Nice win last night and it was fun watching this group play together. I loved watching the 5 of McBride, Grimes, IQ, Gibson and Toppin. Would have been cool to see RJ play a small ball 4 with that lineup too. They definitely show promise. This offseason has major decisions though.
Randle- I think you have to cut bait. He's just too volatile and hard to build a young team around. I think he's still a good player, but its better to get out now then before its too late to get off that contract. You obviously want the most value but I would probably take "even" value just to move him this offseason.
RJ- Do you give him the max extension? I think you try to get him to take something less than the full max. You risk hurting the relationship but you still hold all the leverage with restricted free agency. But I would try to get him locked up with some compromise.
Robinson- the guy flashes big time but is just not consistent enough. I would be scared giving him a big deal too. I would also view centers as either elite ( true max guys) or go off MLE players, rookies or below. I don't think its wise to spend big on centers that aren't at the top. But maybe you get him a on team friendly deal- only a few teams this season have cap space.
his max is something like 5/180. That's crazy money for a guy who simply hasn't played well enough to justify that kind of financial commitment. John Collins got 5/125 from Atlanta. Bridges got 4/90. I think something in that range is fine.
his max is something like 5/180. That's crazy money for a guy who simply hasn't played well enough to justify that kind of financial commitment. John Collins got 5/125 from Atlanta. Bridges got 4/90. I think something in that range is fine.
think 5 for 140 to 150 range is fair
Giving undeserving players max contracts is how you send your team
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
his max is something like 5/180. That's crazy money for a guy who simply hasn't played well enough to justify that kind of financial commitment. John Collins got 5/125 from Atlanta. Bridges got 4/90. I think something in that range is fine.
RJ is 21 years old and averaging 24 points since January and has the most 30 point games under 21 years old.
He is on the cusp of being an All-star.
Pay that man his money
his max is something like 5/180. That's crazy money for a guy who simply hasn't played well enough to justify that kind of financial commitment. John Collins got 5/125 from Atlanta. Bridges got 4/90. I think something in that range is fine.
RJ is 21 years old and averaging 24 points since January and has the most 30 point games under 21 years old.
He is on the cusp of being an All-star.
Pay that man his money
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
RE: RE: Giving undeserving players max contracts is how you send your team
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
there are plenty of good young players that have taken non-max extensions. I don't see how it's an "insult" to RJ or anyone else to say:
"we don't think you're worth $180 million. Please try to get by on $120 million", lol.
see no realistic path for the Knicks to be a "good" NBA team with RJ and Randle being in the same lineup... as such... bye Julius.
Who might be a trade partner, though?
I continue to believe the Blazers are the most obvious trade partner.
Lillard still apparently wants to stay there. He'd 32 in July, the Blazers are likely going to want to add "proven" NBA talent to pair with him vs. "upside"
Lillard/Randle/Simons may not be "a big 3" but that's a good trio to build around near term.
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
there are plenty of good young players that have taken non-max extensions. I don't see how it's an "insult" to RJ or anyone else to say:
"we don't think you're worth $180 million. Please try to get by on $120 million", lol.
That's not how the NBA works though. And the Knicks are now going to draw a hard line with Barrett after the contracts they gave out last summer? He's going to ask for the max and either get it or get close to it one way or the other.
I'd be all over Zion. But what would New Orleans even want? More picks? How many times can that franchise rebuild with more picks? Just a guess, but I would think they would want some young players in return.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Giving undeserving players max contracts is how you send your team
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
there are plenty of good young players that have taken non-max extensions. I don't see how it's an "insult" to RJ or anyone else to say:
"we don't think you're worth $180 million. Please try to get by on $120 million", lol.
That's not how the NBA works though. And the Knicks are now going to draw a hard line with Barrett after the contracts they gave out last summer? He's going to ask for the max and either get it or get close to it one way or the other.
that is how the NBA has been working. Again, several good young players have gotten less or much less than the max (JJJ, Bridges, Collins, OG). These are players who are not only out-performing RJ, they're doing it on winning teams.
If Rose just hands him the max it will be a dumb move IMO.
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“I want to do it here,but there also comes a point that you also know that it becomes a business.And if you feel like the stars aren't aligned with that,then everybody's going to do what's best for them,regardless of what the money is.”
apparently Aller wanted the Knicks to go youth and Thibs laughed and mocked Aller..
How legit was the recent story about Thibs being here next year? Have to think if the kids show up the vets like they've been doing Thibs has to be at the end of his rope.
apparently Aller wanted the Knicks to go youth and Thibs laughed and mocked Aller..
How legit was the recent story about Thibs being here next year? Have to think if the kids show up the vets like they've been doing Thibs has to be at the end of his rope.
There needs to be a sitdown with Rose, Wes, and Aller with Thibs and basically tell him we are going with the youth and if you dont like it you can leavue but we are building around them..
Blatantly not playing Reddish because he didnt like the trade is baby shit..
2) I still can't believe Thibs is going to be here next season. I don't know how the FO could sell that to the fanbase.
3) I love his game, but man...Butler causes drama wherever he goes? Chicago...whose team is it? His or Rose? MN? That infamous practice the same day NBA Shoot Around is in town to interview him...76ers, implying that Simmons isn't serious (thought he was right on Ben). And now last night? Good grief.
4) Little interest in Zion unless we're getting him in a very friendly deal. His lower body injuries scare the hell out of me.
5) I'll believe Beal wants to be dealt when he comes out & asks for a trade.
I know you said you’ve become numb to Giant losses after a decade of struggles. Are you still living and dying and losing sleep over Knick games? I’d have to imagine it has waned in the last 20 years.
especially if he remains out and the team looks like they did the past couple of nights offensively, especially Obi..Just look at how effecient they were last night its amazing..
With Thibs if he agreed to a youth movement i would be fine because you know the team is going to play hard, play defense and at least we know they would bring it everynight..but if he is going to keep favoring vets over the kids we dont need him here, its clear the kids have surpassed the vets on this team and lets be real do we need vets? next year Rj 4th year, reddish 4th year, Obi 3rd year, quick 3rd, Grimes, grimes, mcbride 2nd and if Mitch came back his 5th...Bring back Fournier or Rose with them you got enough veteran players..
It is going to be very interesting to see what the Pelicans are looking for in a trade if they do decide to move Zion. With McCollum and Ingram already on the roster it could make sense for them to seek an established player that helps push them into the playoffs rather than starting over again with all youth.
Could they be enticed by Randle? They used Zion in more of a point forward role last year, Randle could definitely fill that role for them if that’s what they’re looking to continue to do. Perhaps you build a package around Randle, and multiple firsts for Zion and Nance’s expiring.
I know you said you’ve become numb to Giant losses after a decade of struggles. Are you still living and dying and losing sleep over Knick games? I’d have to imagine it has waned in the last 20 years.
Sean, no. I still watch 90% of Knicks games-either live or on DVR-but I've definitely been beaten down watching them since the early '00s. I had a ton of optimism going into this season, but that quickly evaporated. The franchise just can't seem to catch a break. Also, throw in Dolan....who is a complete clown who is so unlikable. Like the Giants, I still follow them religiously-I'm a member on Posting and Toasting-but I'm definitely in a 'Wait & see' mode when it comes to screaming about them again.
That Thibs/Aller info is from Yaron Weitzman, not Bondy.
It’s not surprising. Didn’t Wes supposedly go to Dolan to complain about Thibs? Nothing better than the HC and front office being on two completely pages. So hey, let’s bring everyone back next season! Typical Knicks
It’s not surprising. Didn’t Wes supposedly go to Dolan to complain about Thibs? Nothing better than the HC and front office being on two completely pages. So hey, let’s bring everyone back next season! Typical Knicks
I dont think they are bringing everyone back, i would be stunned jf Randle is back..
and if Thibs is back they are going to force his hand and get rid if some of these vets..
He is a head case and everyone knows it, I think the Knicks would need to take back some garbage.
Yes, and/or attach pick(s).
Randle's max 15% trade kicker, which applies to his entire four-year remaining contract balance, doesn't help. Knicks/Dolan would take the cash hit, with the cap consequence being borne by the acquiring team.
It's not going to be easy for this front office to face up to what is going to be needed to move Randle and the contract they handed him.
In other news, TOR beats CLE to tie for the sixth seed. Looking at schedules, I see TOR taking that seed, knocking CLE into the 7-8 game with BKN.
BKN takes that and then has a first round war with the #2 seed.
He is a head case and everyone knows it, I think the Knicks would need to take back some garbage.
Yes, and/or attach pick(s).
Randle's max 15% trade kicker, which applies to his entire four-year remaining contract balance, doesn't help. Knicks/Dolan would take the cash hit, with the cap consequence being borne by the acquiring team.
It's not going to be easy for this front office to face up to what is going to be needed to move Randle and the contract they handed him.
In other news, TOR beats CLE to tie for the sixth seed. Looking at schedules, I see TOR taking that seed, knocking CLE into the 7-8 game with BKN.
BKN takes that and then has a first round war with the #2 seed.
If you trade Randle on draft night there is no 15%trade kicker..
Also his likely kncentives in his new ckntract will become unlikely at the start of the new year, his cap hit would then only be 23 million
If you trade Randle on draft night there is no 15%trade kicker..
You have a reference or a specific knowledge of Randle's contract terms to support that?
Yeah its pretty simple, his new contract that has the trade kicker doesnt kick in until the new league year...If traded at the drsft its based om his current deal and becauae he is not becoming a free agent he is tradeable at the deadline
I’d be scared to death of taking him #1 overall. I’d go Smith or Ivey - Banchero is debatable.
If Chet Holmgren can't add some muscle, he'll be a speed bump in the NBA.
Banchero has the ability but something just seems missing with that guy, he just doesn't really play with much fire. In our two games against Duke, Jayden Gardner bullied him around despite giving up 5 inches to him.
There is not a chance in the world I'd bet against a 19 year old 7 footer getting thicker. Everybody grows. They said the same thing about Porzingis and he developed an NBA body as well.
I am firmly in the move Randle camp.
Randle- I think you have to cut bait. He's just too volatile and hard to build a young team around. I think he's still a good player, but its better to get out now then before its too late to get off that contract. You obviously want the most value but I would probably take "even" value just to move him this offseason.
RJ- Do you give him the max extension? I think you try to get him to take something less than the full max. You risk hurting the relationship but you still hold all the leverage with restricted free agency. But I would try to get him locked up with some compromise.
Robinson- the guy flashes big time but is just not consistent enough. I would be scared giving him a big deal too. I would also view centers as either elite ( true max guys) or go off MLE players, rookies or below. I don't think its wise to spend big on centers that aren't at the top. But maybe you get him a on team friendly deal- only a few teams this season have cap space.
think 5 for 140 to 150 range is fair
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
RJ is 21 years old and averaging 24 points since January and has the most 30 point games under 21 years old.
He is on the cusp of being an All-star.
Pay that man his money
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his max is something like 5/180. That's crazy money for a guy who simply hasn't played well enough to justify that kind of financial commitment. John Collins got 5/125 from Atlanta. Bridges got 4/90. I think something in that range is fine.
RJ is 21 years old and averaging 24 points since January and has the most 30 point games under 21 years old.
He is on the cusp of being an All-star.
Pay that man his money
yeah, that's dumb.
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
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into purgatory for years.
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
there are plenty of good young players that have taken non-max extensions. I don't see how it's an "insult" to RJ or anyone else to say:
"we don't think you're worth $180 million. Please try to get by on $120 million", lol.
Who might be a trade partner, though?
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see no realistic path for the Knicks to be a "good" NBA team with RJ and Randle being in the same lineup... as such... bye Julius.
Who might be a trade partner, though?
I continue to believe the Blazers are the most obvious trade partner.
Lillard still apparently wants to stay there. He'd 32 in July, the Blazers are likely going to want to add "proven" NBA talent to pair with him vs. "upside"
Lillard/Randle/Simons may not be "a big 3" but that's a good trio to build around near term.
Randle for Bledsoe, Josh Hart (non-guaranteed 2023 salary) (but also a good player) and a lottery protected #1 works for me.
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into purgatory for years.
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
there are plenty of good young players that have taken non-max extensions. I don't see how it's an "insult" to RJ or anyone else to say:
"we don't think you're worth $180 million. Please try to get by on $120 million", lol.
That's not how the NBA works though. And the Knicks are now going to draw a hard line with Barrett after the contracts they gave out last summer? He's going to ask for the max and either get it or get close to it one way or the other.
I'd be all over Zion. But what would New Orleans even want? More picks? How many times can that franchise rebuild with more picks? Just a guess, but I would think they would want some young players in return.
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into purgatory for years.
If RJ's agent is hard locked on getting the max, you move along. I don't see it any different than in the NFL. You get your rookie deal's length to set the table for how much you make on your second contract. He isn't a max contract guy. Hardworking player that has improved each season, but no way.
I totally agree but will the Knicks have the risk tolerance to take on that stance? They will still have his restricted rights, but do they want to piss off their best young player by far? Barrett also has one of the most powerful agents in the sport. They should be able to keep him regardless, but there is risk involved in letting him get to RFA.
The cap is also expected to increase big time in a few years. Some projections having it being bumped up by 50 million by 2025 with the new tv deal.
there are plenty of good young players that have taken non-max extensions. I don't see how it's an "insult" to RJ or anyone else to say:
"we don't think you're worth $180 million. Please try to get by on $120 million", lol.
That's not how the NBA works though. And the Knicks are now going to draw a hard line with Barrett after the contracts they gave out last summer? He's going to ask for the max and either get it or get close to it one way or the other.
that is how the NBA has been working. Again, several good young players have gotten less or much less than the max (JJJ, Bridges, Collins, OG). These are players who are not only out-performing RJ, they're doing it on winning teams.
If Rose just hands him the max it will be a dumb move IMO.
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Anyway we can get Beal, Zion and keep RJ?
How legit was the recent story about Thibs being here next year? Have to think if the kids show up the vets like they've been doing Thibs has to be at the end of his rope.
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apparently Aller wanted the Knicks to go youth and Thibs laughed and mocked Aller..
How legit was the recent story about Thibs being here next year? Have to think if the kids show up the vets like they've been doing Thibs has to be at the end of his rope.
There needs to be a sitdown with Rose, Wes, and Aller with Thibs and basically tell him we are going with the youth and if you dont like it you can leavue but we are building around them..
Blatantly not playing Reddish because he didnt like the trade is baby shit..
2) I still can't believe Thibs is going to be here next season. I don't know how the FO could sell that to the fanbase.
3) I love his game, but man...Butler causes drama wherever he goes? Chicago...whose team is it? His or Rose? MN? That infamous practice the same day NBA Shoot Around is in town to interview him...76ers, implying that Simmons isn't serious (thought he was right on Ben). And now last night? Good grief.
4) Little interest in Zion unless we're getting him in a very friendly deal. His lower body injuries scare the hell out of me.
5) I'll believe Beal wants to be dealt when he comes out & asks for a trade.
With Thibs if he agreed to a youth movement i would be fine because you know the team is going to play hard, play defense and at least we know they would bring it everynight..but if he is going to keep favoring vets over the kids we dont need him here, its clear the kids have surpassed the vets on this team and lets be real do we need vets? next year Rj 4th year, reddish 4th year, Obi 3rd year, quick 3rd, Grimes, grimes, mcbride 2nd and if Mitch came back his 5th...Bring back Fournier or Rose with them you got enough veteran players..
Let them rock and grow together
Could they be enticed by Randle? They used Zion in more of a point forward role last year, Randle could definitely fill that role for them if that’s what they’re looking to continue to do. Perhaps you build a package around Randle, and multiple firsts for Zion and Nance’s expiring.
Sean, no. I still watch 90% of Knicks games-either live or on DVR-but I've definitely been beaten down watching them since the early '00s. I had a ton of optimism going into this season, but that quickly evaporated. The franchise just can't seem to catch a break. Also, throw in Dolan....who is a complete clown who is so unlikable. Like the Giants, I still follow them religiously-I'm a member on Posting and Toasting-but I'm definitely in a 'Wait & see' mode when it comes to screaming about them again.
Oh ok thanks for clarifying, i just saw a snippet and it was given credit to Bondy
It’s not surprising. Didn’t Wes supposedly go to Dolan to complain about Thibs? Nothing better than the HC and front office being on two completely pages. So hey, let’s bring everyone back next season! Typical Knicks
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So it’s legit.
It’s not surprising. Didn’t Wes supposedly go to Dolan to complain about Thibs? Nothing better than the HC and front office being on two completely pages. So hey, let’s bring everyone back next season! Typical Knicks
I dont think they are bringing everyone back, i would be stunned jf Randle is back..
and if Thibs is back they are going to force his hand and get rid if some of these vets..
I still woukdnt be shocked if Thibs is let go
Unless the report was premature?
Yes, and/or attach pick(s).
Randle's max 15% trade kicker, which applies to his entire four-year remaining contract balance, doesn't help. Knicks/Dolan would take the cash hit, with the cap consequence being borne by the acquiring team.
It's not going to be easy for this front office to face up to what is going to be needed to move Randle and the contract they handed him.
In other news, TOR beats CLE to tie for the sixth seed. Looking at schedules, I see TOR taking that seed, knocking CLE into the 7-8 game with BKN.
BKN takes that and then has a first round war with the #2 seed.
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He is a head case and everyone knows it, I think the Knicks would need to take back some garbage.
Yes, and/or attach pick(s).
Randle's max 15% trade kicker, which applies to his entire four-year remaining contract balance, doesn't help. Knicks/Dolan would take the cash hit, with the cap consequence being borne by the acquiring team.
It's not going to be easy for this front office to face up to what is going to be needed to move Randle and the contract they handed him.
In other news, TOR beats CLE to tie for the sixth seed. Looking at schedules, I see TOR taking that seed, knocking CLE into the 7-8 game with BKN.
BKN takes that and then has a first round war with the #2 seed.
If you trade Randle on draft night there is no 15%trade kicker..
Also his likely kncentives in his new ckntract will become unlikely at the start of the new year, his cap hit would then only be 23 million
If you trade Randle on draft night there is no 15%trade kicker..
You have a reference or a specific knowledge of Randle's contract terms to support that?
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If you trade Randle on draft night there is no 15%trade kicker..
You have a reference or a specific knowledge of Randle's contract terms to support that?
Yeah its pretty simple, his new contract that has the trade kicker doesnt kick in until the new league year...If traded at the drsft its based om his current deal and becauae he is not becoming a free agent he is tradeable at the deadline
Thanks; that will add some suspense to draft night.
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Thanks; that will add some suspense to draft night.
Trade kickers really arent that big of a deal, teams will either add cash to offset or the player themselves will waive the kicker to make a deal work
Trade kickers really arent that big of a deal, teams will either add cash to offset or the player themselves will waive the kicker to make a deal work
Randle won't waive it and it's more significant when you are trying to move an undesirable commodity.
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Trade kickers really arent that big of a deal, teams will either add cash to offset or the player themselves will waive the kicker to make a deal work
Randle won't waive it and it's more significant when you are trying to move an undesirable commodity.
Sometimes yeah, but if he wants to be moved he will waive it..either way Knicks would either add cash or a couple of 2nds to a deal..
If Chet Holmgren can't add some muscle, he'll be a speed bump in the NBA.
Banchero has the ability but something just seems missing with that guy, he just doesn't really play with much fire. In our two games against Duke, Jayden Gardner bullied him around despite giving up 5 inches to him.
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There is not a chance in the world I'd bet against a 19 year old 7 footer getting thicker. Everybody grows. They said the same thing about Porzingis and he developed an NBA body as well.