not an indictment of either Schoen or Daboll, but is anyone surprised after the experiences with Judge and McAdoo (with a Shurmur sandwich in the middle) that the Giants hired two people to lead the franchise who have never had their role before? I think more coach than GM I expected an experienced hire.
Giants had a cycle for a decade where they went from Handley to Reeves to Fassel to Coughlin seemingly alternating between new guy and veteran.
again, they could both turn out to be legendary at what they do, but I expected they'd show more interest in someone like Quinn or Caldwell or at least have one of the two hires with experience in their new job.
lastly, I'm not opposed to this necessarily or unhappy with it, I don't feel strongly about either positively or negatively just figured they would opt for a Coughlin type as HC.
I know and maybe this will I hope it does, but McAdoo and Judge were never head coaches at any level (NFL, college even high school as far as I could tell) and neither has Daboll, so isn't it more of the same thing (from an experience standpoint)?
Shurmur had a two year HC stint with Cleveland (with 9 wins to show for it), so all together the last 4 head coaching hires had a combined 2 years of HC experience at any level when the Giants hired them.
everyone starts somewhere, hopefully for Daboll this is it and he becomes a legend and we're not all these guys Cleveland experience (in Belichick world)
If anything, I'm surprised that Mara appears to be listening to the fans AND giving up the decision making.
Blow it up is happening.
It's a shame it took 10 years, wasting Eli's last 5, and hitting rock bottom, but at least it happened.
I think John Mara went against the correct instinct in this case (hiring an experienced coach) in favor of his instincts towards comfort and placating the mob. This was a leadership search via fan poll where any answer was a good one as long as it was chosen by someone other than Mara himself.
Mara didn't have the appetite to bet big on someone like Harbough and the discomfort that may have created. I am curious what Peters HC search would have looked like and if perhaps Quinn or Flores may have ended up the choice. Schoen's selection of Daboll was clearly preordained.
All on board with Daboll. Let’s go.
All on board with Daboll. Let’s go.
Daboll spent the majority of his nfl career in the Saban/Belichek tree and runs a version of the NE offensive system.
Moreover, Daboll simply doesn’t have the baggage that Flores brings. Period.
Not sure why they didnt interview Pederson, but no one else has hired him, either.
Daboll paid his dues. As Spock said to Saavik in Star Trek II, "For everything, there is a 1st time." Let's hope he has the backbone to be a HC
Moreover, Daboll simply doesn’t have the baggage that Flores brings. Period.
And just to complete my thought - just because Daboll doesn’t have baggage now doesn’t meant he will succeed here or develop any similar questions of his own. None of us can foretell the future. But based on what we can know now, and given who the new GM is, I think Daboll is the better risk to take.
BBI, seems convinced that even when things happen exactly as the collective we wanted, we have great anxiety about getting what we'd hoped.
Breathe... it's a good day....
...until it's not.
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The Giants way is experimental? That would be news to me.
Don't know. McAdoo was involved in a prolific offense in Green Bay (and a SB win), Judge was part of the greatest dynasty the sport has ever known, in hindsight that doesn't seem more relevant than being first time head coaches - both seemed like deer in the headlights when faced with adversity and both seemed to lack the understanding of depth their job would need to function to be successful.
Again though, I'm not saying Daboll (or to a lesser extent Schoen) are bad hires, only that I found it a little surprising the Giants went this direction again for a HC (and to a lesser extent GM).
This entire process has been the exact opposite of the Giants way. But why let facts get in the way?
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This entire process has been the exact opposite of the Giants way. But why let facts get in the way?
hard disagree - imo people mistake the giants process as a lot of things (incompetent, owner meddling, nepotistic, etc) when in reality it is best described with 1 word - reactionary. the offense is broken? Make coughlin change coordinators. need to fire coughlin? keep mcadoo bc eli knows the system. mcadoo too immature? hire an adult. Adult was a loser with zero charisma? hire a winner with charisma.
this process was mara being reactionary to the 6 year campaign since firing Coughlin that they did things "the wrong way".
that doesn't mean it won't work out - i hope it does and there are some reasons to be optimistic that Daboll is better positioned than the prior 3 HCs, but i see no meaningful difference in the odds of success. they are what they are for first time head coaches and unlike Joe Schoen's initial statement it does not appear that they cast the widest net possible. 2 of the 3 finalists were coordinators from his former team.