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Is anyone else surprised that Frazier is even in the mix?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 10:18 am
Not based on the playoff loss (that happens). And his defense in Buffalo this year was very good.

But given his age and his really mediocre previous run as HC, I'm not even sure why he is one of the candidates.

Daboll and Flores are in the weird situation of having to wait on Frazier being interviewed right now. I assume Daboll and Frazier are friends so he would be more understanding.

I think the Giants did a decent job of picking three good candidates: Flores, Daboll, Quinn

Anarumo, Frazier, and Graham seem like stretches to me. I would have liked to have seen other candidates there, many of whom have already been discussed on BBI.
NOPE  
jvm52106 : 1/28/2022 10:22 am : link
gives them all more of a chance to get many perspectives, including ideas on what coordinators they would be looking at etc. It can never hurt to have feedback about your organization and how other organizations function. The Giants are doing exactly what we all wanted them to do- I don't look for each move to find the negative in it.

I understand why  
CV36 : 1/28/2022 10:23 am : link
it makes sense why they have interviewed each candidate to me. Not saying I would be happy some of them as a HC but I get it.
Yes, you're correct and I don't get it.  
Chris684 : 1/28/2022 10:23 am : link
One thing I'll say is if Frazier ever somehow wound up with this job it would be funny to hear the people who want Mara to stay out try to explain what happened with Schoen and his Buffalo guys.

I think they are/were on the right track with Quinn, Daboll and Flores.

I would have also interviewed Pederson and DeMeco Ryans.
Poor guy has to get on a plane and come to NY  
State Your Name : 1/28/2022 10:23 am : link
just for a meaningless interview that fulfills an arbitrary requirement. I just feel bad for him.
Not surprised  
GFAN52 : 1/28/2022 10:24 am : link
Given Schoen’s time in Buffalo.
My hope is that this is Schoen doing a favor  
Strahan91 : 1/28/2022 10:24 am : link
for Frazier. Had he not had today's interview, he would be the only candidate who didn't meet in person for a full interview with the organization. That wouldn't be the best look for him.
Schoen has worked with him  
UberAlias : 1/28/2022 10:27 am : link
I'm sure he must think very highly of him. Also, if Schoen hires Daboll and doesn't even interview Frazier given their experience, it could be seen as a red flag for some with respect to Frazier in the future as to why he wasn't even considered.
Frazier  
GF1080 : 1/28/2022 10:29 am : link
Someone called him the Shurmur of D and it couldn't be more accurate. So blah.
State Your Name: Your ignorance is showing  
WillieYoung : 1/28/2022 10:30 am : link
You do know Brian Flores is black. This is not a Rooney Rule interview.
RE: Schoen has worked with him  
Mike from Ohio : 1/28/2022 10:31 am : link
In comment 15579766 UberAlias said:
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I'm sure he must think very highly of him. Also, if Schoen hires Daboll and doesn't even interview Frazier given their experience, it could be seen as a red flag for some with respect to Frazier in the future as to why he wasn't even considered.


I tend to agree with this. I think Schoen didn't want to be viewed as wanting someone he was familiar with, but not even considering Frazier given how well the Buffalo defense has played.

I think it was more of a perfunctory selection, but not because Frazier is a minority candidate, but because him not being considered could be viewed as him no longer being a viable candidate elsewhere.
I'm not  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/28/2022 10:34 am : link
Really good reputation as a defensive coach and McDermott has said it is his defense. Had a winning season and perhaps there are valid reasons for why he did not win more.

Highly respected, has been on two SB teams (one a a player and one as a AHC.

I get some get all in on the "Young", "Modern", etc. idea but this is a guy who has been around what it takes to get the top as both a player and coach. I think he deserves a little more respect imv.
RE: State Your Name: Your ignorance is showing  
eli4life : 1/28/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15579776 WillieYoung said:
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You do know Brian Flores is black. This is not a Rooney Rule interview.


I think it’s two in person interviews
This place would implode if he ends up being the guy.  
Blue21 : 1/28/2022 10:34 am : link
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How old was Couglin  
NorthCountryGiantsFan : 1/28/2022 10:34 am : link
When we hired him? 58... Tom had also had a successful first stint and then it fell apart at the end (19-29 over last 3 years in Jax). I don't think the age should play a huge roll and Frazier is definitely worthy an interview imo.
RE: How old was Couglin  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15579796 NorthCountryGiantsFan said:
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When we hired him? 58... Tom had also had a successful first stint and then it fell apart at the end (19-29 over last 3 years in Jax). I don't think the age should play a huge roll and Frazier is definitely worthy an interview imo.


Tom Coughlin got the Giants into the playoffs in two years. We're years away from that.
3 things  
Hilary : 1/28/2022 10:36 am : link
1.Parcells you are what your record says you are
2. On the other hand you look at Patriots without Brady and Saints without Brees and you see how important the roster is to the coach
3. Schoen knows him. A coach who is honest and has good people skills like Graham and likely Frazier could do very well with good coordinators.
it's also not the worst thing to maintain relationships  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 10:37 am : link
who knows if frazier ends up available as a DC in the next few years? schoen knows his current contract situation better than anyone assuming he doesn't get hired for a head coaching job (and even if he does it's possible that's the fastest path back on the open market). He's turning 63 so whenever he's next out of contract may be his last good chance to cash in.
RE: RE: How old was Couglin  
NorthCountryGiantsFan : 1/28/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15579802 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15579796 NorthCountryGiantsFan said:


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When we hired him? 58... Tom had also had a successful first stint and then it fell apart at the end (19-29 over last 3 years in Jax). I don't think the age should play a huge roll and Frazier is definitely worthy an interview imo.



Tom Coughlin got the Giants into the playoffs in two years. We're years away from that.


So because you think we're more than 2 years away he doesn't deserve an interview??? This is the NFL with expanded playoffs. A couple of lucky bounces and you're in. Hell if not for a couple early season miscues we would've had 7 wins and Judge would still be here. The 2nd half would've been blamed solely on injuries. I don't think the age and expected turnaround should be factors. Give me someone who can coach...period...
RE: RE: State Your Name: Your ignorance is showing  
Strahan91 : 1/28/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15579790 eli4life said:
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In comment 15579776 WillieYoung said:


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You do know Brian Flores is black. This is not a Rooney Rule interview.



I think it’s two in person interviews

No, one will suffice. It's two overall but only one has to be in-person and they already interviewed Frazier virtually.
No  
jeff57 : 1/28/2022 10:44 am : link
Schoen thinks very highly of him
Not surprised at all….  
Spider56 : 1/28/2022 10:57 am : link
He could be the ‘compromise’ candidate. Strong familiarity with Schoen and the prior experience the owners justifiably want … plus wasn’t the Buffalo defense the best in league this year? I’m not saying it would be a great hire, but the interviews make sense. He’d most likely not be confrontational with Schoen and very appreciative of his obvious last chance.
I still think its a Rooney Rule issue  
Rudy5757 : 1/28/2022 12:06 pm : link
In my opinion; and I could be wrong; the Giants dont want it to look like a Rooney Rule interview. So out of courtesy they are extending him an in person interview. Just my opinion but it never seemed like the guy really had a chance.
This would be an incredibly uninspiring hire  
Breeze_94 : 1/28/2022 12:41 pm : link
How can you trust this guys game management as HC after watching his defense collapse in 13 seconds?

Secondly, he was not a good head coach in Minnesota. Did not move the needle at all for them

Lastly, he is 62 years old. Even if he did somehow turn this thing around, is he a long term answer? Very few guys coach past their mid/late 60’s.

I feel like when you hire a coach, the Ultimate goal is a guy who is part of 15-20 year run of stability. While not common, it’s the best case scenario for a new hire So Frazier, to me, is a very low ceiling candidate.
The fact that we only interviewed  
Dankbeerman : 1/28/2022 3:24 pm : link
1 offensive coach is telling.

Its very hard to sell the fix to our tremendous offensive issues without a guy that would be speaking to how hes going to change/fix the offense.

Cards arr stacked in Dabols favor. Shcoen set it up that way.

If Flores gets the nod it will likely mean Mara stepped in and made the choice. In that case keep a short list of coaching candidates close at hand for 2024.
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widmerseyebrow : 1/28/2022 4:35 pm : link
I think Schoen just wants two of his guys in the hiring pool in case one of them (Daboll) goes somewhere else. Mara has made it obvious that Flores is his guy. Schoen may have only interviewed him to not rock the boat but really doesn't think highly of him.
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