Dan Duggan
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OL Jamil Douglas contract details with the Giants, per source: 1 year, $1.2M with $352K guaranteed.
This is the exact same contract Ricky Seals-Jones got. It’s a Veteran Salary Benefit contract so it will only count $1M on the cap.
Lorenzo Carter contract details with the Falcons, per source: 1 year, $3.5M with $2M guaranteed. The Falcons added a void year to push half of his $2M signing bonus to 2023, so his cap hit this year will be $2.5M.
That the Giants reportedly got outbid on that deal shows how hamstrung they are by their cap situation.
Maybe they didn’t want to?
Skills were there but the tape was always mixed, was hoping someone would fall in love with is last 4 games and it would get us a comp pick, not in the cards though.
I think Wink wants more attitude....
Same goes to the OL....the guys we are bringing in....look like sobs...in a good way.
Peart is not long unless he gets meaner and tougher...if that is possible
Why do we care? Do NOT over value stats in a lost year... The Giants in 2015 mistakenly looked at our offensive numbers and thought oh we just need to fix the defense to right this team. It worked- sort of but as that season (2016) wore on the offense struggled more and more. Eli continued to slide, our Oline starting failing and before long our offense was just crap...
Do not confuse stays and play during a shit season as signs that this player, position or side of the ball is a strength..
Agreed
Why do we care? Do NOT over value stats in a lost year... The Giants in 2015 mistakenly looked at our offensive numbers and thought oh we just need to fix the defense to right this team. It worked- sort of but as that season (2016) wore on the offense struggled more and more. Eli continued to slide, our Oline starting failing and before long our offense was just crap...
Do not confuse stays and play during a shit season as signs that this player, position or side of the ball is a strength..
This.
Releasing Ximenes would actually be a bigger cap hit than his savings. He has about a $1M salary and a $200K dead cap. Cutting him and replacing him with a minimum salary guy costs more than keeping him at this point so I think he makes it to camp. The only players we still have any real cap savings is Trading Barkley, Trading/Cutting/restructuring Bradberry, Extending Williams and Trading/Cutting/extending Jones, cutting/restructuring Gates but we are talking like $2Mil savings. The rest cant really be worked for significant cap savings. i guess you can add voidable years to Adoree and Golladay but that doesnt seem likely.
I agree, they could have easily fit LC's contract under the cap. While I would have welcomed Carter back, I see this as a good sign - Schoen placers a value on a player and doesn't waver. Unlike the previous guy who loved to bid against himself.
Why on earth would they? Last player I’d be paying right now regardless
If that was Schoen's value, and he stuck to it, good on him, but it doesn't seem like a very high amount.
Maybe they did not want to pay him more than the league minimum because his play was easily replaced by development from Roche and Smith and/or rookies with an even lower cap hit. Niko Lalos in 2020 was more productive than we ever got out of Carter.
there's also a bit of narrative at work re: "not being able to bring back" carter.
if they wanted to bring him back they would have.
they chose to dedicate more cap room to Feliciano, Tyrod, and Glowinski.
they could have given him a multi-year deal and engineered a low year 1 salary and put some money into the future.
they could have restructured someone just like they did with Gano to match that deal.
we are talking about the difference of a few million in guaranteed money they chose to not spend. so they didn't hate him enough to not want him at any price but also didn't really like him either.
These guys are placeholders while they rip down as much as they can around them.
Gonna take at least two years to wipe off Gettleman's stink.
when you can only add or keep let's say 5 players above the minimum in the offseason, i don't think you are going to lose one for less than $1m if it's someone you truly wanted to be among those 5.
there's also a bit of narrative at work re: "not being able to bring back" carter.
if they wanted to bring him back they would have.
they chose to dedicate more cap room to Feliciano, Tyrod, and Glowinski.
they could have given him a multi-year deal and engineered a low year 1 salary and put some money into the future.
they could have restructured someone just like they did with Gano to match that deal.
we are talking about the difference of a few million in guaranteed money they chose to not spend. so they didn't hate him enough to not want him at any price but also didn't really like him either.
A 7th Rd. comp. pick is a silver lining, who knew?
I don't get too excited about this stuff myself.
something > nothing
Gonna take at least two years to wipe off Gettleman's stink.
This is the anti-Gettleman approach. Schoen seems intent on not making any substantial commitments and letting the staff actually assess the situation.
Instead of assuming everything was awesome, committing a bunch of money, and letting it fly. What a bozo.
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These guys are placeholders while they rip down as much as they can around them.
Gonna take at least two years to wipe off Gettleman's stink.
This is the anti-Gettleman approach. Schoen seems intent on not making any substantial commitments and letting the staff actually assess the situation.
Instead of assuming everything was awesome, committing a bunch of money, and letting it fly. What a bozo.
Did you say everything is awesome?
What you should watch is if Ojulari is a fit for Wink, and how the Giants attack adding legit, impact talents moving forward.
That’s perfect.
Come to think of it, the Giants would have been better off with Lego Man running the team for the last four years.
I don't believe he's going to just blossom into this valuable player, but he certainly got a fair shot here and plenty of playing time.
What hurts is a player like Romeo Okwara, an UDFA who cost them nothing, who didn't a get two full years with the Giants before they quit on him, and then went on to have 20 sacks in 28 starts with Detroit. That's the GM not evaluating a player correctly.
The move freed up $1.753 million on the 2022 CAP.
i think in about 12 months when the comp picks are released there are going to be some disappointed falcon fans.