IF the Giants were to draft a QB who is your QB choice

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Jack Coan ... in the 6th

end up here. The division in interest really points to the fact that none of these guys, NONE , are head and shoulders better than the others.

in love with any of them... but Howell looks like a Brian Daboll guy to me... if he were 3 inches taller, I'd be sure.

I also think pundits make a mistake by only going by the most recent season and not evaluating the entire career of a prospect. Howell is an example of that.

Hands down.

In comment 15674588 Eric from BBI said:

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in love with any of them... but Howell looks like a Brian Daboll guy to me... if he were 3 inches taller, I'd be sure. I also think pundits make a mistake by only going by the most recent season and not evaluating the entire career of a prospect. Howell is an example of that.

That is pretty much my thinking as well. if Howell were bigger he would be rated higher, regardless of last season.

I know he hasn't shown pro-level processing or anything like that but I think the makeup is good, the tools are good, and the arm is good. Give him a year to bulk up and learn a playbook and I think you might have something in 2023. I'd strongly consider him in round 2, and if he somehow slips to round 3, I'd definitely want them to grab him.

I would have no objections at all to using a top pick on Willis, though; if Daboll and Schoen like him enough for the gamble, I'm comfortable with it. And in general I have no *objections* to any of the top 6 guys; all flawed, but all have some things that you can work with. The value has to match need, though, and only Willis is worth a top pick IMO.

In comment 15674599 RHPeel said:

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I know he hasn't shown pro-level processing or anything like that but I think the makeup is good, the tools are good, and the arm is good. Give him a year to bulk up and learn a playbook and I think you might have something in 2023. I'd strongly consider him in round 2, and if he somehow slips to round 3, I'd definitely want them to grab him. I would have no objections at all to using a top pick on Willis, though; if Daboll and Schoen like him enough for the gamble, I'm comfortable with it. And in general I have no *objections* to any of the top 6 guys; all flawed, but all have some things that you can work with. The value has to match need, though, and only Willis is worth a top pick IMO.

I mentioned the other day that there was an ex-scout on with Schmeelk who said he only had one first round grade on a QB and it was Corral.

LOVE the arm

He has his warts - they all do - but I think he has the tools to be a really good NFL QB.

In comment 15674601 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15674599 RHPeel said: Quote: I know he hasn't shown pro-level processing or anything like that but I think the makeup is good, the tools are good, and the arm is good. Give him a year to bulk up and learn a playbook and I think you might have something in 2023. I'd strongly consider him in round 2, and if he somehow slips to round 3, I'd definitely want them to grab him. I would have no objections at all to using a top pick on Willis, though; if Daboll and Schoen like him enough for the gamble, I'm comfortable with it. And in general I have no *objections* to any of the top 6 guys; all flawed, but all have some things that you can work with. The value has to match need, though, and only Willis is worth a top pick IMO. I mentioned the other day that there was an ex-scout on with Schmeelk who said he only had one first round grade on a QB and it was Corral.

I know it wasn't the "smart" decision but I *love* that he played in that bowl game. You want that type of competitiveness in your QB.

(You didn't specify what draft year).

None of these guys are anything special, but if I had to take a stab in the dark with one of 'em, especially in relation to where the giants pick, I'd say Howell 2ith the 36th pick. Carson Strong also is worth a shot later on IMO, but who the eff knows. Watch one of thee kids actually turn out to be something too, and give us all egg on our faces.

Take a big swing on big talent

Kid needs a year, and he would get that here. Willis has tools you can't teach. Allen, Mahomes type arm strength. Playmaking ability. His best attribute is he has a magnetic personality. His teammates love him and want to win with him. Extremely coachable and humble. I wouldn't blink if the Giants selected him early in the 1st.

Would be great.

Then again Kentucky QB Will Levis in 2023 would also make me happy.

He impressed a ton with his interview during the senior bowl. Came away thinking thats a kid that gets it and that I would want to route for. His arm talent adds even more to it. He is raw and will need to work but I belive he will and he has the most "special" to him

Mcginn put out his QB preview today and the scouts shredded them all. Said worst QB class ever possibly.

...and I still don't like using 36 on a QB.

Sounds WAY too familiar for my liking. No one at 5 or 7 regardless

If they think they have gold with anyone at 36 go for it

if we talking later in the draft I'd go Ridder.

It would be Willis. But relative to where I think they'll be drafted, if Carson Strong falls into day 3 I would not be opposed to taking a swing.

In comment 15674679 TDTONEY said:

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Sounds WAY too familiar for my liking. No one at 5 or 7 regardless If they think they have gold with anyone at 36 go for it

With the talent he was working with I would have panicked also. Name one other offensive player from his team that will get drafted next week. He still shined well enough to be considered a top 3 draftable player at his position. Imo he is a rich man's Tyrod Taylor walking into the league that can develop into a very promising franchise QB.

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In comment 15674679 TDTONEY said: Quote: Sounds WAY too familiar for my liking. No one at 5 or 7 regardless If they think they have gold with anyone at 36 go for it With the talent he was working with I would have panicked also. Name one other offensive player from his team that will get drafted next week. He still shined well enough to be considered a top 3 draftable player at his position. Imo he is a rich man's Tyrod Taylor walking into the league that can develop into a very promising franchise QB.

Problem is, that is a tough trait to unlearn. I jsut don't see all the fuss about him. I think too many are projecting Lamar Jackson and he isn't Lamar Jackson. He is more like Jeff Garcia but thicker and with more arm strength but less pur passing ability.

pocket passer in the 1st, I would get a running QB on day 2 or later and run a simplified one read and run offense, with a stable of other cheap running QB backups. That's how I build my team in Madden.

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In comment 15674679 TDTONEY said: Quote: Sounds WAY too familiar for my liking. No one at 5 or 7 regardless If they think they have gold with anyone at 36 go for it With the talent he was working with I would have panicked also. Name one other offensive player from his team that will get drafted next week. He still shined well enough to be considered a top 3 draftable player at his position. Imo he is a rich man's Tyrod Taylor walking into the league that can develop into a very promising franchise QB.

This is what scouts said about Jones and his lack of help in college. Can you name one of Eli’s WRs in college?

It scares me is all, if he has trouble reading a shitty defense in college is that going to change trying to learn much more complex ones? He’s very intelligent that’s not my concern but many are that next quite grasp it

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24 and just emerged as a leading talent his senior year. No thanks.

Until their second pick in round three unless Willis or Pickett are still on the board when the Giants make their second round pick. Guys like Howell, Corral and Ridder should be there, but there will be a number of first round graded guys who fall back to the second round and you need to take one of them. Green, Linderbaum, Ojabo, Karlaftis etc. The same applies to their first pick of the third round - lots of good second round graded players should be there. If Howell, Corral and Ridder are still there at their second pick of the third round, then I would take one of them in that order. Strong and several others should be considered on day three.

But there is no need for panic buying here. I have no problem with the Giants starting Tyrod for the next year or two while they rebuild the roster. They will not be good for the next two years anyway so patience is the virtue. Like Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson et al this year, quarterback movement will increasingly become the norm in the NFL in the years to come. Quarterback opportunities will become like the city bus. Another one will be coming along about every five minutes. The Giants just need to be "ready" to receive the player when the time comes, in terms of roster construction, draft capital and cap availability.

Or they could just go back in time, undraft Daniel Jones and take Justin Herbert when they should have. But not sure if Schoen can pull this off...

Corral second.

But I would be happy if they took any quarterback. I want them to try at the position. Right now they aren't trying.

pick would be fine with several.

Maybe a guy like Howell has a decent shot...

In comment 15674721 cosmicj said:

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24 and just emerged as a leading talent his senior year. No thanks.

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But what the hell do I know?

If BD expects his QB's to be a big part of the running game he needs to have two good ones on the roster in a now 17 game season. I can see them going 2nd/3rd round for one and it provides a hedge.

All QB's have flaws. This class seems light in talent for upper tier potential but 2nd/3rd round seems a warranted risk especially if they gain a extra pick.

The earliest I consider Willis is 3rd round. Not very accurate, panics and I really dislike that Auburn situation. He admitted to being immature and not watching film. Makes me wonder if that was a excuse for recognizing that level was too hard. Experiences in high pressured environments tells me these type of things resurface in the future. Hopefully they fully investigated.

QB is much more than tools.

QB which still has big upside in Kenny Pickett, but the risk of his hands aren't worth it. I would rather give Jones a chance to prove his worth with a better OL and hopefully healthy WRs this year.

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In comment 15674721 cosmicj said: Quote: 24 and just emerged as a leading talent his senior year. No thanks.

LOL well played. “Just emerged” describes lots of players about to be drafted. Many only have 1 or 2 years to really look at

I agree you strike when you can and if you have to wait then you wait. What complicates that line of thinking is BD has to win games which is true of most HC's. JS will get more time particularly if the team is doing well at other areas.

This is why I think a lot of teams wind up reaching or taking shots at a QB.

Unless its a trade back for a late 1 and 2023 1, then yes.
Corral late 1
Howell Round 2/3
Strong Round 3

Willis may be great, but its a big gamble for a new coach and GM. Ridder, I just dont see it

much like I didn't want any of the top 4 guys in 2018. I will say if they wanted to take a flyer in the middle rounds on EJ Perry just to see, he's a guy that intrigues me.

I don't believe he'll reach it, but the upside is incredible.

But I don't really like any of these guys to be more than a backup.

... this year. I prefer we don't take one this year but I wouldn't be upset if the Giants like a QB and pick him. I think Willis will be a huge bust, but again if Schoen / Daboll like him and pick him, I'll root for the pick.

In comment 15674855 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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I agree you strike when you can and if you have to wait then you wait. What complicates that line of thinking is BD has to win games which is true of most HC's. JS will get more time particularly if the team is doing well at other areas. This is why I think a lot of teams wind up reaching or taking shots at a QB.

No doubt, you are right. But I think the pressure largely comes from the fans now with Daboll. The absolute last thing Mara wants to do is fire another coach after two years. And I think, at least so far, Daboll is a more effective communicator and has greater personal authenticity than any of his three predecessors by a mile. So I think the fans will be more willing to give him time to build something knowing he is starting from scratch.

I believe that with two good drafts this year and next, even if it is Tyrod at quarterback, the Giants can be back on track in terms of respectability and playing meaningful December football in 2023. If the long term quarterback problem is solved by then, great. If not, keep pushing forward with the Tyrod Taylors of the world. You don't need a great quarterback to win championships... see Trent Dilfer, Rich Gannon, Nick Foles, etc.

But the one thing you can never do is force it by reaching in delusion - our need does not equate to their competence. Better to win with Jeff Hostetler than lose with Craig Morton I always say...

Malik Willis. Mostly because I don't think any of the other QB's have a floor high enough to justify passing on Willis' upside.

Obviously I don't expect us to take a QB, or at least not early enough that it'd be Willis, but if it's me, I'm taking a home run cut. If you connect on this, it accelerates the rebuilding process drastically.

But I doubt he is what Schoen and Daboll are looking for, so I'll say Skyler Thompson on Day 3.
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In comment 15674855 Lines of Scrimmage said: Quote: I agree you strike when you can and if you have to wait then you wait. What complicates that line of thinking is BD has to win games which is true of most HC's. JS will get more time particularly if the team is doing well at other areas. This is why I think a lot of teams wind up reaching or taking shots at a QB. No doubt, you are right. But I think the pressure largely comes from the fans now with Daboll. The absolute last thing Mara wants to do is fire another coach after two years. And I think, at least so far, Daboll is a more effective communicator and has greater personal authenticity than any of his three predecessors by a mile. So I think the fans will be more willing to give him time to build something knowing he is starting from scratch. I believe that with two good drafts this year and next, even if it is Tyrod at quarterback, the Giants can be back on track in terms of respectability and playing meaningful December football in 2023. If the long term quarterback problem is solved by then, great. If not, keep pushing forward with the Tyrod Taylors of the world. You don't need a great quarterback to win championships... see Trent Dilfer, Rich Gannon, Nick Foles, etc. But the one thing you can never do is force it by reaching in delusion - our need does not equate to their competence. Better to win with Jeff Hostetler than lose with Craig Morton I always say...

Yes Mara does not like firing people. People have placed way too much emphasis on the QB position. Sometimes you have to find a way to win with a good one.

The variable is the team around them. Some need a better one then others.

It's hilarious.

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24 and just emerged as a leading talent his senior year. No thanks.

Right. so he achieved a level of excellence that none of the others achieved, and that's a bad thing

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It's hilarious.

Everyone? I see one negative comment and a few wanting him.

Carson Strong — Nevada, provided he's available when the Giants select on the 3rd round. I would not draft him on the 2nd and certainly not on the 1st round.

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great fit here on BBI, as he was booed incessantly by fans in the Polo grounds and Yankee Stadium, even though he was a combat veteran of the Pacific and was/is best qb not in HOF. Talk about justice.

In comment 15676507 plato said:

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great fit here on BBI, as he was booed incessantly by fans in the Polo grounds and Yankee Stadium, even though he was a combat veteran of the Pacific and was/is best qb not in HOF. Talk about justice.

Steve, no Lee Grosscup? 😂

made that choice without ever seeing that qb but just reading his stats from a draft magazine. Mara didn’t realize most of his passes were underarm to someone coming out of backfield, for short distances.

Be well.

have better skill sets than Jones. So, I would gamble a pick on any of them to replace DJ...

Willis, Corral, Ridder, Howell and Pickett.

Willis, Howell, Pickett, Riddell, Corral in that order. Willis has that flick of the wrist arm talent that can deliver from multiple angles. Upside is highest.

If you can grab him late