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Jim Trotter-Roethlisberger is only Hall of Fame QB from 2004

Vin_Cuccs : 1/27/2022 2:47 pm
What say you?

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I say  
Section331 : 1/27/2022 2:49 pm : link
who the hell is Jim Trotter?
who cares what the district attorney of Beechum County, Alabama thinks  
Greg from LI : 1/27/2022 2:49 pm : link
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/27/2022 2:49 pm : link
Eli should get in. Can see Rivers too. Rivers was the superior regular season QB to Eli but Eli was the best QB across two separate post-seasons.
Well,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/27/2022 2:49 pm : link
he is the only rapist
well  
djm : 1/27/2022 2:50 pm : link
when Eli is in the HOF this guy can stand on that hill and die there for all I care.

Eli will get in one day. None of this shit matters.
RE: Well,  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/27/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15578634 Big Blue '56 said:
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he is the only rapist


SLAYYYYYYYY.
This always happens when a guy retires  
Mike from Ohio : 1/27/2022 2:51 pm : link
he is elevated beyond what he was for a short period of time.

Ben and Eli will get in. Rivers is the only question mark because of the lack of post season success.
I love this stuff...  
Dnew15 : 1/27/2022 2:51 pm : link
it's the ultimate lazy Saturday at the bar talk.

Trotter is an idiot.

Rivers/Roth/Eli are all definite HOFers.
RE: who cares what the district attorney of Beechum County, Alabama thinks  
Jints in Carolina : 1/27/2022 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15578631 Greg from LI said:
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I wonder if the alleged rapes happened at the Sac O' Suds?
Not true.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/27/2022 2:53 pm : link
Eli, Ben, and Rivers will all get in. Only QB drafted in 2004 that won't get in is Matt Schaub.
RE: who cares what the district attorney of Beechum County, Alabama thinks  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15578631 Greg from LI said:
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'EYE...DENTICAL!'
Click me!  
Racer : 1/27/2022 2:53 pm : link
Mash the button!
RE: Not true.  
Angel Eyes : 1/27/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15578649 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Eli, Ben, and Rivers will all get in. Only QB drafted in 2004 that won't get in is Matt Schaub.

JP Losman.
Even Ben thinks that's dumb. And he went through a windshield once.  
j_rud : 1/27/2022 2:55 pm : link
Well yeah...  
EricJ : 1/27/2022 2:55 pm : link
the HOF needs more guys who can score before the opening kickoff
Eli  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/27/2022 2:55 pm : link
was a shoe-in in 2012.

Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.
Agreed  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/27/2022 2:57 pm : link
if we're talking about the Rapist Hall of Fame.
RE: Eli  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/27/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15578660 Eric from BBI said:
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was a shoe-in in 2012.

Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.


I know it meant no Chase Young, but I was rooting hard for Eli to win that one so we didn't have to hear debates about a "below .500 QB" being voted in the HOF. ".500 QB" doesn't sound great either but it sounds way better.
Oh  
BeckShepEli : 1/27/2022 3:00 pm : link
Jim chose violence today
All 3 are getting in  
GNewGiants : 1/27/2022 3:03 pm : link
Easily.

I can argue Ben is the worst of the 3. Did any QB outside of Aikman, play with a more complete team in his career then Ben?
Show the stats  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/27/2022 3:14 pm : link
Then show what matters. The two time SB MVP playoff runs against the greatest HC/QB duo of all time. Anything else? Vote. 1st ballot.

Ok, we are now moving on to.....
RE: Eli  
BillKo : 1/27/2022 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15578660 Eric from BBI said:
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was a shoe-in in 2012.

Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.


Still pretty much a shoe-in.

Not first ballot, but he certainly deserves it for what he accomplished.
RE: RE: who cares what the district attorney of Beechum County, Alabama thinks  
Jints in Carolina : 1/27/2022 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15578650 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15578631 Greg from LI said:


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'EYE...DENTICAL!'


LMAO!
For $1,000 Aaron  
trueblueinpw : 1/27/2022 3:19 pm : link
What is, clickbait?
1 of 5 multiple SB MVP winners  
j_rud : 1/27/2022 3:21 pm : link
on top of stats that measure up. That is more than enough to overcome a lackluster W-L record.
...  
ilikethenygiants : 1/27/2022 3:22 pm : link
I think Eli and Ben will b/c of the SBs, but honestly, I don't think any of them should get in. Throughout their careers, none of them were ever really top 3-4 QBs. Peyton, Brady, Brees were always ahead of them - and that's just off the top of my head. If you can't consistently crack the top 3-4 for a good enough time period, I don't think you should be in. Ben is the closest.

I also think HOFs are too big/broad.
If we got the calls  
LoveFootball : 1/27/2022 3:40 pm : link
the pure trash Stullers have gotten over the last 2 decades, Eli would have another Super Bowl or 2.

Somewhere Willie Ramon Colon is holding someone.
Eli says  
MattinKY : 1/27/2022 3:41 pm : link
I'm not the Eli homer a lot of BBIers are...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 1/27/2022 3:41 pm : link
...but I think two SB wins, longevity and the streak make it hard to keep him out.

RE: RE: who cares what the district attorney of Beechum County, Alabama thinks  
BMac : 1/27/2022 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15578644 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 15578631 Greg from LI said:


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I wonder if the alleged rapes happened at the Sac O' Suds?


Wherever it happened, it was a HYANUS crime.
Aside from the 2 Super Bowl Championships  
TheBlueprintNC : 1/27/2022 4:10 pm : link
and 2 Super Bowl MVPS. Eli has 2 of the most signature moments of the NFL on the biggest stage. He is a lock for the HoF. I will be there to celebrate his induction. The nonsense of his won lost record in regular season is bunk -how many teams wanted to face him in the playoffs? Who would you rather have at QB with the game on the line? Reeech screwed his career not being able to build a fucking line. Reporters are stupid fans
Imagine Eli on the Steeler post 2011  
widmerseyebrow : 1/27/2022 4:13 pm : link
His career would be viewed much differently.
All 3 are HOF QBs......  
No Where Man : 1/27/2022 4:17 pm : link
But Eli won the biggest games of the 3, there is no doubt about that.
 
christian : 1/27/2022 4:29 pm : link
LOL zero chance Manning Inc. and the NFL don’t get Eli in.

They’re the biggest brand name in football.
SBs  
GF1080 : 1/27/2022 4:31 pm : link
Then you see that Rodgers and Brees end up with only 1.
What Christian said  
gtt350 : 1/27/2022 4:53 pm : link
.
Every time this comes up there is just one stat that  
USAF NYG Fan : 1/27/2022 4:54 pm : link
that pretty much shuts it down.

5 players in the NFL's SB history have received multiple SB MVPs. 3 of them are in the HoF; Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, & Joe Montana. The other two are Tom Brady and Eli Manning.

Just for kicks we'll add ...

Regarding SB MVP arguments when I'm told, "yea but the QB usually wins the SB MVP" or "the defense won xx SB" or "player xxxxxx should have got the MVP but they always give it to the QB", etc. Oh really. Ask Ben about that.

Ben Roethlisberger received 0 SB MVPs in three attempts. His 1st SB victory was one of the worst QB performances ever in the SB.
RE: Eli  
joeinpa : 1/27/2022 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15578660 Eric from BBI said:
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was a shoe-in in 2012.

Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.


Yep.

But, He ll get in, it just won’t be the slam dunk some think. It might not be 1st ballot
RE: Eli  
k2tampa : 1/27/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15578660 Eric from BBI said:
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was a shoe-in in 2012.

Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.


His dad was never on a winning team. He was 35-101.
RE: Imagine Eli on the Steeler post 2011  
k2tampa : 1/27/2022 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15578850 widmerseyebrow said:
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His career would be viewed much differently.


Same argument can be made for Simms and the 49ers teams Montana had.
RE: All 3 are getting in  
nochance : 1/27/2022 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15578692 GNewGiants said:
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Easily.

I can argue Ben is the worst of the 3. Did any QB outside of Aikman, play with a more complete team in his career then Ben?



Rivers teams were the SB favorites several times before the season. He was a choke artist and never won shit
RE: RE: All 3 are getting in  
GNewGiants : 1/27/2022 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15579011 nochance said:
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In comment 15578692 GNewGiants said:


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Easily.

I can argue Ben is the worst of the 3. Did any QB outside of Aikman, play with a more complete team in his career then Ben?




Rivers teams were the SB favorites several times before the season. He was a choke artist and never won shit


Rivers played on some good team but I doubt they were SB favorites when Pitt, Indy, and NE were all loaded during those times.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 6:50 pm : link
Didn't Rivers play on a torn ACL in that '07 AFC Championship game vs. NE?

All should get into Canton.
GNewGiants.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/27/2022 6:52 pm : link
I think the Bolts were favorites in '06. I believe they had the #1 seed & lost to the Pats in the AFC Divisional game where Troy Brown stripped a Charger of the ball after a Brady pick. And then LDT was pissed afterwards because the Pats were mimicking Merriman's dance or something.
.  
Go Terps : 1/27/2022 7:01 pm : link
If the Hall of Fame were actually about only the very best players, none of them would get in. There is a class of QBs that is clearly above this group - Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Peyton, etc...

In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.
Joe Namath is in the Hall of Fame  
BlackLight : 1/27/2022 7:04 pm : link
If you showed his career statistics to someone who didn't know what they were, he'd think he was being punked.

Namath has a bust in Canton because of one game - Super Bowl III - and not even because he was the starting QB for the team that won the game - but because history remembers (falsely) that Namath guaranteed the Jets would win the game.

In other words, Namath made it to Canton - not because of a career of high accomplishment, and not even because he played one great game on the game's biggest stage. He got in because we told ourselves a story about what he accomplished in that one game.

And all that's fine. But Eli Manning's argument for HOF induction is miles stronger than Namath's. He had, admittedly, a strangely shaped career. Not too many HOFs have a .500 winning percentage (though Namath's was about .480). But he's top-10 in several passing categories, has the Iron Man streak, and beat the best QB (and probably the best team) of all time in the Super Bowl. And then he did it again.
50% record  
Giant John : 1/27/2022 7:21 pm : link
Blame DG for that. I will be at Eli’s induction.
RE: .  
NINEster : 1/28/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15579070 Go Terps said:
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If the Hall of Fame were actually about only the very best players, none of them would get in. There is a class of QBs that is clearly above this group - Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Peyton, etc...

In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.


This is a fair point you make.

At the same time, you're very likely inducting very few to nobody a year with such standard.

From the Hall of Fame's perspective that might be too much.
RE: GNewGiants.  
NINEster : 1/28/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15579056 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think the Bolts were favorites in '06. I believe they had the #1 seed & lost to the Pats in the AFC Divisional game where Troy Brown stripped a Charger of the ball after a Brady pick. And then LDT was pissed afterwards because the Pats were mimicking Merriman's dance or something.


Yeah I remember that pick/fumble in real time, and thought to myself if he just held onto the pick that was very very likely the ball game.

This was in an era where a 10 point lead or whatever with 6 minutes to go was enough. Hence why it felt tragic the way they gave it up like that.

2006, Bears in the Super Bowl with Grossman. Only Colts stood in the way, and Chargers typically did well against them.

Very likely a lost ring for San Diego right there.
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Go Terps : 1/28/2022 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15580006 NINEster said:
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In comment 15579070 Go Terps said:


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If the Hall of Fame were actually about only the very best players, none of them would get in. There is a class of QBs that is clearly above this group - Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Peyton, etc...

In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.



This is a fair point you make.

At the same time, you're very likely inducting very few to nobody a year with such standard.

From the Hall of Fame's perspective that might be too much.


My preference would be that the HOF only be for the very best players. If that means not inducting someone for five years, so be it.
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