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Have to ask the "Why would they come here crowd"

USAF NYG Fan : 1/28/2022 7:40 pm
Why are people still saying this?

Far too many were saying this, or similar, about the GM job. We end up getting one of the top options available. Then people were saying it about the HC position. Again, the Giants are getting one of the top options available. Now several posters are saying the same thing about Dorsey for OC.

Did you learn nothing?

If the Bills block him, that's another argument btw.

The NY Giants are still a prime destination throughout the NFL. One of the oldest franchises in the NFL. Previous SUCCESSFUL Head Coaches, GMs, players are revered and highly respected. Be one of the people that turns this franchise around and get another Lombardi and your name gets etched into stone. It's not just Giants' fans that still talk about Parcells, it's the entire league's fans. His coaching tree is legendary.

For the record, if any prospective GM, HC, OC, etc doesn't want to come work for the NY Giants because it's too hard then I don't want them here either. I'd rather have the person that thinks they are the one to turn it around. I want the person who is in it to be competitive and step the hell up. I'm sure Tom Brady wanted to prove he can do it without Belichick and I'm sure Belichick is itching to do the same without Brady.

You don't do it because it's easy. You do it because it's hard. That's the difference between a player that plays hard until he gets that big contract and the one that plays to make the HoF. The GM, Coaches, Staff, etc are no different.
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Micko : 1/28/2022 8:03 pm : link
Feels like you are chastising a crowd that may not actually exist.
No one can argue that the past 6 years have been a nightmare  
Spider56 : 1/28/2022 8:11 pm : link
with boatloads of bad decisions ... but at the end of the day, there are 4 Lombardi trophies in that case in NJ and the dream of winning again on the biggest stage is still there.
I don't think  
darren in pdx : 1/28/2022 8:14 pm : link
the Bills can block Dorsey since he's not officially their OC at the moment. It's also been proven many times over that coaches and players have a way different perspective and view on things than fans do.
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USAF NYG Fan : 1/28/2022 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15581141 Micko said:
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Feels like you are chastising a crowd that may not actually exist.


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Hmm
Breeze_94 : 7:31 pm : link : reply
If I'm Ken Dorsey, why would I leave Josh Allen and that offense to work with Daniel Jones and the Giants mess of an Oline?


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Enzo : 7:40 pm : link : reply
In comment 15580997 Breeze_94 said:
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If I'm Ken Dorsey, why would I leave Josh Allen and that offense to work with Daniel Jones and the Giants mess of an Oline?

Even if the Giants are offering him a nice raise, it seems to me that the path to an eventual head coaching gig (and true life changing money) would be easier as the offensive coordinator in Buffalo as opposed to here.


When I posted it was because I saw the previous quotes. The same trend I saw with the GM and HC previously was starting to happen again for the OC. There were lot's of posters making this argument for the GM and HC jobs.

Thread is pointless though I guess. It's not like any of them are going to answer now.
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Micko : 1/28/2022 8:20 pm : link
Yeah, but those are arguments about our talent base which I think is a fair question. Apologies, I thought you meant bc of the organization.
 
christian : 1/28/2022 8:33 pm : link
The Bills are right smack in a championship window with a top 3 QB.

If he stays in Buffalo, I can’t imagine it has anything to do with the Giants, and everything to do with how good Buffalo is.
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section125 : 1/28/2022 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15581197 Micko said:
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Yeah, but those are arguments about our talent base which I think is a fair question. Apologies, I thought you meant bc of the organization.


It has said been numerous times - the why would anyone come here. And it has been the players and the FO. Take your pick.
Schoen was going to the Bears because of Justin Fields  
dpinzow : 1/28/2022 8:44 pm : link
I heard that one on this board too
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USAF NYG Fan : 1/28/2022 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15581220 christian said:
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The Bills are right smack in a championship window with a top 3 QB.

If he stays in Buffalo, I can’t imagine it has anything to do with the Giants, and everything to do with how good Buffalo is.


As my OP says, give me the guy that wants the tougher challenge and not the guy that takes the easy way.

My point is nobody should be surprised that people are picking the Giants over the "easy way". Wasn't true for the GM or HC positions so why would it be true for the OC position.
I am part of the "why would they come here crowd"  
EricJ : 1/28/2022 10:06 pm : link
but have always said that when speaking about players... not coaches or GMs.
I have raised this question...  
bw in dc : 1/28/2022 10:26 pm : link
referenced by the OP. And it's a reasonable question.

Let's review:

For starters, we have a problem at the most important position in the sport, our cap situation is not ideal, our roster has major holes, we have 19 wins in the last four years in the worst division in the NFL, our ownership has developed too many blind-spots with how to run a successful franchise, etc.

Is any of that a misinterpretation of the situation?
You do realize …  
dancing blue bear : 1/28/2022 10:39 pm : link
GM and head coaching jobs don’t come open cause shit is going awesome!

Let’s take the givens, shall we…
I think some people here  
Daniel in MI : 1/28/2022 10:56 pm : link
Don’t realize there are some pretty bad franchises out there. Cheap owners, meddling owners, ones that are more interested in $ than football, ones more into their primary business, ones in small markets with little attention (relatively), ones with bad culture, ones with little meaningful history, etc.

If you live and breathe football like these guys do, it means something to come here despite our recent problems. We may be behind, insular, and down now, but: the owners are not bad people, they care about football and winning, it’s a big stage, it’s a team with history, it’s a team with 4 trophies and more championships. It’s a team with Hall of Fame owners, executives, and players. It’s a team that a SB win gets you a parade in the canyon of heroes.

All teams have some history and stuff, but you better believe it’s different here than Detroit or Carolina or Jacksonville. The Giants are a name brand. and prime destination. Any GM or coach worth their salt is thinking past the last few years or the next two and imagining turning it around and having success here. I mean, if you can make it here you can make it anywhere.
( Hmm. That’s pretty good, I should copywrite that.)
We were saying that when Mara  
Debaser : 1/29/2022 4:10 am : link
Still bought into gettlemans bullshit that jones and judge needed more time.

It became obvious that when he fired judges and gettle already gone he was open to a new new start without Abraham’s Bri g gm ; a new coach ; And possibly a new QBs.

You do see the difference no?
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