It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
3 of the 4 coaches coaching this weekend are on their first head coach jobs after being hired as "hot" offensive coordinators. The fourth (Andy Reid) never even had the offensive coordinator title before being hired as Philly's head coach.
Good coaches have to start somewhere.
The chances of Daboll being the next Sean McVay are infinitesimal. Shanahan had a much better resume and Zac Taylor sucked before Joe Burrow fell in his lap.
The player personnel in this situation will be everything.
Especially since he is offensive minded..And that means to me he's going to draft 2 Hog Mollies for the
O LINE,out of the 1st 3 picks in the draft..And give is new DC his edge guy..And it wouldn't surprise me that the 3rd round pick is a WR who can stay hopefully healthy all season..
It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
Ah, we found our conspiracy theory. That was an obvious one…
the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...
You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!
I wanted Flores but am all in on Schoen. I think he’s a smart hire
the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...
You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!
how it's going to work out but love that we have a GM-Coach who know and respect each other from a previous gig. I think we are on the right track after several years of being lost.
It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
What QB would you use? Remember you have no money, and you need your draft picks to rebuild the roster. Plus Jones has little value right now.
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Steve Tisch: "It was obvious Brian has spent his career preparing for this moment. He is creative, thoughtful, determined. Joe & Brian are the perfect complement to each other. We will do everything we can to support their process as they build toward '22 season and after that."
I really hope it does and will support the new team. But something inside says Mara wanted this result from the beginning and I get a sick feeling when I think of his hands on any decision.
I think we did well with the hire of Schoen and Daboll. Of course no one can be sure until we start seeing some positive results.
Flores will need to get as a DC and establish he can work with people. The GM and HC need to be aligned and that has been a problem with the Giants going back to Reese.
Don’t feel too crazy about it either way. The whole situation with Judge made me realize I shouldn’t fall in love with quotes and anecdotes and other BS before I see the coaches actual performance.
We’ll see how he does, I do have concerns about how much of his success was due to Allen’s massive talent but maybe he was a big reason for Allen becoming what he is now. Who knows.
I’m excited about the direction of the franchise. Hopefully we are able to get back on track and start winning again.
It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
Yes, I’m guessing it’s likely the owners of a billion dollar franchise hired their new GM and HC based on whether they’d keep one player who will be a free agent next year if they don’t pick up his option, because — loyalty?
I am sure everyone wants Daniel Jones to succeed. That makes things a lot easier. But if he’s not the guy, the new GM is tasked with finding the guy. That’s his job. But no one is tasked with keeping Jones at cost to the team. Come on.
hope i'm wrong but this hire feels a lot like McAdoo and Shurmur. in a year where there were numerous candidates available who had successes as head coaches before it's a letdown to be playing coordinator roulette again.
hope i'm wrong but this hire feels a lot like McAdoo and Shurmur. in a year where there were numerous candidates available who had successes as head coaches before it's a letdown to be playing coordinator roulette again.
Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.
Here's one thing to consider. It wasn't John Mara who picked him. Mara picked the last two. I'd be in line with your thinking if it was the same guy making the choice.
to Schoen and Daboll. I hope that they are able to make this team competitive and fun to watch again. Next season is going to be rough, but hoping for a functioning offense, even if it'll take a bit to build it up.
Schoen and Daboll were part of a team that just transformed a bottom rung franchise. Perfect experience for them to do the same here.
I also think Daboll’s resume is just so much stronger than McAdoo and Judge, and better than Shurmur given his unsuccessful Cleveland stint. He’s just a much stronger candidate.
After 35 years in Rochester, I was pulling for the Bills*. But even during the game I felt the consolation prize was getting Daboll earlier if he was selected HC.
*Stayed faithful to the NYG as my #1 team; WHAM used to carry Giant games and I'd listen in the UofR computer lab while punching IBM cards on Sundays, the only available time from the University - and I had a full time day job to boot.
hope i'm wrong but this hire feels a lot like McAdoo and Shurmur. in a year where there were numerous candidates available who had successes as head coaches before it's a letdown to be playing coordinator roulette again.
Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.
Here's one thing to consider. It wasn't John Mara who picked him. Mara picked the last two. I'd be in line with your thinking if it was the same guy making the choice.
John Mara doesn't pick the 8 or 9 in every 10 new coordinators who fail as HCs in other organizations.
Schoen and Daboll, not unlike Judge, may be a very bright guys who simply don't know what they don't know because they have never done it.
I know this is unorthodox with respect to "the right way", but i believe there's a good reason coaches make 2-3x what GM's make. they are more important and harder to find. I'd have hired 1 of the experienced head coaches (likely Harbough or Flores) and let them pick a GM they can work with. It's a lot easier to find people who can do a good job scouting players than head coaches who can win football games. That's basically what Oakland and KC did with Gruden and Reid. Ron Rivera and Pete Carroll also got hired with say over the GM. There aren't too many examples because there are rarely experienced head coaches available so most of the time that's not an option but since it was this time I think i'd have preferred going that route after the other didnt work 3x in a row.
i hope we got the next mcvay or staley but that's a bet with long odds. maybe the law of averages finally goes in our favor.
If nothing else, Daboll is VASTLY more experienced
Andy Reid was a rookie Head Coach who had never done anything but coach offensive line.
McVay was named a head coach at 30 years old which was wildly unprecedented. Never a head coach.
McDermott for Buffalo was a rookie head coach
Sean Payton, rookie head coach.
Mike Tomlin, rookie head coach.
Kyle Shanahan, rookie head coach
Mike Vrabel, rookie head coach
None of these men had ever been a head coach before at any level.
Imagine being Joe Judge right now, he wanted Daboll as his OC.
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
Is there any way now, we can trade both #1s this, next year, and the year after, plus Jones, for Allen? ;)
BW, we need to go with the New Jersey Bills if we are going to stick the way it was called in 1993 ;)
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
Good coaches have to start somewhere.
The chances of Daboll being the next Sean McVay are infinitesimal. Shanahan had a much better resume and Zac Taylor sucked before Joe Burrow fell in his lap.
The player personnel in this situation will be everything.
O LINE,out of the 1st 3 picks in the draft..And give is new DC his edge guy..And it wouldn't surprise me that the 3rd round pick is a WR who can stay hopefully healthy all season..
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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
Ah, we found our conspiracy theory. That was an obvious one…
I don't think the Giants have ever had a bald head coach. He's going to have to wear Ernie's rug to make Mara feel more comfortable around him.
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...
You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!
Schoen wants this guy, good enough for me.
Go Giants!
I started from the end and was like, "Wow, he used to be in really good shape!"
10 pictures later. "And here's where he gets fat."
10 pictures later. "Oh shit, he got in shape again! Get it Daboll!"
10 pictures later. "And fat again."
10 pictures later. "Oh damn, he pulled it together again!"
Then comes the Buffalo era. "Just fat and fatter."
I'm looking forward to the next step in the journey
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...
You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!
HQ?
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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
What QB would you use? Remember you have no money, and you need your draft picks to rebuild the roster. Plus Jones has little value right now.
Steve Tisch: "It was obvious Brian has spent his career preparing for this moment. He is creative, thoughtful, determined. Joe & Brian are the perfect complement to each other. We will do everything we can to support their process as they build toward '22 season and after that."
Giants announced it. Done deal.
GO GIANTS!!!!
See the front page.
Flores will need to get as a DC and establish he can work with people. The GM and HC need to be aligned and that has been a problem with the Giants going back to Reese.
We’ll see how he does, I do have concerns about how much of his success was due to Allen’s massive talent but maybe he was a big reason for Allen becoming what he is now. Who knows.
I’m excited about the direction of the franchise. Hopefully we are able to get back on track and start winning again.
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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
Yes, I’m guessing it’s likely the owners of a billion dollar franchise hired their new GM and HC based on whether they’d keep one player who will be a free agent next year if they don’t pick up his option, because — loyalty?
I am sure everyone wants Daniel Jones to succeed. That makes things a lot easier. But if he’s not the guy, the new GM is tasked with finding the guy. That’s his job. But no one is tasked with keeping Jones at cost to the team. Come on.
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Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.
Hahahaha. Bravo sir. That made me laugh
This. Daniel Jones had the same or better numbers his first 2 years in the league than Josh Allen did his first 2 years.
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Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.
Here's one thing to consider. It wasn't John Mara who picked him. Mara picked the last two. I'd be in line with your thinking if it was the same guy making the choice.
I also think Daboll’s resume is just so much stronger than McAdoo and Judge, and better than Shurmur given his unsuccessful Cleveland stint. He’s just a much stronger candidate.
Let’s go.
After 35 years in Rochester, I was pulling for the Bills*. But even during the game I felt the consolation prize was getting Daboll earlier if he was selected HC.
*Stayed faithful to the NYG as my #1 team; WHAM used to carry Giant games and I'd listen in the UofR computer lab while punching IBM cards on Sundays, the only available time from the University - and I had a full time day job to boot.
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hope i'm wrong but this hire feels a lot like McAdoo and Shurmur. in a year where there were numerous candidates available who had successes as head coaches before it's a letdown to be playing coordinator roulette again.
Fangio would make me a feel a lot better.
Here's one thing to consider. It wasn't John Mara who picked him. Mara picked the last two. I'd be in line with your thinking if it was the same guy making the choice.
John Mara doesn't pick the 8 or 9 in every 10 new coordinators who fail as HCs in other organizations.
Schoen and Daboll, not unlike Judge, may be a very bright guys who simply don't know what they don't know because they have never done it.
I know this is unorthodox with respect to "the right way", but i believe there's a good reason coaches make 2-3x what GM's make. they are more important and harder to find. I'd have hired 1 of the experienced head coaches (likely Harbough or Flores) and let them pick a GM they can work with. It's a lot easier to find people who can do a good job scouting players than head coaches who can win football games. That's basically what Oakland and KC did with Gruden and Reid. Ron Rivera and Pete Carroll also got hired with say over the GM. There aren't too many examples because there are rarely experienced head coaches available so most of the time that's not an option but since it was this time I think i'd have preferred going that route after the other didnt work 3x in a row.
i hope we got the next mcvay or staley but that's a bet with long odds. maybe the law of averages finally goes in our favor.
Look, this could fail. But it does also work.
Andy Reid was a rookie Head Coach who had never done anything but coach offensive line.
McVay was named a head coach at 30 years old which was wildly unprecedented. Never a head coach.
McDermott for Buffalo was a rookie head coach
Sean Payton, rookie head coach.
Mike Tomlin, rookie head coach.
Kyle Shanahan, rookie head coach
Mike Vrabel, rookie head coach
None of these men had ever been a head coach before at any level.