G.T Bobby Thompson
@BThomps81
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A hold-up in the Ken Dorsey and #Giants deal to become official is the Rooney Rule. The team is obligated to interview two minorities. The team does not want to wait long on this
Jordan Schultz
@Schultz_Report
#Giants, per league rules, must also interview at least two minorities for their OC. Will be interesting to see who they bring in. Can’t imagine they want to wait very long.
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Good catch
Fuck me then. My bad
Fuck me then. My bad
What do you mean? That article was clear. Did they change it?
Leftwich?
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Who/how would we fulfill those OC interviews as options?
Leftwich?
He's already an OC though. I guess some lesser known position coaches.
I agree. In the NFL it doesn't make much sense. These teams all just want to win and I think have pretty good diversity just organically.
The rule is not to force the hire but to ensure that it is not just the old boys network and that more minorities get seen in the process and gain experience. The idea is also that teams are missing out on great candidates.
That being said, I. This case not sure who wants the interview when the choice is predetermined
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Get bombarded here, but this rooney rule stuff is ridiculous. Best man should get the job. If youre good, youre gonna get looks wether you are white, black, or purple.
I agree. In the NFL it doesn't make much sense. These teams all just want to win and I think have pretty good diversity just organically.
There's one Black head coach in a league that's 70% Black...
I see what you did there
And that article was written in Oct 2021 about changes to that rule.
@TheDougRush
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Per the Rooney Rule:
The Giants are required to interview at least one outside candidate for a vacant coordinator position, and in this case, the offensive coordinator position.
They wouldn’t have to interview anyone if Patrick Graham is retained as defensive coordinator.
i'd be careful with this new crop of insiders that have popped up around this search which ended up with the 2 overwhelming favorites getting hired. maybe they are really plugged in and this is their breakout but more likely not.
Hire a homeless guy off the street for $10?
+1
Caldwell
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In comment 15581349 Kev in Cali said:
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Who/how would we fulfill those OC interviews as options?
Leftwich?
He's already an OC though. I guess some lesser known position coaches.
You replied to yourself their...not sure the reason...
But yeah, however all this Rooney stuff pans out, I think Dorsey should be the 1st choice based on his QB background for our current/future QB development needs.
It’s a 20 minute drive from Florham Park.
Caldwell
He's got a decent resume and is for hire???
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Get bombarded here, but this rooney rule stuff is ridiculous. Best man should get the job. If youre good, youre gonna get looks wether you are white, black, or purple.
+1
This sounds good, but unfortunately it hasn't worked for blacks in football or for women and blacks in many industries, which is why the Rooney rule was created. Unfortunately it probably doesn't work very well either, which is why there are so few black coaches. The implication in what you say is there are not qualified candidates who are black, but there aren't enough coaching candidates because there aren't enough coordinators who are black, etc. But at least the Rooney rule makes people consider other candidates.
We've seen the lack of blacks at quarterback improve a bit, but there's a long way to go in coaching. I don't have a better solution but I think there's probably a lot of blacks who would be really good coordinators and head coaches out there.
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In comment 15581359 Straw Hat said:
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Get bombarded here, but this rooney rule stuff is ridiculous. Best man should get the job. If youre good, youre gonna get looks wether you are white, black, or purple.
I agree. In the NFL it doesn't make much sense. These teams all just want to win and I think have pretty good diversity just organically.
There's one Black head coach in a league that's 70% Black...
And most of those players make enough money that they dont have to work again if they dont want to. How many African-Americans go into coaching compared to how many whites go into coaching? How many ex-NFL players go into coaching? Most coaches never made it to the NFL as players
i'd be careful with this new crop of insiders that have popped up around this search which ended up with the 2 overwhelming favorites getting hired. maybe they are really plugged in and this is their breakout but more likely not.
This is true for Thompson but Schultz is a reputable reporter who has broke news for years.
Just hire best candidate regardless of race.
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In comment 15581359 Straw Hat said:
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Get bombarded here, but this rooney rule stuff is ridiculous. Best man should get the job. If youre good, youre gonna get looks wether you are white, black, or purple.
+1
This sounds good, but unfortunately it hasn't worked for blacks in football or for women and blacks in many industries, which is why the Rooney rule was created. Unfortunately it probably doesn't work very well either, which is why there are so few black coaches. The implication in what you say is there are not qualified candidates who are black, but there aren't enough coaching candidates because there aren't enough coordinators who are black, etc. But at least the Rooney rule makes people consider other candidates.
We've seen the lack of blacks at quarterback improve a bit, but there's a long way to go in coaching. I don't have a better solution but I think there's probably a lot of blacks who would be really good coordinators and head coaches out there.
So when does it end? Affirmative action in some form or another has been around in the business and academic worlds now for just about half a century. Personally, if I were black, I’d feel insulted at the notion that I needed a special accommodation to get hired for a job or get accepted to a school.
I agree. It forces someone to waste their time. I do get the intent, due to lack of minorities holding higher positions in the league. But, to be used as a steppingstone to help pre-determined candidate is repulsive. Not to make light of the fact that the leading candidate is a white candidate. I really despise this charade.
And most of those players make enough money that they dont have to work again if they dont want to. How many African-Americans go into coaching compared to how many whites go into coaching? How many ex-NFL players go into coaching? Most coaches never made it to the NFL as players
I do think you're seeing more ex-players make their way into the coaching and management side of things than before.
Those kinds of changes are measured in decades.
Look, the NFL decides who gets jobs in large part on relationships and word of mouth.
The last time John Mara needed a head coach he called Belichick. The last time he needed a GM he called Accorsi.
Schoen got Daboll hired because he knew him well. Schoen will eventually hire an assistant GM who he knows well and worked with before.
Look how many coaches in college and in the NFL get work simply because they worked for Belichick and Nick Saban.
It's a networking game. It's never been just an open and level playing field meritocracy.
One trend is I think some people just don’t know what to screen for. I’d also challenge the Mike Tomlin’s of the leagues who have had success to develop the next Tomlin. That’s what legacy coaches have done.
You replied to yourself their...not sure the reason...
But yeah, however all this Rooney stuff pans out, I think Dorsey should be the 1st choice based on his QB background for our current/future QB development needs.
Just thinking "out loud"...
Just hire best candidate regardless of race.
we get it...you make bad decisions with money, lets stick to football...hahah jk!
Just hire best candidate regardless of race.
Just as I was wondering “could someone possibly turn this thread political?” Congrats, you win !
@TheDougRush
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Per the Rooney Rule:
The Giants are required to interview at least one outside candidate for a vacant coordinator position, and in this case, the offensive coordinator position.
They wouldn’t have to interview anyone if Patrick Graham is retained as defensive coordinator.
Would keeping Graham negate the outside the organization clause of the Rooney Rule?
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In comment 15581359 Straw Hat said:
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Get bombarded here, but this rooney rule stuff is ridiculous. Best man should get the job. If youre good, youre gonna get looks wether you are white, black, or purple.
I agree. In the NFL it doesn't make much sense. These teams all just want to win and I think have pretty good diversity just organically.
There's one Black head coach in a league that's 70% Black...
There’s 1 white RB and 0 white CBs in a league that’s in a country that is 60% white; League is 70% black in a country that is 60% white; logic goes both ways. Best candidate should get the job regardless of skin color. If the owners want to interview one person they shouldn’t have to go through this song and dance.
This is most definitely not true which is why the rule exists.
You would not have a problem at all of finding a position coach to interview for it even if they know they don't have a shot. Just the fact they got an interview bumps that persons name immensely for the future