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| Conspiracy theories aside, the Giants sounded the "Jones is gonna be just fine" sirens soon after Judge and Gettleman were gone in January. They did not, however, exercise the fifth-year option on Jones' rookie contract, something teams routinely do when they are completely satisfied with the progress of any young player, particularly a quarterback (unless they offer that player a hefty new deal instead). Jones ranked 26th in DVOA last year, his third straight season in the bottom quartile among starters. He ranked third-worst in failed completions and dead last among 34 qualified starters in ALEX. There were extenuating circumstances, like the inscrutable Judge, paint-by-numbers coordinator Jason Garrett, and another season behind a flimsy offensive line. There were also a few positive indicators. Per Sports Info Solutions, Jones ranked fifth in adjusted net yards per attempt on 15-plus-yard passes, ahead of Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford. Still, there aren't nearly enough splits to suggest that Jones is some undiscovered Josh Allen. Even Jones' rushing was a net negative according to DVOA and DYAR. The fifth-year option would cost the Giants a little over $22 million guaranteed in 2023. Failure to exercise the option makes Jones a free agent at the end of the 2022 season. If Jones enjoys a breakout year under Daboll and his staff, the Giants will probably be forced to franchise tag him at a salary of around $35 million. But if Jones cements his status among the bottom quartile of NFL starters and/or suffers through another injury-marred season, the Giants can move on for free. The Giants have until May 2 to decide. As of now, it sure appears that they are hedging in the direction of not anticipating that breakout season. Schoen and Daboll might simply have been waiting to see Jones in the building for a few days, healthy and bushy-tailed, before making their contract decision. Perhaps they are waiting until they process more contracts for players like Adoree' Jackson before they commit any 2023 money to Jones (and defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence, whose fifth-year option will cost the Giants around $11 million to exercise). They possibly have one eye on Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garoppolo if one becomes available for a third-day draft pick. There are also political factors. Owner John Mara, who hates being portrayed as a meddler but not enough to stop, thinks of Jones as Eli Manning Junior and his Giants as grand custodians of the sport who approach the development of young quarterbacks with old-fashioned patience and care. Mara has made it clear that he wants Jones to get an "intelligent evaluation" under better conditions. Daboll, meanwhile, has his Josh Allen-certified quarterback guru reputation to protect and enhance. Mara hired Daboll to turn Jones into Allen. Daboll knows it. So Daboll must be diplomatic about any potential pivot to Plan B. In summary, Jones isn't the Giants starting quarterback in 2022 because he's still a top prospect. He the Giants starter because: a) he's cheap in 2022; b) any replacement would cost money and resources the team doesn't have; and c) the guy who signs the checks loves him. |
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Mara hired Daboll to turn Jones into Allen. Daboll knows it. So Daboll must be diplomatic about any potential pivot to Plan B.
Just think how rich those three sentences are...
Mara hired Daboll. Wait, what about Schoen?
Daboll knows he has to turn Jones into Allen. Are you kidding me? Allen is infinity more talented than our game manager. There is no way Daboll can do the impossible.
Daboll and Schoen, I agree, are probably walking on eggshells on this decision with Jones because Mara has been very, very vocal the last month that he unequivocally think Jones is the answer at QB.
If Daboll and Schoen truly want to move on from DJ, they are really in shark invested waters at 125 Giants Way...
As usual you never fail to take the darkest leaps imaginable.
We of course don't know any of this shit to be true other than we know Mara said he "believes in Daniel Jones."
But yea, go ahead and make it into something it's not. We love to do that these days. "Shark infested waters"
Mara hired these people to do what they need to do in order to win. He hired OUTSIDERS...something 90% of BBI said Mara would never ever do.
Now BBI pivots to grumble about something else...now it's MAra will never let Jones be cast aside...
Remember when Mara wasn't going to let anyone draft a young QB because he loved Eli so much. Then 2019 happened, literally one year after half this place said those exact words.
Let it play out.
There isn't one owner in the NFL, if put on the spot right this second and one who owns a team with a "shaky starting QB" would come out and say anything other than "we believe in QB."
And if you think otherwise or think the owner should be more open and honest you're a fucking fool.
MAra did nothing here wrong. He offered up some lip service about his starting QB and of course these knuckleheads, with literally no true inside source to speak of, now can't wait to offer up some rumor or made up gossip mixed in with some a fact here and there, all staged to generate buzz.
These guys know nothing about the relationship with Mara and the front office.
If Daboll and Schoen truly want to move on from DJ, they are really in shark invested waters at 125 Giants Way...
On which market do you have to invest in sharks? Fulton Fish?
McVay made Goff look like an all pro (took a whole year+ until BB figured him out).
And, proven wrong annually.
He's the best QB on the team or at least the one with less known warts and he's cheap. The owner likes Jones because Jones acts like a pro. The owner wants him to succeed and in his limited ability to judge talent, thinks he hasn't gotten a fair shake the last 3 years. Is he really wrong? Can we just stop breathing in our own gas for one second and admit that Mara really didn't say anything wrong there? That even if you despise Jones and have a crystal ball telling you he's sunk cost, that it's fair to say the team was BAD around Jones? Ok fine, let's agree.
He's gonna probably fail but he's going to get one more shot because there's no one else here that's any better and behold! If Jones shits the bed over the first 2-3 weeks? The other QB will get a chance to show the world how ordinary he truly is.
"Let it play out!"
*It plays out poorly*
"Who could have possibly predicted this?!"
What does that mean. You got your wish. You got fresh new guys running the show.
Ok fine, cut the guy and let's go with tyrod taylor for 17 weeks.
And nothing changes. We still need a QB and just ate cap space for nothing.
This is why the "wait and see" crowd irks me. We had 4 years of decision making that was rightfully seen as horrible in real time, but were told to "wait and see." Well we waited and have seen, and the DG era Giants were a shit show of epic proportions. Waiting and seeing with DJ (and SB to some extent) is just continuing that era.
Now JS' hands are tied a bit, but it's a shame the first year of his tenure is going to be so marred by the failures of DG.
Good post. There really needs to be a full exorcism of everything DG.
Schoen and Daboll should go to Mara and say the best action for the team in 2022 is to "see you in 2023". They want a mulligan; and the cranes, wrecking balls and explosive experts are on the way do for the tear down.
Trying to thread the needle with some balance approach of part tear down/part trying to compete/part trying to build another team for Jones is very likely going to create even more drag on the situation. I'd be tremendously happy as a fan if 2022 is a year for tryouts of new and current talent.
- $8M in cap space (he's not an $8M player)
- snaps for another quarterback that might actually be part of the Giants' future
Keeping Jones as the quarterback in 2022 only makes sense of the motivation is to keep him long term. It makes no sense otherwise.
Who in the building is going to be motivated to keep Jones long term?
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This has become an annual plea.
"Let it play out!"
*It plays out poorly*
"Who could have possibly predicted this?!"
tell you what guys. Start a daily thread blasting all the people here that merely wanted to exhibit hope before a season, and get it off your chests. I mean you do it every day, might as well pin a thread.
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This has become an annual plea.
What does that mean. You got your wish. You got fresh new guys running the show.
Ok fine, cut the guy and let's go with tyrod taylor for 17 weeks.
And nothing changes. We still need a QB and just ate cap space for nothing.
Are there new people running the show? Jones being the QB in 2022 doesn't fill me with confidence.
And for the record Taylor is a better player than Jones.
- $8M in cap space (he's not an $8M player)
- snaps for another quarterback that might actually be part of the Giants' future
Keeping Jones as the quarterback in 2022 only makes sense of the motivation is to keep him long term. It makes no sense otherwise.
Who in the building is going to be motivated to keep Jones long term?
I don't think you're getting anything for Jones.
Ok fine, Schoen and Daboll tremble in fear of Mara and don't dare suggest trading him or cutting him.
that's where we are now? That's what I am supposed to believe? then what's the fucking point in even rooting for NYG anymore?
Maybe you're stretching things a bit simply because you cannot fathom that this new staff simply want to see Jones for one more year? Is that even remotely possible or are we going down this weird conspiracy path? I can't think that way.
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This has become an annual plea.
What does that mean. You got your wish. You got fresh new guys running the show.
Ok fine, cut the guy and let's go with tyrod taylor for 17 weeks.
And nothing changes. We still need a QB and just ate cap space for nothing.
Are there new people running the show? Jones being the QB in 2022 doesn't fill me with confidence.
And for the record Taylor is a better player than Jones.
Taylor is older. He's a finished product. Jones might not be but I know you disagree there. We all know it. I suspect he's finished too, but ...i'm done...bye!
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This has become an annual plea.
"Let it play out!"
*It plays out poorly*
"Who could have possibly predicted this?!"
tell you what guys. Start a daily thread blasting all the people here that merely wanted to exhibit hope before a season, and get it off your chests. I mean you do it every day, might as well pin a thread.
No one gives a shit about your hope or what anyone is rooting for. It has no bearing on anything. What we root for isn't what's real.
Try and pretend you aren't a Giant fan for ten minutes and take an honest objective look at the organization. That is the perspective that would inform all our posts.
Who gives a shit what we're hoping or rooting for?
Terps….with all due respect, there are a lot of uncertainties out there wit DJ and the 2022 QB class. I trust the judgement of Shoen and Daboll. This is a brand new job for both of them, and I don’t think they want to screw this one up. Lot of tepid enthusiasm with this years QB class with most ‘draft pundits’, and that’s not a coincidence. If Shoen and Daboll feel DJ is not the guy, then they will cut bait. I would be very surprised if the draft a QB high in this draft. Most of us could be wrong, but the team needs to do the right thing either way.
What happens is every year you tell us to wait and see. Then around week 4 you melt down and talk about how embarrassed you are. Then in the spring you tell us to wait and see.
Just can't take you seriously.
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This has become an annual plea.
"Let it play out!"
*It plays out poorly*
"Who could have possibly predicted this?!"
tell you what guys. Start a daily thread blasting all the people here that merely wanted to exhibit hope before a season, and get it off your chests. I mean you do it every day, might as well pin a thread.
This is what gets me. It's not a matter of having hope or being optimistic. The "always pessimistic" group looks at a dog turd and calls it a dog turd, while certain posters scream and shout that it's a Snickers bar and that anyone who disagrees is a mental midget.
Don't conflate having hope with ignoring evidence. They're not the same
I said my peace. I don't even like Jones long term here at all....but the middle ground take doesn't jive with the extreme take.
And I still think it's too early to conclude anything about this off-season. Jones could be traded tomorrow for all we know.
Or, he's the best qb on the team and the staff knows this based on their observation. I mean we're talking Tyrod Fucking Taylor here and a supposed weaker QB draft class, although that's not etched in stone either.
Whatever works. Hope everything works out for NYG in the end. That's all I want.
I think Daboll truly thinks he can make Jones better.....not because of Jones....but that is how good coaches think.
Committing to him for 30+ million scares the hell our of me.
But 20 million seems to offer the Giants some options. I still hold out hope....he can settle in the middle of the pack....win with a good team around him.
Very curious to see how these teams with 25+million commutted to WRs do?
He's not even the best QB on the roster already.
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This has become an annual plea.
"Let it play out!"
*It plays out poorly*
"Who could have possibly predicted this?!"
tell you what guys. Start a daily thread blasting all the people here that merely wanted to exhibit hope before a season, and get it off your chests. I mean you do it every day, might as well pin a thread.
This is what gets me. It's not a matter of having hope or being optimistic. The "always pessimistic" group looks at a dog turd and calls it a dog turd, while certain posters scream and shout that it's a Snickers bar and that anyone who disagrees is a mental midget.
Don't conflate having hope with ignoring evidence. They're not the same
There was evidence of positive play in 2020. People hoped for a good 2021 get over it.
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This has become an annual plea.
"Let it play out!"
*It plays out poorly*
"Who could have possibly predicted this?!"
tell you what guys. Start a daily thread blasting all the people here that merely wanted to exhibit hope before a season, and get it off your chests. I mean you do it every day, might as well pin a thread.
This is what gets me. It's not a matter of having hope or being optimistic. The "always pessimistic" group looks at a dog turd and calls it a dog turd, while certain posters scream and shout that it's a Snickers bar and that anyone who disagrees is a mental midget.
Don't conflate having hope with ignoring evidence. They're not the same
There’s evidence on both sides but you guys just talk in absolutes and ignore them or say they aren’t relative to fit your narrative. Most of the Jones “supporters” here have never said re-sign him or don’t draft a QB this year
1) Sign Jones 5th year option
2) Don't acquire 2023 1st rounder for potential 2023 draft of QB
3) Don't draft QB in any round in 2022
4) 2022 draft is "offense heavy" with multiple from OL, WR and TE taken in rounds 1 through 3.
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99) Acquire Garoppolo, Mayfield etc and either include Jones in trade or cut him
100) Trade Jones for any pick possible and cut if there are no takers and name Tyrod Taylor the starter
This is what gets me. It's not a matter of having hope or being optimistic. The "always pessimistic" group looks at a dog turd and calls it a dog turd, while certain posters scream and shout that it's a Snickers bar and that anyone who disagrees is a mental midget.
Don't conflate having hope with ignoring evidence. They're not the same
Sound about right? LEt's call it like it is. That's the take I am supposed to buy right now?
I can't do that. I think Mara likes Jones but I think he would allow this regime to do whatever the fuck they want, but maybe I am wrong. I always allow for that possibility because I am not in the room with them all. I think this is a pretty balanced way to look at things.
"As owner he is entitled to his opinion, but I disagree?"
If you have ever worked in any organization outside the military with a hierarchy, you know everything is not a direct order. It is ridiculous to think they would come in and tell the owner they think he is wrong without trying to fix Jones, because Mara believes his struggles are someone else's fault.
Mara shutting up about personnel matters would be the best thing he could do, but that is not how he operates. He always needs to be the dullard behind the curtain.
Coughlin was losing to the Redskins going 0-3....and probably fired....but pulled out game, made playoff....and stopped an unstoppable NE team.....
I do not except sniffing a playoff run but
Great draft
Fix OL
Modern offense
Pretty easy schedule
Stay healthy
And a Wink defense
I will hold out hope before burying team in 2022.
Yep.
QBs on Rookie deals is a massive advantage. See KC.
Most of those QBs have shown enough that the could win a SB. What's the point of $22M for yet another show me?
It's not just performance with DJ, though that's a huge factor. It's also health. Why pick up that option only to watch him miss a huge chunk of the season yet again?
If DJ somehow has a monster season this year and gets tagged, the Giants can then extend him and their 2023 cap hit will still be lower than the 5y option.
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This is what gets me. It's not a matter of having hope or being optimistic. The "always pessimistic" group looks at a dog turd and calls it a dog turd, while certain posters scream and shout that it's a Snickers bar and that anyone who disagrees is a mental midget.
Don't conflate having hope with ignoring evidence. They're not the same
Just save me the bullshit that negative fans predicting doom and gloom are always correct. I've been rooting for NYG for 40 years now and seen this team defy the expectations of many countless times.
I was told right here that the 2011 Giants were going to suck ass. 2007 team was dead men walking. 2005 team was not ready yet.
It aint that easy. Bravo, some of you were right about DG's Giants. Congratulations?
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This is what gets me. It's not a matter of having hope or being optimistic. The "always pessimistic" group looks at a dog turd and calls it a dog turd, while certain posters scream and shout that it's a Snickers bar and that anyone who disagrees is a mental midget.
Don't conflate having hope with ignoring evidence. They're not the same
Just save me the bullshit that negative fans predicting doom and gloom are always correct. I've been rooting for NYG for 40 years now and seen this team defy the expectations of many countless times.
I was told right here that the 2011 Giants were going to suck ass. 2007 team was dead men walking. 2005 team was not ready yet.
It aint that easy. Bravo, some of you were right about DG's Giants. Congratulations?
When was the last time the doom and gloom fans (or as some might call them, realistic humans) were wrong?
either go young and cheap or go big. that's why I would have given serious thought to big game QB hunting. I'd rather pay big for the star then pay kinda big for the dud.
Sound about right? LEt's call it like it is. That's the take I am supposed to buy right now?
I can't do that. I think Mara likes Jones but I think he would allow this regime to do whatever the fuck they want, but maybe I am wrong. I always allow for that possibility because I am not in the room with them all. I think this is a pretty balanced way to look at things.
See I’m torn on this. I mean Mara’s track record tells me not to think anything is actually different this time and he and Chris will still make all the major decisions. He’s already voice his opinion to the media about things that should never be discussed by him. On the contrary he didn’t interview one candidate he had ties to so that gives me hope. I hope Schoen and Daboll would have had the common sense to have some kind of agreement of the hierarchy of decisions when they took the job. I mean would you ever want to be a GM or coach here based on the way Mara operates? If nothing changes we will be looking for a new coach and/or GM in 2 years
I said my peace. I don't even like Jones long term here at all....but the middle ground take doesn't jive with the extreme take.
And I still think it's too early to conclude anything about this off-season. Jones could be traded tomorrow for all we know.
Or, he's the best qb on the team and the staff knows this based on their observation. I mean we're talking Tyrod Fucking Taylor here and a supposed weaker QB draft class, although that's not etched in stone either.
Whatever works. Hope everything works out for NYG in the end. That's all I want.
Are you fucking serious?
DG ran the team into the ground. Took a bad team and made it the worst for his tenure. What part of football do you actually understand? It's not the cap. It's the roster. It's not the management. What part is it?
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This is what gets me. It's not a matter of having hope or being optimistic. The "always pessimistic" group looks at a dog turd and calls it a dog turd, while certain posters scream and shout that it's a Snickers bar and that anyone who disagrees is a mental midget.
Don't conflate having hope with ignoring evidence. They're not the same
Just save me the bullshit that negative fans predicting doom and gloom are always correct. I've been rooting for NYG for 40 years now and seen this team defy the expectations of many countless times.
I was told right here that the 2011 Giants were going to suck ass. 2007 team was dead men walking. 2005 team was not ready yet.
It aint that easy. Bravo, some of you were right about DG's Giants. Congratulations?
When was the last time the doom and gloom fans (or as some might call them, realistic humans) were wrong?
2016, probably. Why? Do we need to give out more props?
Most of time there was bickering here not because someone felt the team was going to suck, but how it was delivered day after day here. To be fair it can go both ways.
Whatever...good luck.
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i'm not being objective but i can't go one thread without saying every player drafted by DG is trash.
I said my peace. I don't even like Jones long term here at all....but the middle ground take doesn't jive with the extreme take.
And I still think it's too early to conclude anything about this off-season. Jones could be traded tomorrow for all we know.
Or, he's the best qb on the team and the staff knows this based on their observation. I mean we're talking Tyrod Fucking Taylor here and a supposed weaker QB draft class, although that's not etched in stone either.
Whatever works. Hope everything works out for NYG in the end. That's all I want.
Are you fucking serious?
DG ran the team into the ground. Took a bad team and made it the worst for his tenure. What part of football do you actually understand? It's not the cap. It's the roster. It's not the management. What part is it?
WTF are you talking about? Pick a fight with someone else. I never defended DG.
Presumably yes, but that pick wouldn't come until 2024. So if there was a trade market for him right now, it would be two years sooner, and the general rule of thumb is that each year of delay is worth a round when it comes to draft pick trades, so getting a 5th for him this year would theoretically be the equivalent of a 2024 3rd, which is the highest possible comp pick - and if Darnold and Rosen each garnered 2nds, I'd have to think that DJ would fetch at least a 4th even with Jimmy and Baker hanging out there.
Just save me the bullshit that negative fans predicting doom and gloom are always correct. I've been rooting for NYG for 40 years now and seen this team defy the expectations of many countless times.
I was told right here that the 2011 Giants were going to suck ass. 2007 team was dead men walking. 2005 team was not ready yet.
It aint that easy. Bravo, some of you were right about DG's Giants. Congratulations?
I'm really not in the "being right business" around here.
Now, I'm not hesitant to put my ass on the line about situations, and thus be held accountable when I am wrong (which occurs plenty); but I do not keep score.
I evaluate the circumstances and try to make reasonable conclusions. Do I add colorful language for effect? Sure. But Mara deserves to be crushed with the best language available since he's firmly secured a position as one of the worst owners in professional sports.
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i'm not being objective but i can't go one thread without saying every player drafted by DG is trash.
I said my peace. I don't even like Jones long term here at all....but the middle ground take doesn't jive with the extreme take.
And I still think it's too early to conclude anything about this off-season. Jones could be traded tomorrow for all we know.
Or, he's the best qb on the team and the staff knows this based on their observation. I mean we're talking Tyrod Fucking Taylor here and a supposed weaker QB draft class, although that's not etched in stone either.
Whatever works. Hope everything works out for NYG in the end. That's all I want.
Are you fucking serious?
DG ran the team into the ground. Took a bad team and made it the worst for his tenure. What part of football do you actually understand? It's not the cap. It's the roster. It's not the management. What part is it?
DG never got us a 2nd overall pick.
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i'm not being objective but i can't go one thread without saying every player drafted by DG is trash.
I said my peace. I don't even like Jones long term here at all....but the middle ground take doesn't jive with the extreme take.
And I still think it's too early to conclude anything about this off-season. Jones could be traded tomorrow for all we know.
Or, he's the best qb on the team and the staff knows this based on their observation. I mean we're talking Tyrod Fucking Taylor here and a supposed weaker QB draft class, although that's not etched in stone either.
Whatever works. Hope everything works out for NYG in the end. That's all I want.
Are you fucking serious?
DG ran the team into the ground. Took a bad team and made it the worst for his tenure. What part of football do you actually understand? It's not the cap. It's the roster. It's not the management. What part is it?
Need to address this again and say WTF one more? Where Did I say it wasn't mgmt?
I said any fan that says "all players drafted by DG are trash" needs some perspective.
DG was awful but a few players drafted by him are worth keeping.
BYE! SMOOCHES!!
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i'm not being objective but i can't go one thread without saying every player drafted by DG is trash.
I said my peace. I don't even like Jones long term here at all....but the middle ground take doesn't jive with the extreme take.
And I still think it's too early to conclude anything about this off-season. Jones could be traded tomorrow for all we know.
Or, he's the best qb on the team and the staff knows this based on their observation. I mean we're talking Tyrod Fucking Taylor here and a supposed weaker QB draft class, although that's not etched in stone either.
Whatever works. Hope everything works out for NYG in the end. That's all I want.
Are you fucking serious?
DG ran the team into the ground. Took a bad team and made it the worst for his tenure. What part of football do you actually understand? It's not the cap. It's the roster. It's not the management. What part is it?
WTF are you talking about? Pick a fight with someone else. I never defended DG.
Uhhh...
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i'm not being objective but i can't go one thread without saying every player drafted by DG is trash.
I said my peace. I don't even like Jones long term here at all....but the middle ground take doesn't jive with the extreme take.
And I still think it's too early to conclude anything about this off-season. Jones could be traded tomorrow for all we know.
Or, he's the best qb on the team and the staff knows this based on their observation. I mean we're talking Tyrod Fucking Taylor here and a supposed weaker QB draft class, although that's not etched in stone either.
Whatever works. Hope everything works out for NYG in the end. That's all I want.
Are you fucking serious?
DG ran the team into the ground. Took a bad team and made it the worst for his tenure. What part of football do you actually understand? It's not the cap. It's the roster. It's not the management. What part is it?
DG never got us a 2nd overall pick.
DG never won more than 5 games. DG never got us 2 SBs.
DG was the worst GM in the NFL, and potentially the worst GM in Giants history.
Relax, Saquads.
Imagine finding more enjoyment in BBI blowing up than actually having the Giants be good.
You tipped your hand.
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Just save me the bullshit that negative fans predicting doom and gloom are always correct. I've been rooting for NYG for 40 years now and seen this team defy the expectations of many countless times.
I was told right here that the 2011 Giants were going to suck ass. 2007 team was dead men walking. 2005 team was not ready yet.
It aint that easy. Bravo, some of you were right about DG's Giants. Congratulations?
I'm really not in the "being right business" around here.
Now, I'm not hesitant to put my ass on the line about situations, and thus be held accountable when I am wrong (which occurs plenty); but I do not keep score.
I evaluate the circumstances and try to make reasonable conclusions. Do I add colorful language for effect? Sure. But Mara deserves to be crushed with the best language available since he's firmly secured a position as one of the worst owners in professional sports.
That's fine i agree with this word for word. And for the record I might call you out a lot but in the end I think you're a good poster here. You own your takes. I'd like to think I do too but maybe I am guilty of rambling or sort of drifting into rantville. I try to own that too and even go as far to apologize to people here if things get heated.
If I see something I don't agree with I am going to post. I am wrong at times and right at times. When I see people pile on and say that MAra has forced the hand of Schoen, I am going to call it out or at least examine this take.
Having to then return volley on how bad the franchise has been is tiresome. We know that already.