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Bobby Thompson - Ken Dorsey As OC

Saos1n : 1/28/2022 7:26 pm
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Brian Daboll is bringing Ken Dorsey on as his OC


Say what you want, he was the first to break Daboll, along with a lot of interview news. He hasn’t missed yet
KD to the Giants as OC  
Alamo : 1/28/2022 7:46 pm : link
WOW...I just wet my bed !!🙃😊😬

Fun start to the offseason  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2022 7:49 pm : link
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He also says we keep  
Giantology : 1/28/2022 7:55 pm : link
Graham as DC
RE: He also says we keep  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15581111 Giantology said:
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Graham as DC


I don't even hate that. It's really hard to kill graham when his defense had no linebackers and no pass rushers.
TTH  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:01 pm : link
Except his defense at the end of the first half. It was ridiculous. I've never seen anything like that and there have been teams with far worse defensive talent than the Giants. The Giants still had a good DL and a very good secondary.
RE: RE: He also says we keep  
Eli Wilson : 1/28/2022 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15581123 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Graham as DC



I don't even hate that. It's really hard to kill graham when his defense had no linebackers and no pass rushers.


And the offense couldn't get a first down the last 5 weeks
It read like he was guessing on Graham  
Snablats : 1/28/2022 8:03 pm : link
Because they coached together in NE
I know the players like Graham  
BlackLight : 1/28/2022 8:03 pm : link
but it seems obvious to me we can do better. The defense wasn't so much a bright spot last season as it was a dim spot. Everything else was so wretched that even a bottom-ten defense felt like a respite.

I heard we get draft picks if Minnesota hires Graham as their HC. That's what I'm rooting for.
Dorsey as OC is a home run hire  
dpinzow : 1/28/2022 8:03 pm : link
We have two QB whisperers now
if the Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:04 pm : link
can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.
And if we actually score some points  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2022 8:09 pm : link
the d can get a rest and maybe play with the lead more often.
RE: RE: He also says we keep  
BigBlueShock : 1/28/2022 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15581123 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Graham as DC



I don't even hate that. It's really hard to kill graham when his defense had no linebackers and no pass rushers.

Graham and Judge both told us numerous times that they could scheme in pressure on the QB when they were asked about the lack of edge presence. They never followed through with any kind of scheming to get to the QB. It’s the coaches job to scheme around what they have and do not have. They failed at that. I’m not sure who the blame falls on because part of me thinks Judge and his conservative style is more responsible but was apparent was it didn’t look like they even bothered scouting the opponents. They played the same defense with the same plan every single week no matter who the opponent was. That’s not exactly encouraging
RE: if the Giants  
Danny Kanell : 1/28/2022 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15581144 Eric from BBI said:
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can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.


+1. Graham has to go
RE: RE: RE: He also says we keep  
Angel Eyes : 1/28/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15581157 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15581111 Giantology said:


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Graham as DC



I don't even hate that. It's really hard to kill graham when his defense had no linebackers and no pass rushers.


Graham and Judge both told us numerous times that they could scheme in pressure on the QB when they were asked about the lack of edge presence. They never followed through with any kind of scheming to get to the QB. It’s the coaches job to scheme around what they have and do not have. They failed at that. I’m not sure who the blame falls on because part of me thinks Judge and his conservative style is more responsible but was apparent was it didn’t look like they even bothered scouting the opponents. They played the same defense with the same plan every single week no matter who the opponent was. That’s not exactly encouraging

Gettleman said the same thing back in 2020 about scheming pressure.
RE: RE: if the Giants  
Big Blue '56 : 1/28/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15581160 Danny Kanell said:
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can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.



+1. Graham has to go


DK, we missed Martinez more than people thought and injuries didn’t help continuity, but giving up 79 unanswered points at the end of halves with less than 2 minutes to go was not only inexplicable, but inexcusable..
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/28/2022 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15581157 BigBlueShock said:
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Graham as DC



I don't even hate that. It's really hard to kill graham when his defense had no linebackers and no pass rushers.


Graham and Judge both told us numerous times that they could scheme in pressure on the QB when they were asked about the lack of edge presence. They never followed through with any kind of scheming to get to the QB. It’s the coaches job to scheme around what they have and do not have. They failed at that. I’m not sure who the blame falls on because part of me thinks Judge and his conservative style is more responsible but was apparent was it didn’t look like they even bothered scouting the opponents. They played the same defense with the same plan every single week no matter who the opponent was. That’s not exactly encouraging


I know they said it. I just think they were delusional for believing it. To me, that kind of plan works in college. You can't just not have a pass rush in the NFL. No one has ever won that way.

Plus they didn't have the talent. Maybe a defense with average joes can be "schemed" to success, but they didn't even have that.
RE: if the Giants  
jvm52106 : 1/28/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15581144 Eric from BBI said:
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can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.


Jesus Eric, can you be happy for even a minute?
Graham has to go  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/28/2022 8:28 pm : link
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RE: RE: if the Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15581206 jvm52106 said:
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can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.



Jesus Eric, can you be happy for even a minute?


Can I be happy about the 2021 New York Giants?

No.
RE: if the Giants  
mphbullet36 : 1/28/2022 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15581144 Eric from BBI said:
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can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.


I think his defense will look better if we can finally get pressure with 4 men.
I doubt Graham returns as DC  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/28/2022 8:30 pm : link
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RE: RE: if the Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15581212 mphbullet36 said:
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can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.



I think his defense will look better if we can finally get pressure with 4 men.


That's true of any defense.

But there is absolutely no excuse for NEVER being able to stop the opposing offense all season. Teams were driving 90 yards on us in some games. And it's not like the Giants were devoid of some pass rush talent.

Dorsey a surprise????  
Kev in Cali : 1/28/2022 8:34 pm : link
I hope we are sniping every last one of those Bills staff/players. Just a hunch, and if the moon, earth, sun, stars align.....we could be in for a hell of a ride : )


Dorsey as Frontrunner for OC - ( New Window )
 
christian : 1/28/2022 8:35 pm : link
The Giants do not have a very good secondary. They have an expensive, bad secondary.
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jvm52106 : 1/28/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15581209 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15581144 Eric from BBI said:


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can't stop an opposing offense from scoring at the end of the first half, it's not likely they will win a playoff game. (or even make the playoffs)

This wasn't just a 2021 problem. It was a problem in the first half of 2020 too.



Jesus Eric, can you be happy for even a minute?



Can I be happy about the 2021 New York Giants?

No.


Perhaps look at 2022, wait to see the staff assembled and not worry about shit that cannot be changed. So far I am happy with the process because it goes against all that was expected as we headed into week 18 (game 17) and your belief-fear that Judge would stay and Abrams would be GM.
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BigBlueShock : 1/28/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15581224 christian said:
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The Giants do not have a very good secondary. They have an expensive, bad secondary.

They signed two high priced man to man cover guys and then asked them to play a soft zone. They are good corners that have been being used wrong.
jvm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:46 pm : link
We're talking about the 2020-2021 New York Giants defensive coordinator. Keep up.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15581224 christian said:
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The Giants do not have a very good secondary. They have an expensive, bad secondary.


You'd be hard pressed to find a better safety trio of McKinney, Ryan, and Love. Bradberry was a Pro Bowl CB in 2020. Jackson wasn't worth the money, but he wasn't a liability. Holmes, Robinson, and Williams are promising CBs. Even Jarren Williams flashed in one game.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:49 pm : link

Art Stapleton

@art_stapleton

I think the world of Patrick Graham, I really do. I'm just not sure keeping Graham as DC is right move for Graham or for the Giants. Also sets up a weird dynamic with the players, imo.

Daboll and Graham are pros, I'm sure they can work it out. But, I'm not sure it's best move.
Is Dorsey a done deal?  
5BowlsSoon : 1/28/2022 8:52 pm : link
I don’t see this?
RE: Is Dorsey a done deal?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15581266 5BowlsSoon said:
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I don’t see this?


No, the Bills and Giants are tying to out-bid each other.
hopefully soon  
mphbullet36 : 1/28/2022 9:01 pm : link
https://twitter.com/BThomps81/status/1487244285619707905

@BThomps81
#Giants and Ken Dorsey are still working on a deal per source. Both sides want to get this done.
RE: Is Dorsey a done deal?  
Kev in Cali : 1/28/2022 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15581266 5BowlsSoon said:
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I don’t see this?


I do see this....
Dorsey frontrunner - ( New Window )
Dorsey also knows what a quality QB looks like coming from JA  
Kev in Cali : 1/28/2022 9:13 pm : link
SO, in order to evaluate DJ properly, this signing would be icing on the cake.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 9:15 pm : link
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
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4m
#Giants, per league rules, must also interview at least two minorities for their OC. Will be interesting to see who they bring in. Can’t imagine they want to wait very long.
Can't say Shoen doesn't have all the clout he needs  
adamg : 1/28/2022 9:20 pm : link
These are his people and he's bringing them in successfully. Not missing on his targets. He rides with these guys. Let's hope they deliver for him.
RE: And if we actually score some points  
Fred-in-Florida : 1/29/2022 6:52 am : link
In comment 15581156 UConn4523 said:
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the d can get a rest and maybe play with the lead more often.


How about it the other way around.

If the D can stop the other teams offense we'd get the ball back in better field position and could score more points.
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