Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.
I know it meant no Chase Young, but I was rooting hard for Eli to win that one so we didn't have to hear debates about a "below .500 QB" being voted in the HOF. ".500 QB" doesn't sound great either but it sounds way better.
I think Eli and Ben will b/c of the SBs, but honestly, I don't think any of them should get in. Throughout their careers, none of them were ever really top 3-4 QBs. Peyton, Brady, Brees were always ahead of them - and that's just off the top of my head. If you can't consistently crack the top 3-4 for a good enough time period, I don't think you should be in. Ben is the closest.
and 2 Super Bowl MVPS. Eli has 2 of the most signature moments of the NFL on the biggest stage. He is a lock for the HoF. I will be there to celebrate his induction. The nonsense of his won lost record in regular season is bunk -how many teams wanted to face him in the playoffs? Who would you rather have at QB with the game on the line? Reeech screwed his career not being able to build a fucking line. Reporters are stupid fans
5 players in the NFL's SB history have received multiple SB MVPs. 3 of them are in the HoF; Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, & Joe Montana. The other two are Tom Brady and Eli Manning.
Just for kicks we'll add ...
Regarding SB MVP arguments when I'm told, "yea but the QB usually wins the SB MVP" or "the defense won xx SB" or "player xxxxxx should have got the MVP but they always give it to the QB", etc. Oh really. Ask Ben about that.
Ben Roethlisberger received 0 SB MVPs in three attempts. His 1st SB victory was one of the worst QB performances ever in the SB.
I think the Bolts were favorites in '06. I believe they had the #1 seed & lost to the Pats in the AFC Divisional game where Troy Brown stripped a Charger of the ball after a Brady pick. And then LDT was pissed afterwards because the Pats were mimicking Merriman's dance or something.
If the Hall of Fame were actually about only the very best players, none of them would get in. There is a class of QBs that is clearly above this group - Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Peyton, etc...
If you showed his career statistics to someone who didn't know what they were, he'd think he was being punked.
Namath has a bust in Canton because of one game - Super Bowl III - and not even because he was the starting QB for the team that won the game - but because history remembers (falsely) that Namath guaranteed the Jets would win the game.
In other words, Namath made it to Canton - not because of a career of high accomplishment, and not even because he played one great game on the game's biggest stage. He got in because we told ourselves a story about what he accomplished in that one game.
And all that's fine. But Eli Manning's argument for HOF induction is miles stronger than Namath's. He had, admittedly, a strangely shaped career. Not too many HOFs have a .500 winning percentage (though Namath's was about .480). But he's top-10 in several passing categories, has the Iron Man streak, and beat the best QB (and probably the best team) of all time in the Super Bowl. And then he did it again.
If the Hall of Fame were actually about only the very best players, none of them would get in. There is a class of QBs that is clearly above this group - Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Peyton, etc...
In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.
This is a fair point you make.
At the same time, you're very likely inducting very few to nobody a year with such standard.
From the Hall of Fame's perspective that might be too much.
I think the Bolts were favorites in '06. I believe they had the #1 seed & lost to the Pats in the AFC Divisional game where Troy Brown stripped a Charger of the ball after a Brady pick. And then LDT was pissed afterwards because the Pats were mimicking Merriman's dance or something.
Yeah I remember that pick/fumble in real time, and thought to myself if he just held onto the pick that was very very likely the ball game.
This was in an era where a 10 point lead or whatever with 6 minutes to go was enough. Hence why it felt tragic the way they gave it up like that.
2006, Bears in the Super Bowl with Grossman. Only Colts stood in the way, and Chargers typically did well against them.
Very likely a lost ring for San Diego right there.
If the Hall of Fame were actually about only the very best players, none of them would get in. There is a class of QBs that is clearly above this group - Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Peyton, etc...
In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.
This is a fair point you make.
At the same time, you're very likely inducting very few to nobody a year with such standard.
From the Hall of Fame's perspective that might be too much.
My preference would be that the HOF only be for the very best players. If that means not inducting someone for five years, so be it.
Eli will get in one day. None of this shit matters.
SLAYYYYYYYY.
Ben and Eli will get in. Rivers is the only question mark because of the lack of post season success.
Trotter is an idiot.
Rivers/Roth/Eli are all definite HOFers.
I wonder if the alleged rapes happened at the Sac O' Suds?
'EYE...DENTICAL!'
JP Losman.
Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.
Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.
I know it meant no Chase Young, but I was rooting hard for Eli to win that one so we didn't have to hear debates about a "below .500 QB" being voted in the HOF. ".500 QB" doesn't sound great either but it sounds way better.
I can argue Ben is the worst of the 3. Did any QB outside of Aikman, play with a more complete team in his career then Ben?
Ok, we are now moving on to.....
Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.
Still pretty much a shoe-in.
Not first ballot, but he certainly deserves it for what he accomplished.
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'EYE...DENTICAL!'
LMAO!
I also think HOFs are too big/broad.
Somewhere Willie Ramon Colon is holding someone.
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I wonder if the alleged rapes happened at the Sac O' Suds?
Wherever it happened, it was a HYANUS crime.
They’re the biggest brand name in football.
5 players in the NFL's SB history have received multiple SB MVPs. 3 of them are in the HoF; Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, & Joe Montana. The other two are Tom Brady and Eli Manning.
Just for kicks we'll add ...
Regarding SB MVP arguments when I'm told, "yea but the QB usually wins the SB MVP" or "the defense won xx SB" or "player xxxxxx should have got the MVP but they always give it to the QB", etc. Oh really. Ask Ben about that.
Ben Roethlisberger received 0 SB MVPs in three attempts. His 1st SB victory was one of the worst QB performances ever in the SB.
Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.
Yep.
But, He ll get in, it just won’t be the slam dunk some think. It might not be 1st ballot
Unfortunately, he was on dreadful teams after that that led him to finishing as a .500 QB.
His dad was never on a winning team. He was 35-101.
Same argument can be made for Simms and the 49ers teams Montana had.
I can argue Ben is the worst of the 3. Did any QB outside of Aikman, play with a more complete team in his career then Ben?
Rivers teams were the SB favorites several times before the season. He was a choke artist and never won shit
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Easily.
I can argue Ben is the worst of the 3. Did any QB outside of Aikman, play with a more complete team in his career then Ben?
Rivers teams were the SB favorites several times before the season. He was a choke artist and never won shit
Rivers played on some good team but I doubt they were SB favorites when Pitt, Indy, and NE were all loaded during those times.
All should get into Canton.
In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.
Namath has a bust in Canton because of one game - Super Bowl III - and not even because he was the starting QB for the team that won the game - but because history remembers (falsely) that Namath guaranteed the Jets would win the game.
In other words, Namath made it to Canton - not because of a career of high accomplishment, and not even because he played one great game on the game's biggest stage. He got in because we told ourselves a story about what he accomplished in that one game.
And all that's fine. But Eli Manning's argument for HOF induction is miles stronger than Namath's. He had, admittedly, a strangely shaped career. Not too many HOFs have a .500 winning percentage (though Namath's was about .480). But he's top-10 in several passing categories, has the Iron Man streak, and beat the best QB (and probably the best team) of all time in the Super Bowl. And then he did it again.
In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.
This is a fair point you make.
At the same time, you're very likely inducting very few to nobody a year with such standard.
From the Hall of Fame's perspective that might be too much.
Yeah I remember that pick/fumble in real time, and thought to myself if he just held onto the pick that was very very likely the ball game.
This was in an era where a 10 point lead or whatever with 6 minutes to go was enough. Hence why it felt tragic the way they gave it up like that.
2006, Bears in the Super Bowl with Grossman. Only Colts stood in the way, and Chargers typically did well against them.
Very likely a lost ring for San Diego right there.
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If the Hall of Fame were actually about only the very best players, none of them would get in. There is a class of QBs that is clearly above this group - Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas, Peyton, etc...
In this watered down HOF, all three will get in.
This is a fair point you make.
At the same time, you're very likely inducting very few to nobody a year with such standard.
From the Hall of Fame's perspective that might be too much.
My preference would be that the HOF only be for the very best players. If that means not inducting someone for five years, so be it.