the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
I thought Flores did an decent job with Miami but I never thought he was anything great. The rumors of his wanting it his way and lack of communication I did believe and wanted no part of that here. The Giants needed an offensive minded HC that would have a good relationship with GM.
Daboll being a first time HC does not worry me. Every good coach at some point was a first time head coach. I do feel that he will be able to get the best out of Jones. Jones doesnt have the same arm strength as Allen but he has good size, can move with his feet and put it where it needs to be. Hopefully he won’t have to think as much and can just go out and play ball. I felt like he did more of that his rookie year then the past 2 in Garret’s offense.
Now Daboll needs to hire some coaches with NFL experience. The OC and DC will be important. I also hope Shoen hires an assistant GM as well.
And start being informed by leaguewide best practices.
The NFL is about scouting points through the passing game. Daboll hopefully continues to apply the same offensive style in NY that he did in Buffalo: play action, pre-snap motion, early down aggressiveness, etc.
Should make for a better partnership in talent eval and draft strategy/needs, which has been a massive problem for us and a reason why the roster is where it is.
It’s a good outcome despite all the moaning about things that never happened. I’d be nice to get a short break from the conspiracy rabbling, at least until DJ is named starting QB, lol.
But Schoen should be allow to sink or swim with his guy. Let's hope he's up to the job. Looking forward to the coordinator choices and possible asst. GM? Maybe Chris in that role :)
More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.
More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.
People hated Coughlin too.
Mara's comments about the Giants failing Daniel Jones the last few
John Mara needs to step back and let Schoen make the appropriate changes now in the personnel and scouting depts.
I hope Daboll can get Dorsey as his OC and Martindale as his DC.
For the first time in a long time I feel excited about the direction of the Giants.
Glad coach has been selected and our GM got the guy HE wanted
And start being informed by leaguewide best practices.
The NFL is about scouting points through the passing game. Daboll hopefully continues to apply the same offensive style in NY that he did in Buffalo: play action, pre-snap motion, early down aggressiveness, etc.
A best practice would be to get a QB of Allen’s quality.
Not sure what else moves the needle in this league.
More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.
People hated Coughlin too.
Bullshit. Some of the players did because he was hard on them but I’ve never heard anything of the sort in regards to his coaching staff or the front office.
""Thank you to Joe Schoen for believing in me and to John Mara and Steve Tisch and their families for entrusting me with this position. My immediate goal is to assemble a coaching staff – a strong staff that emphasizes teaching and collaboration and making sure our players are put in the position to be their best and, ultimately, to win games. "
Time to press forward. I hope he does a better job with the running game. Big thing for HC’s is taking a meaningful step year 1 to 2. For now we need to hear great news on the DC and OL coach.
the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
Yes, Im basing my argument on just the Giants. Because the Maras are still the ones picking the coach. And we all know Parcells never would have been picked if Rozelle did not foist George Young on the Maras. So really TC is the only winner they have ever picked.
There was a lot to like about Flores too. I would have been OK with him too. I wonder if he's a lock to get hired as a HC. If not, would love to see him as the Giants' DC. But that's probably a pipe dream.
RE: Agreeableness isn't an exact indicator of being a successful coach is
the point. Give me the guy who wins games. Who cares how nice he is?
Having terrible relationships with both the coaching staff and the front office is your idea of “agreeableness”? Haha, yeah ok. That’s just not sustainable if there is any hope for success. You act like he won 3 Super Bowls. He did a decent job but ended up getting shit canned because nobody could get along with him. How the hell are you supposed win consistently in that kind of environment?
Anyone who wanted Flores needs to read the Paul Schwartz article in Professor Falken post. Being a coach is about treating people fairly. Flores gets an F- for the way he treated coach Flaherty.
and think we're going to regret this. Hope that I'm very wrong. (I do hope Flores finds immense success elsewhere, but obviously now I want Daboll to become the best coach ever.)
Like Schoen, 1st interviewed, 1st hired. Even Bob Papa was blowing smoke this am with Weis. Weis asked him who ?, and he hesitated a bit and said Daboll to Miami, so its Flores. Didn’t believe him for a second!
the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
Actually, the only Head Coaching experience Parcells had before taking the reigns for the Giants was one year at the Air Force Academy, but none at the NFL level
3 of the 4 coaches coaching this weekend are on their first head coach jobs after being hired as "hot" offensive coordinators. The fourth (Andy Reid) never even had the offensive coordinator title before being hired as Philly's head coach.
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
Daboll being a first time HC does not worry me. Every good coach at some point was a first time head coach. I do feel that he will be able to get the best out of Jones. Jones doesnt have the same arm strength as Allen but he has good size, can move with his feet and put it where it needs to be. Hopefully he won’t have to think as much and can just go out and play ball. I felt like he did more of that his rookie year then the past 2 in Garret’s offense.
Now Daboll needs to hire some coaches with NFL experience. The OC and DC will be important. I also hope Shoen hires an assistant GM as well.
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
Shurmur was a HC with the Browns.
You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?
The NFL is about scouting points through the passing game. Daboll hopefully continues to apply the same offensive style in NY that he did in Buffalo: play action, pre-snap motion, early down aggressiveness, etc.
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You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?
Just because I disagreed with you, I'm a troll now? Fuck off.
Not unless he goes on 11 minute rants and QB sneaks inside his own 20
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
Fassell made a super bowl. Coughlin and Parcells are not the only coaches in 50 years to have success.
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
I think Fassel was also a pretty successful Giant HC.
At least Daboll: (1) is, seemingly, the choice of Schoen and (2) offense is his specialty. Those are two plusses.
I really can't wait to hear what Daboll says about Jones.
More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.
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Can you grasp that?
More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.
People hated Coughlin too.
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Got our guy.
I hope Daboll can get Dorsey as his OC and Martindale as his DC.
For the first time in a long time I feel excited about the direction of the Giants.
The NFL is about scouting points through the passing game. Daboll hopefully continues to apply the same offensive style in NY that he did in Buffalo: play action, pre-snap motion, early down aggressiveness, etc.
A best practice would be to get a QB of Allen’s quality.
Not sure what else moves the needle in this league.
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Can you grasp that?
More and more info is coming out that Flores had terrible relationships with bot his coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea why so many of you continue to ignore this and still wanted him.
People hated Coughlin too.
Bullshit. Some of the players did because he was hard on them but I’ve never heard anything of the sort in regards to his coaching staff or the front office.
I'll be curious to hear what BD says about QB situation.
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
I noticed that 3 out of 4 teams playing this weekend have first time head coaches? I guess it works.
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
Parcells went 3-12-1 in his first year with the Giants, so how much did that stint at Air Force help him?
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
Yes, Im basing my argument on just the Giants. Because the Maras are still the ones picking the coach. And we all know Parcells never would have been picked if Rozelle did not foist George Young on the Maras. So really TC is the only winner they have ever picked.
There was a lot to like about Flores too. I would have been OK with him too. I wonder if he's a lock to get hired as a HC. If not, would love to see him as the Giants' DC. But that's probably a pipe dream.
Having terrible relationships with both the coaching staff and the front office is your idea of “agreeableness”? Haha, yeah ok. That’s just not sustainable if there is any hope for success. You act like he won 3 Super Bowls. He did a decent job but ended up getting shit canned because nobody could get along with him. How the hell are you supposed win consistently in that kind of environment?
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
Don't be an asshole about this if you didn't get your guy, neither did Mara.
Is there any way now, we can trade both #1s this, next year, and the year after, plus Jones, for Allen? ;)
Good coaches have to start somewhere.