to put in perspective..only a few weeks ago most of us were resigned to the fact that the Giants would be going into next season with Judge/Abrahams as the HC/GM combo..
aspect but that can be a crapshoot. Many win games but they shrivel come playoff.
I think the biggest problem has been talent for a decade. In this case the GM was the more important role to upgrade processes and start drafting better. Even if Daboll does not work out you can correct things easier if JS does his job imv. All our recent coaches and TC’s were all impacted by the roster especially the OL.
My only worry is I don’t want to be pass happy and I want a really good defense. Since I’ve been a fan the NFC East had been won by the most physical team and that wins in the playoffs as well.
Andy Reid was a rookie Head Coach who had never done anything but coach offensive line.
McVay was named a head coach at 30 years old which was wildly unprecedented. Never a head coach.
McDermott for Buffalo was a rookie head coach
Sean Payton, rookie head coach.
Mike Tomlin, rookie head coach.
Kyle Shanahan, rookie head coach
Mike Vrabel, rookie head coach
None of these men had ever been a head coach before at any level.
Everyone is a rookie at some point. Daboll is slightly more experienced than Judge but from the same background. Shurmur was more experienced than both. McAdoo a hybrid of all 3. none are outliers to the failure rate of NFL coordinators.
Bottomline is this time unlike most other years they had several to choose from who weren't rookies. Jim Harbough has a near .700 winning% in the NFL and was rumored to be interested in the job. Flores has just 5 less wins than Buffalo (whose HC was also a defensive coach by expertise) the last 2 years with Tua/Fitz/Brissett not Josh Allen. Pederson won a SB with Nick Foles. How thrilled would we be to get to see a team get to another SB even if they choke it away like Quinn did?
I really do hope Daboll is the next Shanahan/McVay but there was a higher % play available.
Don’t feel too crazy about it either way. The whole situation with Judge made me realize I shouldn’t fall in love with quotes and anecdotes and other BS before I see the coaches actual performance.
We’ll see how he does, I do have concerns about how much of his success was due to Allen’s massive talent but maybe he was a big reason for Allen becoming what he is now. Who knows.
I’m excited about the direction of the franchise. Hopefully we are able to get back on track and start winning again.
I'm with you.
The last 3 coaches talked the Packers philosophy (of a decade ago) of developing from within, using the PS as an integral part of that system, high character etc in a learning/teaching environment. I even liked JJ's the search for teachers as coaches. I bought it all; hook, line and sinker.
I won't doubt Brian, but I will wait a while afore I jump on the band wagon.
Most of the time, I agree it’s the HC, but the Giants talent base is so depleted, I’d argue this is an exception and Schoen is the key hire.
where was the Jets talent base pre-Parcells?
or I suppose more relevant to this search, the Dolphins in 2019 after trading Tunsil/Fitzpatrick?
or the Niners pre-harbough when they hadn't had a winning season in a decade?
head coaches are the most important person in every nfl org.
After 35 years in Rochester, I was pulling for the Bills*. But even during the game I felt the consolation prize was getting Daboll earlier if he was selected HC.
*Stayed faithful to the NYG as my #1 team; WHAM used to carry Giant games and I'd listen in the UofR computer lab while punching IBM cards on Sundays, the only available time from the University - and I had a full time day job to boot.
are you a U of R alum? So is our new coach. Meliora, bitches!
An experienced head coach doesn’t guarantee anything.
At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.
there are no guarantees you will win if you walk into a casino but there are games you can play that will give you better odds of winning than others. a poker player walking into poker room where they've won money before is better odds than someone walking up to a game they've never played before, even if it's similar to one they have.
and there was no HC available anywhere close to him. If Mara had the opportunity to hire BB or BP type, I think he says “Please fix the franchise.” Then he asks, “Is it ok if I watch practice?” Let’s get some stability in the FO and address the drafting.
Well, Miami just fired Flores despite his very credible coaching, so maybe it would have been better for them to hire the right GM - who would have drafted Herbert.
If our new GM fails to upgrade the Giants talent, almost every coach will fail here. But the reverse? If Daboll fails but Schoen is starting to build a talented team, in 2025 or 2026 when they would to find a new coach, the team would be poised for excellence and the coaching vacancy would be very desirable.
So most of the time, I agree with you, but this is an exception.
An experienced head coach doesn’t guarantee anything.
At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.
there are no guarantees you will win if you walk into a casino but there are games you can play that will give you better odds of winning than others. a poker player walking into poker room where they've won money before is better odds than someone walking up to a game they've never played before, even if it's similar to one they have.
Is Harbaugh leaving a cushy job at Michigan to rebuild the Giants? Besides Flores who is still pretty inexperienced, what other experienced head coach did you want?
Daboll is a very experienced coordinator and what’s more
aside from him I'd have talked to Flores, Quinn, and Pederson.
All 4 of those guys individually have more winning seasons than the Giants org since the last SB, some in only a handful of seasons coached in that specific period of time.
I'm not anti-Daboll but I find it hard to believe independent of a relationship with Schoen he'd have beat out all 4 despite their edge in experience.
Well, Miami just fired Flores despite his very credible coaching, so maybe it would have been better for them to hire the right GM - who would have drafted Herbert.
If our new GM fails to upgrade the Giants talent, almost every coach will fail here. But the reverse? If Daboll fails but Schoen is starting to build a talented team, in 2025 or 2026 when they would to find a new coach, the team would be poised for excellence and the coaching vacancy would be very desirable.
So most of the time, I agree with you, but this is an exception.
Grier was the one who hired flores and up until the moment flores got fired was thought to be his best achievement.
sorry but with certain team sports - the NFL and NHL - we've seen it too many times where the same rosters produce very different outcomes one season to the next with different coaching. The Rangers and Islanders are both recent examples. The Jets with Parcells. The Raiders went through how many coaches in between Gruden and almost all of them finished last. The Bucs had been in last place 7 of 8 years before Arians - Jason Licht as GM almost the entire time. And even before Brady got there Arians made them better right away. Without Arians they probably don't get Brady.
Harbough's rumored interest was the unicorn in this situation, and though I can acknowledge he may not be the right personality for every situation there were enough others with experience I'd have stayed in that aisle.
Having a rookie GM and HC makes me nervous. I would have much rather have an experienced duo but whatever. This particular job is going to be super tough. We are in cap hell and don't have much talent. Both lines need to be rebuilt and we will need a new QB as I don't think Jones is it (style of play, durability, overall skillset). This will take 3 seasons at least. Best of luck to Daboll. He'll need it.
Joe Judge coached Special teams for 4 years
WR coach for 1 year.
Daboll paid his dues.
4 years WR coach
2 years QB coach
8 years Offensive Coordinator
3 years TE coach
another 1 year running offense in college (and a great one).
But just as much as the years is the exposure to multiple head coaches, styles and methods.
It's not close.
Again, it could fail as much as any other coach, but definitely not because Daboll is a wannabe Belichick robot or a guy who's never been in the trenches. He's done a lot of coaching.
It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
Holy cow, talk about stubborn. Mara has done everything many said he would not do. Now the narrative is they must have agreed to keep Jones! Hahaha, that s unbelievable, even for you.
But feels a lot like Handley, McAdoo and Judge learning how to be an NFL head coach for the first time in this little town they call New York. The Giants need a leader of men. They don't need smartest guy in the room gurus. Anybody can coach Josh Allen and be successful. If this thinking is based on the preordained notion that Daniel Jones just needs a good coach to be successful, then we are at least three years away from rock bottom. Good stuff. Keep truckin'. Yay.
What was that definition of insanity again? I thought it had something to do with making the same mistake over and over again and expecting different results. But now I can clearly see that I have been mistaken. It's simply being a Giants fan.
Nuff said. Hope I'm wrong. Fairly certain I'm not.
But feels a lot like Handley, McAdoo and Judge learning how to be an NFL head coach for the first time in this little town they call New York. The Giants need a leader of men. They don't need smartest guy in the room gurus. Anybody can coach Josh Allen and be successful. If this thinking is based on the preordained notion that Daniel Jones just needs a good coach to be successful, then we are at least three years away from rock bottom. Good stuff. Keep truckin'. Yay.
What was that definition of insanity again? I thought it had something to do with making the same mistake over and over again and expecting different results. But now I can clearly see that I have been mistaken. It's simply being a Giants fan.
Nuff said. Hope I'm wrong. Fairly certain I'm not.
Judge was 38 when hired and it was the 5 seasons as a coordinator in NE that got him hired.
Daboll is 46 with 8 seasons as a coordinator but they were scatter shot until the last 4 in Buffalo which are what got him hired.
You're right that the 8 years Daboll has on Judge were years spent as an NFL assistant which are relevant, and perhaps being an offensive coordinator is also better preparation than Special Teams.
Like I said though Daboll is in some ways a hybrid of the last 3 coaches they've hired. He has the recent offensive achievement shurmur had, but with less stench of loser. He has the NE/Bama pedigree Judge had, with a little more relevant experience. And a little bit of the worry mcadoo came with of possibly having been swept up in the success of a great QB.
hey look, if he can combine the good qualities judge had with the offensive capability shurmur showed being able to get more out of less offensively then maybe they finally got it right. my point isn't anti daboll, it's pro experience since this was a rare offseason with a few experienced options and this job appeared to be the most coveted.
the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...
You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!
HQ?
I don't know. I'm going to blame it on the cellphone and auto correct....
""Thank you to Joe Schoen for believing in me and to John Mara and Steve Tisch and their families for entrusting me with this position. My immediate goal is to assemble a coaching staff – a strong staff that emphasizes teaching and collaboration and making sure our players are put in the position to be their best and, ultimately, to win games. "
are usually retreads for a reason. For every Belichick, or Pete Carrol, who learned from their mistakes the first time around, there's some who didn't.
For every unsuccessful rookie HC, there's some who succeeded.
Stop getting hung up on one way or another. What's important is the individual.
our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?
I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.
- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope
My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.
But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...
our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?
I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.
- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope
My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.
But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...
Already have noticed one since the Daboll hiring. Mara wanted Daboll because Daboll "loves Jones", which keeps Jones in place. Mara was going to initially force the Flores hire because of the BC connection. Once told that Daboll "loves Jones", Mara shifted to a force hire of Daboll.
as others have said, this doesn't move the needle for me!
rookie GM - rookie HC - new OC - trash QB - washed RB - questionable WR corp
looks like we'll be sub 500 for the next 3-5 years
UNLESS....Deshaun Watson admits he was addicted to sex, gets some counseling and does a presser on how he wants to redefine his life...and we make the trade
It's possible Flores was lobbying for Deshaun Watson
as others have said, this doesn't move the needle for me!
rookie GM - rookie HC - new OC - trash QB - washed RB - questionable WR corp
looks like we'll be sub 500 for the next 3-5 years
UNLESS....Deshaun Watson admits he was addicted to sex, gets some counseling and does a presser on how he wants to redefine his life...and we make the trade
This post is not a slam. Just wondering what your expectations are/were for the hiring instead of Daboll?
1-- You speak of sub .500 so if they stay around .500 but accomplish nothing but mediocrity, then that is okay? SO my guess is you want to see a build-up as a contender, right? Other than seeing team built to be a contender, nothing else really moves the needle, right?
2--- What were you expecting in 2022 for the Giants season? You think magically they were going to turn into a great contender?
3--- You don't want Jones-- okay. So what trade is going to make you a contender in 2022 or 2023?
4--- You are saying 3-5 years. Well what about year 3? You think we’re going to be contender in 3 years?
5—Suppose we draft one of the top QB’s available in 2023? You think we would be still headed in the wrong direction?
6-- What were you expecting for their team to be a good football team in 2 years or less?
Cam Marino accurately predicted Brian Daboll would be named the head coach of the Giants. Some Giant fans unfairly criticized him.
I have a friend who speaks to an NFL scout weekly. Joe Schoen was going to name Brian Daboll as the head coach. The Giants were being politically correct with Brian Flores.
Last year, many Giant fans castigated Micah Parsons and said he would be a bust. They were prescient. Scouts noted that Parsons and Odafe Oweh had changed the way edge-rushers are drafted. The NFL wants athletes with great speed and quickness. College production is less important.
our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?
I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.
- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope
My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.
But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...
How many of these things would have happened if Judge hadn't totally melted down over the course of two weeks and Tisch didn't put his foot down?
I don't know. Half measures could have popped up anywhere
Judge doesn't have that 11 minute rambling answer in that postgame presser after Bears/QB sneaks vs. WFT...he's still the HC. Even after JJ was fired, Mara was singing his praises somewhat, in that he thought Judge could be a good HC down the road.
I think the biggest problem has been talent for a decade. In this case the GM was the more important role to upgrade processes and start drafting better. Even if Daboll does not work out you can correct things easier if JS does his job imv. All our recent coaches and TC’s were all impacted by the roster especially the OL.
My only worry is I don’t want to be pass happy and I want a really good defense. Since I’ve been a fan the NFC East had been won by the most physical team and that wins in the playoffs as well.
I started from the end and was like, "Wow, he used to be in really good shape!"
10 pictures later. "And here's where he gets fat."
10 pictures later. "Oh shit, he got in shape again! Get it Daboll!"
10 pictures later. "And fat again."
10 pictures later. "Oh damn, he pulled it together again!"
Then comes the Buffalo era. "Just fat and fatter."
I'm looking forward to the next step in the journey
Brian has to be great - he coached up Bret Farve! (j/k)
Oh great. He’ll never finish the playbook.
Look, this could fail. But it does also work.
Andy Reid was a rookie Head Coach who had never done anything but coach offensive line.
McVay was named a head coach at 30 years old which was wildly unprecedented. Never a head coach.
McDermott for Buffalo was a rookie head coach
Sean Payton, rookie head coach.
Mike Tomlin, rookie head coach.
Kyle Shanahan, rookie head coach
Mike Vrabel, rookie head coach
None of these men had ever been a head coach before at any level.
Everyone is a rookie at some point. Daboll is slightly more experienced than Judge but from the same background. Shurmur was more experienced than both. McAdoo a hybrid of all 3. none are outliers to the failure rate of NFL coordinators.
Bottomline is this time unlike most other years they had several to choose from who weren't rookies. Jim Harbough has a near .700 winning% in the NFL and was rumored to be interested in the job. Flores has just 5 less wins than Buffalo (whose HC was also a defensive coach by expertise) the last 2 years with Tua/Fitz/Brissett not Josh Allen. Pederson won a SB with Nick Foles. How thrilled would we be to get to see a team get to another SB even if they choke it away like Quinn did?
I really do hope Daboll is the next Shanahan/McVay but there was a higher % play available.
We’ll see how he does, I do have concerns about how much of his success was due to Allen’s massive talent but maybe he was a big reason for Allen becoming what he is now. Who knows.
I’m excited about the direction of the franchise. Hopefully we are able to get back on track and start winning again.
I'm with you.
The last 3 coaches talked the Packers philosophy (of a decade ago) of developing from within, using the PS as an integral part of that system, high character etc in a learning/teaching environment. I even liked JJ's the search for teachers as coaches. I bought it all; hook, line and sinker.
I won't doubt Brian, but I will wait a while afore I jump on the band wagon.
At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.
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You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?
Just because I disagreed with you, I'm a troll now? Fuck off.
Wait, all of your posts for the past week have been sincere?!
where was the Jets talent base pre-Parcells?
or I suppose more relevant to this search, the Dolphins in 2019 after trading Tunsil/Fitzpatrick?
or the Niners pre-harbough when they hadn't had a winning season in a decade?
head coaches are the most important person in every nfl org.
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After 35 years in Rochester, I was pulling for the Bills*. But even during the game I felt the consolation prize was getting Daboll earlier if he was selected HC.
*Stayed faithful to the NYG as my #1 team; WHAM used to carry Giant games and I'd listen in the UofR computer lab while punching IBM cards on Sundays, the only available time from the University - and I had a full time day job to boot.
are you a U of R alum? So is our new coach. Meliora, bitches!
At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.
there are no guarantees you will win if you walk into a casino but there are games you can play that will give you better odds of winning than others. a poker player walking into poker room where they've won money before is better odds than someone walking up to a game they've never played before, even if it's similar to one they have.
we are certainly doing our part to give people chances.
If our new GM fails to upgrade the Giants talent, almost every coach will fail here. But the reverse? If Daboll fails but Schoen is starting to build a talented team, in 2025 or 2026 when they would to find a new coach, the team would be poised for excellence and the coaching vacancy would be very desirable.
So most of the time, I agree with you, but this is an exception.
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You've been on a troll track the past few weeks. Is this your new identity?
Just because I disagreed with you, I'm a troll now? Fuck off.
Wait, all of your posts for the past week have been sincere?!
Am I bothering you? You and Producer have a thing going on?
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An experienced head coach doesn’t guarantee anything.
At least we know we’ll have a modern offense.
there are no guarantees you will win if you walk into a casino but there are games you can play that will give you better odds of winning than others. a poker player walking into poker room where they've won money before is better odds than someone walking up to a game they've never played before, even if it's similar to one they have.
Is Harbaugh leaving a cushy job at Michigan to rebuild the Giants? Besides Flores who is still pretty inexperienced, what other experienced head coach did you want?
All 4 of those guys individually have more winning seasons than the Giants org since the last SB, some in only a handful of seasons coached in that specific period of time.
I'm not anti-Daboll but I find it hard to believe independent of a relationship with Schoen he'd have beat out all 4 despite their edge in experience.
If our new GM fails to upgrade the Giants talent, almost every coach will fail here. But the reverse? If Daboll fails but Schoen is starting to build a talented team, in 2025 or 2026 when they would to find a new coach, the team would be poised for excellence and the coaching vacancy would be very desirable.
So most of the time, I agree with you, but this is an exception.
Grier was the one who hired flores and up until the moment flores got fired was thought to be his best achievement.
sorry but with certain team sports - the NFL and NHL - we've seen it too many times where the same rosters produce very different outcomes one season to the next with different coaching. The Rangers and Islanders are both recent examples. The Jets with Parcells. The Raiders went through how many coaches in between Gruden and almost all of them finished last. The Bucs had been in last place 7 of 8 years before Arians - Jason Licht as GM almost the entire time. And even before Brady got there Arians made them better right away. Without Arians they probably don't get Brady.
Harbough's rumored interest was the unicorn in this situation, and though I can acknowledge he may not be the right personality for every situation there were enough others with experience I'd have stayed in that aisle.
That's quite an understatement.
Joe Judge coached Special teams for 4 years
WR coach for 1 year.
Daboll paid his dues.
4 years WR coach
2 years QB coach
8 years Offensive Coordinator
3 years TE coach
another 1 year running offense in college (and a great one).
But just as much as the years is the exposure to multiple head coaches, styles and methods.
It's not close.
Again, it could fail as much as any other coach, but definitely not because Daboll is a wannabe Belichick robot or a guy who's never been in the trenches. He's done a lot of coaching.
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It should be about Schoen-Daboll evaluating for the next QB. I think Jones *should* be irrelevant in all this.
Jesus, I wish I shared your view on this. I have the worst feeling a certain owner said to a certain new GM that he could have his new HC as long as both agreed to go with a certain QB.
Holy cow, talk about stubborn. Mara has done everything many said he would not do. Now the narrative is they must have agreed to keep Jones! Hahaha, that s unbelievable, even for you.
What was that definition of insanity again? I thought it had something to do with making the same mistake over and over again and expecting different results. But now I can clearly see that I have been mistaken. It's simply being a Giants fan.
Nuff said. Hope I'm wrong. Fairly certain I'm not.
What was that definition of insanity again? I thought it had something to do with making the same mistake over and over again and expecting different results. But now I can clearly see that I have been mistaken. It's simply being a Giants fan.
Nuff said. Hope I'm wrong. Fairly certain I'm not.
I find your take comical at best.
Daboll is 46 with 8 seasons as a coordinator but they were scatter shot until the last 4 in Buffalo which are what got him hired.
You're right that the 8 years Daboll has on Judge were years spent as an NFL assistant which are relevant, and perhaps being an offensive coordinator is also better preparation than Special Teams.
Like I said though Daboll is in some ways a hybrid of the last 3 coaches they've hired. He has the recent offensive achievement shurmur had, but with less stench of loser. He has the NE/Bama pedigree Judge had, with a little more relevant experience. And a little bit of the worry mcadoo came with of possibly having been swept up in the success of a great QB.
hey look, if he can combine the good qualities judge had with the offensive capability shurmur showed being able to get more out of less offensively then maybe they finally got it right. my point isn't anti daboll, it's pro experience since this was a rare offseason with a few experienced options and this job appeared to be the most coveted.
And it figures some clueless posts making this about Jones. This has no relevancy to Daboll.
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the thing that most prepared him for being Giants HC was being HC at Air Force
Parcells and Coughlin are Giants only two successful coaches of the last 50 years and both had HC experience
So what do Giants do? Hire another career assistant like Judge, Shurmer,, and McAdoo
You are basing your entire argument on just the Giants and a sample size of two? There are a lot of amazing HCs who came out of OC/DC. How about looking at that universe of choices?
I like how you condensed his list of three to two.
Shurmer had been a HQ before...
You can say he had no HQ experience on the NFL level since it was the Browns, but the poster mentioned Air Force, and even Cleveland is as good as Air Force!
HQ?
I don't know. I'm going to blame it on the cellphone and auto correct....
Joe Judge, January, 2020?
For every unsuccessful rookie HC, there's some who succeeded.
Stop getting hung up on one way or another. What's important is the individual.
That was funny...
I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.
- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope
My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.
But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...
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our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?
I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.
- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope
My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.
But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...
Already have noticed one since the Daboll hiring. Mara wanted Daboll because Daboll "loves Jones", which keeps Jones in place. Mara was going to initially force the Flores hire because of the BC connection. Once told that Daboll "loves Jones", Mara shifted to a force hire of Daboll.
rookie GM - rookie HC - new OC - trash QB - washed RB - questionable WR corp
looks like we'll be sub 500 for the next 3-5 years
UNLESS....Deshaun Watson admits he was addicted to sex, gets some counseling and does a presser on how he wants to redefine his life...and we make the trade
true, i'm sure that particular conversation came up
and it probably helped tip the scale the other way
rookie GM - rookie HC - new OC - trash QB - washed RB - questionable WR corp
looks like we'll be sub 500 for the next 3-5 years
UNLESS....Deshaun Watson admits he was addicted to sex, gets some counseling and does a presser on how he wants to redefine his life...and we make the trade
This post is not a slam. Just wondering what your expectations are/were for the hiring instead of Daboll?
1-- You speak of sub .500 so if they stay around .500 but accomplish nothing but mediocrity, then that is okay? SO my guess is you want to see a build-up as a contender, right? Other than seeing team built to be a contender, nothing else really moves the needle, right?
2--- What were you expecting in 2022 for the Giants season? You think magically they were going to turn into a great contender?
3--- You don't want Jones-- okay. So what trade is going to make you a contender in 2022 or 2023?
4--- You are saying 3-5 years. Well what about year 3? You think we’re going to be contender in 3 years?
5—Suppose we draft one of the top QB’s available in 2023? You think we would be still headed in the wrong direction?
6-- What were you expecting for their team to be a good football team in 2 years or less?
I have a friend who speaks to an NFL scout weekly. Joe Schoen was going to name Brian Daboll as the head coach. The Giants were being politically correct with Brian Flores.
Last year, many Giant fans castigated Micah Parsons and said he would be a bust. They were prescient. Scouts noted that Parsons and Odafe Oweh had changed the way edge-rushers are drafted. The NFL wants athletes with great speed and quickness. College production is less important.
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our next conspiracy theory? Mara is going to make Daboll go on a diet? Mara won’t let him change the menu in the cafeteria?
I was thinking about that too...seem to be running out of rabbit holes to go down.
- Giants are just going to keep Gettleman on another year. Nope
- Mara is not going to fire Judge. Nope
- Abrams will just be named GM. Nope
- They will just run another fake GM search and hire a crony. Nope
- Mara is never going to let Schoen pick the head coach. Nope
- John and Chris Mara are running a parallel head coach search. Nope
- Mara’s top choice is Flores and will override Schoen. Nope
My guess is we will quickly be moving into the whole Schoen isn’t the real GM thing and the Mara’s are invoking mandates on keeping Jones and Saquon in place.
But if it’s going to be something else please weigh in on where you want go next...
How many of these things would have happened if Judge hadn't totally melted down over the course of two weeks and Tisch didn't put his foot down?
If this rebuild is done right this time, maybe we have "Meltdown Judge" to thank...