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thoughts of old or long term giant fan: I think joe judge

plato : 1/28/2022 2:36 am
deserved another year at least as head coach. He may have needed a bench coach and certainly needed an OC and OL coach who had spent time with the team and with JJ. Give him an OL and good offensive positioning coaching on an NFL level and I don’t think any new HC overall will be any better than JJ.

If physically OK, DJ deserves another two years, one to play in and one as security. He is still very young, athletically gifted, but needs an offense scheme to thrive in and players to play with. He has not, NOT had an OC or time in a qb friendly offense. He is smart, a hard working, dedicated football player. His basketball skills testify to his vision and ability to have more than straight ahead speed.

Most here represent the Jacobean mob yelling for blood. Not a way to run an organization as complex as a NFL football team in 21st century We have a new GM who was a #1 need. Time for him and the fans to be careful and wise in making choices as critical as qb, HC, and coordinators. Let’s not lapse into change for change sake. There’s plenty work for the new GM to do in revitalizing the FO, installing a 21st century data management and prediction system, improving the training, medical and physical development groups, and evaluating and drafting football players rather than players in an inflated FA market.

We will need to take these steps and watch how we become a competitive, and then winning team. Evaluation and wise changes is what count, not explosions and anarchist revisionism.


Words like "give" and "deserves" don't belong in the NFL  
Go Terps : 1/28/2022 3:23 am : link
This is an ultra competitive environment, not a charity.
To some extent I agree...  
monstercoo : 1/28/2022 3:42 am : link
Going into this season, it seemed like Judge was guaranteed at least a season 3. Making a special teams coach the head coach seemed like a way to avoid him being held accountable in the short term. Garrett clearly was going to be the fall guy this year.

I'm really curious to hear about Daniel Jones' status for 2022 and if he'll be ready Week 1. I suspect that Mara might know more about his prognosis and that may have to do with the quick decision to rebuild.


Is there such a thing  
cjac : 1/28/2022 5:18 am : link
As a bench coach in the NFL?

That aside I have 2 things, I think it was the right move to get rid of Judge now. He was melting down in his post game pressers. That’s never a good sign

I also don’t appreciate the use of my last name as a metaphor for an angry mob
On Judge  
Chocco : 1/28/2022 5:23 am : link
I can see what your saying and to a point I agree. I think the way the year ended, Judge had to go. He changed after Garrett left especially the last couple weeks. Weird stuff like saying old players were calling him, calling out Shurmur, the Washington football team... Etc. Stuff he never would have said before. After the last game it's hard for me not to think he gave up. I honestly don't think he wanted to come back.

My biggest issue with Judge was his in game management did not improve at all in his 2 years. If your going to hold your players to an improvement standard you need to be held to one yourself. I agree he should have had a bench coach to learn from, but really they blew that when they made Graham the assistant head coach. That role should have been given to someone with head coaching experience that could have helped mentor him.

IMO I still think he can be a good HC if he goes back to another team (Not the Pats) and learns the the offensive or defensive side of the ball. For ex. Take a job as a LB coach with a team like KC or
SF (start at specials only if you have to) and work your way back up to a DC. You will learn in game management better when you are responsible for coaching either side of the ball. I am not saying you can't from coaching special teams but you don't have the same in game responsibilities. Then if you can excel as a coordinator he will be a much more well rounded coach and some team will take a shot on him. But he better choose wisely
RE: Is there such a thing  
jvm52106 : 1/28/2022 5:29 am : link
In comment 15579402 cjac said:
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As a bench coach in the NFL?

That aside I have 2 things, I think it was the right move to get rid of Judge now. He was melting down in his post game pressers. That’s never a good sign

I also don’t appreciate the use of my last name as a metaphor for an angry mob


Called game management, Bills have one in an asst WR Coach
What did Judge do to earn another year?  
robbieballs2003 : 1/28/2022 5:44 am : link
Let's stop feeling bad for guys. I was a HUGE Judge fan and maybe in a different situation he succeeds. But this isn't that situation. Last year his team fought. This year they got worse. This year he got worse. Blaming the headsets was the last straw for me. It is a bullshit answer and shows he didn't own up to his own problems. He acted as if this was a one game occurrence. The horrendous use of timeouts was going on two years. As a HC you prepare for that and have a plan. I would wager that the Giants were one of the top teams using timeouts on defense and it almost never worked in their favor. I feel like we would give up a TD most of the time coming out of the timeout. Simply put, we were never prepared properly.
Two more years?  
trueblueinpw : 1/28/2022 5:55 am : link
Who among us could go to our boss and say, “sure, all the results, including every measurable and objective KPIs have been among the very worst of my 32 others peers. But I need to make my staff larger, even though it’s already the largest in the NFL. I need two more years. I deserve more”?

The truth is that Joe Judge never should have been hired. He wasn’t ready, he wasn’t qualified and he didn’t do a good job when given the opportunity. This worry about firing a guy who produced two pathetic seasons I simply don’t understand.

Ditto for Jones who no one ever projected to be maybe and backup or middling game manager. And ditto to every other player on the Giants who’s not producing. I’m tired of seeing the Giants lose on game day. We’re the worst team in the NFL. Any fan paying attention to the NFL should see that the Giants are poorly run and need massive change. That change has started, yes again, by Mara saying that the losing isn’t acceptable. Losers in the NFL don’t magically turn into winners with seasoning and patience, they just keep losing. I honestly don’t know why anyone takes umbrage with the simple mandate of “win or else”.
You have a point  
exiled : 1/28/2022 6:49 am : link
Silk purse out of a sow’s ear and all. And Jones never, *never* had a shot on this offense.
He may one day figure out how to be a decent HC, but  
ZogZerg : 1/28/2022 6:54 am : link
The Giants HAD TO fire him to move on with a complete rebuild. It is much easier for new GM and coaches to clean up the roster.
DJ 'deserves' two more seasons?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/28/2022 7:00 am : link
WTF...?
I remember a few years back  
Mayo2JZ : 1/28/2022 7:10 am : link
we were playing the Saints on a Monday night in NO and they showed a prep session that Payton was having with Brees and I wondered if we ever did that? My point being that JJ never seemed prepared in any facet of the game. Perhaps he just took the job knowing he probably would be fired? Human nature is a peculiar thing.
RE: Two more years?  
Mayo2JZ : 1/28/2022 7:13 am : link
In comment 15579412 trueblueinpw said:
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Who among us could go to our boss and say, “sure, all the results, including every measurable and objective KPIs have been among the very worst of my 32 others peers. But I need to make my staff larger, even though it’s already the largest in the NFL. I need two more years. I deserve more”?

The truth is that Joe Judge never should have been hired. He wasn’t ready, he wasn’t qualified and he didn’t do a good job when given the opportunity. This worry about firing a guy who produced two pathetic seasons I simply don’t understand.

Ditto for Jones who no one ever projected to be maybe and backup or middling game manager. And ditto to every other player on the Giants who’s not producing. I’m tired of seeing the Giants lose on game day. We’re the worst team in the NFL. Any fan paying attention to the NFL should see that the Giants are poorly run and need massive change. That change has started, yes again, by Mara saying that the losing isn’t acceptable. Losers in the NFL don’t magically turn into winners with seasoning and patience, they just keep losing. I honestly don’t know why anyone takes umbrage with the simple mandate of “win or else”.


+1
I share the opinion of others ...  
Beer Man : 1/28/2022 7:16 am : link
that his bizarre behavior in front of the press during the final weeks of the season cost him his job. Otherwise I believe the team would have given him one more year. We heard Mara say with a few weeks left in the season that he still believed in JJ.
Disagree  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/28/2022 7:24 am : link
Judge may be the worst in game coach I've seen in a long time. I don't just mean 4th down stuff... the timeouts, the bizarre play calls, the overall lack of feel for the game. Situational awareness is severely lacking. Countless examples of this game after game... he cost the Giants plenty of games the last 2 years on his own.

Typically this doesn't change no matter the roster.

You either know wtf you're doing, or you don't.

You give him the 2011 Giants roster and he still wouldn't win.
I heard the internal culture was also in disarray.  
Giant John : 1/28/2022 7:26 am : link
Given the poor performance on the field - especially in terms of in game adjustments combined with what was going on internally it was time. The right decision was made without doubt in my mind.
RE: RE: Is there such a thing  
cjac : 1/28/2022 7:28 am : link
In comment 15579406 jvm52106 said:
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As a bench coach in the NFL?

That aside I have 2 things, I think it was the right move to get rid of Judge now. He was melting down in his post game pressers. That’s never a good sign

I also don’t appreciate the use of my last name as a metaphor for an angry mob



Called game management, Bills have one in an asst WR Coach


Oh ok, i thought it was more of say Pat Graham being the "assistant head coach" But to the OP point, Judge seemed terrible at game management so that might have helped.
In the sport of wrestling  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/28/2022 7:47 am : link
we have a saying, "you get what you earn."
Two more years for Jones?  
rsjem1979 : 1/28/2022 7:58 am : link
Why not ten more? You know, for security.

As for Judge, unless you wanted Abrams as GM, there was no way to keep him as HC, and if he needs a chaperone on the sideline maybe the job was too big for him.
Two more years for Jones???  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 8:05 am : link
Based off of what?
RE: Two more years for Jones???  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 8:06 am : link
In comment 15579512 ajr2456 said:
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Based off of what?


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is smart, a hard working, dedicated football player. His basketball skills testify to his vision and ability to have more than straight ahead speed.


Two more years because he works hard and is good at basketball??
Taking a Knee  
GruningsOnTheHill : 1/28/2022 8:10 am : link
at the 3yd line--and TWICE--because you're too scared a safety will be a more likely result than positive yards is the most pathetic thing I have witnessed in a football game. That sealed his fate for me.

Time and again he showed an inability to manage the clock, and there were too many "womp-womp" moments where he was outmaneuvered by the opposing coach.

Perhaps a nice guy, but he never should have been hired in the first place.
"Most here represent the Jacobean mob yelling for blood."  
HomerJones45 : 1/28/2022 8:27 am : link
Give us a fucking break. Maybe it's people who just know shit from shinola.

There was no rational basis to give Judge another year. The team went backwards after spending 100 million on free agents. He fought with his staff, half the team packed it in the last 6 weeks of the season, and he either suffered a mental collapse or simply pitched a snit by the end. Good riddance.

Jones is what he was coming out of college, a not very talented passer who got as far as he did off 4 years of professional qb coaching from Cutcliffe, a passing physical resemblance to Eli Manning, the abject stupidity and ignorance of Mara, Gettlemen and the rest of the merry band of yokels in the front office and a few games his rookie year. Part of the reason poor ol' Daniel has gone through two coaches and three OC's is Daniel Jones. Once DC's got a book on him, the party was over. Enough already. The nightmare is that he improves to mediocrity and Jawn and his talented scout brother feel he has been saved and back the truck up with a contract.

So despite going backwards to a 4-12 record, there are posters who still want to keep the same crew in place. SMH
Geezus  
JonC : 1/28/2022 8:39 am : link
Judge was awful on gameday, suggesting he didn't understand the actual rules of the game or how to manage it. He melted down in front of the media basically pleading to save his job. Leaders in the locker room did not back him to save his job after the season, further telling you what we all saw (or you should have seen), Judge was in way over his head.

When they drafted Jones, I said that....  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2022 8:43 am : link
....I thought he may be maxed out as a player already. What I meant by that is that most drafted QBs have a lot of room for improvement in footwork, throwing mechanics, etc, because many college programs don't have top-shelf QB coaches. Jones, on the other hand, played four years for David Cutcliffe. He was advanced for a draft prospect in that regard, much more so than his peers. But they could improve their technique, while he has little room to grow.
Most injured team in the NFL since 2009  
BillT : 1/28/2022 8:43 am : link
Four years into his tenure DG assembles a questionable roster. He’s totally to blame for that. Now, a Judge had two years input so he isn’t blameless. But then the injuries. Epic injuries. Injuries that even dwarfed those during the TC era and those were killer. No one, not Vince Lombardi, gets anything out of this team. I don’t know if Judge should have gotten another year but this was a disaster that transcended anything remotely normal and makes the solutions hard to fathom.
Absolutely not  
Now Mike in MD : 1/28/2022 8:47 am : link
I feel like he tried to coach as if he was in NE with no acknowledgement of his actual personnel. His philosophy was clearly play conservative and let the defense win. You saw it in the offensive philosophy. You saw this in his 4th down decision making. But this ignored the fact that the defense routinely could not hold leads.
And, the same goes for Jones  
JonC : 1/28/2022 8:47 am : link
The talent around him needs to be better, but he does just about everything average or worse on gameday that which is under his control.

This is a production league, and he doesn't make his teammates better, he doesn't produce touchdowns, he is what he was at Duke.

He was overdrafted. Judge was overhired. Mara and Tisch blew two more crucial decisions.
I was a supporter of Judge coming back until the last game  
Rudy5757 : 1/28/2022 8:47 am : link
Taking a knee on 2nd and 3rd down is about as embarrassing as it gets. You might as well wave the white flag and say we'll take the loss. We were not going to the playoffs, had nothing to lose and he quit. Tie that in with a new GM coming in and you really want to clean house and get that bad energy out and start fresh.

Players are different from coaches, you operate in a salary cap and right now there is no gain from cutting DJ. His salary is guaranteed and while he hasnt been consistently good, he is not a disaster either. He has an $8mil cap number whether he plays or you cut him so he does deserve 1 more year not 2 yet. Look at his career so far, he came in late in season 1 and showed some promise. Year 2 with a new coach and salary cap barely had any talent around him. Year 3 the leap year didnt pan out and again his weapons never really played together. He should be here next season if healthy. With our cap situation even if we draft a QB it would cost us more to bring in a backup than to keep DJ. If we cut him we need a starter and a backup.
Just focus on Judge's gameday performance  
JonC : 1/28/2022 8:49 am : link
It was poor to awful. He turtled up in 2021 and then he gave up. Don't spend another minute worrying about him, he made $25M from being overhired and failing, he'll be fine.
I disagree  
Les in TO : 1/28/2022 9:22 am : link
Judge didn’t deserve another season as JonC mentions above and Jones has been a losing QB in two offensive systems. He’ll probably get to play the final year but they should bring in a vet to challenge him for the starting job.
I disagree. I think almost ANY HC would have been  
Section331 : 1/28/2022 9:27 am : link
better than Judge. We all knew that there would be growing pains, but burning time outs, repeatedly punting on 4th and short on the opponents side of the 50, and then doing the double QB sneak just to punt the ball were just inexcusable. If he deserved an extra year - why? What did he show that he warranted it?

Better to rip off the band aid and start over.
He destroyed himself  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/28/2022 9:30 am : link
It was Jim Zorn esqe. All he had to do was not be a complete idiot.
I think your view is the one held by ownership  
Mike from Ohio : 1/28/2022 9:40 am : link
and likely the one that has held this team back for so long.

Giving a losing coach who is going off the deep end in press conference another year just to give him another year is silly. Instability is a problem, but the answer is not stability with people who haven't shown they can do the job.

And Jones? Again I don't understand the way some people look at the QB position differently than every other one. Why do you want to avoid competition and make sure there is only one person who can play it and make sure they feel noting but safe and secure? This is the NFL. If you don't perform you should be worried about losing your job to someone who is better.

The Giants need higher standards. What you are suggesting is just lowering them until people you like meet them.
No  
NJLCO : 1/28/2022 9:51 am : link
Neither one of those guys deserve anything from us. Period.
Your record is your record. Name one franchise QB that turned into a star in year 4 especially coming from Duke. And please don’t use AR as an example as he mentored behind Farve. Move on or will will be just adding on years to the past.
RE: Just focus on Judge's gameday performance  
mfsd : 1/28/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15579560 JonC said:
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It was poor to awful. He turtled up in 2021 and then he gave up. Don't spend another minute worrying about him, he made $25M from being overhired and failing, he'll be fine.


Yup and I'm sure either the Patriots or one of his buddies in college will give him a soft landing.

I like him and was rooting for him, but he wasn't up to the job
RE: I think your view is the one held by ownership  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15579637 Mike from Ohio said:
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and likely the one that has held this team back for so long.

Giving a losing coach who is going off the deep end in press conference another year just to give him another year is silly. Instability is a problem, but the answer is not stability with people who haven't shown they can do the job.

And Jones? Again I don't understand the way some people look at the QB position differently than every other one. Why do you want to avoid competition and make sure there is only one person who can play it and make sure they feel noting but safe and secure? This is the NFL. If you don't perform you should be worried about losing your job to someone who is better.

The Giants need higher standards. What you are suggesting is just lowering them until people you like meet them.


There’s not much of a difference between Jones performance and Engrams, but one is universally loathed while one is coddled. I mean even look at Jones vs Toney, who has only been here a year. It’s weird the most important position gets kid gloves
RE: Is there such a thing  
nyfootballfan : 1/28/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15579402 cjac said:
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I also don’t appreciate the use of my last name as a metaphor for an angry mob

neither does Brandon Jacobs. maybe.
RE: RE: I think your view is the one held by ownership  
Greg from LI : 1/28/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15579758 ajr2456 said:
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It’s weird the most important position gets kid gloves


People will deny it but I swear it's because he reminds them of Eli.
I doubt Judge gets another HC shot again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 10:30 am : link
Waiting years for a player to come around  
Producer : 1/28/2022 10:34 am : link
is stupid. Especially, when other teams are getting turned around in 2 years at the same time.

The Giants' precious resources are time and money. They need to use it wisely to get us on a winning footing as soon as possible.

Daniel Jones has never shown he can play consistently at an elite level. His numbers don't show it, his record doesn't show it, his traits do not indicate it.

You are asking him to do something he has never done in his entire life, play at an elite level, not for one play, not for one series, not for one game, but for 500 attempts, across 17 games. And then to ratchet it up from there and get better in the playoffs - like the great ones do.

You cannot count on Daniel Jones to transform into something he has never been. You cannot bet two more years on it and whatever chunk of the cap it will take. It is irresponsible to the team and to the fans.

You say the anti-Jones crowd is an anarchic mob who is impatient. Well I say you are letting emotion cloud your judgment. Teams are indeed turning around once they find the right QB, just look at the Bengals, Cards and Chargers, for starters. The Giants are a $5B football team and Daniel Jones is a millionaire who is bad at his job and likely won't get much better.

Of course every QB will improve when you make the supporting cast better. But Jones is somewhere between #22 and #28. What will he improve to? #18. That's not good enough. You want to sink two more years into that probability? The logical thing to do is to look aggressively for a new franchise QB.

That's not anarchy, that is cold, hard logic. Your way, you are not turning Daniel Jones into a butterfly, instead you are consigning us to two more years of lousy football and pushing the pushing the turnaround down the road.
RE: And, the same goes for Jones  
Thegratefulhead : 1/28/2022 10:35 am : link
In comment 15579556 JonC said:
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The talent around him needs to be better, but he does just about everything average or worse on gameday that which is under his control.

This is a production league, and he doesn't make his teammates better, he doesn't produce touchdowns, he is what he was at Duke.

He was overdrafted. Judge was overhired. Mara and Tisch blew two more crucial decisions.
Truth.
RE: Just focus on Judge's gameday performance  
Thegratefulhead : 1/28/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15579560 JonC said:
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It was poor to awful. He turtled up in 2021 and then he gave up. Don't spend another minute worrying about him, he made $25M from being overhired and failing, he'll be fine.
Did you drink sodium pentothal this morning? You are usually much less blunt than I am.
RE: Waiting years for a player to come around  
Thegratefulhead : 1/28/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15579798 Producer said:
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is stupid. Especially, when other teams are getting turned around in 2 years at the same time.

The Giants' precious resources are time and money. They need to use it wisely to get us on a winning footing as soon as possible.

Daniel Jones has never shown he can play consistently at an elite level. His numbers don't show it, his record doesn't show it, his traits do not indicate it.

You are asking him to do something he has never done in his entire life, play at an elite level, not for one play, not for one series, not for one game, but for 500 attempts, across 17 games. And then to ratchet it up from there and get better in the playoffs - like the great ones do.

You cannot count on Daniel Jones to transform into something he has never been. You cannot bet two more years on it and whatever chunk of the cap it will take. It is irresponsible to the team and to the fans.

You say the anti-Jones crowd is an anarchic mob who is impatient. Well I say you are letting emotion cloud your judgment. Teams are indeed turning around once they find the right QB, just look at the Bengals, Cards and Chargers, for starters. The Giants are a $5B football team and Daniel Jones is a millionaire who is bad at his job and likely won't get much better.

Of course every QB will improve when you make the supporting cast better. But Jones is somewhere between #22 and #28. What will he improve to? #18. That's not good enough. You want to sink two more years into that probability? The logical thing to do is to look aggressively for a new franchise QB.

That's not anarchy, that is cold, hard logic. Your way, you are not turning Daniel Jones into a butterfly, instead you are consigning us to two more years of lousy football and pushing the pushing the turnaround down the road.
Perfectly stated.
RE: RE: Just focus on Judge's gameday performance  
JonC : 1/28/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15579816 Thegratefulhead said:
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It was poor to awful. He turtled up in 2021 and then he gave up. Don't spend another minute worrying about him, he made $25M from being overhired and failing, he'll be fine.

Did you drink sodium pentothal this morning? You are usually much less blunt than I am.


I'll admit watching someone pocket $25M for two years of work grates on my nerves. I don't wanna work until I'm 70, lol.
RE: RE: RE: I think your view is the one held by ownership  
Thegratefulhead : 1/28/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15579771 Greg from LI said:
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It’s weird the most important position gets kid gloves



People will deny it but I swear it's because he reminds them of Eli.
The Mara's love Eli like a son. In the biggest games of their lives, ones we really had no business winning, Eli shined. They want that again, they believe it happened, not because fo the magic in his arm, but who was as a leader and person. They think they see it Jones. The sentiment is not wrong, their scouting is flawed. Eli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jones.
RE: Two more years for Jones???  
eli4life : 1/28/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15579512 ajr2456 said:
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Based off of what?


Might be two years before we are ready to actually go out and get one or one worthy of getting that fits their type could be that simple
RE: RE: RE: I think your view is the one held by ownership  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/28/2022 11:19 am : link
In comment 15579771 Greg from LI said:
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It’s weird the most important position gets kid gloves



People will deny it but I swear it's because he reminds them of Eli.


I swear...I think we actually drafted him because he looked like Eli & had the Cutliffe connection. I am not kidding when I say that.
No on Judge, Agree on DJ  
D HOS : 1/28/2022 12:21 pm : link
You'd have had to look far to find a bigger Judge fan than I was, even up to the first quarter of last season. But he was moving backwards as far as learning and tuning his craft - becoming less successful not more and the traits being shown were not going to be easily fixed nor acceptable.

DJ, I think is at least a good placeholder QB while some other areas of the team are addressed. I think 2 years is good. Get 2 good drafts, fix up some weak points in the roster and in talent acquisition and development, then find the franchise QB, whether that is someone you draft this year (doubtful), next year, a future trade or what... DJ can man the spot during this reset.

In the meanwhile, develop and become experienced with a QB friendly offense that would fit a variety of talents. When we get the future QB we don't want everyone learning the system all at once.
You don’t fill out your roster and then go try to get a QB  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 12:57 pm : link
You take one when you identify ones available. There’s this fantasy on this site that they can build up the roster and then just go grab a QB if they want. Look what the Rams had to give up to do it. The Titans haven’t been able to get one yet because they don’t pick high enough.

What do you propose paying Jones for the 5th year he “deserves”?
IMO Judge fired himself at the end of the season. The job and the  
arniefez : 1/28/2022 1:01 pm : link
losing seemed to break him. Plus Mara admitted there were major problems in the organization. The rumors of Judge and Gettleman not getting along seem to be verified and then there's a whole 3rd faction in the personnel department. I hope Schoen is up for the job he's taken on. I'm not sure anyone could be.
I'm saying that with a flawed organization  
D HOS : 1/28/2022 1:02 pm : link
You compromise any but the most elite QB's. So let DJ be the placeholder while those issues get fixed or at least we are better prepared. I like drafting QB's so we can draft one next year (I assume) or even this year if they have a conviction on someone. Then let the new QB sit for 1 or 2 years (yeah I know... leverage the rookie contract - but humans, how they learn and gain experience, they don't work like that) so that when the new QB takes the field, he has competence around him, not failure.

Can anyone dispute that you need to put competence around your QB, not failure?
RE: I'm saying that with a flawed organization  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15580154 D HOS said:
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You compromise any but the most elite QB's. So let DJ be the placeholder while those issues get fixed or at least we are better prepared. I like drafting QB's so we can draft one next year (I assume) or even this year if they have a conviction on someone. Then let the new QB sit for 1 or 2 years (yeah I know... leverage the rookie contract - but humans, how they learn and gain experience, they don't work like that) so that when the new QB takes the field, he has competence around him, not failure.

Can anyone dispute that you need to put competence around your QB, not failure?


Are the Bengals an organization you look up to? The Chargers? Both very flawed organizations. QBs seem to be doing fine there.
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