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Daboll or Flores?

Anakim : 1/27/2022 1:34 pm
Which Brian do you want? The line has been drawn in the sand. Which side are you on?
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Flores had too many staff communication issues  
GFAN52 : 1/27/2022 2:52 pm : link
How else can you explain going through so many OC’s.
RE: I kind of wish  
Photoguy : 1/27/2022 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15578413 Eric from BBI said:
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they were interviewing more candidates.

How about that to miller a thread?


How many is 'more' Eric? 8, 10, 12? Keep interviewing for another month? I get the gist of what you're saying, I really do, but my feeling is if you spread the tentacles out too far looking for the dead, solid, perfect HC, you're going to lose the guy who can come in and do a really good job. It's going to be a waste of time and resources that will set the timeline for the process back by weeks, if not months. All the candidates on the list for GM had the same HC candidates on their lists, unless I'm mistaken. Knowing how impatient BBI is, there'd be tons of threads wondering what the fuck's taking so long. Personally, I'm ready to get the ball rolling, and if the current candidates meet with management approval, then let's get going.
RE: RE: I kind of wish  
Photoguy : 1/27/2022 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15578433 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15578413 Eric from BBI said:


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they were interviewing more candidates.

How about that to miller a thread?


I kind of wish they didn't need to interview HC candidates every two years.


Absofuckinglutely.
Daboll has an Offensive mind  
Rudy5757 : 1/27/2022 3:01 pm : link
But I want the head coach to be head coach and run the entire team. Either guy could hire a good OC or good DC. I think Flores should be the choice head and shoulders.

Think back to Graham, he let Graham go pretty easily. I think Graham was an OK coach but the bend dont break D kills me. When Graham was in Miami the D was dead last. When Graham was in Miami they finished 5-11, the 2 years since 10-6 and 9-8.

I like the track record of Flores. i dont care if he ruffles feathers to get what he wants. He turned Miami around despite them trading away a ton of talent. I think he can do the same here. I know nothing about Daboll except that his O is only good when he has great players, other than that they rank pretty low.
RE: How about Eric Bienemy  
Photoguy : 1/27/2022 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15578475 Chip said:
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Probably spelled his name wrong


No worries. People still can't spell Golladay. LOL.
Flores has PROVEN he can do this job.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/27/2022 3:04 pm : link
He’s proven he can be the coach to shepherd a torn down roster to respectability. For all of the worrying about his offenses, can anyone really say that Tua, Waddle, or Gesicki underachieved last season? I thought they got the most possible out of their best players considering the limitations of the QB and OL.
Daboll  
TheMick7 : 1/27/2022 3:05 pm : link
Too many questions about Flores alienating his coaches,his QB. That's not going to change on a different team!
RE: Based On My Limited Knowledge / Understanding  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/27/2022 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15578556 Trainmaster said:
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Daboll positives:
1) Offensive side of the ball aligns with NFL slant to promote offense / scoring
2) Likely on the same page with Schoen
3) Demonstrated success record with Josh Allen

Daboll negatives:
1) No prior NFL (or anywhere?) HC experience
2) Don't know if success in Buffalo mostly / solely due to Allen's skill set


Flores positives:
1) Prior NFL head coaching experience
2) Strong finish to end of 2021 season

Flores negatives:
1) Fired by Miami in spite of strong finish; why?
2) Rumors of poor communication skills, inflexibility
3) Defensive side coach not "in vogue" in NFL
4) From the less than stellar Belichick coaching tree
5) Might keep Patrick Graham as DC
6) Rumors John Mara's favorite candidate (George Costanza factor)
7) Might not be on same page as Schoen

My two cents.


Rather one sided list.
Whomever Schoen wants  
Go Terps : 1/27/2022 3:10 pm : link
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honest question  
DonQuixote : 1/27/2022 4:39 pm : link
Doesn't it give anyone pause that the Dolphins went through 3 OCs in four years? Patrick Graham made a lateral move to come here.

I like the W-L trajectory but am having trouble getting over that.
Here is what I will say...  
Amtoft : 1/27/2022 4:51 pm : link
If Mara really believes that they haven't done right by Daniel Jones you don't bring in a Defense HC that can't help him. You bring in an Offense HC that has helped young QBs before.
RE: Flores Being Linked To Bevell  
Anakim : 1/27/2022 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15578608 Costy16 said:
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To be his offensive coordinator is a major red flag.


He’s also been linked to Bill O’Brien
RE: RE: Flores Being Linked To Bevell  
Big Blue '56 : 1/27/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15578933 Anakim said:
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In comment 15578608 Costy16 said:


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To be his offensive coordinator is a major red flag.



He’s also been linked to Bill O’Brien


That doesn’t matter..😂😂
I’m concerned  
5BowlsSoon : 1/27/2022 5:20 pm : link
That Mara will try to strong arm Schoen on this.
Daboll  
KerrysFlask : 1/27/2022 5:35 pm : link
As one last ditch effort to save DJ.

Vrabel is to my recollection  
bhill410 : 1/27/2022 6:12 pm : link
The only successful defensive hire as hc in last decade has been vrabel I believe. That’s concerning.
RE: I kind of wish  
Johnny5 : 1/27/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15578413 Eric from BBI said:
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they were interviewing more candidates.

How about that to miller a thread?

Me too.

That said, of the Brians I want Flores no question. But I also won't be sad if it's Daboll.
Would seemingly place more importance of getting the Offense  
chick310 : 1/27/2022 6:25 pm : link
out of the dark ages so Daboll should get the nod there.

But if Schoen sees a better overall football mind, leadership skills and presence in Flores that probably trumps the above.

I am just looking forward to a new day, and a better product on the field and the sidelines.
RE: Whomever Schoen wants  
BigBlue7 : 1/27/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15578717 Go Terps said:
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Came here to say this
RE: Rather one sided list.  
Trainmaster : 1/27/2022 6:44 pm : link
That's why I finished with "my two cents"; it's my opinion. I did try to support my opinion (to myself as much as anyone else, with a list).

From what I've read / heard, there are more negatives associated with Flores than positives. Even adding Eric's comment about Daboll being on the Belichick "failed coaching tree" as well, more factors come up in Daboll's favor for me than Flore's favor.

Of course you could put weighting factors on the list and if prior HC experience counts as, say 75%, then you pick Flores.



RE: RE: Rather one sided list.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/28/2022 4:07 am : link
In comment 15579044 Trainmaster said:
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That's why I finished with "my two cents"; it's my opinion. I did try to support my opinion (to myself as much as anyone else, with a list).

From what I've read / heard, there are more negatives associated with Flores than positives. Even adding Eric's comment about Daboll being on the Belichick "failed coaching tree" as well, more factors come up in Daboll's favor for me than Flore's favor.

Of course you could put weighting factors on the list and if prior HC experience counts as, say 75%, then you pick Flores.




Daboll has been an OC for 8 years on 4 different teams. The past 2 seasons are the only ones in which his offenses finished better than 20th(!!!) in yards or scoring. That’s a massive negative that needed to be included on your list.

I give Daboll all the credit in the world for the development of Josh Allen. But will the Giants need one of the top 10 greatest physical talents to ever play the QB position before we see Daboll’s offensive capabilities?
Yesterday I was all in on Flores  
jeff57 : 1/28/2022 10:59 am : link
Today I’m on the Daboll bandwagon. Can’t make up my mind
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