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Brain Flores... Why?

blugiant85 : 1/28/2022 1:56 pm
What's the obsession with a HC that went 24-25, didn't develop his QB and fired multiple OCs and staff in a 3 year span?
Yeah but  
State Your Name : 1/28/2022 1:57 pm : link
he went to Boston College.
Context  
Chris684 : 1/28/2022 1:59 pm : link
A key word which is usually missing here at the Forum.
I live in South Florida  
bluesince56 : 1/28/2022 1:59 pm : link
I heard a lot of negative stuff about him. I’d run away from him
Did well with a pretty bad roster  
Saos1n : 1/28/2022 1:59 pm : link
Team plays hard. Always seems to be in it. He’s a hard ass. New York guy

Mara wants an ‘adult in the room’ cause Shurmer obviously wasn’t enough lol
I've soured on him as well  
widmerseyebrow : 1/28/2022 2:00 pm : link
The seeming lack of a good network on the offensive side of the ball in concerning.
Hasn't this been tossed around...  
BamaBlue : 1/28/2022 2:00 pm : link
Ad nauseum? If you don't know why he's being considered, I don't think you've been paying attention. The Cliff Notes won't help...
People want the offense to be improved  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/28/2022 2:02 pm : link
Flores is not that guy. Fans also want stability with the coaching staff, Flores is also not that guy since he's had 4 OC's in 3 years. Fans also hated how conservative and unaggressive Judge was on 4th down, fans would hate Flores because he is worse.
Went 8-1 to end the season  
Pete from Woodstock : 1/28/2022 2:03 pm : link
2 winning season in a row
Because with a first name like Brain, he is bound to be smart  
Jimmy Googs : 1/28/2022 2:05 pm : link

this is an awful post  
KDavies : 1/28/2022 2:10 pm : link
you may prefer Daboll or someone else, but provide some context to the 24-25 record. The first year the Dolphins traded everyone and we’re tanking. Flores surprised everyone and won 5 games. The next two seasons he had winning records in both of them. He has done that despite a horrible OL, and below average QB play.

There are legitimate concerns regarding how good his oc will be, the circumstances of leaving, etc., but dismissing his accomplishments in getting that record is pretty ignorant
RE: Because with a first name like Brain, he is bound to be smart  
GeofromNJ : 1/28/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15580311 Jimmy Googs said:
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I never thought of that. Interesting.
I’ll net it out for you in simple terms.  
Spider56 : 1/28/2022 2:15 pm : link
Because he’s proven he can take a major turd and get it to be respectable and competitive very quickly... and that’s what we need. Plus he’s from a Brooklyn.
He won 19 games the past 2 seasons with a poor roster.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/28/2022 2:17 pm : link
For CONTEXT, the last time the Giants won 19 games over two year span, Odell Beckham was still in high school for one of those years.

The last time the Dolphins won 19 games over a 2 year span, Kadarious Toney was 5 years old.
A conversation between Goodell and Mara  
ghost718 : 1/28/2022 2:23 pm : link
that went like this

"John...if you don't listen to me..and hire one of these coaches...you'll disappoint me"
here's the simplest statistical justification that should be obvious  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 2:27 pm : link
2019 - dolphins vegas O/U 4.5 wins, they won 5
2020 - dolphins vegas O/U 6 wins, they won 10 (3rd in COY voting)
2021 - dolphins vegas O/U 9.5 wins, they won 9

in aggregate he was +4 wins but what stands out to me is that each year he met or exceeded expectations given circumstances.

the losing year might be the most impressive because everyone thought miami was openly tanking for tua and many legitimately questioned whether or not they would win more than 1 game. they traded Tunsil at the end of preseason and then traded fitzpatrick 2 weeks later. they learned real quick Josh Rosen wasn't the answer. that team was a literal practice squad roster and they somehow beat brady in week 17 to keep NE from getting a bye week.

its funny but for a fan base that has seen just 14 wins in the last 3 years and 0 winning seasons since 2016, we are really quick to say 24 wins in the last 3 years and 2 winning seasons in a row is trash.

im not flores or bust but i find it bizarre that some can't see the logic in hiring a coach with a track record as opposed to promoting a coordinator without one for the 4th time in a row. but hey, maybe the law of averages is finally in our favor.
It looked weird...  
knowledgetimmons : 1/28/2022 2:27 pm : link
when Trent Baalke was retained. Now, it looks like he was fired because the Dolphins are a bigger shit show behind the scenes than NYG

Flores went nearly .500 with virtually no quarterback. And don't give me any shit that Tua will do anything in this league, it's unlikely he will.
Not sure...  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2022 2:29 pm : link
Let me check the 40 other threads on the topic and see if I can dig up some answers for you. So let's put a pin in this and we'll circle next week. Sound good?
glad you felt the need to start this thread  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2022 2:30 pm : link
can I ask you a question back? Which QB's did Daboll work with in the NFL and what did their careers look like after Daboll?
RE: Not sure...  
GFAN52 : 1/28/2022 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15580356 Chris in Philly said:
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Let me check the 40 other threads on the topic and see if I can dig up some answers for you. So let's put a pin in this and we'll circle next week. Sound good?


LOL.
wrong thread  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2022 2:31 pm : link
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RE: Context  
TrustTheProcess : 1/28/2022 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15580297 Chris684 said:
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A key word which is usually missing here at the Forum.


This ^
Perhaps you can read one of the 50 threads on the subject  
Snablats : 1/28/2022 2:36 pm : link
To find your answers
You like to start threads  
lono801 : 1/28/2022 2:39 pm : link
Has it helped you find your answers?
Why a guy who has never been HC on any level before?  
MotownGIANTS : 1/28/2022 2:41 pm : link
?
Starting this thread...Why?  
Drewcon40 : 1/28/2022 3:03 pm : link
I see you are a new poster - welcome. This is a great place with knowledgable fans. There is some policing - which I agree with. Most threads are active so when post a thread title like this, it will have a reaction. Personally - my eyes saw it and thought the hiring was official and you were reacting.
RE: Not sure...  
Johnny5 : 1/28/2022 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15580356 Chris in Philly said:
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Let me check the 40 other threads on the topic and see if I can dig up some answers for you. So let's put a pin in this and we'll circle next week. Sound good?

lol. CiPpy always makes me smile.
RE: Not sure...  
Johnny5 : 1/28/2022 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15580356 Chris in Philly said:
Quote:
Let me check the 40 other threads on the topic and see if I can dig up some answers for you. So let's put a pin in this and we'll circle next week. Sound good?

lol. CiPpy always makes me smile.
Ruh roh...  
Johnny5 : 1/28/2022 3:06 pm : link
... here come the origin error double posts again... lol
Comes with red flags  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/28/2022 3:43 pm : link
only 32 of these jobs, there is no way we should be considering him, but Mara-Tisch chimera. Maybe its unfair he says she says BS, bit its not the Giants job to untangle that mess either.
Maybe do some research before criticizing the guy  
Jay on the Island : 1/28/2022 4:38 pm : link
Flores went to a rebuilding team that literally traded away nearly any veteran with trade value. Most expected them to go 1-15 or 2-14 if they were very lucky but instead went 5-11 with the least talented roster in the league. What was more impressive is that the Dolphins lost so many players due to injury and spent several games starting CB's who they had just signed off the street that week.

At one point the Dolphins were starting three Giant castoffs on defense, Calvin Munson, Avery Moss, and John Jenkins.

The next season they went 10-6 which is incredible when you consider where they were the year before.

This season they almost went to the playoffs despite losing their starting QB for 8 games.
The only question with Flores  
Vanzetti : 1/28/2022 6:47 pm : link
is whether he can learn to adapt and change like Tom Coughlin did.

he possesses the personality of a HC. He just has to learn to be more diplomatic and compromise. There is no doubt that he knows how to kick ass. That's what you have to worry about with Coach Krispy Kreme. Can he lead men? Not many can
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