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An offensive head coach gives you a competitive advantage

Josh in the City : 1/27/2022 2:05 pm
The rules of today's game significantly favor offensive football and it's more important than ever to have stability on that side of the ball. That means fewer changes, more consistency, and fewer distractions. By having a head guy who is bringing HIS scheme and plan to the offense it ensures that the most important component of of your team will maintain that needed consistency. Look at the 2 most successful QB's from the 2018 & 2019 draft (Kyler and Allen) and tell me what they have in common. They've been in the same offensive system as the day they were drafted. It may seem like an oversimplification but the simple fact is that having an offensive minded head coach gives your team a clear competitive advantage simply by providing stability to the most important component of winning football games.

In addition to that, b/c of the importance of offense, the majority of teams are hiring the hotshot OC's rather than their defensive counterparts. But if your scheme comes from the top, your team's next OC simply becomes the next man up with the guy who's been in your system for the past few years (QB coach, passing game coordinator, or someone other coach on the staff). Again...consistency.

Look at the final 8 teams in this year's playoffs:

Bengals - Zac Taylor - offense
Titans - Mike Vrabel - defense
Bills - Sean McDermott - defense
Chiefs - Andy Reid - offense
49ers - Kyle Shanahan - offense
Packers - Matt LaFleur - offense
Rams - Sean McVay - offense
Bucs - Bruce Arians - offense

Do we think it's simply a coincident that 75% of those teams have offensive minded head coaches who are running their own scheme? It's not.

Simply put, the NFL is all about identifying competitive advantages. Being that there is no question that hiring an offensive minded head coach gives you one, if it's at all close b/w two candidates, the decision should be an easy one. And yes, I believe Brian Daboll should be that guy.

So if everybody has an offensive HC  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/27/2022 2:09 pm : link

How is that giving us a competitive advantage?
B/c everyone  
Josh in the City : 1/27/2022 2:10 pm : link
doesn't have an offensive minded head coach. Didn't think I needed to point that out.
I think the more simple explanation on the  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 1/27/2022 2:11 pm : link
final 8 coaches remaining are:

Bengals - Joe Burrow
Titans - Ryan Tannehill
Bills - Josh Allen
Chiefs - Pat Mahomes
49ers - Jimmy Garoppolo
Packers - Aaron Rodgers
Rams - Matt Stafford
Bucs - Tom Brady

6 of the 8 teams are/were led by 6 of the best QB's currently in the NFL. When it comes down to it, great to elite QB play is the competitive advantage.
I think you're nuts if you don't think  
Chris684 : 1/27/2022 2:13 pm : link
it has more to do with the QBs.

Do you really think LaFluer is such a genius? Zac Taylor?

It's about the QBs. Period.
RE: I think the more simple explanation on the  
Josh in the City : 1/27/2022 2:14 pm : link
In comment 15578534 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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final 8 coaches remaining are:

Bengals - Joe Burrow
Titans - Ryan Tannehill
Bills - Josh Allen
Chiefs - Pat Mahomes
49ers - Jimmy Garoppolo
Packers - Aaron Rodgers
Rams - Matt Stafford
Bucs - Tom Brady

6 of the 8 teams are/were led by 6 of the best QB's currently in the NFL. When it comes down to it, great to elite QB play is the competitive advantage.


Agreed...but per my original post, consistency in the offensive scheme also helps those QB's play at an elite level. Talent is obviously a pre-requisite as well but look what happened to Aaron Rodgers in his first season under a new offensive scheme with Matt Lafleur. It's no coincidence that he had a down year (by his standards anyway).
And more than that, in this team's case;  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/27/2022 2:16 pm : link
with our starting QB, what did we average? 15 ppg? In today's NFL, that is called being stuck in the Stone Age. Give me an offensive guy. There is no good/great OC that Flores (or any defensive-minded HC) can bring in this year that will fix this beyond broken, stuck in the Stone Age offense.
But Pat Shurmur  
FranknWeezer : 1/27/2022 2:24 pm : link
tho?
RE: But Pat Shurmur  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/27/2022 2:25 pm : link
In comment 15578569 FranknWeezer said:
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tho?


Jones had his beat season to date with Shurmur as HC.
*beat=best season  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/27/2022 2:26 pm : link
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RE: RE: But Pat Shurmur  
Chris684 : 1/27/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15578572 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 15578569 FranknWeezer said:


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tho?



Jones had his beat season to date with Shurmur as HC.


Yea but what good did that do?

His DC was clueless and the rest of his staff was underwhelming. Maybe this guy Anarumo was capable but we never really heard about him when he was here.

To me, if anything, Pat Shurmur as HC reinforces the belief that it's not just about the "genius" offensive mind.

You need the QB first and then you need a guy capable of overseeing all 3 phases.
I agree with the premise of the OP  
Producer : 1/27/2022 2:31 pm : link
but the Giants often choose to buck offensive trends and emphasize defense and ball control first. Increasingly, if you choose that path you're playing into headwinds.
RE: I think the more simple explanation on the  
Biteymax22 : 1/27/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15578534 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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final 8 coaches remaining are:

Bengals - Joe Burrow
Titans - Ryan Tannehill
Bills - Josh Allen
Chiefs - Pat Mahomes
49ers - Jimmy Garoppolo
Packers - Aaron Rodgers
Rams - Matt Stafford
Bucs - Tom Brady

6 of the 8 teams are/were led by 6 of the best QB's currently in the NFL. When it comes down to it, great to elite QB play is the competitive advantage.


All have great QBs (except SF) and the 4 left also have premium WRs in Chase, Deebo, Kupp and Hill.
Just under 75% of all HC's this year  
Section331 : 1/27/2022 2:43 pm : link
were offensive coaches, so why would it be surprising that 75% of the final 8 are offensive? Bring in a quality OC and let him oversee every facet of the offense.
Of the last 10 SB winners, 4 were coached  
Section331 : 1/27/2022 2:54 pm : link
by offensive coaches. Some competitive advantage.
RE: Just under 75% of all HC's this year  
Josh in the City : 1/27/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15578611 Section331 said:
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were offensive coaches, so why would it be surprising that 75% of the final 8 are offensive? Bring in a quality OC and let him oversee every facet of the offense.

And then when that offense is successful you bring in a new OC with a new scheme. Doesn't work.
Funny. I think the best offensives  
kelly : 1/27/2022 3:05 pm : link
Have the best talent.

Can't make chicken soup out of chicken shit


Proof - the past 10 years of Giant football
another way to look at this - last 10 SB winning coaches (non-BB)  
Eric on Li : 1/27/2022 3:21 pm : link
Arians
Reid
Pederson
Kubiak
Carroll (dc)
Harbaugh (st)
Coughlin (was only briefly a coordinator at Syracuse pre-BC and pre-NFL)
McCarthy
Payton
Tomlin (dc)

So yes, offensive head coaches do tend to fill more of the list but not to the point of closing your mind of alternatives or else you'd have not hired some of the best coaching hires in the last couple decades (Carroll and Tomlin especially).

Belichek and Parcells were obviously defensive coaches too which can't be ignored since they are 2 of the best coaches in the modern SB era.

I don't think anyone would be disappointed to hire the next Tomlin or Carroll, and since Flores is the candidate with the defensive background threads like these are intended to sideswipe it's meaningful to note he actually has some similarities to both Tomlin and Carroll. Pete Carroll's NFL record pre-NE was very similar to Flores'. His first 3 years were actually 6 wins, 10 wins, 9 wins, which is almost identical to Flores.

Is he as good of a leader as Pete Carroll? Can he similarly build strong staffs around himself?
Does he have the toughness and competence of Tomlin? Or is he really just difficult?

Those are the questions schoen has to answer and he's wouldn't be doing himself any favors by just x'ing out candidates because they didn't come up on the offensive side of the game.
Lumping all of the offensive coaches together is a problem.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/27/2022 3:24 pm : link
Andy Reid was a GREAT offensive coach long before anyone ever heard of Pat Mahomes.

Kyle Shanahan had wonderful success in TWO different OC jobs before he got the SF position.

Sean McVay is an anomaly. You could hire 1,000 guys before you find someone with his immediate success as a head coach.

Zac Taylor? That offense was horrendous before Joe Burrow came along.

Matt LaFleur? He’s coaching the best or second best regular season QB in the sport’s history. Forgive me if I don’t go crazy over his coaching acumen.

Bruce Arians is a proven offensive mind, but he also is dealing with perhaps the most talented offensive roster in the sport.

Brian Daboll is in his fourth different OC job. Before he got his hands on one of the greatest physical talents to ever play QB, Daboll’s offenses have consistently STUNK.

Just find the right guy  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/27/2022 3:27 pm : link
offensive guy, defensive guy, you need the right leader, not offensive play caller. Most offensive schemes can succeed with the right personnel. Get the guy who can steer the whole ship.
i think too many of you mistake the head coach  
Rory : 1/27/2022 4:22 pm : link
taking a X's & O's guy. He's not, that's for the OC/DC.

HC's are basically managers of the game and their coordinators. Also need to be a voice of the team and to keep team chemistry and focus intact.

We all should really be paying more attention to the OC hire then the HC.
RE: Lumping all of the offensive coaches together is a problem.  
allstarjim : 1/27/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15578757 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Andy Reid was a GREAT offensive coach long before anyone ever heard of Pat Mahomes.

Kyle Shanahan had wonderful success in TWO different OC jobs before he got the SF position.

Sean McVay is an anomaly. You could hire 1,000 guys before you find someone with his immediate success as a head coach.

Zac Taylor? That offense was horrendous before Joe Burrow came along.

Matt LaFleur? He’s coaching the best or second best regular season QB in the sport’s history. Forgive me if I don’t go crazy over his coaching acumen.

Bruce Arians is a proven offensive mind, but he also is dealing with perhaps the most talented offensive roster in the sport.

Brian Daboll is in his fourth different OC job. Before he got his hands on one of the greatest physical talents to ever play QB, Daboll’s offenses have consistently STUNK.


One could easily make the case his offense over achieved in previous spots some years with the personnel he was given.

Daboll's starting QBs: Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Colt McCoy, Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace (2009-2010 all with Cleveland), Matt Moore, Chad Henne (2011 with Miami), Matt Cassell, Brady Quinn (2012 Chiefs).

The players always dictate gow successful you are in football as a coach. Because they play the game.
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ryanmkeane : 1/27/2022 4:33 pm : link
Maybe, but defense is the reason 49ers are in the championship game. Defense is a big part of the reason Bengals are there too.
RE: ….  
Producer : 1/27/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15578884 ryanmkeane said:
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Maybe, but defense is the reason 49ers are in the championship game. Defense is a big part of the reason Bengals are there too.


The Bengals are there because of Burrow.

They've had decent defenses before and done nothing.
Colin Cowherd  
Mayo2JZ : 1/27/2022 4:46 pm : link
did a segment on that a few weeks back. He showed that offensive coaches have been very successful. I will try and find it on YouTube
This is true but it did not emphasize the important point  
Jerry in_DC : 1/27/2022 5:41 pm : link
Good OCs get hired to be HCs. The a team with a defensive coach either has to find someone else to run the scheme or use a new scheme.

If the HC oversees the O then you'll have consistent leadership and scheme on O. Which is important
I don't buy into that  
Beer Man : 1/27/2022 5:50 pm : link
IMHO, as long as you have good OC, DC, and supporting staffs the HC can be either. Baby Bill (the GOAT) is clearly defensive minded.
Sometimes a Strong Offensive Head Coach  
OntheRoad : 1/27/2022 11:36 pm : link

can interfere with or scare away a good offensive coordinator who wants to run his own show.

Joe Judge could have been an ideal head coach for a good OC who didn't need any hand-holding. But he was not able to fix Jason Garrett's offense.

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