let's get going.
But I want the head coach to be head coach and run the entire team. Either guy could hire a good OC or good DC. I think Flores should be the choice head and shoulders.
Think back to Graham, he let Graham go pretty easily. I think Graham was an OK coach but the bend dont break D kills me. When Graham was in Miami the D was dead last. When Graham was in Miami they finished 5-11, the 2 years since 10-6 and 9-8.
I like the track record of Flores. i dont care if he ruffles feathers to get what he wants. He turned Miami around despite them trading away a ton of talent. I think he can do the same here. I know nothing about Daboll except that his O is only good when he has great players, other than that they rank pretty low.
He’s proven he can be the coach to shepherd a torn down roster to respectability. For all of the worrying about his offenses, can anyone really say that Tua, Waddle, or Gesicki underachieved last season? I thought they got the most possible out of their best players considering the limitations of the QB and OL.
Daboll positives:
1) Offensive side of the ball aligns with NFL slant to promote offense / scoring
2) Likely on the same page with Schoen
3) Demonstrated success record with Josh Allen
Daboll negatives:
1) No prior NFL (or anywhere?) HC experience
2) Don't know if success in Buffalo mostly / solely due to Allen's skill set
Flores positives:
1) Prior NFL head coaching experience
2) Strong finish to end of 2021 season
Flores negatives:
1) Fired by Miami in spite of strong finish; why?
2) Rumors of poor communication skills, inflexibility
3) Defensive side coach not "in vogue" in NFL
4) From the less than stellar Belichick coaching tree
5) Might keep Patrick Graham as DC
6) Rumors John Mara's favorite candidate (George Costanza factor)
7) Might not be on same page as Schoen
If Mara really believes that they haven't done right by Daniel Jones you don't bring in a Defense HC that can't help him. You bring in an Offense HC that has helped young QBs before.
That's why I finished with "my two cents"; it's my opinion. I did try to support my opinion (to myself as much as anyone else, with a list).
From what I've read / heard, there are more negatives associated with Flores than positives. Even adding Eric's comment about Daboll being on the Belichick "failed coaching tree" as well, more factors come up in Daboll's favor for me than Flore's favor.
Of course you could put weighting factors on the list and if prior HC experience counts as, say 75%, then you pick Flores.
That's why I finished with "my two cents"; it's my opinion. I did try to support my opinion (to myself as much as anyone else, with a list).
From what I've read / heard, there are more negatives associated with Flores than positives. Even adding Eric's comment about Daboll being on the Belichick "failed coaching tree" as well, more factors come up in Daboll's favor for me than Flore's favor.
Of course you could put weighting factors on the list and if prior HC experience counts as, say 75%, then you pick Flores.
Daboll has been an OC for 8 years on 4 different teams. The past 2 seasons are the only ones in which his offenses finished better than 20th(!!!) in yards or scoring. That’s a massive negative that needed to be included on your list.
I give Daboll all the credit in the world for the development of Josh Allen. But will the Giants need one of the top 10 greatest physical talents to ever play the QB position before we see Daboll’s offensive capabilities?
How about that to miller a thread?
How many is 'more' Eric? 8, 10, 12? Keep interviewing for another month? I get the gist of what you're saying, I really do, but my feeling is if you spread the tentacles out too far looking for the dead, solid, perfect HC, you're going to lose the guy who can come in and do a really good job. It's going to be a waste of time and resources that will set the timeline for the process back by weeks, if not months. All the candidates on the list for GM had the same HC candidates on their lists, unless I'm mistaken. Knowing how impatient BBI is, there'd be tons of threads wondering what the fuck's taking so long. Personally, I'm ready to get the ball rolling, and if the current candidates meet with management approval, then let's get going.
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they were interviewing more candidates.
How about that to miller a thread?
I kind of wish they didn't need to interview HC candidates every two years.
Absofuckinglutely.
Think back to Graham, he let Graham go pretty easily. I think Graham was an OK coach but the bend dont break D kills me. When Graham was in Miami the D was dead last. When Graham was in Miami they finished 5-11, the 2 years since 10-6 and 9-8.
I like the track record of Flores. i dont care if he ruffles feathers to get what he wants. He turned Miami around despite them trading away a ton of talent. I think he can do the same here. I know nothing about Daboll except that his O is only good when he has great players, other than that they rank pretty low.
No worries. People still can't spell Golladay. LOL.
1) Offensive side of the ball aligns with NFL slant to promote offense / scoring
2) Likely on the same page with Schoen
3) Demonstrated success record with Josh Allen
Daboll negatives:
1) No prior NFL (or anywhere?) HC experience
2) Don't know if success in Buffalo mostly / solely due to Allen's skill set
Flores positives:
1) Prior NFL head coaching experience
2) Strong finish to end of 2021 season
Flores negatives:
1) Fired by Miami in spite of strong finish; why?
2) Rumors of poor communication skills, inflexibility
3) Defensive side coach not "in vogue" in NFL
4) From the less than stellar Belichick coaching tree
5) Might keep Patrick Graham as DC
6) Rumors John Mara's favorite candidate (George Costanza factor)
7) Might not be on same page as Schoen
My two cents.
Rather one sided list.
I like the W-L trajectory but am having trouble getting over that.
He’s also been linked to Bill O’Brien
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To be his offensive coordinator is a major red flag.
He’s also been linked to Bill O’Brien
That doesn’t matter..😂😂
How about that to miller a thread?
Me too.
That said, of the Brians I want Flores no question. But I also won't be sad if it's Daboll.
But if Schoen sees a better overall football mind, leadership skills and presence in Flores that probably trumps the above.
I am just looking forward to a new day, and a better product on the field and the sidelines.
Came here to say this
From what I've read / heard, there are more negatives associated with Flores than positives. Even adding Eric's comment about Daboll being on the Belichick "failed coaching tree" as well, more factors come up in Daboll's favor for me than Flore's favor.
Of course you could put weighting factors on the list and if prior HC experience counts as, say 75%, then you pick Flores.
From what I've read / heard, there are more negatives associated with Flores than positives. Even adding Eric's comment about Daboll being on the Belichick "failed coaching tree" as well, more factors come up in Daboll's favor for me than Flore's favor.
Of course you could put weighting factors on the list and if prior HC experience counts as, say 75%, then you pick Flores.
Daboll has been an OC for 8 years on 4 different teams. The past 2 seasons are the only ones in which his offenses finished better than 20th(!!!) in yards or scoring. That’s a massive negative that needed to be included on your list.
I give Daboll all the credit in the world for the development of Josh Allen. But will the Giants need one of the top 10 greatest physical talents to ever play the QB position before we see Daboll’s offensive capabilities?