No need to get crazy about anything tonight though. It’s a good night for the franchise and you can argue as long as no extension is given, the smart thing to do is bring Jones back another year with some stuff competition.
Character and personality/wise - I believe it.
We will certainly find out if DJ has enough talent to invest in him.
The draft will be the best early indicator of what they really think
Character and personality/wise - I believe it.
We will certainly find out if DJ has enough talent to invest in him.
The draft will be the best early indicator of what they really think
Instead of asking the quarterback to go through progressions horizontally ie left to right, right to left he has them go through progressions vertically ie short to long on one half or one third of the field.
This makes going through progressions much easier which is beneficial to young quarterbacks.
The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Jones has a lot of good parts of his game, and his toughness and attitude are top notch. I bet Daboll thinks(and i hope hes right) that he can develop him.
His job depends on it potentially and guess what, if he can't get Jones fixed or find a suitable franchise guy thereafter, he'll be getting fired in 2 or 3 years.
The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
All of them showing the brave front and doubling down for the umpteeth time. But we know this headline gave them all a bit of angina. That alone makes it worthwhile.
whole issue is moot for 2022 because Jones is likely the only viable option. I agree we should bring in a veteran to challenge him, but he's still likely to be the starter on opening day.
I can't see the Giants picking up Jones's fifth year option, especially given their cap limitations, his performance to date, and his injury history.
There is a reasonable chance that Jones plays better in 2022 because with DG gone, he'll likely have a credible OL in front of him. Barkley will also be two years removed from his ACL tear. But will it be good enough to justify putting the franchise tag on him in 2023, which would cost about $30M IIRC, or signing him to a long-term deal? And would the Giants really want to do the latter no matter how well he plays in 2022, especially given his neck injury?
I'm rooting for him. He's a tough kid who works hard. He also is not the talentless bum he's been portrayed as so often here.
All of them showing the brave front and doubling down for the umpteeth time. But we know this headline gave them all a bit of angina. That alone makes it worthwhile.
The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
Can you honestly say this line/coaching staff gave him a chance. Let’s be realistic. We saw every snap of every game. This line was easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen on a pro field. We didn’t have any running. Zero. Jones was the leading rusher for about half the season. So we had no protection. No run game no threat of play action. It was a sad watch. I do think jones is good enough to win with. I compared him to Alex Smith when he was drafted. He could, with a better team much like Alex had in KC, be a very good QB. We haven’t seen him with a real team yet. Give him a real shot. I think with a solid draft he’ll have his chance to sink or swim.
The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
And the Defense Force will be saying it again after next season too, blaming the new HC/OC/system and needing time to adjust. Apparently Daniel Jones is a cat, or made of Teflon.
The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
Can you honestly say this line/coaching staff gave him a chance. Let’s be realistic. We saw every snap of every game. This line was easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen on a pro field. We didn’t have any running. Zero. Jones was the leading rusher for about half the season. So we had no protection. No run game no threat of play action. It was a sad watch. I do think jones is good enough to win with. I compared him to Alex Smith when he was drafted. He could, with a better team much like Alex had in KC, be a very good QB. We haven’t seen him with a real team yet. Give him a real shot. I think with a solid draft he’ll have his chance to sink or swim.
So Gettleman sucked at putting together the offensive line and every other part of the roster but he got the quarterback right?
Can you honestly say this line/coaching staff gave him a chance. Let’s be realistic. We saw every snap of every game. This line was easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen on a pro field. We didn’t have any running. Zero. Jones was the leading rusher for about half the season. So we had no protection. No run game no threat of play action. It was a sad watch. I do think jones is good enough to win with. I compared him to Alex Smith when he was drafted. He could, with a better team much like Alex had in KC, be a very good QB. We haven’t seen him with a real team yet. Give him a real shot. I think with a solid draft he’ll have his chance to sink or swim.
Worst case scenario, it is a free year because they did not draft him. If it works out, their job is easier.
If they're trying to sell everyone on "we can fix DJ" and that doesn't happen, it's not a free year but rather a big strike against them. They'd be much better served with their own QB they can sell needing development time or a veteran bridge with no expectations to "fix'
Can he be serviceable is the question, in the short run. There are aspects of Daboll’s system that “should” make Jones more productive, so we will see.
No need to get crazy about anything tonight though. It’s a good night for the franchise and you can argue as long as no extension is given, the smart thing to do is bring Jones back another year with some stuff competition.
We will certainly find out if DJ has enough talent to invest in him.
The draft will be the best early indicator of what they really think
We will certainly find out if DJ has enough talent to invest in him.
The draft will be the best early indicator of what they really think
Was a bust after year 2. Now we get the pair that helped him turn the corner. I really hope they turn DJ's career around.
Was a bust after year 2. Now we get the pair that helped him turn the corner. I really hope they turn DJ's career around.
Nobody thought Josh Allen was a bust after year 2.
I'm not saying he's a cert to be great in a better environment but I don't think his career is written yet.
This is a helluva risk for Schoen and Daboll to hitch their wagon to Jones.
This is a helluva risk for Schoen and Daboll to hitch their wagon to Jones.
Orlovsky “is that true”
Daboll “just post it”
Was a bust after year 2. Now we get the pair that helped him turn the corner. I really hope they turn DJ's career around.
Um, what?
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Was a bust after year 2. Now we get the pair that helped him turn the corner. I really hope they turn DJ's career around.
Nobody thought Josh Allen was a bust after year 2.
The hell they didn't
hear, hear
Until then, have a drink.
This makes going through progressions much easier which is beneficial to young quarterbacks.
Hilarious
Exactly, I love it. Go Blue! Time to turn this team around.
Cut the cord, bring in a vet, get your QB in 23.
I believe that I don’t know about DJ. But he was probably going to get another year no matter who the coach was so we’ll all get to watch.
His job depends on it potentially and guess what, if he can't get Jones fixed or find a suitable franchise guy thereafter, he'll be getting fired in 2 or 3 years.
Remember, it took Phil Simms a few years to find his stride, conquer the injury bug, and prove his worth.
I'm not ready to give up on Jones yet either.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
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relented on Daboll.
This is a helluva risk for Schoen and Daboll to hitch their wagon to Jones.
If they love Jones we are truly fucked. 5th year option and second contract for someone that will never be as good Kirk Cousins.
You know the old saying. You really don't know what you have with a QB until their 4th, 5th or even 6th year.
I can't see the Giants picking up Jones's fifth year option, especially given their cap limitations, his performance to date, and his injury history.
There is a reasonable chance that Jones plays better in 2022 because with DG gone, he'll likely have a credible OL in front of him. Barkley will also be two years removed from his ACL tear. But will it be good enough to justify putting the franchise tag on him in 2023, which would cost about $30M IIRC, or signing him to a long-term deal? And would the Giants really want to do the latter no matter how well he plays in 2022, especially given his neck injury?
I'm rooting for him. He's a tough kid who works hard. He also is not the talentless bum he's been portrayed as so often here.
This is a helluva risk for Schoen and Daboll to hitch their wagon to Jones.
1 year Isn’t hitching their wagon.
The proof is in the pudding
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The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
Can you honestly say this line/coaching staff gave him a chance. Let’s be realistic. We saw every snap of every game. This line was easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen on a pro field. We didn’t have any running. Zero. Jones was the leading rusher for about half the season. So we had no protection. No run game no threat of play action. It was a sad watch. I do think jones is good enough to win with. I compared him to Alex Smith when he was drafted. He could, with a better team much like Alex had in KC, be a very good QB. We haven’t seen him with a real team yet. Give him a real shot. I think with a solid draft he’ll have his chance to sink or swim.
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The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
And the Defense Force will be saying it again after next season too, blaming the new HC/OC/system and needing time to adjust. Apparently Daniel Jones is a cat, or made of Teflon.
Absolutely mind boggling
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The kids got a year left on a rookie deal. Why would you move on at this point. Of course he’s the starter going into the year. They’ll build the roster and evaluate him during this season. He’s playing for his career. If he fails we’ll be in great shape to select a QB next season with a much improved roster specifically the offensive line. Plus, we’ll have cap space. It’s such a simple plan and some fans get all worked up on Daniel Jones. Half this site rather see the kid fail terribly then succeed just so they can say I told you so.
Didn't we say that last year? Wasn't that his make or break year? How many chances does this fucker get?
Can you honestly say this line/coaching staff gave him a chance. Let’s be realistic. We saw every snap of every game. This line was easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen on a pro field. We didn’t have any running. Zero. Jones was the leading rusher for about half the season. So we had no protection. No run game no threat of play action. It was a sad watch. I do think jones is good enough to win with. I compared him to Alex Smith when he was drafted. He could, with a better team much like Alex had in KC, be a very good QB. We haven’t seen him with a real team yet. Give him a real shot. I think with a solid draft he’ll have his chance to sink or swim.
So Gettleman sucked at putting together the offensive line and every other part of the roster but he got the quarterback right?
LOL
Can you honestly say this line/coaching staff gave him a chance. Let’s be realistic. We saw every snap of every game. This line was easily one of the worst I’ve ever seen on a pro field. We didn’t have any running. Zero. Jones was the leading rusher for about half the season. So we had no protection. No run game no threat of play action. It was a sad watch. I do think jones is good enough to win with. I compared him to Alex Smith when he was drafted. He could, with a better team much like Alex had in KC, be a very good QB. We haven’t seen him with a real team yet. Give him a real shot. I think with a solid draft he’ll have his chance to sink or swim.
Well, one of the two of us isn't being realistic.
Psst..it's not me.
If they're trying to sell everyone on "we can fix DJ" and that doesn't happen, it's not a free year but rather a big strike against them. They'd be much better served with their own QB they can sell needing development time or a veteran bridge with no expectations to "fix'
DJ being the starter makes their jobs harder