Good news that it's getting away from DirecTV...but very bad news for the ~50% of Smart phone users who have Android OS phones..
The Mets broadcast was an absolute debacle from a technical perspective. No ability to pause or rewind, constant buffering and crashing. Hope they figure out some sort of Android app solution if this deal goes through.
Would have preferred Amazon or Youtube...
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In comment 15670113 UConn4523 said:
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
Everybody complaining about the supposed lack of a DVR obviously doesn’t understand how streaming on sports typically is made available.
As anyone who has ESPN+, fuboTV, Paramount Plus, YouTubeTV, or the streaming versions of NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, or Extra Innings/MLB.tv already knows, these services all have the ability to start from beginning even mid-game, have all DVR functionality, archived games etc.
In many ways it is in fact better than a DVR because you don’t even need to set it or do anything and it’s there.
Yes.. but anyone familiar with Apple's foray into live sports with MLB Friday games this year will tell you that they have a long way to go to improve their offering which was essentially the equivalent of an over the air live broadcast...
If they improve it, and find a way to get an app onto the 130 million Android phones in the US, then there will indeed be no issue...
And yes it will already be better than DTV no matter what and yes it will be worth paying for... no doubt.
But Amazon or Google would have been more attractive landing spots IMO...
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In comment 15670132 Snablats said:
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In comment 15670113 UConn4523 said:
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
Everybody complaining about the supposed lack of a DVR obviously doesn’t understand how streaming on sports typically is made available.
As anyone who has ESPN+, fuboTV, Paramount Plus, YouTubeTV, or the streaming versions of NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, or Extra Innings/MLB.tv already knows, these services all have the ability to start from beginning even mid-game, have all DVR functionality, archived games etc.
In many ways it is in fact better than a DVR because you don’t even need to set it or do anything and it’s there.
Yes.. but anyone familiar with Apple's foray into live sports with MLB Friday games this year will tell you that they have a long way to go to improve their offering which was essentially the equivalent of an over the air live broadcast...
If they improve it, and find a way to get an app onto the 130 million Android phones in the US, then there will indeed be no issue...
And yes it will already be better than DTV no matter what and yes it will be worth paying for... no doubt.
But Amazon or Google would have been more attractive landing spots IMO...
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an ugly ass dish on my roof is a homerun. Glad to see this is close to a done deal. Would be cool if they add red zone to this also so that can be in 4K too.
You do realize that if you have a 4k device or tv it doesn’t mean the games are in 4k. In fact, they’re not even in 1080p. They are in 720p or 1080i and then upscaled
The implication is that Apple would invest in 4k streaming option for football, something Direct TV didn't do. I don't think this is a fact, but I can guarantee it will happen sooner with Apple than it would as is.
Isn't it incumbent on the broadcasters to provide 4k streams? So Apple would have to lean on Fox/CBS/NBC.
For instance, super bowl is in 4k when fox has it but not CBS because they haven't invested in 4k at all for football
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
There is literally nothing proprietary about the Apple TV app.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
This is incorrect. If you have a smart tv that is older than 3 years, you may not be able to download apple TV. My sony is from 2017 and does not support apple tv. The apple tv website said tvs older than 3 years may not support them
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
Seeing as how they stole the interface for the Mac from Xerox that would certainly be on brand for them
They'll call it "iPause" but it will only be supported by the very latest version of AppleTV, which will not be supported on any television built before 2022.
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
Exactly... I'm not afraid of Apple...I actually subscribe to Apple TV+..
I just would like them to have an App for my phone.
Imagine if Apple devices didn't have a YouTube app. That's analogous to what we're talking about here and I think some folks are not understanding it ..
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
So use a different browser? What does that take, 30 seconds to download for free? Or just buy a Roku and get the app, lol.
By the way, smart TV apps suck in general, you should have a 3rd party device anyway.
You listened to that hot garbage, then watched it?? You're a mosaicist.
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
So use a different browser? What does that take, 30 seconds to download for free? Or just buy a Roku and get the app, lol.
By the way, smart TV apps suck in general, you should have a 3rd party device anyway.
How do you hook a Roku to a phone??
I do have Rokus and watching on TVs is not the problem. It is watching on Android, Chrome, and Windows OS that is an issue.
For instance right now I'm in the Philly airport watching the Mets PIP and typing this. Can't do that with Apple TV.
I also don't care to watch football on a tiny mobile screen so this doesn't apply to me at all. And by the time it does, i'm guessing a solution will exist for everybody if it doesn't already.
But to be dismissive and judgemental of Android users, calling us dumb or scared of apple or something while refusing to acknowledge that there is indeed a difference is just kinda silly..
Proper response is simply "oh I can see how that would be disappointing vs an alternative for Android users, hopefully apple works something out"
I also don't care to watch football on a tiny mobile screen so this doesn't apply to me at all. And by the time it does, i'm guessing a solution will exist for everybody if it doesn't already.
Yes you can...and it was absolutely horrible for the Mets game a couple weeks ago .. that's what I said in the OP..
No one debates it...it's just bad, as I said in OP
Agreed ..I'm happy to pay whatever they decide to watch the Giants...but want to do so with a product as good as MLB.TV, which apples current offering is not
Watching sports on a phone doesn't interest me even as an iPhone user. I bought a premium TV to watch premium content including sports. My phone is backup when traveling which is seldom and never on Sundays. If you were to tell me that in those rare occasions I can still access the game, albeit in a wonky but legal way, that's really not that big of a deal.
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In comment 15670564 Gatorade Dunk said:
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
Apple TV app doesn't exist for android phones. What the hell are you talking about? And it only works with certain browsers, so if you use Brave or something like that, you are shit out of luck.
This is literally from the apple website:
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On a Windows PC (including Microsoft Surface), Chrome OS device, or Android device, you can watch Apple TV+ in the Chrome and Firefox web browsers.
So use a different browser? What does that take, 30 seconds to download for free? Or just buy a Roku and get the app, lol.
By the way, smart TV apps suck in general, you should have a 3rd party device anyway.
The answer shouldn't be use a different browser. The answer should be that Apple shouldn't be passive aggressively trying to get people on to apple phones by creating a different user experience based on which device you choose to buy. That's their MO though, they try to kneecap the competition by claiming privacy or other issues.
At the end of the day, I think Apple will offer an Android app if they win the rights, but it's not exactly unfound paranoia that they won't because there is plenty of precedence of them prioritizing their devices at the expense of others.
I'm all set-up at home with devices for Apple TV, that is not the issue. I am not using any TV apps because smart TV apps suck. I have a chromecast with google TV, a third party device. It's strictly an android mobile issue for people on the go.
I'll reassess once this all goes down and can experience it for myself.
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You don't need an Apple TV device for Apple TV.
You need literally any streaming device and you can download the Apple TV app.
JFC, the Android fanboys are so afraid of Apple that they haven't even figured out that Apple TV is basically the same as Hulu or Prime or Peacock or any other streaming service?
Just another one of life's IQ tests that the green bubble crowd tends to fail.
This is incorrect. If you have a smart tv that is older than 3 years, you may not be able to download apple TV. My sony is from 2017 and does not support apple tv. The apple tv website said tvs older than 3 years may not support them
Buy a roku for $30.
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
You're pulling your own pants down.
You won't have to buy any new equipment unless you're some sort of borderline luddite who hasn't upgraded their home theater in a decade.
So yeah if you have a Chromecast with Google TV you are ok, but as I mentioned before Apple does not seem to have any interest in playing nice with Android.
I would imagine that they'll release something for Android but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't for years and if they did, it would be a second rate experience on Android phones.
You don't have to watch on your phone. Full stop.
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In comment 15670113 UConn4523 said:
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I'll reserve judgement on a DVR option until, you know, we actually know the details? And a roku is $20, should be an afterthought after paying what sunday ticket costs every year.
What company solves all issues for all people? If you aren't willing to be a tad flexible you are going to be disappointed with most purchases in life.
You think Apple will give us Sunday Ticket for free? No, we still have to pay for it and wont get any discounts that Directv has given many of us through the years. And now many of us will have to purchase more equipment
So we have to be flexible by having less options to see the game. We have to be flexible by not being able to DVR the games. What happened to your "now we will be in 2022" argument?
Everybody complaining about the supposed lack of a DVR obviously doesn’t understand how streaming on sports typically is made available.
As anyone who has ESPN+, fuboTV, Paramount Plus, YouTubeTV, or the streaming versions of NBA League Pass, NHL Center Ice, or Extra Innings/MLB.tv already knows, these services all have the ability to start from beginning even mid-game, have all DVR functionality, archived games etc.
In many ways it is in fact better than a DVR because you don’t even need to set it or do anything and it’s there.
Yes.. but anyone familiar with Apple's foray into live sports with MLB Friday games this year will tell you that they have a long way to go to improve their offering which was essentially the equivalent of an over the air live broadcast...
If they improve it, and find a way to get an app onto the 130 million Android phones in the US, then there will indeed be no issue...
And yes it will already be better than DTV no matter what and yes it will be worth paying for... no doubt.
But Amazon or Google would have been more attractive landing spots IMO...
BIG difference is that there were only a couple of weeks between announcement of Friday Night MLB package and the first streaming broadcast (so hiccups not surprising), but there will be more than a year and a half until the first ATV+ Sunday Ticket broadcast. I'd be stunned if there are anything remotely like those problems when the NFL on Apple kicks off . . .
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Full stop.
So yeah if you have a Chromecast with Google TV you are ok, but as I mentioned before Apple does not seem to have any interest in playing nice with Android.
I would imagine that they'll release something for Android but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't for years and if they did, it would be a second rate experience on Android phones.
You don't have to watch on your phone. Full stop.
Thanks for telling me how I should consume sports content. Full dickhead. Go back to telling android users that an app for them exists when it doesn't.
Apple is a ruthless tech behemoth that has succeeded in the competitive landscape by mastering one thing in particular. They dumb down their product lines and offerings to give the simplest option to the largest number of people. And if you want something outside of the brand offering, or have more complicated needs, it's tough shit, they don't give a fuck about that kind of consumer. Their products are not generally feature-rich and customizable.
The off-brand consumer is considered niche and unimportant.
So, for example, if they decide most people want to watch one or two out of market teams, rather than all of the games, they will focus on providing that option, and might not retain (or keep affordable) the option to scan all the games.
I am someone who likes to surf all the games every Sunday. It is highly likely that there are not a lot of people who want the same thing, and for Apple, they may charge for every game, and that could bludgeon consumers like me. And when we say, but what about us, how can we watch a bit every game. live, affordably, we'll get back the classic Apple and Apple fanboy response, "Why would you want to do that?"
Well that's how I want to enjoy NFL Sundays. And Direct TVs web based product has worked pretty flawlessly in that manner for almost 20 years for me. If Apple fucks that up for me, I'll be pretty bitter.
The current option is broken beyond belief so whatever Apple does with it will be an immediate improvement for a boatload of people. Some people won’t like but, but more people don’t like the way it is now.
The last 20 years has been fucking great. I watched every game for $300 bucks. And the interface for the web based folks worked well. What was the disaster?
The disaster will be when Apple comes in and kills the thing that was great about Sunday Ticket. So they can make more money. And we can have fewer options with a better interface.
Apple is a ruthless tech behemoth that has succeeded in the competitive landscape by mastering one thing in particular. They dumb down their product lines and offerings to give the simplest option to the largest number of people. And if you want something outside of the brand offering, or have more complicated needs, it's tough shit, they don't give a fuck about that kind of consumer. Their products are not generally feature-rich and customizable.
The off-brand consumer is considered niche and unimportant.
So, for example, if they decide most people want to watch one or two out of market teams, rather than all of the games, they will focus on providing that option, and might not retain (or keep affordable) the option to scan all the games.
I am someone who likes to surf all the games every Sunday. It is highly likely that there are not a lot of people who want the same thing, and for Apple, they may charge for every game, and that could bludgeon consumers like me. And when we say, but what about us, how can we watch a bit every game. live, affordably, we'll get back the classic Apple and Apple fanboy response, "Why would you want to do that?"
Well that's how I want to enjoy NFL Sundays. And Direct TVs web based product has worked pretty flawlessly in that manner for almost 20 years for me. If Apple fucks that up for me, I'll be pretty bitter.
Remember that the NFL has leverage here also, and there is absolutely zero chance that anything less than all of the out of market games every Sunday, and there will absolutely be that option available, with likely a single-team season option and weekly a la carte option as well.
There is no way that the league is agreeing to any contractual terms that would result in a contraction of the number of games currently available -- only way that happens is if they move more games to weeknights, and those wouldn't be on DTV anyway (and won't happen for years if at all given new TV contracts).
And there is no way that the league is permitting any TV or streaming partner to jack up prices substantially beyond the neighborhood that has been established historically by Sunday Ticket/DTV over the years. The blowback just wouldn't be worth it to the league, as there are numerous other parties who could have won the deal.
Moreover, the business model that you ascribe to Apple in the device/software/OS space -- where it is one of just a handful of dominant players -- is inapposite to the NFL rights space, where there are multiple rights holders, including Amazon, that the NFL dictates production/distrbution terms to and whom the league has to treat relatively equally,
I think your concerns are way overblown.
The last 20 years has been fucking great. I watched every game for $300 bucks. And the interface for the web based folks worked well. What was the disaster?
The disaster will be when Apple comes in and kills the thing that was great about Sunday Ticket. So they can make more money. And we can have fewer options with a better interface.
What in life has been a constant for 20 years? Your expectation is unrealistic. And moving into 4K and who knows what else they have planned, that should also be included at your current rate?
This isn’t an Apple issue. Your currently taking advantage of a bad business model that wasn’t going to last forever.
“Hey Siri, put the Papa and Banks audio feed on the Giants game”. This is gonna be great!
I don't know what is right or wrong or what is going to happen in the future. I am just telling you what Apple's business model is - correctly. And if they continue on the same trajectory, it won't be good for people who want to scan all the games.
Regis - I will be totally thrilled to be wrong.
UConn - Apple can choose to make a wider offering affordable. It's BS to say they can't do something DirectTV can do. Don't make excuses for their greed.
It’s not about giving into or excusing greed, it’s about recognizing reality. What else in life have you paid the same rate for for 20 years? Personally I can’t think of anything. And I expect the experience and quality to be better so why wouldn’t that be something that would cost more?
I don’t get this mentality that the consumer is somehow owed a break. You aren’t entitled to the best content at the lowest rate. And this could all be much to do about nothing anyway. Apple TV+ is currently $5 per month, which is slightly above free. I don’t know how they will price it in but it’s currently extremely affordable. They want more users so I anticipate the price being favorable.
It’s not about giving into or excusing greed, it’s about recognizing reality. What else in life have you paid the same rate for for 20 years? Personally I can’t think of anything. And I expect the experience and quality to be better so why wouldn’t that be something that would cost more?
I don’t get this mentality that the consumer is somehow owed a break. You aren’t entitled to the best content at the lowest rate. And this could all be much to do about nothing anyway. Apple TV+ is currently $5 per month, which is slightly above free. I don’t know how they will price it in but it’s currently extremely affordable. They want more users so I anticipate the price being favorable.
You keep making excuses. Look, I'm not an unreasonable man. I get there is inflation, etc. I think it's fair to pay a little bit more. But I think you are fuzzy on market economics. I am saying that Apple, a ruthless profit seeker, won't offer the same product. They will offer their version of the product tailored to the simplest, wide-ranging consumer. That will be priced, based on what? Answer, what people will pay. So that will be a higher price point from the jump. Maybe it's $100 for your favorite team. And would you get the whole league for $500, or $700? At some point it's unaffordable. If they even offer that option at all. After all, how many people scan more than a couple of games a week. I realize I'm in the minority. But I bet there are a lot of fantasy players just like me.
Anyway, a little more, sure. I get that. Double or triple? That would be bogus and another example of Apple's greed and failure to appreciate niche users.