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New York Giants officially hire Brian Daboll as head coach

bigblue12 : 1/28/2022 6:18 pm
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:19 pm : link
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Sources: The #Giants are working to hire #Bills OC Brian Daboll as their new head coach. The two sides will attempt to do a deal and reunite him with old friend and new NYG GM Joe Schoen.
Bang!  
Saos1n : 1/28/2022 6:20 pm : link
Listen, when Glazer speaks
Lets  
Giantology : 1/28/2022 6:21 pm : link
Fucking
GO!!!!!!!!!
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:21 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
I heard from an NFL source that the Dolphins do not expect Brian Daboll to still be available when they begin their second interviews.

So this makes sense. It looks like the favorite at the start will be the favorite at the finish ...
I really liked Flores  
bigblue12 : 1/28/2022 6:21 pm : link
but Daboll makes more sense. Get that staff filled out and lets go.
Schoen and Daboll the package deal  
GFAN52 : 1/28/2022 6:22 pm : link
not surprised at all.
So, Mara let Schoen hire his guy?  
Sean : 1/28/2022 6:22 pm : link
I think this is the right move.
I'm relieved its not Flores  
OdellBeckhamJr : 1/28/2022 6:23 pm : link
thank god, lets go shiny head big bearded man!
Glazer link  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 6:23 pm : link
https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/1487204137619968002?t=wbNbxNvh6W_Nv-i88rbzKw&s=19
RE: So, Mara let Schoen hire his guy?  
Saos1n : 1/28/2022 6:23 pm : link
In comment 15580747 Sean said:
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I think this is the right move.


According to reports, this is true. And if true, the right move. Good shit, John
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bluefin : 1/28/2022 6:24 pm : link
People saying a first time head coach is a bad thing...  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/28/2022 6:24 pm : link
a head coach starts somewhere so we wouldn't know if a head coach is good or not unless a team gives him the chance. Guys like McVay, Taylor, Shanahan, Lefleur, Siriani are all first time coaches and have had success so this fear fans have is just Judge paranoia to me.
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adamg : 1/28/2022 6:26 pm : link
Rooting for the G Men though  
adamg : 1/28/2022 6:27 pm : link
Hope Daboll is the next big thing. LFG
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Danny Kanell : 1/28/2022 6:27 pm : link
Good. I didn’t want Flores.
Shoen  
Thegratefulhead : 1/28/2022 6:27 pm : link
Get his way? I have to feel this is a good sign for the franchise. I wanted Flores over Daboll but I can be quite happy with this. Not a "my way or all is lost" kind of guy.
RE: People saying a first time head coach is a bad thing...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15580755 shadow_spinner0 said:
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a head coach starts somewhere so we wouldn't know if a head coach is good or not unless a team gives him the chance. Guys like McVay, Taylor, Shanahan, Lefleur, Siriani are all first time coaches and have had success so this fear fans have is just Judge paranoia to me.


Judge, McAdoo, Handley for some. I get the nervousness about a first time HC. But you can't just rule out ever hiring a first timer because the last three sucked.

Letting a fresh pair of eyes make the decision is the right move.
Now I will start believing it.  
CV36 : 1/28/2022 6:28 pm : link
If he's the choice lets get it done then get a phenomenal DC and OC. Lets get it lets go.
Here is the big reason I prefer an offense head coach  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/28/2022 6:29 pm : link
over a defensive guy. I'd rather an offensive head coach who calls his own plays. If we had a defensive guy as head coach and we hired some offensive guru as OC, that OC will get scooped up at the first sign of any Giants offensive success, similar to the Daboll right now. Rather keep the guy running the offense who has less chance to get scooped up by other teams. Rather have a Kyle Shanahan as a head coach then a Dan Quinn who loses Shanahan, then proceeds to see their offense decline.
I’m happy that Schoen got his man  
Chris684 : 1/28/2022 6:30 pm : link
even if I would have preferred Flores.

I’m really hoping he can land Dorsey and one of Wink, Fangio or Zimmer.

We’ve learned a couple times now how critical it is to get your staff right, specifically the coordinators.

Good luck Daboll! Hoping you’re here 10 years from now.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:31 pm : link
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Giants hiring former Bills’ OC Brian Daboll as their next head coach, per sources.
RE: Here is the big reason I prefer an offense head coach  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15580767 shadow_spinner0 said:
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over a defensive guy. I'd rather an offensive head coach who calls his own plays. If we had a defensive guy as head coach and we hired some offensive guru as OC, that OC will get scooped up at the first sign of any Giants offensive success, similar to the Daboll right now. Rather keep the guy running the offense who has less chance to get scooped up by other teams. Rather have a Kyle Shanahan as a head coach then a Dan Quinn who loses Shanahan, then proceeds to see their offense decline.


Schoen kind if let a clue slip when he used the word "continuity".
My guess is David Culley for OC  
FranknWeezer : 1/28/2022 6:32 pm : link
Bookmark this.
I hope they bring in Wink for DC  
adamg : 1/28/2022 6:32 pm : link
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Prefer Daboll  
JoeMorrison40 : 1/28/2022 6:33 pm : link
While he will have growing pains, Flores will have pains with solving our offense woes. Meanwhile, Daboll already has methods in place. Don't want turnover amongst coaches like Judge or Flores did.
Sometimes the obvious choice is the right one  
AcesUp : 1/28/2022 6:33 pm : link
He and Schoen have a good working relationship, that’s one less variable to worry about. He’s the guy Schoen wanted, so unlike Gettleman and Shurmur, you can hold Schoen accountable for Dabolls performance. The offense is broken, so it makes sense to bring in an offensive guy, that’s another variable you don’t have to worry about. I think Flores is a good coach but for this team with this gm it just makes sense to pair him with his guy.
Pat Leonard LOL  
Essex : 1/28/2022 6:33 pm : link
Pat Leonard Tweet

“Candidates are being informed that Brian Daboll is the Giants' next head coach, sources confirm, as @RapSheet reported.

An 11th-hour turn. Some in Giants brass, and many others, believed early in week it was Daboll & Dolphins.

Brian Flores had a chance, but it's Daboll to NYG”
Link - ( New Window )
Nice.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/28/2022 6:34 pm : link
And LOL to Leonard.
It’s not surprising.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/28/2022 6:34 pm : link
It is what it is. His resume doesn’t inspire much hope with me, but I’ll be rooting for him to do a great job.
No idea if he works out either  
AcesUp : 1/28/2022 6:34 pm : link
But this appears to be the path of least resistance.
Ken Dorsey for OC  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/28/2022 6:34 pm : link

Wink for DC
please indulge me  
NYDCBlue : 1/28/2022 6:35 pm : link
What are the terms of the new Rooney rule?

I've read around here mention of two in person interviews from candidates outside of the organization being required.

If so, was this a real interview process? Other than Patrick Graham, we did not interview anyone aside from Daboll and the two required minority candidates in Frazier and Flores...
We just need Daboll  
Joe in CT : 1/28/2022 6:35 pm : link
to land a good staff now, most importantly a good DC. No matter which OC he decides on you can be certain he will be putting his stamp on the OFF.
I'm good with it  
Producer : 1/28/2022 6:35 pm : link
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RE: Pat Leonard LOL  
shadow_spinner0 : 1/28/2022 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15580784 Essex said:
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Pat Leonard Tweet

“Candidates are being informed that Brian Daboll is the Giants' next head coach, sources confirm, as @RapSheet reported.

An 11th-hour turn. Some in Giants brass, and many others, believed early in week it was Daboll & Dolphins.

Brian Flores had a chance, but it's Daboll to NYG” Link - ( New Window )

He's a clown, he's the only one to report he was close to going to Miami, now he's trying to walk back his tweet from yesterday.
Kidnap Dorsey throw him in the  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/28/2022 6:36 pm : link
trunk and get him the hell over here!
RE: RE: Pat Leonard LOL  
Essex : 1/28/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15580794 shadow_spinner0 said:
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In comment 15580784 Essex said:


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Pat Leonard Tweet

“Candidates are being informed that Brian Daboll is the Giants' next head coach, sources confirm, as @RapSheet reported.

An 11th-hour turn. Some in Giants brass, and many others, believed early in week it was Daboll & Dolphins.

Brian Flores had a chance, but it's Daboll to NYG” Link - ( New Window )


He's a clown, he's the only one to report he was close to going to Miami, now he's trying to walk back his tweet from yesterday.


Pat Leonard is the NYG (of the moment) of journalism
You’ve all asked  
Biteymax22 : 1/28/2022 6:36 pm : link
For years to have a GM and HC that are on the same timeline, coordinated and working together. Well, we go it!

Lets just hope BBI was right this whole time.
RE: please indulge me  
NYDCBlue : 1/28/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15580789 NYDCBlue said:
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What are the terms of the new Rooney rule?

I've read around here mention of two in person interviews from candidates outside of the organization being required.

If so, was this a real interview process? Other than Patrick Graham, we did not interview anyone aside from Daboll and the two required minority candidates in Frazier and Flores...



Ugh
I forgot about the Dallas DC....
Hopefully our last new coach and GM for awhile.  
bceagle05 : 1/28/2022 6:37 pm : link
Let’s turn this shit around.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:38 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
The Giants have indeed offered their head coaching job to Bills OC Brian Daboll, according to a source. As @RapSheet said, they're working on a deal. Could be finalized soon. But he's their guy.
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I am Ninja : 1/28/2022 6:38 pm : link
Congrats to him. Lets get Leslie Fraziers weak ass off the front page.
RE: You’ve all asked  
AcesUp : 1/28/2022 6:39 pm : link
In comment 15580798 Biteymax22 said:
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For years to have a GM and HC that are on the same timeline, coordinated and working together. Well, we go it!

Lets just hope BBI was right this whole time.


I think the benefit of this is the floor not the ceiling. If it isn’t working out it makes things easier to hold both accountable at the same time so you don’t make the same mistake you did with Gettleman/Judge.
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Go Terps : 1/28/2022 6:39 pm : link
I'm glad Schoen is getting his guy. Good first step.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:39 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
There was never much doubt about this from the start. Even though John Mara didn't want a "package deal" everyone knew that new Giants GM Joe Schoen wanted Brian Daboll as his coach.

And Daboll wanted the Giants. He had interest in Miami, but preferred New York, per a source.
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Route 9 : 1/28/2022 6:39 pm : link
OK
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:39 pm : link
Paul Schwartz

@NYPost_Schwartz
Confirmed: The Giants will hire Brian Daboll as their new head coach.
They spoke of "collaboration'' and new GM said he and the new coach must be in "lockstep.''
Daboll is that guy.
Will be interesting to see how his staff rounds out  
Boatie Warrant : 1/28/2022 6:39 pm : link
God I hope 4th times the charm
Bill Parcells said  
Vanzetti : 1/28/2022 6:40 pm : link
the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
RE: ...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/28/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15580807 Eric from BBI said:
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
There was never much doubt about this from the start. Even though John Mara didn't want a "package deal" everyone knew that new Giants GM Joe Schoen wanted Brian Daboll as his coach.

And Daboll wanted the Giants. He had interest in Miami, but preferred New York, per a source.


I feel bad for the guys who got phony interviews. But the GM does deserve to pick his guy and go down swinging with his people (unlike the Garrett fiasco).
RE: Bill Parcells said  
Producer : 1/28/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo


You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
Now let’s  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 6:43 pm : link
Get him a QB whether this year or next.
I wanted Daboll  
NY-Fan : 1/28/2022 6:44 pm : link
I thought Flores did an decent job with Miami but I never thought he was anything great. The rumors of his wanting it his way and lack of communication I did believe and wanted no part of that here. The Giants needed an offensive minded HC that would have a good relationship with GM.

Daboll being a first time HC does not worry me. Every good coach at some point was a first time head coach. I do feel that he will be able to get the best out of Jones. Jones doesnt have the same arm strength as Allen but he has good size, can move with his feet and put it where it needs to be. Hopefully he won’t have to think as much and can just go out and play ball. I felt like he did more of that his rookie year then the past 2 in Garret’s offense.

Now Daboll needs to hire some coaches with NFL experience. The OC and DC will be important. I also hope Shoen hires an assistant GM as well.
RE: Bill Parcells said  
RCPhoenix : 1/28/2022 6:44 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo


Shurmur was a HC with the Browns.
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Gatorade Dunk : 1/28/2022 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15580759 adamg said:
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You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?
Having a GM and head coach on the same page  
RCPhoenix : 1/28/2022 6:45 pm : link
Is a big deal and hasn’t been the case here for a long time
Giants actions need to stop being informed by history  
Go Terps : 1/28/2022 6:46 pm : link
And start being informed by leaguewide best practices.

The NFL is about scouting points through the passing game. Daboll hopefully continues to apply the same offensive style in NY that he did in Buffalo: play action, pre-snap motion, early down aggressiveness, etc.
If Mara wanted Flores  
kdog77 : 1/28/2022 6:47 pm : link
and let Schoen pick Daboll, then maybe there is hope for the franchise turning it around.
I give him 2 years  
malslayer : 1/28/2022 6:47 pm : link
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I thought Flores was the wiser choice  
Football Giants : 1/28/2022 6:47 pm : link
But Schoen must really believe in Daboll. I hope I'm proven wrong
So does this mean Schoen isn't a pushover  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/28/2022 6:47 pm : link
?
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adamg : 1/28/2022 6:48 pm : link
In comment 15580820 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15580759 adamg said:


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You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?


Just because I disagreed with you, I'm a troll now? Fuck off.
I wanted Flores  
adamg : 1/28/2022 6:49 pm : link
Can you grasp that?
Shoen and Daboll combo  
EJNNJ : 1/28/2022 6:49 pm : link
Should make for a better partnership in talent eval and draft strategy/needs, which has been a massive problem for us and a reason why the roster is where it is.
RE: I give him 2 years  
RCPhoenix : 1/28/2022 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15580827 malslayer said:
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Not unless he goes on 11 minute rants and QB sneaks inside his own 20
RE: Bill Parcells said  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo


Fassell made a super bowl. Coughlin and Parcells are not the only coaches in 50 years to have success.
I really like this hire  
UberAlias : 1/28/2022 6:50 pm : link
It’s a good outcome despite all the moaning about things that never happened. I’d be nice to get a short break from the conspiracy rabbling, at least until DJ is named starting QB, lol.
RE: Bill Parcells said  
Simms11 : 1/28/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo


I think Fassel was also a pretty successful Giant HC.
I hope they made sure to measure his neck size first!  
Strahan91 : 1/28/2022 6:51 pm : link
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bluefin : 1/28/2022 6:52 pm : link
No perfect choices  
Bill in UT : 1/28/2022 6:53 pm : link
But Schoen should be allow to sink or swim with his guy. Let's hope he's up to the job. Looking forward to the coordinator choices and possible asst. GM? Maybe Chris in that role :)
It's been a pretty predictable...  
bw in dc : 1/28/2022 6:53 pm : link
process so far. But Schoen and Daboll have been bandied about here since, probably, November.

At least Daboll: (1) is, seemingly, the choice of Schoen and (2) offense is his specialty. Those are two plusses.

I really can't wait to hear what Daboll says about Jones.

RE: I wanted Flores  
BigBlueShock : 1/28/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15580831 adamg said:
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Can you grasp that?

More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.
RE: RE: I wanted Flores  
adamg : 1/28/2022 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15580842 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15580831 adamg said:


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Can you grasp that?


More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.


People hated Coughlin too.
Mara's comments about the Giants failing Daniel Jones the last few  
GFAN52 : 1/28/2022 6:54 pm : link
years was conformation Daboll was the choice once Schoen was hired. Need a good DC and start drafting the right players.
It's official  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:55 pm : link
New York Giants

@Giants
Got our guy.
I am fine with this.  
St. Jimmy : 1/28/2022 6:55 pm : link
Hopefully they are right.
Very glad that Schoen got his guy as the HC  
Rick in Dallas : 1/28/2022 6:56 pm : link
John Mara needs to step back and let Schoen make the appropriate changes now in the personnel and scouting depts.
I hope Daboll can get Dorsey as his OC and Martindale as his DC.
For the first time in a long time I feel excited about the direction of the Giants.
Glad coach has been selected and our GM got the guy HE wanted  
ZogZerg : 1/28/2022 6:57 pm : link
Looking forward to seeing the staff picked around him.

RE: Giants actions need to stop being informed by history  
Chris684 : 1/28/2022 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15580822 Go Terps said:
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And start being informed by leaguewide best practices.

The NFL is about scouting points through the passing game. Daboll hopefully continues to apply the same offensive style in NY that he did in Buffalo: play action, pre-snap motion, early down aggressiveness, etc.


A best practice would be to get a QB of Allen’s quality.

Not sure what else moves the needle in this league.
Link to Press Release with quotes  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 6:57 pm : link
from ownership and Daboll
Giants hire Brian Daboll as head coach - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: I wanted Flores  
BigBlueShock : 1/28/2022 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15580848 adamg said:
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In comment 15580842 BigBlueShock said:


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In comment 15580831 adamg said:


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Can you grasp that?


More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.



People hated Coughlin too.

Bullshit. Some of the players did because he was hard on them but I’ve never heard anything of the sort in regards to his coaching staff or the front office.
Schoen + Daboll  
Producer : 1/28/2022 7:00 pm : link
is reason for optimism.

I'll be curious to hear what BD says about QB situation.
Agreeableness isn't an exact indicator of being a successful coach is  
adamg : 1/28/2022 7:00 pm : link
the point. Give me the guy who wins games. Who cares how nice he is?
RE: Bill Parcells said  
LS : 1/28/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo


I noticed that 3 out of 4 teams playing this weekend have first time head coaches? I guess it works.
There is the word collaboration again...  
Chef : 1/28/2022 7:01 pm : link
""Thank you to Joe Schoen for believing in me and to John Mara and Steve Tisch and their families for entrusting me with this position. My immediate goal is to assemble a coaching staff – a strong staff that emphasizes teaching and collaboration and making sure our players are put in the position to be their best and, ultimately, to win games. "
Fassel had prior HC experience  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/28/2022 7:01 pm : link
Time to press forward. I hope he does a better job with the running game. Big thing for HC’s is taking a meaningful step year 1 to 2. For now we need to hear great news on the DC and OL coach.

RE: Bill Parcells said  
Snablats : 1/28/2022 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo

Parcells went 3-12-1 in his first year with the Giants, so how much did that stint at Air Force help him?
RE: RE: Bill Parcells said  
Vanzetti : 1/28/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15580816 Producer said:
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In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:


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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo



You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?


Yes, Im basing my argument on just the Giants. Because the Maras are still the ones picking the coach. And we all know Parcells never would have been picked if Rozelle did not foist George Young on the Maras. So really TC is the only winner they have ever picked.
RE: I wanted Flores  
Del Shofner : 1/28/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15580831 adamg said:
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Can you grasp that?


There was a lot to like about Flores too. I would have been OK with him too. I wonder if he's a lock to get hired as a HC. If not, would love to see him as the Giants' DC. But that's probably a pipe dream.
RE: Agreeableness isn't an exact indicator of being a successful coach is  
BigBlueShock : 1/28/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15580867 adamg said:
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the point. Give me the guy who wins games. Who cares how nice he is?

Having terrible relationships with both the coaching staff and the front office is your idea of “agreeableness”? Haha, yeah ok. That’s just not sustainable if there is any hope for success. You act like he won 3 Super Bowls. He did a decent job but ended up getting shit canned because nobody could get along with him. How the hell are you supposed win consistently in that kind of environment?
Flores  
Hilary : 1/28/2022 7:05 pm : link
Anyone who wanted Flores needs to read the Paul Schwartz article in Professor Falken post. Being a coach is about treating people fairly. Flores gets an F- for the way he treated coach Flaherty.
I much preferred Flores  
Mike from SI : 1/28/2022 7:05 pm : link
and think we're going to regret this. Hope that I'm very wrong. (I do hope Flores finds immense success elsewhere, but obviously now I want Daboll to become the best coach ever.)
Lots of smoke about Daboll not being the guy,  
morrison40 : 1/28/2022 7:06 pm : link
Like Schoen, 1st interviewed, 1st hired. Even Bob Papa was blowing smoke this am with Weis. Weis asked him who ?, and he hesitated a bit and said Daboll to Miami, so its Flores. Didn’t believe him for a second!
Let's have a fun offense please  
Producer : 1/28/2022 7:07 pm : link
and not play down to the limitations of our players.
RE: Bill Parcells said  
Beer Man : 1/28/2022 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
Actually, the only Head Coaching experience Parcells had before taking the reigns for the Giants was one year at the Air Force Academy, but none at the NFL level
Not really a fan of the approach this off season  
ghost718 : 1/28/2022 7:09 pm : link
But hopefully something good comes out of this,maybe for Jones or the defense.Dependent upon on who they bring in.
Good  
Thegratefulhead : 1/28/2022 7:10 pm : link
Wanted a proven HC but this checks a number of boxes including the GM got his guy. Shoen/Daboll know each other, should work collaboratively.

Don't be an asshole about this if you didn't get your guy, neither did Mara.
Looks like...  
bw in dc : 1/28/2022 7:11 pm : link
we're now the New York Football Bills with the addition of Dorsey, too.

Is there any way now, we can trade both #1s this, next year, and the year after, plus Jones, for Allen? ;)
Worth noting...  
Go Terps : 1/28/2022 7:12 pm : link
3 of the 4 coaches coaching this weekend are on their first head coach jobs after being hired as "hot" offensive coordinators. The fourth (Andy Reid) never even had the offensive coordinator title before being hired as Philly's head coach.

Good coaches have to start somewhere.
Another HC with Belichick/Saban experience  
Sean : 1/28/2022 7:12 pm : link
Daboll made his own mark though and shook free from Belichick.

Imagine being Joe Judge right now, he wanted Daboll as his OC.
He's Gonna Need  
Piranah In NC : 1/28/2022 7:12 pm : link
A Good Bottle of Tums.
RE: Bill Parcells said  
Beer Man : 1/28/2022 7:13 pm : link
In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
The ones they let get away are the bigger disappointments (Lombardi, Laundry, Baby Bill, Peyton)
Actually,  
Go Terps : 1/28/2022 7:13 pm : link
Zac Taylor was a QB coach when he became had coach.
The story shouldn’t be about Jones  
Sean : 1/28/2022 7:16 pm : link
It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
RE: Looks like...  
Matt in SGS : 1/28/2022 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15580905 bw in dc said:
Quote:
we're now the New York Football Bills with the addition of Dorsey, too.

Is there any way now, we can trade both #1s this, next year, and the year after, plus Jones, for Allen? ;)


BW, we need to go with the New Jersey Bills if we are going to stick the way it was called in 1993 ;)
I'm curious if the Wink rumors  
Matt in SGS : 1/28/2022 7:17 pm : link
will end up being true too.
As expected,  
section125 : 1/28/2022 7:18 pm : link
half of BBI bitching about the hire...
RE: The story shouldn’t be about Jones  
bw in dc : 1/28/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15580924 Sean said:
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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.


Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
RE: Worth noting...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/28/2022 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15580908 Go Terps said:
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3 of the 4 coaches coaching this weekend are on their first head coach jobs after being hired as "hot" offensive coordinators. The fourth (Andy Reid) never even had the offensive coordinator title before being hired as Philly's head coach.

Good coaches have to start somewhere.


The chances of Daboll being the next Sean McVay are infinitesimal. Shanahan had a much better resume and Zac Taylor sucked before Joe Burrow fell in his lap.

The player personnel in this situation will be everything.
BD is a good hire.  
Alamo : 1/28/2022 7:22 pm : link
Especially since he is offensive minded..And that means to me he's going to draft 2 Hog Mollies for the
O LINE,out of the 1st 3 picks in the draft..And give is new DC his edge guy..And it wouldn't surprise me that the 3rd round pick is a WR who can stay hopefully healthy all season..
May  
Les in TO : 1/28/2022 7:24 pm : link
This be the start of a successful new era of Giants football. Good luck coach Daboll!!
Ok what’s…  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2022 7:25 pm : link
our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?
RE: RE: The story shouldn’t be about Jones  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2022 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15580938 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15580924 Sean said:


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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.



Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.


Ah, we found our conspiracy theory. That was an obvious one…
RE: Ok what’s…  
Matt in SGS : 1/28/2022 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15580970 Chris in Philly said:
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our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?


I don't think the Giants have ever had a bald head coach. He's going to have to wear Ernie's rug to make Mara feel more comfortable around him.
RE: RE: Bill Parcells said  
NYDCBlue : 1/28/2022 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15580816 Producer said:
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In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:


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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo



You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?


I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...

You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!
I wanted Flores but am all in on Schoen. I think he’s a smart hire  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/28/2022 7:32 pm : link
None of us know how this is going to go for sure. We’ll know soon enough.

Schoen wants this guy, good enough for me.

Go Giants!
Did  
Shady Lurker : 1/28/2022 7:32 pm : link
anyone else go through a roller coaster looking at his 100 pictures on the giants.com story?

I started from the end and was like, "Wow, he used to be in really good shape!"

10 pictures later. "And here's where he gets fat."

10 pictures later. "Oh shit, he got in shape again! Get it Daboll!"

10 pictures later. "And fat again."

10 pictures later. "Oh damn, he pulled it together again!"

Then comes the Buffalo era. "Just fat and fatter."

I'm looking forward to the next step in the journey
….  
ryanmkeane : 1/28/2022 7:33 pm : link
Let’s fucking go. Get this offense in order
RE: RE: RE: Bill Parcells said  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/28/2022 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15580982 NYDCBlue said:
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In comment 15580816 Producer said:


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In comment 15580812 Vanzetti said:


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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo



You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?



I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...

You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!

HQ?
who knows  
bluepepper : 1/28/2022 7:34 pm : link
how it's going to work out but love that we have a GM-Coach who know and respect each other from a previous gig. I think we are on the right track after several years of being lost.
Is Daboll hired?  
US1 Giants : 1/28/2022 7:35 pm : link
or the Giants are working to hire him? If still working on it, we shouldn't take it as fact yet.
RE: RE: The story shouldn’t be about Jones  
LS : 1/28/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15580938 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15580924 Sean said:


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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.



Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.


What QB would you use? Remember you have no money, and you need your draft picks to rebuild the roster. Plus Jones has little value right now.
Tom Rock  
Ira : 1/28/2022 7:36 pm : link
@TomRock_Newsday
Steve Tisch: "It was obvious Brian has spent his career preparing for this moment. He is creative, thoughtful, determined. Joe & Brian are the perfect complement to each other. We will do everything we can to support their process as they build toward '22 season and after that."
RE: Is Daboll hired?  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/28/2022 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15581020 US1 Giants said:
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or the Giants are working to hire him? If still working on it, we shouldn't take it as fact yet.


Giants announced it. Done deal.
I think they they got this right.  
Kev in Cali : 1/28/2022 7:38 pm : link
The Bills connection/alignment seems ripe to work out well.

GO GIANTS!!!!
Mc a doodoo  
malslayer : 1/28/2022 7:41 pm : link
Part 2
RE: Is Daboll hired?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15581020 US1 Giants said:
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or the Giants are working to hire him? If still working on it, we shouldn't take it as fact yet.


See the front page.
I want this to work  
greatgrandpa : 1/28/2022 7:44 pm : link
I really hope it does and will support the new team. But something inside says Mara wanted this result from the beginning and I get a sick feeling when I think of his hands on any decision.
Good Hire  
kelly : 1/28/2022 7:45 pm : link
I think we did well with the hire of Schoen and Daboll. Of course no one can be sure until we start seeing some positive results.

Flores will need to get as a DC and establish he can work with people. The GM and HC need to be aligned and that has been a problem with the Giants going back to Reese.

Good  
AcidTest : 1/28/2022 7:45 pm : link
hire. We had plenty of excellent choices. I agree that Schoen should have his guy as coach. Let's go.
I like it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/28/2022 7:47 pm : link
Don’t feel too crazy about it either way. The whole situation with Judge made me realize I shouldn’t fall in love with quotes and anecdotes and other BS before I see the coaches actual performance.

We’ll see how he does, I do have concerns about how much of his success was due to Allen’s massive talent but maybe he was a big reason for Allen becoming what he is now. Who knows.

I’m excited about the direction of the franchise. Hopefully we are able to get back on track and start winning again.
RE: RE: The story shouldn’t be about Jones  
mikeinbloomfield : 1/28/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15580938 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15580924 Sean said:


Quote:


It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.



Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.


Yes, I’m guessing it’s likely the owners of a billion dollar franchise hired their new GM and HC based on whether they’d keep one player who will be a free agent next year if they don’t pick up his option, because — loyalty?

I am sure everyone wants Daniel Jones to succeed. That makes things a lot easier. But if he’s not the guy, the new GM is tasked with finding the guy. That’s his job. But no one is tasked with keeping Jones at cost to the team. Come on.
.  
Ira : 1/28/2022 7:48 pm : link

Tom Coughlin Jay Fund
@tcjayfund
Welcome to New York, Coach Daboll!
I just hope he knows what a  
mfsd : 1/28/2022 7:49 pm : link
tailor is
excited to see what he can do with  
prdave73 : 1/28/2022 7:51 pm : link
Daniel Jones.. Can't wait.
like all of us i hope for the best  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 7:52 pm : link
hope i'm wrong but this hire feels a lot like McAdoo and Shurmur. in a year where there were numerous candidates available who had successes as head coaches before it's a letdown to be playing coordinator roulette again.

Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.
RE: I give him 2 years  
cjac : 1/28/2022 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15580827 malslayer said:
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Hahahaha. Bravo sir. That made me laugh
RE: excited to see what he can do with  
LS : 1/28/2022 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15581097 prdave73 said:
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Daniel Jones.. Can't wait.


This. Daniel Jones had the same or better numbers his first 2 years in the league than Josh Allen did his first 2 years.
Pat Traina's on board  
Ira : 1/28/2022 7:59 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
RE: like all of us i hope for the best  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15581102 Eric on Li said:
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hope i'm wrong but this hire feels a lot like McAdoo and Shurmur. in a year where there were numerous candidates available who had successes as head coaches before it's a letdown to be playing coordinator roulette again.

Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.


Here's one thing to consider. It wasn't John Mara who picked him. Mara picked the last two. I'd be in line with your thinking if it was the same guy making the choice.
Daboll it is  
dpinzow : 1/28/2022 8:02 pm : link
I made a prediction of Schoen/Daboll/Willis a couple of weeks ago. Two down, one to go?
He’s got kind of  
SomeFan : 1/28/2022 8:03 pm : link
a George R R Martin vibe with him.
Good luck  
darren in pdx : 1/28/2022 8:06 pm : link
to Schoen and Daboll. I hope that they are able to make this team competitive and fun to watch again. Next season is going to be rough, but hoping for a functioning offense, even if it'll take a bit to build it up.
Not getting emotionally invested this time  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/28/2022 8:09 pm : link
Sorry...not Daboll's fault but numbed from the previous staffs
Very happy about this  
cosmicj : 1/28/2022 8:12 pm : link
Schoen and Daboll were part of a team that just transformed a bottom rung franchise. Perfect experience for them to do the same here.

I also think Daboll’s resume is just so much stronger than McAdoo and Judge, and better than Shurmur given his unsuccessful Cleveland stint. He’s just a much stronger candidate.

Let’s go.
We can officially change our names  
Spiciest Memelord : 1/28/2022 8:13 pm : link
to the Josh Allen Waterboys.
RE: Kidnap Dorsey throw him in the  
KeoweeFan : 1/28/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15580796 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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trunk and get him the hell over here!

After 35 years in Rochester, I was pulling for the Bills*. But even during the game I felt the consolation prize was getting Daboll earlier if he was selected HC.

*Stayed faithful to the NYG as my #1 team; WHAM used to carry Giant games and I'd listen in the UofR computer lab while punching IBM cards on Sundays, the only available time from the University - and I had a full time day job to boot.
RE: RE: like all of us i hope for the best  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 8:18 pm : link
In comment 15581130 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15581102 Eric on Li said:


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hope i'm wrong but this hire feels a lot like McAdoo and Shurmur. in a year where there were numerous candidates available who had successes as head coaches before it's a letdown to be playing coordinator roulette again.

Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.



Here's one thing to consider. It wasn't John Mara who picked him. Mara picked the last two. I'd be in line with your thinking if it was the same guy making the choice.


John Mara doesn't pick the 8 or 9 in every 10 new coordinators who fail as HCs in other organizations.

Schoen and Daboll, not unlike Judge, may be a very bright guys who simply don't know what they don't know because they have never done it.

I know this is unorthodox with respect to "the right way", but i believe there's a good reason coaches make 2-3x what GM's make. they are more important and harder to find. I'd have hired 1 of the experienced head coaches (likely Harbough or Flores) and let them pick a GM they can work with. It's a lot easier to find people who can do a good job scouting players than head coaches who can win football games. That's basically what Oakland and KC did with Gruden and Reid. Ron Rivera and Pete Carroll also got hired with say over the GM. There aren't too many examples because there are rarely experienced head coaches available so most of the time that's not an option but since it was this time I think i'd have preferred going that route after the other didnt work 3x in a row.

i hope we got the next mcvay or staley but that's a bet with long odds. maybe the law of averages finally goes in our favor.
If nothing else, Daboll is VASTLY more experienced  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 8:30 pm : link
than Judge.

Look, this could fail. But it does also work.

Andy Reid was a rookie Head Coach who had never done anything but coach offensive line.

McVay was named a head coach at 30 years old which was wildly unprecedented. Never a head coach.

McDermott for Buffalo was a rookie head coach
Sean Payton, rookie head coach.
Mike Tomlin, rookie head coach.
Kyle Shanahan, rookie head coach
Mike Vrabel, rookie head coach

None of these men had ever been a head coach before at any level.


Also something  
darren in pdx : 1/28/2022 8:36 pm : link
to put in perspective..only a few weeks ago most of us were resigned to the fact that the Giants would be going into next season with Judge/Abrahams as the HC/GM combo..
I agree the HC is the more important  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/28/2022 8:37 pm : link
aspect but that can be a crapshoot. Many win games but they shrivel come playoff.

I think the biggest problem has been talent for a decade. In this case the GM was the more important role to upgrade processes and start drafting better. Even if Daboll does not work out you can correct things easier if JS does his job imv. All our recent coaches and TC’s were all impacted by the roster especially the OL.

My only worry is I don’t want to be pass happy and I want a really good defense. Since I’ve been a fan the NFC East had been won by the most physical team and that wins in the playoffs as well.
RE: Did  
KeoweeFan : 1/28/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15581001 Shady Lurker said:
Quote:
anyone else go through a roller coaster looking at his 100 pictures on the giants.com story?

I started from the end and was like, "Wow, he used to be in really good shape!"

10 pictures later. "And here's where he gets fat."

10 pictures later. "Oh shit, he got in shape again! Get it Daboll!"

10 pictures later. "And fat again."

10 pictures later. "Oh damn, he pulled it together again!"

Then comes the Buffalo era. "Just fat and fatter."

I'm looking forward to the next step in the journey


Brian has to be great - he coached up Bret Farve! (j/k)
RE: He’s got kind of  
Chris in Philly : 1/28/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15581137 SomeFan said:
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a George R R Martin vibe with him.


Oh great. He’ll never finish the playbook.
RE: If nothing else, Daboll is VASTLY more experienced  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15581211 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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than Judge.

Look, this could fail. But it does also work.

Andy Reid was a rookie Head Coach who had never done anything but coach offensive line.

McVay was named a head coach at 30 years old which was wildly unprecedented. Never a head coach.

McDermott for Buffalo was a rookie head coach
Sean Payton, rookie head coach.
Mike Tomlin, rookie head coach.
Kyle Shanahan, rookie head coach
Mike Vrabel, rookie head coach

None of these men had ever been a head coach before at any level.



Everyone is a rookie at some point. Daboll is slightly more experienced than Judge but from the same background. Shurmur was more experienced than both. McAdoo a hybrid of all 3. none are outliers to the failure rate of NFL coordinators.

Bottomline is this time unlike most other years they had several to choose from who weren't rookies. Jim Harbough has a near .700 winning% in the NFL and was rumored to be interested in the job. Flores has just 5 less wins than Buffalo (whose HC was also a defensive coach by expertise) the last 2 years with Tua/Fitz/Brissett not Josh Allen. Pederson won a SB with Nick Foles. How thrilled would we be to get to see a team get to another SB even if they choke it away like Quinn did?

I really do hope Daboll is the next Shanahan/McVay but there was a higher % play available.
GM v HC - who’s more important  
cosmicj : 1/28/2022 8:42 pm : link
Most of the time, I agree it’s the HC, but the Giants talent base is so depleted, I’d argue this is an exception and Schoen is the key hire.
RE: I like it  
KeoweeFan : 1/28/2022 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15581077 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Don’t feel too crazy about it either way. The whole situation with Judge made me realize I shouldn’t fall in love with quotes and anecdotes and other BS before I see the coaches actual performance.

We’ll see how he does, I do have concerns about how much of his success was due to Allen’s massive talent but maybe he was a big reason for Allen becoming what he is now. Who knows.

I’m excited about the direction of the franchise. Hopefully we are able to get back on track and start winning again.

I'm with you.
The last 3 coaches talked the Packers philosophy (of a decade ago) of developing from within, using the PS as an integral part of that system, high character etc in a learning/teaching environment. I even liked JJ's the search for teachers as coaches. I bought it all; hook, line and sinker.
I won't doubt Brian, but I will wait a while afore I jump on the band wagon.
They made the right move.  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 8:46 pm : link
An experienced head coach doesn’t guarantee anything.

At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/28/2022 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15580830 adamg said:
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In comment 15580820 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 15580759 adamg said:


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You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?



Just because I disagreed with you, I'm a troll now? Fuck off.

Wait, all of your posts for the past week have been sincere?!
RE: GM v HC - who’s more important  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15581242 cosmicj said:
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Most of the time, I agree it’s the HC, but the Giants talent base is so depleted, I’d argue this is an exception and Schoen is the key hire.


where was the Jets talent base pre-Parcells?
or I suppose more relevant to this search, the Dolphins in 2019 after trading Tunsil/Fitzpatrick?
or the Niners pre-harbough when they hadn't had a winning season in a decade?

head coaches are the most important person in every nfl org.
RE: RE: Kidnap Dorsey throw him in the  
dancing blue bear : 1/28/2022 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15581186 KeoweeFan said:
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In comment 15580796 Tittle 9 20 64 said:


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trunk and get him the hell over here!


After 35 years in Rochester, I was pulling for the Bills*. But even during the game I felt the consolation prize was getting Daboll earlier if he was selected HC.

*Stayed faithful to the NYG as my #1 team; WHAM used to carry Giant games and I'd listen in the UofR computer lab while punching IBM cards on Sundays, the only available time from the University - and I had a full time day job to boot.


are you a U of R alum? So is our new coach. Meliora, bitches!
Every head coach is a rookie  
Ceez2.0 : 1/28/2022 8:51 pm : link
head coach until he gets his first shot. Gotta give people a chance, let’s hope after 3 strike outs we finally found our guy.
RE: They made the right move.  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15581253 ajr2456 said:
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An experienced head coach doesn’t guarantee anything.

At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.


there are no guarantees you will win if you walk into a casino but there are games you can play that will give you better odds of winning than others. a poker player walking into poker room where they've won money before is better odds than someone walking up to a game they've never played before, even if it's similar to one they have.
RE: Every head coach is a rookie  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15581264 Ceez2.0 said:
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head coach until he gets his first shot. Gotta give people a chance, let’s hope after 3 strike outs we finally found our guy.


we are certainly doing our part to give people chances.
The Jets had talent  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/28/2022 8:56 pm : link
and there was no HC available anywhere close to him. If Mara had the opportunity to hire BB or BP type, I think he says “Please fix the franchise.” Then he asks, “Is it ok if I watch practice?” Let’s get some stability in the FO and address the drafting.
Eric  
cosmicj : 1/28/2022 9:00 pm : link
Well, Miami just fired Flores despite his very credible coaching, so maybe it would have been better for them to hire the right GM - who would have drafted Herbert.

If our new GM fails to upgrade the Giants talent, almost every coach will fail here. But the reverse? If Daboll fails but Schoen is starting to build a talented team, in 2025 or 2026 when they would to find a new coach, the team would be poised for excellence and the coaching vacancy would be very desirable.

So most of the time, I agree with you, but this is an exception.
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
adamg : 1/28/2022 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15581256 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 15580830 adamg said:


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In comment 15580820 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 15580759 adamg said:


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You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?



Just because I disagreed with you, I'm a troll now? Fuck off.


Wait, all of your posts for the past week have been sincere?!


Am I bothering you? You and Producer have a thing going on?
RE: RE: They made the right move.  
ajr2456 : 1/28/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15581272 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15581253 ajr2456 said:


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An experienced head coach doesn’t guarantee anything.

At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.



there are no guarantees you will win if you walk into a casino but there are games you can play that will give you better odds of winning than others. a poker player walking into poker room where they've won money before is better odds than someone walking up to a game they've never played before, even if it's similar to one they have.


Is Harbaugh leaving a cushy job at Michigan to rebuild the Giants? Besides Flores who is still pretty inexperienced, what other experienced head coach did you want?
Daboll is a very experienced coordinator and what’s more  
cosmicj : 1/28/2022 9:09 pm : link
His Buffalo experience is directly relevant to his new job here.
Harbaugh was clearly listening to the point of telling recruits  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 9:21 pm : link
aside from him I'd have talked to Flores, Quinn, and Pederson.

All 4 of those guys individually have more winning seasons than the Giants org since the last SB, some in only a handful of seasons coached in that specific period of time.

I'm not anti-Daboll but I find it hard to believe independent of a relationship with Schoen he'd have beat out all 4 despite their edge in experience.
Well I wanted Quinn but Daboll is here  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/28/2022 9:30 pm : link
Good luck Brian!
cosmic  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15581281 cosmicj said:
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Well, Miami just fired Flores despite his very credible coaching, so maybe it would have been better for them to hire the right GM - who would have drafted Herbert.

If our new GM fails to upgrade the Giants talent, almost every coach will fail here. But the reverse? If Daboll fails but Schoen is starting to build a talented team, in 2025 or 2026 when they would to find a new coach, the team would be poised for excellence and the coaching vacancy would be very desirable.

So most of the time, I agree with you, but this is an exception.


Grier was the one who hired flores and up until the moment flores got fired was thought to be his best achievement.

sorry but with certain team sports - the NFL and NHL - we've seen it too many times where the same rosters produce very different outcomes one season to the next with different coaching. The Rangers and Islanders are both recent examples. The Jets with Parcells. The Raiders went through how many coaches in between Gruden and almost all of them finished last. The Bucs had been in last place 7 of 8 years before Arians - Jason Licht as GM almost the entire time. And even before Brady got there Arians made them better right away. Without Arians they probably don't get Brady.

Harbough's rumored interest was the unicorn in this situation, and though I can acknowledge he may not be the right personality for every situation there were enough others with experience I'd have stayed in that aisle.
I'll be honest...  
thedogfather : 1/28/2022 9:43 pm : link
Having a rookie GM and HC makes me nervous. I would have much rather have an experienced duo but whatever. This particular job is going to be super tough. We are in cap hell and don't have much talent. Both lines need to be rebuilt and we will need a new QB as I don't think Jones is it (style of play, durability, overall skillset). This will take 3 seasons at least. Best of luck to Daboll. He'll need it.
Dogfather  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/28/2022 9:52 pm : link
Many share your viewpoint. I was in on Flores. I’ll fell better if Daboll adds a good OL coach and DC. I’d pay Fangio.
RE: RE: If nothing else, Daboll is VASTLY more experienced  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15581238 Eric on Li said:
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Daboll is slightly more experienced than Judge



That's quite an understatement.

Joe Judge coached Special teams for 4 years
WR coach for 1 year.

Daboll paid his dues.
4 years WR coach
2 years QB coach
8 years Offensive Coordinator
3 years TE coach
another 1 year running offense in college (and a great one).

But just as much as the years is the exposure to multiple head coaches, styles and methods.

It's not close.

Again, it could fail as much as any other coach, but definitely not because Daboll is a wannabe Belichick robot or a guy who's never been in the trenches. He's done a lot of coaching.
RE: RE: The story shouldn’t be about Jones  
joeinpa : 1/28/2022 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15580938 bw in dc said:
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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.



Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.


Holy cow, talk about stubborn. Mara has done everything many said he would not do. Now the narrative is they must have agreed to keep Jones! Hahaha, that s unbelievable, even for you.
Hoping for the best...  
The Mike : 1/28/2022 10:19 pm : link
But feels a lot like Handley, McAdoo and Judge learning how to be an NFL head coach for the first time in this little town they call New York. The Giants need a leader of men. They don't need smartest guy in the room gurus. Anybody can coach Josh Allen and be successful. If this thinking is based on the preordained notion that Daniel Jones just needs a good coach to be successful, then we are at least three years away from rock bottom. Good stuff. Keep truckin'. Yay.

What was that definition of insanity again? I thought it had something to do with making the same mistake over and over again and expecting different results. But now I can clearly see that I have been mistaken. It's simply being a Giants fan.

Nuff said. Hope I'm wrong. Fairly certain I'm not.

RE: Hoping for the best...  
jvm52106 : 1/28/2022 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15581445 The Mike said:
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But feels a lot like Handley, McAdoo and Judge learning how to be an NFL head coach for the first time in this little town they call New York. The Giants need a leader of men. They don't need smartest guy in the room gurus. Anybody can coach Josh Allen and be successful. If this thinking is based on the preordained notion that Daniel Jones just needs a good coach to be successful, then we are at least three years away from rock bottom. Good stuff. Keep truckin'. Yay.

What was that definition of insanity again? I thought it had something to do with making the same mistake over and over again and expecting different results. But now I can clearly see that I have been mistaken. It's simply being a Giants fan.

Nuff said. Hope I'm wrong. Fairly certain I'm not.


I find your take comical at best.
TTH maybe it's more than slight  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 10:45 pm : link
Judge was 38 when hired and it was the 5 seasons as a coordinator in NE that got him hired.
Daboll is 46 with 8 seasons as a coordinator but they were scatter shot until the last 4 in Buffalo which are what got him hired.

You're right that the 8 years Daboll has on Judge were years spent as an NFL assistant which are relevant, and perhaps being an offensive coordinator is also better preparation than Special Teams.

Like I said though Daboll is in some ways a hybrid of the last 3 coaches they've hired. He has the recent offensive achievement shurmur had, but with less stench of loser. He has the NE/Bama pedigree Judge had, with a little more relevant experience. And a little bit of the worry mcadoo came with of possibly having been swept up in the success of a great QB.

hey look, if he can combine the good qualities judge had with the offensive capability shurmur showed being able to get more out of less offensively then maybe they finally got it right. my point isn't anti daboll, it's pro experience since this was a rare offseason with a few experienced options and this job appeared to be the most coveted.
Alright. Lead us to respectability, Coach Daboll  
Anakim : 1/28/2022 11:20 pm : link
Hope to see you on stage hoisting that Lombardi
Good  
JonC : 1/29/2022 12:16 am : link
Schoen got his coach, onto the next.
Okay with Daboll  
giantstock : 1/29/2022 12:39 am : link
As long as Pederson was never a consideration then it's okay.

And it figures some clueless posts making this about Jones. This has no relevancy to Daboll.

good luck coach D!  
mpinmaine : 1/29/2022 2:36 am : link
I will root like hell as always
Somebody needs to make sure that his suit fits him for his first  
Waldo Jeffers : 1/29/2022 3:30 am : link
Presser.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bill Parcells said  
NYDCBlue : 1/29/2022 6:51 am : link
In comment 15581015 Gatorade Dunk said:
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force

Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience

So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo



You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?



I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...

You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!


HQ?


I don't know. I'm going to blame it on the cellphone and auto correct....
RE: There is the word collaboration again...  
johnnyb : 1/29/2022 8:57 am : link
In comment 15580870 Chef said:
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""Thank you to Joe Schoen for believing in me and to John Mara and Steve Tisch and their families for entrusting me with this position. My immediate goal is to assemble a coaching staff – a strong staff that emphasizes teaching and collaboration and making sure our players are put in the position to be their best and, ultimately, to win games. "


Joe Judge, January, 2020?
retread coaches  
fkap : 1/29/2022 9:08 am : link
are usually retreads for a reason. For every Belichick, or Pete Carrol, who learned from their mistakes the first time around, there's some who didn't.

For every unsuccessful rookie HC, there's some who succeeded.

Stop getting hung up on one way or another. What's important is the individual.
RE: I give him 2 years  
Jimmy Googs : 1/29/2022 9:43 am : link
In comment 15580827 malslayer said:
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That was funny...
RE: Ok what’s…  
Jimmy Googs : 1/29/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15580970 Chris in Philly said:
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our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?


I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.

- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope

My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.

But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...
Duggan on the Athletic  
US1 Giants : 1/29/2022 10:58 am : link
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Daboll runs a version of the Erhardt-Perkins system that is run in New England


Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Ok what’s…  
Slowasski : 1/29/2022 11:07 am : link
In comment 15581949 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15580970 Chris in Philly said:


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our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?



I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.

- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope

My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.

But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...


Already have noticed one since the Daboll hiring. Mara wanted Daboll because Daboll "loves Jones", which keeps Jones in place. Mara was going to initially force the Flores hire because of the BC connection. Once told that Daboll "loves Jones", Mara shifted to a force hire of Daboll.
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riceneggs : 1/29/2022 11:37 am : link
as others have said, this doesn't move the needle for me!

rookie GM - rookie HC - new OC - trash QB - washed RB - questionable WR corp

looks like we'll be sub 500 for the next 3-5 years

UNLESS....Deshaun Watson admits he was addicted to sex, gets some counseling and does a presser on how he wants to redefine his life...and we make the trade
It's possible Flores was lobbying for Deshaun Watson  
GeofromNJ : 1/29/2022 11:55 am : link
and Schoen and Mara thought Watson was not worth the risk given his legal troubles.
RE: It's possible Flores was lobbying for Deshaun Watson  
riceneggs : 1/29/2022 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15582119 GeofromNJ said:
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and Schoen and Mara thought Watson was not worth the risk given his legal troubles.


true, i'm sure that particular conversation came up

and it probably helped tip the scale the other way
RE: ....  
giantstock : 1/29/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15582099 riceneggs said:
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as others have said, this doesn't move the needle for me!

rookie GM - rookie HC - new OC - trash QB - washed RB - questionable WR corp

looks like we'll be sub 500 for the next 3-5 years

UNLESS....Deshaun Watson admits he was addicted to sex, gets some counseling and does a presser on how he wants to redefine his life...and we make the trade


This post is not a slam. Just wondering what your expectations are/were for the hiring instead of Daboll?

1-- You speak of sub .500 so if they stay around .500 but accomplish nothing but mediocrity, then that is okay? SO my guess is you want to see a build-up as a contender, right? Other than seeing team built to be a contender, nothing else really moves the needle, right?

2--- What were you expecting in 2022 for the Giants season? You think magically they were going to turn into a great contender?

3--- You don't want Jones-- okay. So what trade is going to make you a contender in 2022 or 2023?

4--- You are saying 3-5 years. Well what about year 3? You think we’re going to be contender in 3 years?

5—Suppose we draft one of the top QB’s available in 2023? You think we would be still headed in the wrong direction?

6-- What were you expecting for their team to be a good football team in 2 years or less?
Can Marino  
jacob12 : 1/29/2022 6:23 pm : link
Cam Marino accurately predicted Brian Daboll would be named the head coach of the Giants. Some Giant fans unfairly criticized him.

I have a friend who speaks to an NFL scout weekly. Joe Schoen was going to name Brian Daboll as the head coach. The Giants were being politically correct with Brian Flores.

Last year, many Giant fans castigated Micah Parsons and said he would be a bust. They were prescient. Scouts noted that Parsons and Odafe Oweh had changed the way edge-rushers are drafted. The NFL wants athletes with great speed and quickness. College production is less important.
RE: RE: Ok what’s…  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/29/2022 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15581949 Jimmy Googs said:
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our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?



I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.

- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope

My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.

But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...


How many of these things would have happened if Judge hadn't totally melted down over the course of two weeks and Tisch didn't put his foot down?

I don't know. Half measures could have popped up anywhere  
Jimmy Googs : 1/29/2022 6:48 pm : link
with Mara as we know.

If this rebuild is done right this time, maybe we have "Meltdown Judge" to thank...
Oh, I'm 100% convinced if  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/29/2022 6:52 pm : link
Judge doesn't have that 11 minute rambling answer in that postgame presser after Bears/QB sneaks vs. WFT...he's still the HC. Even after JJ was fired, Mara was singing his praises somewhat, in that he thought Judge could be a good HC down the road.
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