Some info on Flores interview on OC process per Art/Schultz

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why is this public knowledge? Although in the is case it's possible maybe even probable it's coming from his agent. Why can't anything stay a secret in that building?

And then when he does will probably turn his old ways. Sounds alot like Mike McCarthy.

In comment 15580160 arniefez said:

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why is this public knowledge? Although in the is case it's possible maybe even probable it's coming from his agent. Why can't anything stay a secret in that building?

You can't prevent agents from "leaking" information, even if not true, to pump up the value of their clients.

Which OCs could he mean? Matt Nagy? Bill Lazor? Klint Kubiak?

someone had it right the other day that suggested everything about Flores the past week or two has been coming from his team directly.

In comment 15580160 arniefez said:

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why is this public knowledge? Although in the is case it's possible maybe even probable it's coming from his agent. Why can't anything stay a secret in that building?

My hunch is that Flores agents have been actively feeding the media with information about Giants process to make their client look better. Mara confirmed yesterday that he called Flores to let him know he would be interviewed but how did the media know about it before Schoen was hired as GM? Flores team is leaking this stuff.

In comment 15580170 Anakim said:

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Which OCs could he mean? Matt Nagy? Bill Lazor? Klint Kubiak?

I know Bill O'Brien was mentioned, but it sounds like he might return to New England, especially if Josh McDaniels gets hired in Vegas. And Matt Nagy would make sense to return to Kansas City if Eric Bieniemy gets a HC, job.

Dolphins GM and owner wanted Tua

Fired man says he'll do opposite of what got him fired this time.

has been leaking info for a couple of weeks.

the way that is written, if true how it went down, isn't good...

I'd prefer a coach who knows what assistants he wants rather than one who is going to have the organization choose for him.

"You talk the talk. Can you walk the walk."

He is a smart guy and knew what he had to overcome going into the interview. If was not prepared to answer with a clear cut solution than we should not want him as our HC. My guess is he has been the phones and went into the meeting with options he would have and perhaps said he is open to suggestions.

In comment 15580196 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Fired man says he'll do opposite of what got him fired this time.

You minimize it ... but isn't that what you (we) want to hear and see from Mara & Co?

The questions are Will he actually do it? Is he a person that can really self reflective, take constructive critism change and grow? His resume is the most impressive when you look at it in totally to Daboll ... Actuall Quinn would be the close 2nd considering he actually to a team to a SB as the HC vs an Assistant or Coordinator and some could say he should be 1st if you weight that even more heavily.

the Giants conversations.

We are one big collaborating mess in NY...

is a huge red flag. That he's now saying "why don't you guys pick the OC" is actually the opposite of reassuring for me.

I was pretty even on Daboll v Flores, but this might tip the scales away from Flores permanently for me.

He'll probably pull the same crap to make himself look good if he's in the job

Because 95% of the "leaking and speculation" is all coming from info involving Flores, and none of the other candidates...

In comment 15580240 Heisenberg said:

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is a huge red flag. That he's now saying "why don't you guys pick the OC" is actually the opposite of reassuring for me. I was pretty even on Daboll v Flores, but this might tip the scales away from Flores permanently for me.

My feeling as well. It'd be like if Schoen asked ownership to pick a head coach for him because he's not good at it.

had a ton to do with the Bills offensive scheme. The offense completely changed when they built their analytics department.

I think a major concern by Schoen would be that Flores would insist on running the offense his way. Flores likely made the right statement that he'd be willing to follow the FO's lead on how to run an offense.

So Flores, a guy who couldn't find a competent OC, is saying his plan to fix the offense, is defer to the people that forced Jason Garret on the last coach.

If you can't find a competent offensive staff, maybe you should be a DC

In comment 15580279 Blue The Dog said:

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So Flores, a guy who couldn't find a competent OC, is saying his plan to fix the offense, is defer to the people that forced Jason Garret on the last coach. If you can't find a competent offensive staff, maybe you should be a DC

+1

In comment 15580279 Blue The Dog said:

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So Flores, a guy who couldn't find a competent OC, is saying his plan to fix the offense, is defer to the people that forced Jason Garret on the last coach. If you can't find a competent offensive staff, maybe you should be a DC

Couldn't agree more.

In comment 15580279 Blue The Dog said:

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So Flores, a guy who couldn't find a competent OC, is saying his plan to fix the offense, is defer to the people that forced Jason Garret on the last coach. If you can't find a competent offensive staff, maybe you should be a DC

True; funnily enough, Flores has never actually been a DC before. He jumped right from being the New England linebackers coach to the head coaching job at Miami.

In comment 15580277 AdamBrag said:

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had a ton to do with the Bills offensive scheme. The offense completely changed when they built their analytics department. I think a major concern by Schoen would be that Flores would insist on running the offense his way. Flores likely made the right statement that he'd be willing to follow the FO's lead on how to run an offense.

Read this post a couple times guys. I think this is what's going on here. Flores is trying to cozy up to Schoen here.

Mara isnt picking the OC, but Schoen will likely have an idea of what kind of offense he wants to run.

BBIers are unsurpassed at reading the most extreme negative things into every comment made by anyone connected to the Giants or involved with the Giants. I guess I should find it amusing.

In comment 15580279 Blue The Dog said:

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So Flores, a guy who couldn't find a competent OC, is saying his plan to fix the offense, is defer to the people that forced Jason Garret on the last coach. If you can't find a competent offensive staff, maybe you should be a DC

Ditto for special teams coordinators, no?

If Garrett was forced on Judge, it was because he had trouble getting solid coordinators and position coaches to join him and the owners seemed to admit they made a mistake trusting a coach who had limited higher level coordinator or any head coaching experience. He had a very small tenure with Alabama and was part of the Pats more closed end staffing network.

This is a sneaky reason why Daboll has value in how many places he's been. He's got a lot of networks/relations mingled about the last 15-18 years in NFL and college.

Reports out of Miami were saying he doesn't work well or collaboratively with others.

This sounds to me like Flores was obviously trying to address that.

If stuff is said about someone, should they not try to address what was said?

the problem is that there is no great or good OC for him to bring here. There's just no one available on that level for a defensive minded HC to bring here. And unfortunately, while our defense isn't any great shakes (they're okay), our offense is a ton worse off than our defense and needs to be brought into the 21st century. Daboll has a much better chance of achieving that than a defensive minded HC with no quality OC to bring here.

one thing that the Flores team hasn't leaked is that even one person liked working with him in Miami.

Why not either Mike Kafka or Mike McDaniel the latter is already an OC but neither call plays in their current role.

Has Joe Brady's star already burned out? What about Jim Caldwell? He's likely not getting any other HC gigs.

its been dumbed down to a term describing inability, insecurity, cowardice, and probably murder while we are at it.

He definitely just sat there and said "you guys pick the OC".

that there are these offensive geniuses taking over the sport and you need one to compete.

Look underneath the hood. For every single one of these so called "geniuses" there are a stud/franchise/top 10 QBs with the exception of maybe only Shannahan.

Also, I've never a coordinator do more with less than Pat Shurmur with Case Keenum in 2017. How'd that work out for us?

In comment 15580199 JonC said:

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has been leaking info for a couple of weeks.

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Definitely feels this way. Flores really wants the Giants, but I don’t think the feeling is mutual

In comment 15580191 Anakim said:

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In comment 15580170 Anakim said: Quote: Which OCs could he mean? Matt Nagy? Bill Lazor? Klint Kubiak? I know Bill O'Brien was mentioned, but it sounds like he might return to New England, especially if Josh McDaniels gets hired in Vegas. And Matt Nagy would make sense to return to Kansas City if Eric Bieniemy gets a HC, job.

I don't even think any team has nterviewed Bieniemy. I think his only hope of ever becoming a HC is if Reid wins the Superbowl in KC this year and decides he's going out on top.

In comment 15580196 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Fired man says he'll do opposite of what got him fired this time.

Hahaha!

Flores’ record doesn’t illustrate that no matter what he saying he’ll do in the future. We are creatures of habit. One just doesn’t change cold Turkey…then again Mara’s gave Kerry Collins a chance…