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I am not a fan of John Mara

Bill in UT : 1/28/2022 7:29 pm
But I believe to deeply cares about the Giants and wants them to be winners. But his football instincts and loyalty have stood in the way. I'm ok that he expressed his opinion on the new HC, but ended up deferring, I can only assume, to Schoen. Going forward, I'm ok with him and Chris expressing their thoughts on draft picks, and Jones and Barkley, as long as they again defer to Schoen. So a little optimism, if tempered, going forward. I don't think we can hope for more than that, and it's probably the same with most teams. When he stops deferring, we'll have a problem.
Say what you will  
Giantophile : 1/28/2022 7:32 pm : link
But since the day the season ended he's done exactly what most fans wanted, myself included.

He hasn't earned any slack from the fanbase but he's had a strong January.
You'd  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/28/2022 7:33 pm : link
be hard-pressed to suggest that Daboll wasn't Schoen's preference. So this is a good sign.
Yup.  
Del Shofner : 1/28/2022 7:36 pm : link
Good post.
The thing is, he's damned either way  
BlackLight : 1/28/2022 7:37 pm : link
It's easy to insist that he just write the checks and stay the hell out of the way, but when an owner does that and things go bad, he's left in exactly the same situation as Mara was in - either fans hate you as a meddling owner or they hate you as an absentee owner.

I don't know anything about how to run a football team, but if I'm going to get catch hell when things go bad, I'd rather err on the side of being involved in the decision-making.
I think the head coach hire was always going to be Schoen's choice  
Blue Dream : 1/28/2022 7:39 pm : link
Mara's ego just wouldn't allow him to admit that in front of the cameras on Wednesday.
RE: You'd  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 1/28/2022 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15581011 Eric from BBI said:
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be hard-pressed to suggest that Daboll wasn't Schoen's preference. So this is a good sign.


Real or not, Flores being rumored as a Mara favorite with the obvious BC connection would’ve had many posters here calling it another sign of Mara playing too large a role.

I wouldn’t have minded Flores, but I love how Daboll feels like a pure Schoen choice. Especially if Dorsey comes along. Mara mentioned getting everyone on the same page and “Uniting” the team. Well a GM/HC/OC combo that seem like they all wanted to be together makes me feel like we’re off to a good start in terms of that. Assuming Dorsey is official.
He’ll want to be involved  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/28/2022 7:42 pm : link
Make recommendations, ask questions of JS and BD. I think he gives them two years almost always going JS’s way. JS’s job is to acquire talent and Daboll to win. If they fail he intercedes.

The good thing is Tisch seemed more involved so if I’m JS I make sure I share ideas with him of where he’s going. Let Tisch deal with Mara if it is causing issues getting things done.
Can This Play Out First?  
Samiam : 1/28/2022 7:50 pm : link
We have no idea if Schoen was the right choice, just that he was better than Abrams. And, we have no idea if Daboll can make the leap to become a good HC. Less than a year ago, people here were tripping over themselves in that we had one of the best, if not the best, young head coach in the game. And , we had a great staff of teaching assistants. All we can say now is this looks good.
RE: Can This Play Out First?  
Bill in UT : 1/28/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15581094 Samiam said:
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We have no idea if Schoen was the right choice, just that he was better than Abrams. And, we have no idea if Daboll can make the leap to become a good HC. Less than a year ago, people here were tripping over themselves in that we had one of the best, if not the best, young head coach in the game. And , we had a great staff of teaching assistants. All we can say now is this looks good.


Well, if we're going to play your game, we also have no idea if Schoen was a better choice than Abrams.
RE: You'd  
Justlurking : 1/28/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15581011 Eric from BBI said:
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be hard-pressed to suggest that Daboll wasn't Schoen's preference. So this is a good sign.


Agreed. Very happy about this.
making the right choice is more important that whoever made it  
Eric on Li : 1/28/2022 8:31 pm : link
i personally think they are taking a bigger gamble going with another coordinator vs an experienced coach.

im hoping for the best but if we are going by the pure odds of all coordinators who get jobs anywhere in the NFL (not just those hired by Mara) they are exactly the same today as they were 2 years ago that we won't be in the same spot again 2 years from now (and 2 years before that, and 2 years before that).
RE: Can This Play Out First?  
BigBlueShock : 1/28/2022 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15581094 Samiam said:
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We have no idea if Schoen was the right choice, just that he was better than Abrams. And, we have no idea if Daboll can make the leap to become a good HC. Less than a year ago, people here were tripping over themselves in that we had one of the best, if not the best, young head coach in the game. And , we had a great staff of teaching assistants. All we can say now is this looks good.

Let what play out? You don’t want us talking about a new GM or HC because we have to let it play out? Wtf? Go outside and get some air. The rest of us will continue talking about it. You can check back in around November as it’s playing out…
RE: RE: You'd  
Joe Beckwith : 1/28/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15581204 Justlurking said:
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In comment 15581011 Eric from BBI said:


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be hard-pressed to suggest that Daboll wasn't Schoen's preference. So this is a good sign.



Agreed. Very happy about this.


Bottom line: Mara likely preferred the experienced coach/ local man/ team turnarounder Flores, but found enough to like about Daboll, to be willing to commit to his earlier comment about staying out of the way.
Even if he had to bite his lip, he left it to the GM.
It also didn’t hurt to believe that they might be able to make DJ and SB a serviceable+, at least for a year, if that’s how Schoen see it.
Yes  
Les in TO : 1/28/2022 8:51 pm : link
It looks like Mara deferred to Schoen on this which takes humility to listen to someone new and younger and trust them. I don’t believe Mara will give Schoen any sacred cow edicts about keeping Jones and Barkley.
Re: Re: Re "You'd"  
clatterbuck : 1/28/2022 9:09 pm : link
So when do we see the Pat Leonard column attempting to confound the conventional wisdom that Daboll was Schoen's guy and that he was all in on Flores?
RE: RE: Can This Play Out First?  
Samiam : 1/28/2022 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15581225 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15581094 Samiam said:


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We have no idea if Schoen was the right choice, just that he was better than Abrams. And, we have no idea if Daboll can make the leap to become a good HC. Less than a year ago, people here were tripping over themselves in that we had one of the best, if not the best, young head coach in the game. And , we had a great staff of teaching assistants. All we can say now is this looks good.


Let what play out? You don’t want us talking about a new GM or HC because we have to let it play out? Wtf? Go outside and get some air. The rest of us will continue talking about it. You can check back in around November as it’s playing out…


I think if you read a little closer you would see that the thread is about Mara. And I’m not convinced that Mara is going to be as hands off as he should be. Somebody wrote the other day that Schoen was picked because he is more a yes man than Peters would have been; that Mara will be able to “persuade” Schoen to do his biddings. I’m not convinced that that’s wrong but I want to see it play out. If you want to believe in Mara and his change of direction, go ahead. With his track record, I’ll believe it when I see it.
Parcels put it pretty well.  
Giant John : 1/28/2022 9:52 pm : link
If they want me to do the cooking let me shop for some of the groceries. For some of you this is the way it needs to be. Mara gets credit fo stepping aside and committing to his GM.
Go GIANTS!11
I have it on  
Daniel in MI : 1/28/2022 10:38 pm : link
Good authority that Schoen is just a yes man and despite what you’ve read in tweets, press releases, and the Giants site, Mara wants Flores so he’s our new coach.
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