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pjcas18 : 4/24/2022 11:28 am
A lot of the drama is basically decided in the East.

All 8 playoff teams have clinched, only jockeying for position/seeding is left.

All teams have anywhere from 2 to 4 games left.

As it stands today (games remaining in () at the end):
E1: (Atlantic champ) Panthers 120 pts (clinched 1 seed) (4)
E2: (Metro champ*) Hurricanes 110 pts (*not clinched) (3)
E3: Leafs 109 pts (3)
E4: Rangers 108 pts (3)
E5: Lightning 105 pts (4)
E6: Bruins 101 pts (4)
E7: Pens 101 pts (3)
E8: Caps 99 pts (4)

If nothing changes the 1st round matchups would be:

Panthers vs Caps (A1 vs WC2)
Hurricanes vs Bruins (M1 vs WC1)
Leafs vs Lightning (A2 vs A3)
Rangers vs Pens (M2 vs M3)

If I'm the Rangers I'm fine where I am and they have clinched at worst the 2 seed in the Metro. I'd rather play the Pens than the Bruins.

I will add the West in a separate post (5 teams have clinched and basically 4 teams vying for the final 3 spots).

I agree, PJ  
Anakim : 4/24/2022 11:31 am : link
I'd rather play the Penguins than the Bruins or Capitals. Fuck Sindy, fuck Letang, fuck Malkin and fuck Guentzel
I am hoping  
YANKEE28 : 4/24/2022 11:35 am : link
we can finish the last game of the season with Kakko, Chytil, and Copp back in the lineup.

Also hope Tyler Motte is recovered for the playoffs. He added a ton of spark and speed to the 4th line and was great with PKs. Not much news about if he can return.
The West  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2022 11:37 am : link
W1: (Central champ) Avalanche 116 pts (clinched 1 seed) (4)
W2: (Pacific champ) Flames 108 pts (clinched 2 seed) (3)
W3: Wild 107 pts (4)
W4: Blues 107 pts (3)
W5: Oilers 98 pts (4)
W6: Kings 96 pts (2)
W7: Preds 93 pts (4)
W8: Stars 93 pts (3)
W9: Vegas 89 pts (4)
W10: Canucks 87 pts (3)

Canucks on life support as is Vegas. if DAL and NSH get just one point in their remaining games VAN is eliminated.

We know the Wild (C2) and Blues (C3) will play each other, just jockeying for home ice

RE: I am hoping  
Anakim : 4/24/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15677123 YANKEE28 said:
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we can finish the last game of the season with Kakko, Chytil, and Copp back in the lineup.
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Yeah, they'll need those three players back for the Playoffs. God forbid we give Dryden Hunt top-6 minutes like we did for the first two periods yesterday. Panarin may be a magician, but he can't even make Hunt have any modicum of offensive skill.

And Greg McKegg and Gauthier...just gross.
RE: The West  
Anakim : 4/24/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15677125 pjcas18 said:
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W1: (Central champ) Avalanche 116 pts (clinched 1 seed) (4)
W2: (Pacific champ) Flames 108 pts (clinched 2 seed) (3)
W3: Wild 107 pts (4)
W4: Blues 107 pts (3)
W5: Oilers 98 pts (4)
W6: Kings 96 pts (2)
W7: Preds 93 pts (4)
W8: Stars 93 pts (3)
W9: Vegas 89 pts (4)
W10: Canucks 87 pts (3)

Canucks on life support as is Vegas. if DAL and NSH get just one point in their remaining games VAN is eliminated.

We know the Wild (C2) and Blues (C3) will play each other, just jockeying for home ice


Avalanche are obviously the creme de la creme in the West, but the Blues are surging. They're going to be a very tough out. And Buchnevich has had an amazing year for them....and we got a second round pick and a bottom-six player.

But I digress. I think the Blues will handle the Wild easily.
I don't know about STL vs MIN  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2022 11:46 am : link
Kiril Kaprizov has become my favorite player to watch.

He reminds me of Datsyuk.

Kevin Fiala might be the most underrated player in the league right now. Zucc found the fountain of youth with an 80-point (and over a ppg) season. And Matthew Boldy is having a great season for a 20-year old.

That Wild team has some depth and talent. I think they're a year and some good fortune away from being a contender, but I like a lot of what they do.

If MAF (he's lost just one game since being traded to MIN) can catch some playoff lightning (no pun intended) I like the Wild as a darkhorse in the west.

But I don't see anyone who wins the West winning the cup unless the East teams just beat up each other. The Panthers are ridiculous, the NYR have all the cup elements, the Canes, Lightning, Bruins etc. I think all go toe to toe or better with the Avs. I don't include the Leafs yet because they have no playoff heart.

Flames are an enigma a little - I love their talent but they go through absolutely horrid stretches.
At the other end of the spectrum  
pjcas18 : 4/24/2022 11:53 am : link
it's the habs and yotes battling for best odds in the Shane Wright sweepstakes.

As it stands today the worst either of them can pick is 4th and this is really IMO a 4-player tier one draft. A good draft, but the top 4 is very close. 2023 is supposed to be incredible.

Bottom six teams (league wide)

32: Habs 51 pts (3)
31: Yotes 51 pts (3)
30: Kraken 58 pts (4)
29: Flyers 59 pts (4)
28: Devils 62 pts (4)
27: Blackhawks 63 pts (3)

I wouldn't mind Logan Cooley in a Habs uniform if they miss on Shane Wright. Or even Matthew Savoie or Juraj Slafkovsky.





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ColHowPepper : 4/24/2022 3:18 pm : link
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If I'm the Rangers I'm fine where I am and they have clinched at worst the 2 seed in the Metro. I'd rather play the Pens than the Bruins.

And that's pretty much how they played yesterday, even given they were missing three top 9s (albeit Laf is doing 4th line work so who knows). Fox looked like he was on automatic pilot, dreadful game. w/o Copp their faceoff wins went way down. Was looking forward to this game to see how they matched up with Brunz with their trade deadline adds and Pasta back. But the playoff standings and injuries killed meaningful contest imo.

pj, gotta hand it to your early season call on NYR, but now we'll see just how much that call sticks with the young team thrown into the Playoff crucible. And apropos that, not sure I agree with your proposition that Metro teams stack up well with Avs, certainly NYR didn't, twice, albeit those games were played before the team really got its legs and GG's system. Speed and playmaking vs more NZ checking, let er rip

Wild impress me too, but only times I've seen them is vs NYR
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/24/2022 5:03 pm : link
I wish they'd cut the regular season by ten games.

The East teams have been set for what feels like months now.
I agree Brett  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2022 8:02 am : link
not just because of that, but maybe I'm wrong but 82 game season was not created with the potential for this many playoff games or team. when they expanded the playoffs they should have shortened the season a couple weeks.

Nothing changed in the East last night
Or the West, but LVG did what they need to do (win) to keep their hopes alive

No significant games tonight.

MTL had an incredible ceremony for Lafleur, when they finished the tribute the crowd started a standing ovation that lasted over 10 minutes. the PA announcer tried 3 times unsuccessfully to get the crowd to observe a moment of silence but they wouldn't have it. The love for Guy was obvious when they showed the crowd and many of the people, including Yvon Cournoyer had tears streaming down their faces. Not sure I've seen much like that in sports. Maybe a Kobe tribute but he was a young man who died tragically.

anyway, MTL now has a game in hand vs ARI for worst record.

They have lost 10 games in a row (in regulation) their longest losing streak in team history. They had two 8-game losing streaks this year.

Habs last two easily losable other than the "nothing to play for" factor of their opponents they play @NYR and vs FLA.

ARI has three games left @MIN, @DAL, vs NSH. All are playing for something so it could go either way.
RE: RE: I am hoping  
Costy16 : 4/25/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15677126 Anakim said:
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In comment 15677123 YANKEE28 said:


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we can finish the last game of the season with Kakko, Chytil, and Copp back in the lineup.
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Yeah, they'll need those three players back for the Playoffs. God forbid we give Dryden Hunt top-6 minutes like we did for the first two periods yesterday. Panarin may be a magician, but he can't even make Hunt have any modicum of offensive skill.

And Greg McKegg and Gauthier...just gross.


McKegg, Gauthier, Nemeth--all better be in the pressbox come the first week of May.

Feel like Tuesdays game vs Carolina will decide how they approach the end of the season as far as trying to rest some key guys this week in addition to guys they are holding out as a precaution. Regulation win vs Canes would be 2 pts back with a game in hand.

I actually don't think they played all that badly on Saturday given who was in the lineup. Bruins third goal was just an unfortunate deflection off Igor of what would have been a remarkable full-length extension save.
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arcarsenal : 4/25/2022 11:52 am : link
Not going to start a new thread, but Kakko, Chytl and Copp were all on the ice/skating during practice earlier.

That's very good news.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/25/2022 11:54 am : link
Also, yeah.. I agree they could probably cut the reg season to ~75 games.

It has really felt like just.. playing out the string since almost the start of April. Everyone's just kind if waiting for the playoffs now.
All 8 Eastern Conference playoff  
pjcas18 : 4/25/2022 6:20 pm : link
teams reached 100 points. First time ever a conference had 8 100 point teams.

Seven teams from a conference had reached 100 points in the same season twice: in the Western Conference in 2006-07 and 2009-10.
If LVG loses  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2022 9:20 pm : link
they are out.

they are winning 1 - 0 after 1.
RE: .  
rnargi : 4/26/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15678267 arcarsenal said:
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Not going to start a new thread, but Kakko, Chytl and Copp were all on the ice/skating during practice earlier.

That's very good news.


Copper reinjured, and Panarin out with upper body injury. That does not bode well for their chances if they're serious injuries
Matthews  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2022 9:24 pm : link
hits 60 goals to probably lock up Richard.

McDavid widens his Ross lead with a 4-point night (so far).

The Coyotes  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 7:46 am : link
win almost assures MTL of 32nd place if I assume ROW is the tiebreaker.

MTL back by two with two left for both.

MTL would need points in both games to pass ARI with ARI getting no points.

7 spots now claimed in the West with VAN eliminated. Down to DAL and LVG. DAL up 4 with two to play for both. LVG leads the ROW tiebreaker.

So DAL would need no pts in their final two and LVG would need 4 pts.

LVG @CHI
ARI @DAL

tonight to probably wrap it up.

With Matthews  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 8:32 am : link
60th he became the 1st American with 60 goals in a season.

When I read shit like that and I see the point totals put up this year I feel like we got robbed of another Olympics and it pisses me off.

USA could have probably had their most talented team ever, maybe even more than 1996 World Cup.

Matthews
Gaudreau
Tkachuk (Matthew)
- all over 100 points
Miller (JT)
Kane
Connor
- all over 90 points
Guentzel
Kreider
Debrincat
Fox
McAvoy
Larkin
Thompson
Troy Terry
Hughes brothers
Zegras
Caufield
Colin White
Brady Thachuk
Clayton Keller
Nelson
John Carlson

and more....

would have been fun picking that team.
Very little drama left  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 5:57 pm : link
other than minor seeding changes.

Last place still up for grabs, one ARI point and they clinch 31st. MTL needs 3 pts in two games to 0 for ARI to take over 31st.

LVG and DAL both in action tonight, any points for DAL or less than two for LVG and LVG is eliminated.

In the East, WAS and PIT can jockey between 7th (metro #3) and 8th (WC2), and WAS has a banged up Ovi - looked worse than it is I think, but I believe those are the only two playoff teams who can change spots.

In the West, 6 - 8 (LAK, NSH, and DAL/LVG) all still could shuffle.

With just 30 ROW, DAL is unlikely moving much.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/27/2022 7:12 pm : link
Doesn't NHL's regular season usually wrap up concurrently with the NBA? It feels like in years past, the NHL playoffs are in full swing by now. Did they start the season later? Condense it? Make it longer?
RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15682941 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Doesn't NHL's regular season usually wrap up concurrently with the NBA? It feels like in years past, the NHL playoffs are in full swing by now. Did they start the season later? Condense it? Make it longer?


Yes, usually within a week or so, this year the NHL had a two-week "pause" scheduled for Olympics they didn't attend and a brief COVID shut down so the end of the season is about two weeks later than normal.
Holy shit  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 11:14 pm : link
the Coyotes are cardiac kids, they came back from down 3 to a Stars team who is still playing for the playoffs.

Doesn't matter to DAL though, LVG failed to win in regulation so the Golden Knights are eliminated from the PO's and the Stars get the 8th spot.
Stars  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 11:15 pm : link
vs Coyotes headed to OT.

If ARI gets the 2nd point, they clinch 31st and MTL gets last place.

What a disaster for Vegas  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 11:22 pm : link
the big trade for Eichel and then to miss the playoffs.

i'm not going to overreact like some people because Eichel is signed long term. Their whole team is basically signed for next year except Reilly Smith. but still a major disaster.

Coyotes  
pjcas18 : 4/27/2022 11:22 pm : link
win in OT, I believe that settles it, ARI 31, MTL 32.
Latest  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2022 3:17 pm : link
In the East every playoff team is either done or has 1 game left.

while there has been no drama for the 8 playoff teams since what seems like January, the seeding has come down to the final day.

What is locked in?
FLA won the President's Cup/1 seed
CAR won the Metro and is the 2 seed
TOR has clinched Atlantic 2nd place and will host Atlantic 3rd place
NYR clinched Metro 2nd place and will host the Metro 3rd place

What is TBD:
BOS and TBL jockeying for Atlantic 3rd place and WC1
WAS and PIT jockeying for Metro 3rd place and WC2

CAR got hosed IMO (good, lol) because I'd rather play WAS or PIT than TBL or BOS but it happens.

All 4 teams (PIT, WAS, BOS, and TBL play tonight so it will be sorted out tonight).

In the West:
What is locked in?:
COL won the central and clinched the #1 seed
CAL won the Pacific and clinched the #2 seed
EDM clinched 2nd place in the Pacific and will host the 3rd place team
LAK clinched 3rd in the Pacific and will play EDM
MIN and STL are 2nd and 3rd n the Central and play each other, but who is home team is still TBD
NSH and DAL are the WCs, but still TBD who is WC1 and plays CAL and who is WC2 and plays COL.

this will also be sorted out tonight.

5 teams from the Central made the playoffs, the only division with 5 teams.
Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 4/29/2022 9:47 pm : link
wrap up the season in style, putting up Guy Lafleur's jersey # (10) on the resting Panthers. 10 - 2 final.

Caufield with his first NHL hat trick, Jordan Harris with his first NHL goal.

Price his first win of the season.

PIT win clinches the #3 seed in the Metro and secure their matchup with NYR.

Bruins lose and wind up WC1 and will face CAR.

All the matchups are final in the East - West will be soon.

Rangers playing Monday  
Will Shine : 4/29/2022 9:56 pm : link
or Tuesday?
RE: Rangers playing Monday  
pjcas18 : 4/30/2022 8:57 am : link
In comment 15690426 Will Shine said:
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or Tuesday?


Tuesday
First round matchups  
pjcas18 : 4/30/2022 9:15 am : link
finalized and my prediction:

East
FLA (E1) vs WAS (EWC2): FLA in 5. FLA is too much, Ovi not 100% and the WAS goalie situation is no bueno

CAR (E2) vs BOX (EWC1): BOS in 7. CAR has talent but BOS is the hottest team in the league, and have the poise/experience and not sure what is happening in net for CAR

NYR (MET2) vs PIT (MET3): NYR in 6. PIT is top heavy, but that top is aging. It would be a sweep but Crosby/Malkin can steal a game or two. Maybe the last time Crosby, Malkin and Letang play together (Malkin and Letang are UFAs)

TOR (ATL2) vs TBL (ATL3): I'll pick TBL in 6 here because TOR is soft. But no result would surprise me.

West
COL (W1) vs NSH (WC2): COL could sweep, but I'll say in 5 and give Saros one game when he's on

CAL (W2) vs DAL (WC1): I'm calling a CAL sweep, that's gutsy to call, but I think people could be sleeping on how well rounded CAL is.

MIN (C2) vs STL (C3): MIN in 6. I like MIN as a darkhorse, but it's alarming they still have not announced who starts in net. I am always prioritizing watching MIN to see Kaprizov and EDM to see McDavid. Fun players to watch.

EDM (P2) vs LAK (P3): EDM in 5. Time for McDavid and Draisaitl to turn scoring into playoff success. I think they do, Evander Kane elevates that team.



The Athletic odds  
pjcas18 : 4/30/2022 10:42 am : link
if the NYR have these odds with any bookmaker like DraftKings I'd be all over it.

I thought CAR would be favored over BOS.

No surprise FLA and COL the cup favorites and FLA has a MUCH tougher road.

Blashill  
pjcas18 : 4/30/2022 2:12 pm : link
out in DET - along with most of his staff.
Maple Leafs at 12%??  
Greg from LI : 4/30/2022 2:35 pm : link
That seems really high.
RE: Maple Leafs at 12%??  
pjcas18 : 4/30/2022 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15692389 Greg from LI said:
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That seems really high.


I am surprised they are that much of a favorite over TBL. I think that's a close series, but TOR does not strike me as flawless like FLA or even mentally strong like TBL
Rangers are too low.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2022 2:45 pm : link
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So are the Blues and Kings IMO.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/30/2022 2:46 pm : link
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At that point  
pjcas18 : 4/30/2022 3:27 pm : link
sure, if you get odds would be worth a bet but I don't think STL or LAK are serious threats to win it all. Doesn't mean they won't. In hockey you're a hot goalie an good special teams away from a win streak, but I don't think they have the talent. LAK better than STL.

If Mike Smith plays like he did down the stretch EDM is undervalued.

Smith won his last 9 starts and gave up 3 goals or more just twice in that stretch.

As we wait for the playoffs to kick off  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2022 10:26 am : link
my awards:

Hart: Matthews - I can see a case for Igor, but Matthews putting up 60 outweighs him IMO, no argument for people voting for Igor I can also see a case for McDavid though my three go: Matthews, Igor, McDavid

Vezina: Igor in a landslide, Markstrom gets noticed with 2nd, and I think Freddie probably 3rd.

Norris: Makar, Josi not far behind

Selke: Bergeron (I truly believe some day this will be renamed the Patrice Bergeron award). Barkov doesn't get enough credit here, he will once Bergeron retires. Kopitar too.

Lindsay (most outstanding player): McDavid

Calder: Zegras (another month of the season and Caufield wins it)

I think Seider may steal it with the voters he's been great on a shitty team, but Zegras deserves it IMO

Jack Adams: Mike Sullivan - I didn't even think PIT makes the playoffs, but I suspect Brunette (FLA) or Sutter (CAL) win this. I think Brunette is still interim head coach after Quenneville's resignation, so I wonder if an interim HC has ever won this award. hard to believe it's still the same season all the Kyle Beach stuff came out - seems so long ago.

Richard (most goals - not a vote): Matthews

Art Ross (most points - not a vote): McDavid
As a Maple Leafs fan  
5BowlsSoon : 5/1/2022 11:24 am : link
I hate saying this, but I think this may be another one and out series for my boys. Goalies are huge in the playoffs and we don’t have a Carey Price, but those guys (Tampa) do.
RE: As a Maple Leafs fan  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15693989 5BowlsSoon said:
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I hate saying this, but I think this may be another one and out series for my boys. Goalies are huge in the playoffs and we don’t have a Carey Price, but those guys (Tampa) do.


Not many teams have the offense punch the Leafs do, it's time for Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, etc. to man up and put in the effort on the defensive side.

TOR weakness was always (for this version of their team) the blue line and net and they fixed the blue line with Brodie, Giordano, etc. and first half Campbell was as good as any Vezina candidates, but he fell back to Earth.

time to elevate or be known forever as losers.

This is Campbell's splits pre and post AS break,looks like a different goalie. Maybe he's injured.

Here is another indication of how bad Campbell  
pjcas18 : 5/1/2022 4:33 pm : link
was second half. Obviously this is one source but jfresh on twitter ran quarterly polls for all the award voting.

Look at Campbell, goes from pushing for 1st, to a solid 2nd to out of the top 10.

Ouch!  
5BowlsSoon : 5/1/2022 5:10 pm : link
Yeah, I wish we had your Carey Price, healthy of course. I don’t trust Soup.
And after all that  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2022 10:14 pm : link
Campbell plays well and the Leafs smoke the Bolts 5-0.

Thought the Bruins would give the Canes much more of a fight too.
Tampa was awful  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/2/2022 10:23 pm : link
I've never seen Kuch and Stamkos flub so many chances. Vasilevskiy on the fifth goal... woof.

Game was called pretty tight. Will be interesting if this is the new playoff directive or if it slacks back to the norm.
Oilers going on the power play  
RCPhoenix : 5/2/2022 10:26 pm : link
Pretty intense first period so far
Both western games are instant hate bombs  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/2/2022 10:59 pm : link
Over the top physicality in game one, love to see it.
All of the games have been physical and intense  
Greg from LI : 5/2/2022 11:11 pm : link
Hope the Blueshirts are ready for it
The on-ice ads in the corners are an abomination  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/2/2022 11:32 pm : link
The puck gets lost on black lettering.

Project all the ads you want on the glass, leave the ice clean
Panthers announced that Ekblad will play tonight  
Greg from LI : 5/3/2022 11:43 am : link
Be interested to see how rusty he is.
I could not have been more wrong  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2022 7:47 am : link
so far, lol.

Canes look like cup champs (while playing at home at least) more physical, more skilled, and better in net.

Campbell looked great game 1, though not so great last night.

Kirill the thrill looked great last night - as did McDavid (and Kane - and Smith).

of the 4 series to play last night all are tied 1 - 1 except CAR vs BOS, and I don't think that series is over, but teams who go up 2 - 0 win 80+% of the time.
Same  
Anakim : 5/5/2022 8:55 am : link
I thought the Bruins would be giving the Hurricanes all kinds of problems. I thought Boston was going to win this series.
RE: Same  
RCPhoenix : 5/5/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15699109 Anakim said:
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I thought the Bruins would be giving the Hurricanes all kinds of problems. I thought Boston was going to win this series.


I hope the Bruins get swept. Fuck Marchand.
Marchand  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2022 10:41 am : link
two-handed kochetkov in the 3rd period, I don't think it was suspension worthy, but who knows with his track record.
US Roster for the worlds  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2022 12:57 pm : link
as teams are eliminated from the playoffs often times players will join their country's team here. Easier when it's in the US or Canada but some still do.

No suspension for Marchand  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2022 2:08 pm : link
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Boston’s Brad Marchand has been fined $5,000, the maximum allowable under the CBA, for Slashing Carolina’s Pyotr Kochetkov.
Final draft rankings  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2022 6:33 pm : link
for NA and Europe - Shane Wright goes wire to wire - actually wire began when he was 14/15 and anointed the next Crosby. He did not live up to that hype but it's still impressive to stay in the top spot.

A lot of players helped out by strong showing at the U18's - like Kemel, Ohgren on the INTL side and Gauthier and Howard on the NA side.

This is being billed as a decent but not spectacular draft (2023 is supposed to be loaded)




All the Thurs  
pjcas18 : 5/6/2022 3:50 pm : link
night series were evened up except COL/NSH, Makar OT goal gives COL a 2 - 0 series lead headed to NSH.

So one Eastern series (BOS vs CAR) and one Western (COL vs NSH) are 2 - 0, all others are 1 - 1.

Maybe we'll get some games 7's.

With no horse in this race, I'm hoping for OT's and game 7's.

Good hockey last night  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2022 11:02 am : link
B's cut their deficit in half in the first Boston game. That series is now 2 - 1.

Wild, and Kaprizov build on last game and take a 2 - 1 lead on the road. Kaprizov has 5 pts in 3 games.

EMD puts up points like they should, smoke the Kings 8 - 2 and take a 2 - 1 series lead. Kane has 6 pts in 3 games, McDavid has 5 or 6 as well.

Leafs use their O as well, to take a 2 - 1 lead. Marner has 6 pts in 3 games.


Panthers  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2022 3:27 pm : link
look terrible.

About to go down 2 - 1 to the Caps.

Great thread PJ  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/7/2022 3:50 pm : link
appreciate your insight into these games and series. With no Mets, able to watch some of the other series besides the Rangers. I was at the game Thursday, Incredible atmosphere at the Garden.

Panthers look in complete disarray and the Capitals look very confident. Looking forward to seeing Cale Makar next game.
RE: Great thread PJ  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2022 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15701438 Rob in Rockaway said:
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appreciate your insight into these games and series. With no Mets, able to watch some of the other series besides the Rangers. I was at the game Thursday, Incredible atmosphere at the Garden.

Panthers look in complete disarray and the Capitals look very confident. Looking forward to seeing Cale Makar next game.


same here, and the Mets are rained out again, so hockey all night it is.

Kuemper took a stick to the eye, hope he's ok, players have lost sight before by taking a stick to the eye.
Colorado with another PP goal  
RCPhoenix : 5/7/2022 5:56 pm : link
Nashville has to stay out of the box
And Col gives it back  
RCPhoenix : 5/7/2022 6:01 pm : link
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Another Colorado PP  
RCPhoenix : 5/7/2022 6:15 pm : link
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Every time I watch a game that Josi in in  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/7/2022 6:47 pm : link
I think I am going to come away impressed by another player like Makar, but I end up just remembering how good Josi is. First time it happened was in the finals when they harped on Subban constantly when it was so blatantly obvious that Josi was a much better player.

Taking NOTHING away from Makar BTW.
I agree Josi is so underrated  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2022 7:17 pm : link
he's maybe the most well rounded D in the league - he does everything well, I think Makar gets the Norris, but Josi is a great player.

Makar with a 3 point game, Landeskog with 4.

COL better hope Kuemper is ok, Francouz can beat NSH, but probably not keep them alive much beyond that IMO
Good news  
pjcas18 : 5/7/2022 8:52 pm : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
· 1h
COL coach Jared Bednar said Darcy Kuemper has "some swelling" around the eye, but it is not too serious. It is possible the goalie plays Monday in Game 4.
Big win  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/8/2022 6:39 am : link
For the Pens yesterday. Might have Jarry back soon too
The Stars  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2022 9:25 am : link
go up 2 - 1, Oettinger is legit in net.

I love Matthew Tkachuk as a player, but he sometimes seems more interested in stirring up shit than scoring. Such a good player, but no reason IMO to drop the gloves with Klinberg, if I'm DAL I'd take that addition by subtraction move all day.

I didn't even realize they were still doing this  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2022 12:11 pm : link
but no bueno for the Bruins.

Boston Bruins
@NHLBruins
· 9m
UPDATE: Bruins defenseman Charlie McAvoy has been placed in NHL COVID-19 protocol and will not be available for today’s game.
pj,  
Shepherdsam : 5/8/2022 12:23 pm : link
That's why Edmonton and Toronto have been taking busses over the border before getting flights.
Man, that 4th goal by Boston,  
Mad Mike : 5/8/2022 2:55 pm : link
too easy!
RE: pj,  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15702052 Shepherdsam said:
Quote:
That's why Edmonton and Toronto have been taking busses over the border before getting flights.


makes sense now, I thought that was purely a Canada government thing, not NHL
RE: Man, that 4th goal by Boston,  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15702174 Mad Mike said:
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too easy!


this is more what I expected for this series. Even without McAvoy pretty thorough domination.

Kind of top heavy with the B's top line doing the damage, but that's what I expect of their top line. Arguably the best line in the league.
pj,  
Shepherdsam : 5/8/2022 3:36 pm : link
didn't mean to imply it was an NHL thing. More of a let's not have to take any tests sort of thing.
Kaprizov  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2022 5:34 pm : link
is my new favorite player to watch and to send the kids I coach clips of - Crosby still up there, but this guy without the puck is so smart. Here is Kaprizov getting a great feed from Spurgeon to tie the game but also watch him move without the puck.
link - ( New Window )
Tony DeAngelo is still such a little shit  
Anakim : 5/8/2022 5:43 pm : link
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Blues are dominating MN.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/8/2022 5:59 pm : link
And just got a super lucky goal.
That third goal was beautiful.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/8/2022 6:02 pm : link
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RE: Tony DeAngelo is still such a little shit  
pjcas18 : 5/8/2022 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15702313 Anakim said:
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If I didn't hate Jack Edwards so much I'd care about that by TDA, but...
This Tampa thing after a loss is basically  
Essex : 5/8/2022 7:45 pm : link
Inexplicable. 15-0 after their last 15 playoff losses. I remember that phenomenon when the Rangers played them in 2014, and that it is still going on 8 years later is absurd
That's what you get with so much talent  
pjcas18 : 5/9/2022 7:51 am : link
and a stopper in net, basically you are losing streak proof, but still obviously impressive - since nothing is guaranteed.

Jonathan Quick finds the fountain of youth vs the schizophrenic Oilers and LAK tie up the series.

All 4 series yesterday are now tied at 2.

The only series that cannot be tied at 2 tonight is the Avs.

Senators fire Pierre McGuire  
Anakim : 5/9/2022 12:09 pm : link
Please tell me he's not coming back on TV
RE: Senators fire Pierre McGuire  
pjcas18 : 5/9/2022 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15702923 Anakim said:
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Please tell me he's not coming back on TV


that was quick.
Norris  
pjcas18 : 5/9/2022 7:42 pm : link
finalists named. No surprises.

Josi
Makar
Hedman
Draft Lottery  
pjcas18 : 5/9/2022 7:42 pm : link
tomorrow night
6 out of 8  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 7:51 am : link
series are 2 - 2.

Only ones that are not are COL who closed out NSH and PIT vs NYR.

FLA dodged a bullet - pulling the goalie with 3+ min left, WAS having a chance to extend the lead with the empty net and Hathaway tries to go the length of the rink and hit the EN, but he missed for an icing, and FLA tied it on the ensuing possession. And then won in OT.

RE: Draft Lottery  
Stu11 : 5/10/2022 8:47 am : link
In comment 15703753 pjcas18 said:
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tomorrow night

in other words the only day annually us Devils fans need to care about :-)
RE: RE: Draft Lottery  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 8:48 am : link
In comment 15704077 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15703753 pjcas18 said:


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tomorrow night


in other words the only day annually us Devils fans need to care about :-)


yes, the Canadiens made it to the SCF last year and that was fun, but more often than not lately I'm right there with you, only without the ping pong ball luck.

Good news this year is MTL can't pick worse than #3 and I like the top 4 or 5 this year a lot.
RE: RE: RE: Draft Lottery  
Stu11 : 5/10/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15704078 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15704077 Stu11 said:


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In comment 15703753 pjcas18 said:


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tomorrow night


in other words the only day annually us Devils fans need to care about :-)



yes, the Canadiens made it to the SCF last year and that was fun, but more often than not lately I'm right there with you, only without the ping pong ball luck.

Good news this year is MTL can't pick worse than #3 and I like the top 4 or 5 this year a lot.

Seems like only Shane Wright will play in the NHL next year right?
I think  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 9:22 am : link
Shane Wright starts out in the NHL, though I think it will be more due to optics than readiness.

I have read two or three Patrice Bergeron comps on Wright lately and while I don't like putting that kind of pressure on a player i think that might take a little pressure off if people expect him to be good defensively before offensively, though ironically two of Bergeron's best offensive seasons were when he was 19 and 20. Never reached that lofty point total again until he was 33 years old.

I think Cooley, Slafkovsky (love his size and scoring touch), Savoie, Nemec, Kemell, etc. aren't far behind.
All four game  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 1:03 pm : link
5's tonight are tied up 2-2.
Vezina  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 1:41 pm : link
finalists announced:

Shesterkin
Markstrom
Saros

No surprises, Shesterkin heavy favorite
Igor had better hope the voters aren't watching this series.  
Greg from LI : 5/10/2022 1:49 pm : link
I'm kidding.

Mostly.

Sort of.
RE: Igor had better hope the voters aren't watching this series.  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15704459 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
I'm kidding.

Mostly.

Sort of.


That's true, lol, but the voting is done before the playoffs.
Patrick  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 6:04 pm : link
Marleau retires.

Most games played without winning a cup in NHL history.

Most games played in NHL history for that matter.



Devils will be picking top-2  
Anakim : 5/10/2022 6:50 pm : link
.
So the top-3 picks are:  
Anakim : 5/10/2022 6:53 pm : link
1) Canadiens
2) Devils
3) Coyotes



Congrats, PJ
Habs  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 6:54 pm : link
got the top pick.

Congratulations PJ  
Jay on the Island : 5/10/2022 6:54 pm : link
I just wanted the Devils to land a top 3 pick so I am happy with #2.
Didn't see that  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 6:55 pm : link
Anak thanks, it's good to be #1 because you have options, and I don't think they will do this, but I have read scenarios where MTL trades this pick to someone like NSH for their 2022 and 2023 #1's.

2023 draft is supposed to be loaded.
Has there been a more lucky lottery team than the Devils?  
Anakim : 5/10/2022 7:00 pm : link
How many top-5 picks have they had in the last 10 years?




And lovely, I can't wait to hear all the "Wright for Lafreniere" speculation up until the Draft. It'll be insufferable. I hope Gorton nips it in the bud quickly.
I never in my life thought I'd be happy to see a Flyers logo ha ha  
Stu11 : 5/10/2022 7:02 pm : link
Congrats PJ. Wright would have been nice but #2 is sweet too.
RE: Has there been a more lucky lottery team than the Devils?  
Stu11 : 5/10/2022 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15704727 Anakim said:
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How many top-5 picks have they had in the last 10 years?




And lovely, I can't wait to hear all the "Wright for Lafreniere" speculation up until the Draft. It'll be insufferable. I hope Gorton nips it in the bud quickly.

Yes the Rangers. You're seriously gonna whine after 2 years in a row you moved up like 10 spots and got gifted Laffy when you basically made the "playoffs"?
RE: Has there been a more lucky lottery team than the Devils?  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15704727 Anakim said:
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How many top-5 picks have they had in the last 10 years?




And lovely, I can't wait to hear all the "Wright for Lafreniere" speculation up until the Draft. It'll be insufferable. I hope Gorton nips it in the bud quickly.


The Rangers have been pretty lucky. I mean moving up for Kakko and Lafreniere was pretty fortunate based on where they began those years.

With Wright probably going #1  
Stu11 : 5/10/2022 7:25 pm : link
The draft will start at #2. Very interesting to see where the Devils go with it. Logan Coolie is the next ranked guy but with Jack and Nico I don't think we're dying for another small C but he is talented. I have a feeling they go Cutter Gauthier or the #1 Euro skater that 6'4 winger Slafkovsky who exploded at the Olympics for 7 goals. They need size on the wing. I like how Slaf got dirty goals in the Olympic tournament but it was just 7-10 days of hockey so we'll see.
I've been reading  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 7:31 pm : link
a lot of Bergeron comps for Wright lately.

I'd love for that to be true.

RE: With Wright probably going #1  
Jay on the Island : 5/10/2022 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15704749 Stu11 said:
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The draft will start at #2. Very interesting to see where the Devils go with it. Logan Coolie is the next ranked guy but with Jack and Nico I don't think we're dying for another small C but he is talented. I have a feeling they go Cutter Gauthier or the #1 Euro skater that 6'4 winger Slafkovsky who exploded at the Olympics for 7 goals. They need size on the wing. I like how Slaf got dirty goals in the Olympic tournament but it was just 7-10 days of hockey so we'll see.

As of now I am hoping for Slafkovsky because of his size but Cooley and Nemec would be good picks as well.
The top 5 or 6  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 7:54 pm : link
of this draft are really good and kind of interchangeable, but there is talent in the entire first round.

I kind of like Slafkofsky too - not many 6' 4" 220 pound NHL ready 18-year olds. Sort of like a Byfield clone (but a LW).





TBL  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 7:56 pm : link
and CAR off to fast starts in game 5.

Both up 2 - 0. CAR end of the 1st, TBL halfway through.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2022 8:22 pm : link
Congrats, pj. Getting Kakko and Laf was a great feeling.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 5/10/2022 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15704790 BrettNYG10 said:
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Congrats, pj. Getting Kakko and Laf was a great feeling.


Thanks, and not to be negative, but with all the shit Lafreniere gets can you imagine the pressure Wright will be under in MTL? I almost feel bad for him. MTL is way worse than NY with the hockey media (and fans).

....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/10/2022 9:20 pm : link
Oh yeah, Montreal and Toronto are the two toughest hockey markets. I don't think NY is particularly tough hockey-wise.

Rangers at least had other big names to shield Laf and Kakko. Wright is sort of the premier name next year for Montreal.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/11/2022 10:29 am : link
I didn't watch but I can't believe EDM is on the brink again. Three more years until McDavid signs with the Rangers.
Is it me or do the Devils always get lucky in the draft lottery?  
Andy in Halifax : 5/11/2022 12:07 pm : link
Montreal sucked ass, so they deserve #1, but I am getting tired of teams like NJ and the Rangers lucking out all the time.
RE: Is it me or do the Devils always get lucky in the draft lottery?  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15705264 Andy in Halifax said:
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Montreal sucked ass, so they deserve #1, but I am getting tired of teams like NJ and the Rangers lucking out all the time.


Yes, they do.

This year I didn't care if MTL won, knowing they couldn't be worse than 3rd was enough. I do feel like Wright is the crown jewel of the class, but I feel like a bunch of options at 2 - 5 could be really good too.
Calder finalists  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2022 12:32 pm : link
announced.

Seider
Bunting
Zegras

Zegras should win, but Seider will IMO.

Another month of the season Caufield takes this IMO (or is at least a finalist), but he had such a bad long stretch from November to February (lol) he played himself out of contention - though he finished the season furiously it wasn't enough.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2022 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15705157 BrettNYG10 said:
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I didn't watch but I can't believe EDM is on the brink again. Three more years until McDavid signs with the Rangers.


McDavid for #1 overall, Jeff Petry and Carey Price.

Who says no?
Probably EDM, lol.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/11/2022 1:07 pm : link
At least the Devils haven't had Edmonton's luck. That was brutal.
RE: With Wright probably going #1  
Jay on the Island : 5/11/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15704749 Stu11 said:
Quote:
The draft will start at #2. Very interesting to see where the Devils go with it. Logan Coolie is the next ranked guy but with Jack and Nico I don't think we're dying for another small C but he is talented. I have a feeling they go Cutter Gauthier or the #1 Euro skater that 6'4 winger Slafkovsky who exploded at the Olympics for 7 goals. They need size on the wing. I like how Slaf got dirty goals in the Olympic tournament but it was just 7-10 days of hockey so we'll see.

I would be happy with Slafkovsky or Cooley. You can never have too many centers even if the Devils are currently very deep with Hughes, Hischier, Mercer, and Boqvist plus Sharangovich can also play center. They can always move Mercer and/or Boqvist to the wing if they draft Cooley.
Why the hell is Ruff still employed?  
Jay on the Island : 5/11/2022 1:42 pm : link
The Devils made the mistake of hiring him over Gallant and I pray that they don't make an even bigger mistake by keeping him when Trotz is available. Even if Trotz doesn't want to coach there are much better options especially if Boudreau becomes available. Hell even their AHL coach Kevin Dineen would be a great replacement. Dineen did an excellent job this season in Utica developing the young prospects.
.  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2022 3:16 pm : link
NHL Player Safety
@NHLPlayerSafety
· 16m
Edmonton’s Darnell Nurse has been suspended for one game for Head-butting Los Angeles’ Phillip Danault. https://nhl.com/video/nurse-su
Jack Eichel  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2022 7:15 pm : link
played the last 6 weeks of the season with a broken thumb. You hear shit like this all the time after the season and sometimes it provides the context for what you saw.
Pens lose Game 5  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/11/2022 9:48 pm : link
Up 2-0, then everything changes when Crosby gets hurt. Not good losing the best player on the ice. They’ve in trouble if he’s seriously hurt
Yup  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2022 9:53 pm : link
losing Crosby changes everything.

Even with Crosby I felt like the Rangers are the better team but without Crosby the Rangers have a cake walk (if they show up).

FL was on the brink of doom, down 3 - 0, came all the way back and leads 4 - 3.

Carter Verhaege is becoming a playoff legend.
RE: Pens lose Game 5  
BrettNYG10 : 5/11/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15705899 MyNameIsMyName said:
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Up 2-0, then everything changes when Crosby gets hurt. Not good losing the best player on the ice. They’ve in trouble if he’s seriously hurt


Best player? How can you say that when Ryan Reaves is out there?
RE: Yup  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/11/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15705911 pjcas18 said:
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losing Crosby changes everything.

Even with Crosby I felt like the Rangers are the better team but without Crosby the Rangers have a cake walk (if they show up).

FL was on the brink of doom, down 3 - 0, came all the way back and leads 4 - 3.

Carter Verhaege is becoming a playoff legend.


I’m a Pens fan. I thought we’d lose 4-0 or 4-1. No idea how they are wining the series. After the first line, it’s rough, then add in the 3rd string goalie. I wanted to blow up the team the past few years. They better not resign Malkin or Letang.

I’ve been rooting hard for the Caps
RE: RE: Pens lose Game 5  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/11/2022 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15705912 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15705899 MyNameIsMyName said:


Quote:


Up 2-0, then everything changes when Crosby gets hurt. Not good losing the best player on the ice. They’ve in trouble if he’s seriously hurt



Best player? How can you say that when Ryan Reaves is out there?


I forgot about him. 2nd best
RE: RE: With Wright probably going #1  
Stu11 : 5/11/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15705352 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15704749 Stu11 said:


Quote:


The draft will start at #2. Very interesting to see where the Devils go with it. Logan Coolie is the next ranked guy but with Jack and Nico I don't think we're dying for another small C but he is talented. I have a feeling they go Cutter Gauthier or the #1 Euro skater that 6'4 winger Slafkovsky who exploded at the Olympics for 7 goals. They need size on the wing. I like how Slaf got dirty goals in the Olympic tournament but it was just 7-10 days of hockey so we'll see.


I would be happy with Slafkovsky or Cooley. You can never have too many centers even if the Devils are currently very deep with Hughes, Hischier, Mercer, and Boqvist plus Sharangovich can also play center. They can always move Mercer and/or Boqvist to the wing if they draft Cooley.


Yeah I did a deeper dive in today and it seems like there is no clear cut #2, but there are 3 tremendously talented guys in Cooley, Slaf and Nemec. Nemec seems to have top pairing potential. Seeing as they took L. Hughes last year I don't think they're as desperate this year for one. Seems to like Slaf probably is the best fit with his size and finishing ability next to a guy like Hughes. However outside the Olympics his #'s don't blow you away. I think all things equal I think Cooley is probably the 2nd best player in the draft. Didn't realize how good of a 2 way player he is on top of his elite point production potential. Even though it doesn't fit our needs as much it's really hard to pass up on such a talent when your picking #2.
Sullivan seems  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/11/2022 10:21 pm : link
To think the hit on Crosby was dirty. Looked a bit high, but I didn’t see dirty
RE: Sullivan seems  
Anakim : 5/11/2022 11:25 pm : link
In comment 15705947 MyNameIsMyName said:
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To think the hit on Crosby was dirty. Looked a bit high, but I didn’t see dirty


Sullivan is a piece of shit
RE: RE: Sullivan seems  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/12/2022 1:22 am : link
In comment 15705964 Anakim said:
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In comment 15705947 MyNameIsMyName said:


Quote:


To think the hit on Crosby was dirty. Looked a bit high, but I didn’t see dirty



Sullivan is a piece of shit


Why’s that? Besides he wins, and you’re jealous.
Sullivan is the best  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2022 8:08 am : link
coach in the league IMO and having met him at one of my coaching clinics I can also say a fine person.

I get fan hate between teams, but no one feels like he is a crybaby or a piece of shit except for Rangers fans or I don't know maybe Caps or Flyers fans I guess.
.  
arcarsenal : 5/12/2022 8:47 am : link
Sullivan is the reason the Pens are in this position, IMO.

The Rangers are the better team, but Gallant has been outclassed.
4 possible  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2022 9:15 am : link
game 6 handshake games tonight (every game 6 is a possible handshake game lol) and 4 possible game 7's or something in between. 2 potentially on the road (CAR up 3-2 @BOS and TOR up 3-2 @TBL) and 2 with home teams looking to close out series at home (STL vs MIN and LAK vs EDM).

I root for OT's and game 7's, and so far not a lot of OTs.
Hart finalists named  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2022 10:34 am : link
no surprises:

McDavid
Matthews
Igor

I begrudgingly have to give it to Matthews
Larry Brooks is reporting no discipline hearing  
Essex : 5/12/2022 10:36 am : link
...
RE: Larry Brooks is reporting no discipline hearing  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15706169 Essex said:
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...


I think that's the right decision.
Yea  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/12/2022 10:43 am : link
Correct decision imo
Hockey World Championship  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2022 1:10 pm : link
starts tomorrow.

USA had a tune up and lost to Canada in a shootout.

USA schedule:
5/13: Latvia
5/15: Austria
5/16: Finland
5/19: Great Britain
5/21: Sweden
5/23: Czechia
5/24: Norway

5/26: QF
5/28: SF
5/29: Medal games

Big names on USA roster:
Jones brothers (Seth and Caleb)
Nate Schmidt
Luke Hughes (Jack and Quinn brother)

mostly younger forwards
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/12/2022 8:29 pm : link
Boston putting on a penalty killing clinic.
No Rangers tonight and Mets with an easy win  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/12/2022 9:28 pm : link
allowing me to enjoy the games tonight without being a complete maniac. Pulling hard for Toronto. I can't watch TB win a 3rd in a row and 4th since 2004 I believe. Also pulling for Boston only to force a game 7 just in the unlikely event the Rangers advance. I dislike both Bos and Car.
Hate TOR and BOS  
pjcas18 : 5/12/2022 9:29 pm : link
so I always root against them.

That TBL meltdown end of the 2nd was pitiful.
Bolts and Leafs head to OT  
Greg from LI : 5/12/2022 10:16 pm : link
.
Tampa survives  
Greg from LI : 5/12/2022 11:01 pm : link
Two game 7s forced tonight. Let's see if the Oilers make it three.
Blues/Avalanche should be an incredible series  
Anakim : 5/13/2022 12:25 am : link
Avalanche are the best team in the West, but the Blues have been red hot. I think the Avalanche will win the series, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it goes the distance. Will Kuemper play?



I think the Bruins upset the Hurricanes in Carolina for Game 7

I think Maple Leafs take Game 7 over the Lightning. Man, I would not want to be in Toronto if the Maple Leafs drop Game 7 at home...

I think the Oilers will hold on to the lead tonight and then win Game 7 at home as well
RE: Blues/Avalanche should be an incredible series  
Anakim : 5/13/2022 12:33 am : link
In comment 15707154 Anakim said:
Quote:
Avalanche are the best team in the West, but the Blues have been red hot. I think the Avalanche will win the series, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it goes the distance. Will Kuemper play?



I think the Bruins upset the Hurricanes in Carolina for Game 7

I think Maple Leafs take Game 7 over the Lightning. Man, I would not want to be in Toronto if the Maple Leafs drop Game 7 at home...

I think the Oilers will hold on to the lead tonight and then win Game 7 at home as well


And just as I say that, Kings tie the game and McDavid gets hurt
Figures  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 8:11 am : link
I fell asleep before OT in TB.

I was thinking how invisible Point has been, good to see him get the OT GW.

3 7's on Saturday. Something screams slot machine about that.

What happened to McDavid? Did he come back in the game?
RE: Figures  
Anakim : 5/13/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15707253 pjcas18 said:
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I fell asleep before OT in TB.

I was thinking how invisible Point has been, good to see him get the OT GW.

3 7's on Saturday. Something screams slot machine about that.

What happened to McDavid? Did he come back in the game?


Yeah, he came back. He's fine. It looked like he fucked his shoulder up, but he was back out there skating like only he can.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/13/2022 9:06 am : link
I wanted the Rangers to sign Kane even though he's a huge douche. Seven goals so far.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 9:24 am : link
In comment 15707317 BrettNYG10 said:
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I wanted the Rangers to sign Kane even though he's a huge douche. Seven goals so far.


If the habs were a contender (or close) I'd have been all over signing Kane. It's not often you get a player that caliber for that price and in the realm of shit players do his infractions (based on what I have read) don't move the needle (for me, lol).

Some  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 4:12 pm : link
World Championship results:

USA beat Latvia 4 - 1 (goals from Riley Barber (Kieffer Bellows assist), Seth Jones, Thomas Bordeleau, and Sam Lafferty

Canada beat Germany 5 - 3 (Pierre Luc Dubois, Thomas Chabot, Kent Johnson, Josh Anderson, Ryan Graves, Batherson, Cozens, etc on Canada - easily the most talented team in the tournament - Moritz Seider, Tim Stutzle, Grubbauer the key players on Germany)

Finland beat Norway 5 - 0

Slovakia beat France 4 - 2



Lindsay Award Finalists Named  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 9:05 pm : link
Matthews, McDavid and Josi

most outstanding player, this award gets voted on by the players.

Caps  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 10:22 pm : link
tie it up in WAS with the net empty on the PP.

1 min left. We could get an OT
Panthers  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 10:54 pm : link
close it out on the road. Carter Verhaeghe becoming a legend.
I think the Panthers  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 11:43 pm : link
ended the longest NHL drought for a team to go without winning a playoff series (26 years)
Stars up by one with 15 minutes to go  
Anakim : 5/13/2022 11:52 pm : link
If they lose, they're knocked out. If the Flames lose, ANOTHER GAME 7!
RE: Stars up by one with 15 minutes to go  
Anakim : 5/14/2022 12:20 am : link
In comment 15708279 Anakim said:
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If they lose, they're knocked out. If the Flames lose, ANOTHER GAME 7!


And we will be having ANOTHER Game 7 Stars win.
5 game 7's  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 10:45 am : link
this weekend couldn't ask for more.

I think that's a record. Not a lot of OT drama though.

So, 3 7's today:

BOS @ CAR @ 4:30? WTF - way to go NHL
TBL @ TOR @ 7
LAK @ EDM @ 10 (McDavid leads the playoffs with 12 pts in 6 games)

great day for hockey fans.

RE: 5 game 7's  
BrettNYG10 : 5/14/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15708414 pjcas18 said:
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this weekend couldn't ask for more.

I think that's a record. Not a lot of OT drama though.

So, 3 7's today:

BOS @ CAR @ 4:30? WTF - way to go NHL
TBL @ TOR @ 7
LAK @ EDM @ 10 (McDavid leads the playoffs with 12 pts in 6 games)

great day for hockey fans.


Why couldn't we do 3, 6, and 9?
WTF Markstrom  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 2:04 pm : link
Carey Price would have saved this, lol.

This is textbook traffic in front and layers by the Stars and not bad D by the Flames.

Nice job by Heiskanen to get this on net for the go ahead goal late.

This should be such a fun game  
Anakim : 5/14/2022 4:31 pm : link
I think the Bruins upset the Hurricanes
@ a bar in Portsmouth, NH...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2022 4:34 pm : link
Bunch of Bruins fans here. Between NBA & NHL, there are five Game 7s today & tomorrow. Love it.
RE: @ a bar in Portsmouth, NH...  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15708649 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Bunch of Bruins fans here. Between NBA & NHL, there are five Game 7s today & tomorrow. Love it.


5 just in the NHL, 7 if you include the NBA
pjcas18.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2022 4:37 pm : link
Gotcha. My bad. The more, the merrier. Haha.
McAvoy  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 4:49 pm : link
may never win a Norris, he might not even ever be a finalist, but the list of D I'd take ahead of him if I'm starting a team is basically Makar.
Hurricanes up 1-0  
Anakim : 5/14/2022 5:16 pm : link
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And a 4-minute minor coming up  
Anakim : 5/14/2022 5:17 pm : link
Carolina building momentum
What a period  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 5:21 pm : link
how can you not love playoff hockey.
2-1 Hurricanes  
Anakim : 5/14/2022 5:46 pm : link
Pretty crazy how everyone in that Stepan/Raanta trade is a Hurricane…except Lias Andersson.
RE: 2-1 Hurricanes  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15708678 Anakim said:
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Pretty crazy how everyone in that Stepan/Raanta trade is a Hurricane…except Lias Andersson.


I think Lias has been a healthy scratch so far for LAK.
This Domi dude is killing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2022 6:10 pm : link
Boston.
As much as I hate the Bruins  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 6:39 pm : link
I hate the Canes too (but not as much as the Bruins), so hoping for a Bruins comeback to force OT and then the Bruins losing in OT in painful, dramatic fashion.

pjcas18.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2022 6:50 pm : link
Who is favorite in Bolts-Leafs? I sorta have a soft spot for Toronto, seeing as they haven't won it since Lyndon Johnson was president. And it is a cool city.
RE: pjcas18.  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15708716 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Who is favorite in Bolts-Leafs? I sorta have a soft spot for Toronto, seeing as they haven't won it since Lyndon Johnson was president. And it is a cool city.


It was close, maybe even 50/50 but TOR was the home team and has the best player on either team (Auston Matthews), so if you had to pick a favorite (not considering how small TOR has consistently come up in the playoffs in the past and not considering TBL are two time defending champs) I think most people would pick TOR.
Obviously still extremely unlikely for Boston,  
Mad Mike : 5/14/2022 7:16 pm : link
but they're keeping a little drama in it.
Canes advance.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2022 7:25 pm : link
As my cousin just said, 'Hopefully this isn't a weekend trend for Boston teams playing a Game 7.'
Fucking leafs  
djm : 5/14/2022 9:20 pm : link
Is there any doubt they lose this game? My close friend and his whole family are die hard leaf’s fans. You want to talk about a long suffering fan base….
Leafs  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 9:48 pm : link
being the Leafs sets up the battle of Florida.
Congrats Leafs  
Stu11 : 5/14/2022 9:50 pm : link
The 1967 chant has now become more pathetic than the 1940 one. 55 years and counting...
Who chants 1967?  
Snablats : 5/14/2022 9:56 pm : link
??
I will say this  
pjcas18 : 5/14/2022 10:04 pm : link
Campbell played great, so I was way off base on that, he did have a poor second half, but turned it on in the playoffs.

they did not lose because of Campbell.

two great game 7's so far. Need an OT though. figures if we get one it will be the late game.
Same old fucking Leafs.  
Shepherdsam : 5/14/2022 10:14 pm : link
Doing the same old Leaf things.

Go Giants.
Leafs earn the dubious distinction of becoming  
Mad Mike : 5/15/2022 12:38 am : link
the first nba/nhl/mlb team to lose in the first round (including the qualifying round in 2020) of the playoffs in a winner takes all game 5 years in a row.
I know how good McDavid  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 8:34 am : link
is and it's not like I don't acknowledge it, but sometimes when you don't watch him play live for a while you can forget just how good he is.

There is no one close to him right now in the NHL - and that's to say nothing about how good players like MacKinnon, Makar, Barkov, etc. are - McDavid is just that much better.

what an amazing game he had last night. Every time the puck is on his stick and he gets his feet moving he still looks like that kid in youth hockey who is just more talented than everyone else.

USA in a 2 - 0  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 10:33 am : link
hole late 2nd period to Austria (yes, Austria), just had Kieffer Bellows with a nice individual effort to cut the lead in half.
USA ties  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 11:27 am : link
it, not much offense for USA.

David Quinn is the USA coach.

should get some reinforcements this week since the Wild lost. Ryan Hartman, Matthew Boldy and John Merrill heading over to Finland.
USA headed to  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 11:35 am : link
OT with...Austria. Yes, Austria.

The Austria coaches goal coming in to this tournament "just hope one team is below us in the standings so we can remain in the tournament"

Worlds is not a memorandum on the best because so many players don't play in it, but Austria is basically a D-II college team. This might be a low point for USA hockey on the international stage.
Luke Hughes  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 11:40 am : link
wins it in OT.

Maybe some Bruins  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 12:30 pm : link
want to play - McAvoy, Grzelcyk (if healthy), Coyle, Clifton, Swayman - all upgrades on current roster

same obviously with Auston Matthews, Jack Campbell or Jonathan Quick
Jesus Christ  
Anakim : 5/15/2022 2:29 pm : link
Tom Gulitti
@TomGulittiNHL

Carl Hagelin said he took a stick blade directly to his left eye and ruptured the choroid in the back of the eye. He’s had two surgeries, the last one about a month ago. He said he won’t get 100 percent of vision back but he’s being optimistic and will work to play next season
I read that earlier  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 2:37 pm : link
I forgot Staal (Marc) had a serious eye injury too.

The worst one I remember was Bryan Berard, and he was a phenom coming in to the NHL (Calder winner, etc) and still had a decent career after the injury.

RE: Luke Hughes  
Stu11 : 5/15/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15709179 pjcas18 said:
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wins it in OT.

Not that it should affect the pick at #2 but the fact that Hughes has the upside as a top pairing guy is why I don't think the Devil's will go Nemec or Jiricek with the pick.
RE: RE: Luke Hughes  
Jay on the Island : 5/15/2022 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15709378 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15709179 pjcas18 said:


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wins it in OT.



Not that it should affect the pick at #2 but the fact that Hughes has the upside as a top pairing guy is why I don't think the Devil's will go Nemec or Jiricek with the pick.

Hughes looks like a future star but the Devils could always use another great defensive prospect if he is the clear BPA. If they stay at 2 though I think they have to go Cooley or Slafkovsky before Nemec.
I agree Jay  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 9:38 pm : link
I think the NHL draft is 99.999% of the time about something we say here for the NFL draft, but is much more real in the NHL: "Best Player Available"

I can't remember ever hearing an NHL team say they have too many good D or too many centers.

trades are a lot more common/easier in the NHL because contracts are all guaranteed
Calgary  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 10:57 pm : link
is absolutely dominating this game in every facet except the one that matters.
Man  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/15/2022 11:03 pm : link
What a frustrating series for my Pens. Thought they’d lose in 4 or 5. Played much much better than I thought. Especially considering the injuries. The future doesn’t look very bright. I wanted to blow it up years ago, when we could’ve gotten value for the players. No way would I resign Malkin or Letang. Not much young talent, and lack of draft picks.
RE: Man  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15709735 MyNameIsMyName said:
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What a frustrating series for my Pens. Thought they’d lose in 4 or 5. Played much much better than I thought. Especially considering the injuries. The future doesn’t look very bright. I wanted to blow it up years ago, when we could’ve gotten value for the players. No way would I resign Malkin or Letang. Not much young talent, and lack of draft picks.


the good news is Crosby was still the best player on the ice for either team, and I used to think Guentzel was a product of Crosby, but I no longer think that. Guentzel is a heck of a player.
RE: I agree Jay  
Stu11 : 5/15/2022 11:25 pm : link
In comment 15709624 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
I think the NHL draft is 99.999% of the time about something we say here for the NFL draft, but is much more real in the NHL: "Best Player Available"

I can't remember ever hearing an NHL team say they have too many good D or too many centers.

trades are a lot more common/easier in the NHL because contracts are all guaranteed

Oh I agree but it's really hard to differentiate who is the BPA in the next group of 4 players after Wright. I still think the Devs go Slaf. His size and skill on the wing at his age will be too enticing to pass up.
RE: Calgary  
Stu11 : 5/15/2022 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15709730 pjcas18 said:
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is absolutely dominating this game in every facet except the one that matters.

Good lord 42-12 in shots after 2. It truly is what makes Hockey unique as opposed to the other sports. You can absolutely do into the other team from 1-18 amongst the skater, but one player on the other team can literally steal the game.
Jake Oettinger  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 11:43 pm : link
is having an all-time great goalie playoff game, he has been unreal.
RE: RE: I agree Jay  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15709743 Stu11 said:
Quote:
In comment 15709624 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


I think the NHL draft is 99.999% of the time about something we say here for the NFL draft, but is much more real in the NHL: "Best Player Available"

I can't remember ever hearing an NHL team say they have too many good D or too many centers.

trades are a lot more common/easier in the NHL because contracts are all guaranteed


Oh I agree but it's really hard to differentiate who is the BPA in the next group of 4 players after Wright. I still think the Devs go Slaf. His size and skill on the wing at his age will be too enticing to pass up.


hard to say and not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I think it's good.

I'd probably go Cooley, he plays C and and plays what they call a "defensively responsible" game. He's just not physically big.

Slafkovsky had a great olympics, I just don't know if that's what you will get with him in the NHL, but....6'4 220 at 18 is rare

So many options after Wright all have pros and cons.
Johnny Gaudreau  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 12:05 am : link
and Matthew Tkachuk have each been robbed no shit 3 or 4 times on point blank gimmes by Oettinger.
Two game 7 OT's  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 12:16 am : link
nice...
I honestly can't explain how Calgary didn't just score  
Stu11 : 5/16/2022 12:57 am : link
In that sequence
And fittingly Gaudreau ends the classic  
Stu11 : 5/16/2022 1:01 am : link
All time performance but Oettinger. 60 saved.
So we have an all-Florida matchup and an all-Alberta matchup  
Anakim : 5/16/2022 6:50 am : link
Avalanche-Blues will be the best series, IMO. That's going to be so much fun to watch. I think they're the top-2 teams in the West so seeing them battle it out in this round will be awesome.
First playoff edition of the Battle of Alberta in 31 years  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2022 8:21 am : link
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Pretty exciting second round  
Anakim : 5/16/2022 10:08 am : link
All-Florida
All-Alberta
The top-2 teams in the West, IMO, playing against each other
And of course, our team playing against the Jerks, which includes a bunch of our former players.


Exciting shit. I'll go with Panthers in 6, Avalanche in 7, Flames in 7 and...YOU ALREADY KNOW.
for youngsters like Anak  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2022 10:40 am : link
Check out some of those old late 1980s Oilers-Flames playoff games on YouTube. Those were serious heavyweight bouts.
First Battle of Alberta for me  
Kyle in NY : 5/16/2022 10:44 am : link
Was pulling hard for the Flames in OT to get that matchup. Oettinger put on an all-time performance, felt like it was never going to happen for Calgary

I don't think I realized how good a season Johnny Gaudreau had, just seeing less of the west coast teams. Always was a very good player, but he puts up 115 points in a contract year. Time to get paid. Fun player
RE: for youngsters like Anak  
Anakim : 5/16/2022 10:45 am : link
In comment 15709997 Greg from LI said:
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Check out some of those old late 1980s Oilers-Flames playoff games on YouTube. Those were serious heavyweight bouts.


The old Lanny MacDonald series?
Among others  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2022 10:57 am : link
Flames in those years had guys like Al MacInnis, Hakan Loob (kind of forgotten today but was a high scoring winger), Joey Mullen, Doug Gilmour, Gary Suter, Gary Roberts, Joe Nieuwendyk, Joel Otto (who was one of the best defensive centers of the era). Had the young Brett Hull too but traded him away as a rookie for...uh....reasons?
.  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 11:35 am : link
Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
· 1m
Lane Lambert has been named head coach of the New York Islanders. He would have had opportunities elsewhere.
Golden Knights fired HC Pete DeBoer  
Anakim : 5/16/2022 12:06 pm : link
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At the worlds  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 3:01 pm : link
USA losing 4 - 0 to Finland (halfway though the 2nd). Finland has no one special on their team (Joel Armia, Mikael Granlund, Valtteri Flippula - I think that's it for NHLers) USA is just bad. though 3 of Finland's 4 goals came on the PP.

Canada beat Slovakia 5 - 1
Latvia beat Norway 3 - 2
USA lost  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 3:54 pm : link
4 - 1. avoided the shutout with a Galchenyuk goal.
Surprised he's even doubtful  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 3:56 pm : link
that looked like a torn ACL.

NHL.com
@NHLdotcom
·
1m
Brayden Point is doubtful for Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Second Round when the Lightning visit the Panthers on Tuesday.

The forward has a lower-body injury.
RE: I agree Jay  
Jay on the Island : 5/16/2022 6:37 pm : link
In comment 15709624 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
I think the NHL draft is 99.999% of the time about something we say here for the NFL draft, but is much more real in the NHL: "Best Player Available"

I can't remember ever hearing an NHL team say they have too many good D or too many centers.

trades are a lot more common/easier in the NHL because contracts are all guaranteed

Yeah you can never have too many of either. If you have too many centers then all you have to do is move some to wing. Cooley may be small but he is a good defender which is why I am leaning towards him being the #2 pick. Slafkovsky is very talented but as you mentioned he was only really great during the Olympics which concerns me. Was it just a hot streak that he won't ever match again or is it a sign of things to come?

As for the Devils defense the only long term pieces IMO are Hamilton, Luke Hughes, and Siegenthaler. They have several promising D prospects (Bahl, Mukhamadullin, Walsh, Okhotiuk) but none of them look like sure thing top 4 players. If Nemec is the BPA then I would be very happy with him.

Goaltending is their biggest need but unfortunately there aren't any worth of a 1st round pick. I still hope they land one in the 2nd or 3rd.
RE: RE: I agree Jay  
Stu11 : 5/16/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15710611 Jay on the Island said:
Quote:
In comment 15709624 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


I think the NHL draft is 99.999% of the time about something we say here for the NFL draft, but is much more real in the NHL: "Best Player Available"

I can't remember ever hearing an NHL team say they have too many good D or too many centers.

trades are a lot more common/easier in the NHL because contracts are all guaranteed


Yeah you can never have too many of either. If you have too many centers then all you have to do is move some to wing. Cooley may be small but he is a good defender which is why I am leaning towards him being the #2 pick. Slafkovsky is very talented but as you mentioned he was only really great during the Olympics which concerns me. Was it just a hot streak that he won't ever match again or is it a sign of things to come?

As for the Devils defense the only long term pieces IMO are Hamilton, Luke Hughes, and Siegenthaler. They have several promising D prospects (Bahl, Mukhamadullin, Walsh, Okhotiuk) but none of them look like sure thing top 4 players. If Nemec is the BPA then I would be very happy with him.

Goaltending is their biggest need but unfortunately there aren't any worth of a 1st round pick. I still hope they land one in the 2nd or 3rd.

I'd like to see the Devs sign Graves to an extension this summer. I agree man that #2 pick is a tough. From what I've read Slaf has been impressive at the Worlds. Getting top line minutes. Nemec is so intriguing too. I almost wish it was like the NFL and we could trade back 2 or 3 spots and add an asset or two. Honestly from what I'm reading I don't think you go wrong with any of the 3. Btw evidently Slaf impressed In his league playoffs. Nemec sounds like he is able to get top pairing minutes in his league as an 18 year old and was really impressive offensively in his playoffs.
Jay it sounds like Campbell is not likely to return to Toronto  
Stu11 : 5/16/2022 7:14 pm : link
They really low balled him with their first offer. I'd be interested in him for the Devs. A tandem of him and Blackwood could work. Hopefully one of the would grab the reigns but even if not we could have a Carolina type situation. I though he held up well vs Tampa. They lost game 7 because they're scorers disappeared.
RE: RE: RE: I agree Jay  
Jay on the Island : 5/16/2022 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15710639 Stu11 said:
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I'd like to see the Devs sign Graves to an extension this summer. I agree man that #2 pick is a tough. From what I've read Slaf has been impressive at the Worlds. Getting top line minutes. Nemec is so intriguing too. I almost wish it was like the NFL and we could trade back 2 or 3 spots and add an asset or two. Honestly from what I'm reading I don't think you go wrong with any of the 3. Btw evidently Slaf impressed In his league playoffs. Nemec sounds like he is able to get top pairing minutes in his league as an 18 year old and was really impressive offensively in his playoffs.

I would be happy to trade down to 4 if they could land Seattle's 1st next year but I seriously doubt that Seattle do that. Take whoever if leftover at 4 between Cooley, Slafkovsky, and Nemec at 4.
RE: Jay it sounds like Campbell is not likely to return to Toronto  
Jay on the Island : 5/16/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15710643 Stu11 said:
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They really low balled him with their first offer. I'd be interested in him for the Devs. A tandem of him and Blackwood could work. Hopefully one of the would grab the reigns but even if not we could have a Carolina type situation. I though he held up well vs Tampa. They lost game 7 because they're scorers disappeared.

I wanted him earlier in the year but he really struggled during the second half. He did play very well in the playoffs so I would still like the Devils to land him if he's willing to sign a 1-2 year deal.
Friedman reporting  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/17/2022 5:13 pm : link
... That Trotz interviewed with Winnipeg today.

This would lend credence to the closer to home theory if he takes that job over Vegas bucks.
Mike Smith  
pjcas18 : 5/18/2022 10:03 pm : link
Yanked in CAL. the flames scored three goals in 6 min
RE: Mike Smith  
Anakim : 5/19/2022 12:14 am : link
In comment 15712933 pjcas18 said:
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Yanked in CAL. the flames scored three goals in 6 min


WTF is going on in that game? It's 8-6 Flames in the third period
9-6 final....insane  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2022 2:49 am : link
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9-6 wow  
MyNameIsMyName : 5/19/2022 6:03 am : link
Glad to see the Canes pull it out
That battle of  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2022 9:53 am : link
Alberta game 1 was awesome.

a little bit of everything.

If I'm starting a team today and have to pick either McDavid or Tkachuk it's not as easy a decision as people think. It's probably still McDavid, but Tkachuk can put a hat trick, and kick your ass - like an old school hockey throw back.

and he hits like a truck.

Lucic is still a dick, but CAL has so much sandpaper, grit and skill - more than any team I remember.

RE: That battle of  
Jay on the Island : 5/19/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15713161 pjcas18 said:
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Alberta game 1 was awesome.

a little bit of everything.

If I'm starting a team today and have to pick either McDavid or Tkachuk it's not as easy a decision as people think. It's probably still McDavid, but Tkachuk can put a hat trick, and kick your ass - like an old school hockey throw back.

and he hits like a truck.

Lucic is still a dick, but CAL has so much sandpaper, grit and skill - more than any team I remember.

I really wish that the Devils could get Tkachuk from Calgary. He is one of the few plays I would love to give up the #2 pick for. Obviously it would cost more than that but I would happily give up that pick plus Alexander Holtz, and another piece for Tkachuk.
RE: RE: That battle of  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2022 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15713330 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15713161 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


Alberta game 1 was awesome.

a little bit of everything.

If I'm starting a team today and have to pick either McDavid or Tkachuk it's not as easy a decision as people think. It's probably still McDavid, but Tkachuk can put a hat trick, and kick your ass - like an old school hockey throw back.

and he hits like a truck.

Lucic is still a dick, but CAL has so much sandpaper, grit and skill - more than any team I remember.



I really wish that the Devils could get Tkachuk from Calgary. He is one of the few plays I would love to give up the #2 pick for. Obviously it would cost more than that but I would happily give up that pick plus Alexander Holtz, and another piece for Tkachuk.


I'd trade #1 overall for Tkachuk, but MTL won't.
Holy fuck!  
Anakim : 5/19/2022 9:32 pm : link
The Lightning just scored the GWG with less than a second to go in the game. Weeger is a moron. That's a braindead, stupid-ass play.
RE: Holy fuck!  
Anakim : 5/19/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15713975 Anakim said:
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The Lightning just scored the GWG with less than a second to go in the game. Weeger is a moron. That's a braindead, stupid-ass play.


*4 seconds
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/19/2022 9:36 pm : link
TB showing the value of playoff experience. I thought the Panthers deserved to win.

Crushing loss.
Yep  
Greg from LI : 5/19/2022 9:38 pm : link
Wouldn't surprise me if Tampa sweeps now.
I like  
pjcas18 : 5/19/2022 9:42 pm : link
Huberdeau and Barkov, but even throughout the Capitals series I was constantly wondering how they were the 1 seed with a whopping + 94 goal differential. they just seem solid but not great.

Binnington  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2022 8:08 am : link
Looking like 2019(?)

And the Blues suffocate the AVs. Tie up that series.

Looked like Makar tore his ACL good to see him finish the game. Hope he’s ok.
Rick Bowness is down in Dallas  
Anakim : 5/20/2022 1:55 pm : link
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I still can't believe Bowness was still a head coach  
Greg from LI : 5/20/2022 2:56 pm : link
Guy has had how many chances? And never done much of anything with any of them?
In 12 seasons  
pjcas18 : 5/20/2022 3:17 pm : link
(full or partial) as a coach, Bowness teams have made the playoffs three times.

he did lose in the SCF once (to TBL with the Stars), but he's the epitome of a retread
RE: I still can't believe Bowness was still a head coach  
Jay on the Island : 5/20/2022 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15714478 Greg from LI said:
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Guy has had how many chances? And never done much of anything with any of them?

I couldn't either. He has a career winning % of .391
Binnington  
pjcas18 : 5/21/2022 9:03 pm : link
out for STL, Kadri drove the net and bowled him over.
Binnington  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2022 12:50 pm : link
out the rest of the series (at least).

Huge loss. Husso had a good year and in fact I believe leapfrogged Binnington as the starter but Binnington had been lights out in the playoffs and wasn't likely getting benched.

Technically Kadri did nothing wrong, much in the way Kreider did nothing wrong vs the Habs but having played as long as I have I feel like players sometimes look for the soft landing - picking goalie over post/boards. Not saying 100% in either case there was any intent, but also not much effort at avoidance (though in Kreider's case admittedly it would have been harder at his speed).
the latest in the Worlds  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2022 1:00 pm : link
USA beats Sweden in OT - their first "real" win of the tournament IMO.

they play the Czech's today - with Pastrnak, Hertl, Krejci, Vrana, Horonek, Kempny, (and Jiricek - 2022 draft top 5 rated prospect)

USA added Swayman and Merrill. Too bad no McAvoy or Grzelcyk
Girard  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2022 2:37 pm : link
out too - broken sternum (so painful), he was hit by Barbashev (penalty called)
Vasilevskiy is unbelievable  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/22/2022 3:02 pm : link
Fla has a textbook powerplay with half a dozen grade a chances and he shuts the door with an assist from macD.

Minutes later Stamkos scores and it's 3-1
RE: Vasilevskiy is unbelievable  
pjcas18 : 5/22/2022 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15715649 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Fla has a textbook powerplay with half a dozen grade a chances and he shuts the door with an assist from macD.

Minutes later Stamkos scores and it's 3-1


So, good and mobile for his size.
Vas reminds me of a story I heard a HOF'er tell months back  
Stu11 : 5/22/2022 6:37 pm : link
about the '76-79 Canadiens. He was like you somehow get by Cournoyer, Gainey, Lemaire, Larry Robinson, Guy Lapointe, Serge Savard, and Lafleur and then Ken friggen Dryden is waiting for you! Same with Lightning. You somehow get past all their elite skaters and then all you have is a probable future HOF'er in Vas waiting for you.
The Oilers are spanking the Flames  
Anakim : 5/22/2022 9:38 pm : link
That asshole Evander Kane just scored a hatty. He and McDavid have been unstoppable in the 2nd Period.
What a great series  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 7:46 am : link
in Alberta.

I am sort of surprised EDM is winning. I feel like Calgary is the better team (though they didn't play like it last night), but Edmonton has the best player.

A lot of fun to watch.
USA  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 8:05 am : link
plays the Czechs at the worlds *today* at 9:20 AM on NHLN.

After this, the only remaining game in the preliminary round is tomorrow at 9:20 vs Norway.

USA currently in 4th place in group B, tied with CZE in points (CZE leads in tie breakers) so this game likely breaks the tie between 3rd and 4th.

I'd be surprised if the US wins, but who knows with these tournaments.

The Czechs  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 11:41 am : link
won 1 - 0 best game I have seen in the whole tournament so far.

Doesn't help US at all and they missed so many "gimme" chances late in the game, but the quality was much better.
I know I really hate a team when  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/23/2022 7:35 pm : link
I am cheering at Radko Gudas hits...
Panthers making a huge push but Vasiliveski  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/23/2022 8:20 pm : link
is just a brick wall. IK this is inevitable but would like to see FLA extend this at least
Lightning strike first - 1-0  
Anakim : 5/23/2022 8:21 pm : link
Despite being outshot like 25 shots to 7. Haha. Gotta be frustrating for the Panthers.
I think that  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 8:25 pm : link
went out. Palat thought it went out.
Brother in law...big hockey fan...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/23/2022 8:30 pm : link
Says Bolts-Colorado Stanley Cup Finals seems inevitable.
Great challenge  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/23/2022 8:31 pm : link
.
RE: Brother in law...big hockey fan...  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/23/2022 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15716795 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Says Bolts-Colorado Stanley Cup Finals seems inevitable.


Maybe not "inevitable", but quite a chalky prediction anyway
Seems pretty clear it went out  
bigbluehoya : 5/23/2022 8:36 pm : link
But I don’t see where they found the direct evidence to overturn it.

But as long as Cooper’s smarmy ass is unhappy, you have my support.

Thinking during that replay — in the playoffs especially, there should be no penalty assessed for a challenge where the call is not overturned.
And there's a Kucherov snipe off the face-off  
Anakim : 5/23/2022 8:36 pm : link
2-0. Shots are 29-9 Florida.



Yikes.
That looked  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 8:37 pm : link
like a hand pass.

It's 1 -0 Anakim and probably not even 1 - 0
RE: And there's a Kucherov snipe off the face-off  
Anakim : 5/23/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15716808 Anakim said:
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2-0. Shots are 29-9 Florida.



Yikes.


Ah, they're reviewing it for a handpass and it looks like Cirelli did pass it back with his glove.
That is  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 8:38 pm : link
a hand pass and it's a penalty I think
RE: That looked  
Anakim : 5/23/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15716809 pjcas18 said:
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like a hand pass.

It's 1 -0 Anakim and probably not even 1 - 0


You saying I'm not a winner?
Can they put FLA  
bigbluehoya : 5/23/2022 8:38 pm : link
On the PP though?
RE: RE: That looked  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15716815 Anakim said:
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like a hand pass.

It's 1 -0 Anakim and probably not even 1 - 0



You saying I'm not a winner?


You said it. lol

but both goals came off the scoreboard - it's 0 - 0
Even Koharski (who is horrendous)  
Rob in Rockaway : 5/23/2022 8:39 pm : link
might get this right
RE: Can they put FLA  
pjcas18 : 5/23/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15716816 bigbluehoya said:
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On the PP though?


I guess not, but it is a penalty.
RE: RE: RE: That looked  
Anakim : 5/23/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15716817 pjcas18 said:
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like a hand pass.

It's 1 -0 Anakim and probably not even 1 - 0



You saying I'm not a winner?



You said it. lol

but both goals came off the scoreboard - it's 0 - 0


Haha yep
Sure is looking like whoever wins the Rangers-Canes series  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2022 11:26 pm : link
will just be a speed bump for Tampa
RE: Sure is looking like whoever wins the Rangers-Canes series  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 7:28 am : link
In comment 15716935 Greg from LI said:
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will just be a speed bump for Tampa


I don't think so, Greg. Igor will keep the Rangers in practically every game. Plus if Point is out for the the series I don't find TB to be that strong up the middle.

I like the Rangers chances with anyone in the league.
USA has one more game with Norway  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 8:32 am : link
(9:20 this morning) but regardless of the outcome USA clinches 4th place in Group B and plays Switzerland who clinched 1st place in Group A.
RE: USA has one more game with Norway  
Stu11 : 5/24/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15717012 pjcas18 said:
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(9:20 this morning) but regardless of the outcome USA clinches 4th place in Group B and plays Switzerland who clinched 1st place in Group A.

Nico Hischier is having a monster tournament. I thing 8 points so far. Had a huge goal vs Canada too. PJ I think it's just smoke, I think no way they pass on Wright, but seems like their are rumors the Habs are seriously considering Slaf at #1. I think Slaf is probably close to a shoe-in now at #2 for the Devs. It's no longer just the Olympics. He had a big playoff for his league team, and has once again been one of the best fwds at the WC.
RE: RE: USA has one more game with Norway  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 9:04 am : link
In comment 15717024 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15717012 pjcas18 said:


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(9:20 this morning) but regardless of the outcome USA clinches 4th place in Group B and plays Switzerland who clinched 1st place in Group A.


Nico Hischier is having a monster tournament. I thing 8 points so far. Had a huge goal vs Canada too. PJ I think it's just smoke, I think no way they pass on Wright, but seems like their are rumors the Habs are seriously considering Slaf at #1. I think Slaf is probably close to a shoe-in now at #2 for the Devs. It's no longer just the Olympics. He had a big playoff for his league team, and has once again been one of the best fwds at the WC.


I think they go Wright. But Slaf has size and you can't teach size. I think if they could trade out of #1 and get a 2023 1st from one of the bad teams who maybe needs/wants one of the top centers I'd do it. 2023 draft is supposed to be loaded.

Wright and Suzuki at Center though for the next decade though is probably too much to pass up.

Doubt this happens but I wouldn't be sad if it did  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 4:26 pm : link


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🎲 1st round pick '22 #1 overall
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🎲 1st round pick '23

If #CBJ end up around the same spot (~12) in '23 the trade is flush
Gotta say, I did not expect the Oilers to be dominating the Flames  
Greg from LI : 5/24/2022 10:54 pm : link
Although I feel vindicated in saying before that Markstrom is a weak link. He had a terrific season but he really isn't anything special. Getting outplayed by 75 year old Mike Smith
RE: Gotta say, I did not expect the Oilers to be dominating the Flames  
pjcas18 : 5/24/2022 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15717765 Greg from LI said:
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Although I feel vindicated in saying before that Markstrom is a weak link. He had a terrific season but he really isn't anything special. Getting outplayed by 75 year old Mike Smith


neither team has a cup winning goalie IMO.

either does COL though.

TBL or NYR.

and it's not revisionist history from me. I had the NYR winning the cup in October.
holy shit  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2022 12:01 am : link
Mike Smith
Unbelievable  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/25/2022 12:03 am : link
The deflation in that arena

Great shot too
RE: Unbelievable  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2022 12:10 am : link
In comment 15717802 Diversify yo bonds said:
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The deflation in that arena

Great shot too


yep, but EDM gets it back, hoping for a CAL goal and OT
Big goal by RNH  
Anakim : 5/25/2022 12:11 am : link
Oilers lead again
EDM  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2022 12:18 am : link
ices it
RE: EDM  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2022 12:18 am : link
In comment 15717806 pjcas18 said:
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ices it


the game, not the puck, lol
RE: RE: RE: USA has one more game with Norway  
Jay on the Island : 5/25/2022 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15717028 pjcas18 said:
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I think they go Wright. But Slaf has size and you can't teach size. I think if they could trade out of #1 and get a 2023 1st from one of the bad teams who maybe needs/wants one of the top centers I'd do it. 2023 draft is supposed to be loaded.

Wright and Suzuki at Center though for the next decade though is probably too much to pass up.

Slaf is putting my concerns at ease with his performance but I would still be very surprised if Montreal took him 1st over Wright. I would love it to happen but I just don't see them passing.

As for the trade down I want the same thing for the Devils preferably with a team like Seattle. The Devils would still be able to land either Nemec or possibly Cooley at 4 and that Seattle 2023 1st could be in the top 5. I know it would require the Devils to throw another piece in but I wouldn't hesitate if Seattle was willing to do it.
The 2023 draft is supposed to be so loaded  
pjcas18 : 5/25/2022 12:32 pm : link
and it's not a secret so I expect a lot of teams to look to trade down in this draft if it comes with a 2023 1st.

Sweet rush and dish by Buchnevich  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/25/2022 10:26 pm : link
Blues have cut it to one and we ha e a game. Rooting for some of these lopsided series to extend
Tied up  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/25/2022 10:33 pm : link
Lots of pressure from St Louis
And there's the hatty from Nathan MacK  
Anakim : 5/25/2022 10:36 pm : link
.
He's such a stud  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/25/2022 10:38 pm : link
End to end making tons of dekes at 25 mph. How did he elevate that?
Wow  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2022 10:38 pm : link
That was an incredible rush by MacKinnon.
RE: He's such a stud  
Anakim : 5/25/2022 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15718486 Diversify yo bonds said:
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End to end making tons of dekes at 25 mph. How did he elevate that?


Reminded me somewhat of the McDavid goal against Nemeth and the rest of the standing morons. But yeah, incredible goal.
Tied again  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/25/2022 10:45 pm : link
Poised passing with the extra man
Man I still miss Buch  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2022 10:46 pm : link
What a game. Blues don't quit.
RE: Man I still miss Buch  
Anakim : 5/25/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15718493 Greg from LI said:
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What a game. Blues don't quit.


Isn't there a thread that the trade with the Blues wasn't that bad?


Uh, yeah it was and it looks even worse now.
RE: Man I still miss Buch  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/25/2022 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15718493 Greg from LI said:
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What a game. Blues don't quit.


Watching Toews and Leddy display all the skating and puck movement the isles lacked is a real treat
And the Blues live to fight another day  
Anakim : 5/25/2022 11:09 pm : link
Bozak scores. Blues win in OT.
Bozak winner  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/25/2022 11:09 pm : link
On to game 6.
The Blues showed a lot of heart there  
Greg from LI : 5/25/2022 11:17 pm : link
Be interesting to see how Colorado responds.
Of course I fell asleep  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 8:50 am : link
WTF, I'm getting old.

Glad I DVRd the game - the Blues are just mostly a blue collar team with a complete team approach.
RE: RE: RE: RE: USA has one more game with Norway  
Stu11 : 5/26/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15718056 Jay on the Island said:
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I think they go Wright. But Slaf has size and you can't teach size. I think if they could trade out of #1 and get a 2023 1st from one of the bad teams who maybe needs/wants one of the top centers I'd do it. 2023 draft is supposed to be loaded.

Wright and Suzuki at Center though for the next decade though is probably too much to pass up.



Slaf is putting my concerns at ease with his performance but I would still be very surprised if Montreal took him 1st over Wright. I would love it to happen but I just don't see them passing.

As for the trade down I want the same thing for the Devils preferably with a team like Seattle. The Devils would still be able to land either Nemec or possibly Cooley at 4 and that Seattle 2023 1st could be in the top 5. I know it would require the Devils to throw another piece in but I wouldn't hesitate if Seattle was willing to do it.

While odds are everyone just sits tight and makes their picks, I do believe there is a higher chance for movement in terms of trading picks in the top 10 as opposed to recent years. With so much volatility from picks 2-5 or so you could see a team trading back a bit because they feel they could still get the guy they want. I don't buy the smoke that the Devils are open to trading #2 for a vet. Sure if somehow Tkachuck or DeBrincat were actually available they'd listen, but I don't think they will be. No way I'd trade #2 for Fialla. Odds are they stay put and draft Slaf. the guy is producing big time in tournaments and leagues with men, not JR leagues in Canada. He's tied for 4th in overall scoring and the leading fwd in ice time for Slovakia at the WC's. Thats good enough for me as an 18 yo who's 6'4 220.
Ottawa  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 9:55 am : link
is rumored to be looking to move #7 pick for an established player.

MTL would jump at this IMO and move players like Dvorak, Drouin, Petry (too old probably) maybe even a few others - not sure that's a great match.
RE: Ottawa  
Anakim : 5/26/2022 10:14 am : link
In comment 15718625 pjcas18 said:
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is rumored to be looking to move #7 pick for an established player.

MTL would jump at this IMO and move players like Dvorak, Drouin, Petry (too old probably) maybe even a few others - not sure that's a great match.


Can I interest them in Patrik Nemeth?
I think Chicago is a team to keep an eye on  
Stu11 : 5/26/2022 10:17 am : link
do they totally embrace the re-build and explore dealing Kane? The Seth Jones deal left them without a 1st rounder so it would seem if they are rebuilding they need picks. I just don't see how in their right minds they'd ever explore dealing DeBrincat.
RE: RE: Ottawa  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15718644 Anakim said:
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is rumored to be looking to move #7 pick for an established player.

MTL would jump at this IMO and move players like Dvorak, Drouin, Petry (too old probably) maybe even a few others - not sure that's a great match.



Can I interest them in Patrik Nemeth?


LOL, I doubt it but Kakko would fit for a few reasons.
RE: RE: RE: Ottawa  
Anakim : 5/26/2022 10:30 am : link
In comment 15718655 pjcas18 said:
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is rumored to be looking to move #7 pick for an established player.

MTL would jump at this IMO and move players like Dvorak, Drouin, Petry (too old probably) maybe even a few others - not sure that's a great match.



Can I interest them in Patrik Nemeth?



LOL, I doubt it but Kakko would fit for a few reasons.


Oh, fuck no. I'm not trading Kakko for the 7th overall pick
the last time the Rangers had the 7th pick  
Greg from LI : 5/26/2022 10:31 am : link
It....didn't work out so well
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ottawa  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15718667 Anakim said:
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is rumored to be looking to move #7 pick for an established player.

MTL would jump at this IMO and move players like Dvorak, Drouin, Petry (too old probably) maybe even a few others - not sure that's a great match.



Can I interest them in Patrik Nemeth?



LOL, I doubt it but Kakko would fit for a few reasons.



Oh, fuck no. I'm not trading Kakko for the 7th overall pick


Panarin?
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/26/2022 10:34 am : link
Panarin would only fetch a 7th rounder, not 7th overall, according to some here.
I know the tendency is  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 10:45 am : link
to say no, but Kakko for Matthew Savoie or Frankie Nazar or Cutter Gauthier or even Joakim Kemell (plus OTT would need to add to the trade) I'd have to think I might prefer them for a few reasons.

At the worlds  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 11:49 am : link
Pierre Luc-Dubois and Matthew Barzal scored 30 seconds apart with under 2 min left in the 3rd - both with the net empty as Canada tied Sweden in the QF.

Heading to OT.

Canada scores  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 11:58 am : link
43 seconds in to OT on a PP to win 4 - 3.

What a disaster for Sweden, they were up 3 - 0 heading into the 3rd.

USA  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 12:04 pm : link
vs Switzerland at 1:20 ET.

The Swiss came in 1st in their group, and they have Hischier, Timo Meier, Pius Suter, Philipp Kurashev for NHLers I recognize.
Holy shit  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 1:51 pm : link
what a goal by Adam Gaudette (OTT).

amazing individual effort.

USA up 2 - 0 with 3 min left in the 1st.
USA pulls off the  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 3:42 pm : link
"upset" and the 4 seed beats the 1 seed. 3 - 0. Ben Meyers (2) and Gaudette (1) the USA goals.

USA to the semis on Saturday

I believe it is USA vs Finland and Canada vs Czechia



Swayman  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 3:45 pm : link
with the SH gets POTG for USA.

Confirmed  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 6:02 pm : link
USA vs Finland Saturday at 7:20 AM

Canada vs the Czechs Saturday at 11:20 AM

Medal games on Sunday 8:20 (bronze) and 1:20 (gold)
Battle of Alberta  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 11:16 pm : link
is wild.

CAL up 2-0. EDM comes back and takes the lead 3-2.

CAL gets two quick ones up 4-3 now.
This game between between CGY and EDM is nuts. .  
rnargi : 5/26/2022 11:17 pm : link
4 goals in less than a minute! Holy cow.
Now EDM  
pjcas18 : 5/26/2022 11:17 pm : link
ties it.

must be 4 goals in the past 2 min.

still almost 4 min left in the 2nd.
The games this series in Calgary  
Stu11 : 5/26/2022 11:23 pm : link
Have been complete fire wagon hockey
Part of it is two teams with major scoring talent  
Greg from LI : 5/26/2022 11:25 pm : link
Part of it is two teams with weak goaltending. Either way, it's fun!
Holy shit  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2022 12:11 am : link
I can't believe they waved that off.
Yeah that was a crazy waive off  
Stu11 : 5/27/2022 12:19 am : link
I guess Toronto has decided that any sort of questionable goal late in a tie game they're gonna waive it off as you guys found out on the very first game of the playoffs. Wow this series compared to the Rangers-Canes it's like a different sport.
Shocked as well  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2022 12:20 am : link
With the overturn but at least we get OT
And that puck was definitely going in anyway  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2022 12:31 am : link
Really rotten break for Calgary
McDavid  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2022 12:41 am : link
Wins it. EDM moves on
Wow  
Greg from LI : 5/27/2022 12:44 am : link
Brutal way to get knocked out. Go ahead goal overturned on a terrible call and then lose on a softy in overtime.
Gonna be tough for them if they play Colorado.  
Stu11 : 5/27/2022 12:47 am : link
Smith will have to really up his game, but with three guys as hot as Connor Mac, Kane and Draisaitl you have to give them a chance.
RE: Wow  
Snablats : 5/27/2022 12:48 am : link
In comment 15719406 Greg from LI said:
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Brutal way to get knocked out. Go ahead goal overturned on a terrible call and then lose on a softy in overtime.

That wasnt a softy, it was a great hard shot from the slot. The mistake was two players going to the puck and leaving McDavid open

I thought the Flames goal should have counted, the worst part is it was going in anyway even if he didnt touch it
Like I said that Girard injury  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2022 9:39 pm : link
is a big one. Jack Johnson forced into action for COL.

Makes his presence felt. Fumbles the puck at the blue line, 2 on 1 the other way and a Kyrou buries a nice feed from Schenn to put STL up 2 - 1.

STL headed to a PP.
COL ties it up  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2022 10:23 pm : link
on the PP - kind of a softie.

under 10 left in the 3rd.
COL  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2022 10:40 pm : link
wins it with 5 seconds left (unless STL does the impossible)
COL  
pjcas18 : 5/27/2022 10:58 pm : link
vs EDM is going to be a fun series. I think Mike Smith gets exposed (again) but it's not like Kuemper is Hasek back there so while I think COL is the favorite, not ruling EDM out.
Buchnevich  
Snablats : 5/28/2022 12:49 am : link
1 goal in 12 playoff games. Had just 1 shot on goal tonight, 7 shots on goal for the series. Now 1 goal in 19 career playoff games

We criticize plenty of Rangers forwards for stats like that
By the way  
Snablats : 5/28/2022 12:51 am : link
Copp has 5 goals in this playoff run, Vatrano has 3
RE: COL  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/28/2022 1:49 am : link
In comment 15720058 pjcas18 said:
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wins it with 5 seconds left (unless STL does the impossible)


Kyrou is atrocious on the back check. Wins fastest skater, lets Erik fucking Johnson plod past him wide. Yields uncontested zone entry to a pylon, boom game over.

He was also the a prime culprit in the MacKinnon highlight reel goal. Complete ole in the neutral zone with a token poke attempt before gliding off. That shit loses games.
exactly DYB  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2022 9:31 am : link
and if you're Berube you certainly don't think you needed to worry about Erik Johnson and Darren Helm beating you.

Not going to lie, I didn't even know Helm was still in the league.

But I don't blame  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2022 10:34 am : link
Kyrou (or anyone necessarily) for the MacKinnon goal, sometimes the player just makes an incredible play and Leddy was just as much at fault as Kyrou who at least forced MacKinnon to the boards, just no one else was anywhere in the vicinity - MacKinnon was too fast.
USA lost to the Fins  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2022 1:50 pm : link
in the semis 4 - 3. it was 4 - 2, US got an ENG to close the gap with 1 min left but came up short. Miro Heiskanen a big add for Finland, but it's always embarrassing IMO for the US to lose to a country the size of Massachusetts.

They play for the bronze tomorrow likely vs CZE who is getting pasted by Canada 6 - 1.
USA leading the Czechs  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 9:15 am : link
after 1, 3 - 1. two Karson Kuhlman goals (1 SH) and 1 from Gaudette.

No NHL today for the first time in a long time. Kind of sad.
WCF Schedule  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 9:16 am : link
The Czechs  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 9:48 am : link
get one back, 3 - 2 USA end of 2. Should be a good final period.
Pasta  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 10:06 am : link
ties it a min in to the 3rd.

US has no momentum, I don't like the way this is probably going to end.
didn't take long  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 10:11 am : link
Czechs take the lead.
another one  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 10:13 am : link
Czechs up 5 - 3 - turning this off - need to tend to the smoker anyway.
Canada  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 3:40 pm : link
gets two empty net goals in the final 3 min to tie Finland in the gold medal game.
Fins  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2022 4:07 pm : link
win with a PP goal in OT on home ice to win the gold.
Jason Spezza  
pjcas18 : 5/30/2022 1:16 pm : link
announces his retirement, will work in the Leafs FO.
Oilers vs Avs  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 8:58 am : link
WCF starts tonight. I don't remember ever looking forward to a series that my team wasn't in as much as I'm looking forward to this one.

Whose talent wins?
McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc.
vs
MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog

will goalies determine the outcome?
RE: Oilers vs Avs  
Stu11 : 5/31/2022 9:15 am : link
In comment 15721650 pjcas18 said:
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WCF starts tonight. I don't remember ever looking forward to a series that my team wasn't in as much as I'm looking forward to this one.

Whose talent wins?
McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc.
vs
MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog

will goalies determine the outcome?

Yeah this is gonna be a fun series. Neither team's goaltending is anything special so there should be a lot of scoring.
Gotta love the hottie of a Prime Minister in Finland Cheering the Fins  
Stu11 : 5/31/2022 10:55 am : link
RE: Oilers vs Avs  
Diversify yo bonds : 5/31/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15721650 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
WCF starts tonight. I don't remember ever looking forward to a series that my team wasn't in as much as I'm looking forward to this one.

Whose talent wins?
McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc.
vs
MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog

will goalies determine the outcome?


Will be interesting. There are glaring weaknesses in the bottom pairs (Johnsons on ice together lol) and depth forwards. Managing the vulnerabilities will be as important as the star power.

I imagine makar is going to play ~30 minutes a game, McDavid will be double shifted a ton. Who cracks?

I imagine Kadri will be deployed on McD, but if they go best on best MacKinnon's line will feast. Edmonton bleeds so many chances
MacKinnon  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 8:47 pm : link
is fast, 2 - 1 Avs
Hyman ties it  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 8:56 pm : link
6th straight playoff game with a goal - that may be a record.

This may be a high scoring series.
holy shit -  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 8:57 pm : link
5 seconds later Makar gets it back.

might be offsides
Ruled onsides  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 8:59 pm : link
good goal, 3 - 2 Avs
Should we expect any defense this series?  
schabadoo : 5/31/2022 8:59 pm : link
So many odd-man rushes already.
RE: Should we expect any defense this series?  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15722254 schabadoo said:
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So many odd-man rushes already.


not much and neither goalie is anything special.

TBL and NYR must be salivating looking at the finals.
the 2 minute minor penalty  
Mook80 : 5/31/2022 9:02 pm : link
when you lose a challenge is so dumb for the playoffs.

Especially when replay has botched plenty of calls over the years.

You should get 1 challenge and if you lose it you dont get another. Thats punishment enough. A 2 minute minor is asinine
RE: Hyman ties it  
Mook80 : 5/31/2022 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15722250 pjcas18 said:
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6th straight playoff game with a goal - that may be a record.

This may be a high scoring series.


He's still well short of the record. 10 games for Reggie Leach for the flyers in the 70s.

Brayden Point had 9 straight games last year
Might be a bad angle  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:05 pm : link
but this really looks clear - unless the reverse angle shows the puck is actually not touching Makar's stick. If it's not that's horseshoe up your ass lucky that the puck was on edge.

Quote:
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@worldhockeyrpt
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RE: RE: Hyman ties it  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:06 pm : link
In comment 15722259 Mook80 said:
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6th straight playoff game with a goal - that may be a record.

This may be a high scoring series.



He's still well short of the record. 10 games for Reggie Leach for the flyers in the 70s.

Brayden Point had 9 straight games last year


yes, you are correct Mook, it's an Oilers franchise record which is kind of impressive given the legends who have played there.
Kadri on the PP  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:22 pm : link
30 seconds in puts the Avs up 2.

Makar so smooth on the zone entry.
4-2  
Mook80 : 5/31/2022 9:23 pm : link
because of an outrageous rule if you lose a challenge.
I can't keep up with this  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:28 pm : link
scoring. talk about a track meet.

I agree Mook, dumb rule.
I like offense  
Mook80 : 5/31/2022 9:29 pm : link
but this isn't good hockey. No one even pretending to play defense. I dont mind a pace like this for a few minutes, but this has been 25 minutes of non-stop terrible defensive play
Kadri  
Mook80 : 5/31/2022 9:30 pm : link
free path right to the net 10 seconds after a goal.

Someone in the Oilers defensive end needs to have a little bit of pride
this is embarrassing  
Mook80 : 5/31/2022 9:32 pm : link
the Oilers players should all donate their game checks to charity. They aren't even attempting to play defense.
Yeah this is ridiculous  
Greg from LI : 5/31/2022 9:32 pm : link
It's like watching the All-Star game
Smith finally chased  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:32 pm : link
it's 6 - 3 not even halfway through the second
Coach waited  
GNewGiants : 5/31/2022 9:32 pm : link
Way too long to bench Smith. Should have pulled him at the end of the first.
Mike Smith is like 300 years old  
Greg from LI : 5/31/2022 9:33 pm : link
Really hard to believe they couldn't find a better goaltender.
Pulling Smith earlier  
Mook80 : 5/31/2022 9:37 pm : link
would have only helped if the Oilers players in front of the goalie actually realized a game was going on.

Entire team has been traffic cones and they hung smith out to dry. He hasn't been good but this is the worst I've ever seen a team play in front of a goalie 30 minutes into a playoff game in my 25 years of watching the NHL playoffs every night.
I'm giving the goalies a little bit of a pass  
schabadoo : 5/31/2022 9:39 pm : link
They're not great, but so many shots look like power play opportunities. Schneider or Miller would greatly help either of these teams.
I said before the season  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:42 pm : link
it was criminal that both these teams went into the season with their goalie situations.

I am not a huge fan of Kuemper either.

Wasting prime years of McDavid and MacKinnon.

One of them will be in the SCF.

Edmonton in their own end reminds me of the Rangers  
Greg from LI : 5/31/2022 9:52 pm : link
In that game 4 debacle in Pittsburgh. Like a Chinese fire drill
Kuemper  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 9:54 pm : link
out due to injury (they say an UBI). I think he just shit his pants and said f-this. lol.

11 goals and 2 periods not even over.
I just turned this on...  
rnargi : 5/31/2022 10:00 pm : link
Are any netminders playing? WTF?
RE: Kuemper  
Stu11 : 5/31/2022 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15722336 pjcas18 said:
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out due to injury (they say an UBI). I think he just shit his pants and said f-this. lol.

11 goals and 2 periods not even over.

As my son would say: Kuemper out (hurt feelings)
wow  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 10:44 pm : link
a one goal game now with the EDM PP goal.

Drasaitl with a sick pass.

7-6 with 7+ left
COL  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 10:57 pm : link
ices it with the ENG.

like a beer league game, but with better players, lol.
Makar  
pjcas18 : 5/31/2022 11:00 pm : link
and McDavid led the way with 3 points each.

10 players across both teams with multi-point games.
3-year extension  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2022 8:44 am : link
for St. Louis

Quote:
Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
OFFICIAL: Martin St-Louis is the 32nd head coach in Canadiens history

#GoHabsGo
RE: 3-year extension  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/1/2022 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15722486 pjcas18 said:
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for St. Louis



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Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
OFFICIAL: Martin St-Louis is the 32nd head coach in Canadiens history

#GoHabsGo



I think he'll be great. He is a rare case. An undrafted undersized guy who had to work for everything and at the same time a high skilled superstar hall of famer. He will relate to all players.
Not sure if it was just coincidental or not  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2022 3:47 pm : link
but once St. Louis took over Caufield exploded.

And the team results didn't really improve, but the play did - don't forget at the deadline the habs dealt Danault, Toffoli, Chiarot, Lehkoken, and Kulak

so I think it was a good signing.
RE: Not sure if it was just coincidental or not  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/1/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15722887 pjcas18 said:
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but once St. Louis took over Caufield exploded.



That video of MSL demonstrating to Caufield how he faked one timers and Caufield scoring with it next game is awesome
well, he checks the most important box  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2022 4:16 pm : link
He speaks French
RE: well, he checks the most important box  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2022 5:21 pm : link
In comment 15722917 Greg from LI said:
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He speaks French

But Gorton is running the show. And he's an American.

They do have a Quebecois GM though.
What was the story behind MSL's initial hiring?  
BrettNYG10 : 6/1/2022 5:26 pm : link
What was he doing before? I never dug into it.
RE: What was the story behind MSL's initial hiring?  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2022 5:33 pm : link
In comment 15722978 BrettNYG10 said:
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What was he doing before? I never dug into it.


He was working with the Blue Jackets prior to the Habs hiring him as interim HC.

Most people are not surprised by the hiring.

When Gorton was in NY he was rumored to want MSL to be a future head coach - he offered him the Wolf Pack job which MSL turned down to be closer to home (and it was one of the few times that line was authentic - MSL went home and coached his kids peewee team).


Thanks.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/1/2022 5:38 pm : link
I literally knew none of that.
I liked Marty a lot when he was a Ranger  
Greg from LI : 6/1/2022 6:49 pm : link
Seemed like a good dude
My  
pjcas18 : 6/1/2022 7:45 pm : link
gauge for MSL is I never hated him as a player, lol.

which is rare, for a guy with a career like his.

Kuemper  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 12:49 pm : link
out tonight, still injured from game 1. Francouz in.

Won't matter much if Smith or Koskinen play like they did in game 1.
Hoping EDM ties it up tonight.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/2/2022 12:57 pm : link
Rooting for a long series.
RE: Hoping EDM ties it up tonight.  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15723566 BrettNYG10 said:
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Rooting for a long series.

It really doesn't matter IMO, but as you saw from last night rest isn't the advantage some think it is.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/2/2022 1:02 pm : link
pjcas, I'm hoping for a long series because I have an obligation the 25th that would lead me to miss any game played that night. I've mapped it out and it looks like it would be game 5, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a Cup clinching game.

Alternatively, two sweeps might work out well, too.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15723574 BrettNYG10 said:
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pjcas, I'm hoping for a long series because I have an obligation the 25th that would lead me to miss any game played that night. I've mapped it out and it looks like it would be game 5, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a Cup clinching game.

Alternatively, two sweeps might work out well, too.


I see, in that case I too hope for that, lol.

I know people are very down on the COL EDM series, but in between the shitty D and poor goaltending, I think there needs to be some acknowledgement that elite offense pressures both the D and goalies. Of course not to the extent we say on Tuesday, but still..when you have McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc. and MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog, etc. all on the ice that's a lot of skill.
RE: RE: .....  
Stu11 : 6/2/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15723582 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15723574 BrettNYG10 said:


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pjcas, I'm hoping for a long series because I have an obligation the 25th that would lead me to miss any game played that night. I've mapped it out and it looks like it would be game 5, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a Cup clinching game.

Alternatively, two sweeps might work out well, too.



I see, in that case I too hope for that, lol.

I know people are very down on the COL EDM series, but in between the shitty D and poor goaltending, I think there needs to be some acknowledgement that elite offense pressures both the D and goalies. Of course not to the extent we say on Tuesday, but still..when you have McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc. and MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog, etc. all on the ice that's a lot of skill.

PJ I'm trying to remember a series where there was this much talent on the ice between both team's skaters. Maybe the Islander-Oilers series in 83/84?
RE: RE: RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15723583 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15723574 BrettNYG10 said:


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pjcas, I'm hoping for a long series because I have an obligation the 25th that would lead me to miss any game played that night. I've mapped it out and it looks like it would be game 5, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a Cup clinching game.

Alternatively, two sweeps might work out well, too.



I see, in that case I too hope for that, lol.

I know people are very down on the COL EDM series, but in between the shitty D and poor goaltending, I think there needs to be some acknowledgement that elite offense pressures both the D and goalies. Of course not to the extent we say on Tuesday, but still..when you have McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc. and MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog, etc. all on the ice that's a lot of skill.


PJ I'm trying to remember a series where there was this much talent on the ice between both team's skaters. Maybe the Islander-Oilers series in 83/84?


Good question, if you keep it as you said to a series and rule out Olympics and things like World Cup of hockey in 1996, maybe you're right.

teams who come to mind are the Blackhawks with peak Kane, Toews, Hossa, a young Teraivanen, Sharp, Duncan Keith, etc vs Tampa with Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, and even then it's a pretty wide gap between EDM and COL IMO.
RE: RE: RE: .....  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/2/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15723583 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15723574 BrettNYG10 said:


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pjcas, I'm hoping for a long series because I have an obligation the 25th that would lead me to miss any game played that night. I've mapped it out and it looks like it would be game 5, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a Cup clinching game.

Alternatively, two sweeps might work out well, too.



I see, in that case I too hope for that, lol.

I know people are very down on the COL EDM series, but in between the shitty D and poor goaltending, I think there needs to be some acknowledgement that elite offense pressures both the D and goalies. Of course not to the extent we say on Tuesday, but still..when you have McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc. and MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog, etc. all on the ice that's a lot of skill.


PJ I'm trying to remember a series where there was this much talent on the ice between both team's skaters. Maybe the Islander-Oilers series in 83/84?


A lot of recency bias imo

Early aughts Detroit had 10+ hall of famers, so I'd say Colorado Detroit of that Era.

Penguins Blackhawks in the early 90s was loaded too

Then there are other squads with guys who didn't have longevity for the hall, but were loaded with all stars at the time like Ottawa, Vancouver, Stars, sharks etc
Good call DYB  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 1:45 pm : link
those Red Wings teams were loaded.

Same with the other Avs and even the Pens with Lemieux and Jagr.

I think though just seeing McDavid and MacKinnon on the ice at the same time (or at least in the same game) is what a Gretzky Oilers vs Lemieux Penguins SCF would have looked like

RE: RE: .....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/2/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15723582 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15723574 BrettNYG10 said:


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pjcas, I'm hoping for a long series because I have an obligation the 25th that would lead me to miss any game played that night. I've mapped it out and it looks like it would be game 5, which PROBABLY wouldn't be a Cup clinching game.

Alternatively, two sweeps might work out well, too.



I see, in that case I too hope for that, lol.

I know people are very down on the COL EDM series, but in between the shitty D and poor goaltending, I think there needs to be some acknowledgement that elite offense pressures both the D and goalies. Of course not to the extent we say on Tuesday, but still..when you have McDavid, Draisaitl, Kane, etc. and MacKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog, etc. all on the ice that's a lot of skill.


I have no friends for a reason and then this happens! I don't deserve it. They might lean towards a Friday game over Saturday, not sure. But it's been on my mind since we beat Pittsburgh, lol.

I agree with you on EDM/COL. I think it's still going to be a good series.
Yeah those Wings- Avs series were loaded  
Stu11 : 6/2/2022 2:07 pm : link
and I agree probably the SCF where the Pens beat the Wings was the most recent series that matches this talent. Man looking back at those Islander-Oiler series you had Bossy, Trottier, Potvin, Gillies vs. Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey
and then on top of it you had 2 HOF goalies facing each other. Just insane.
You guys see the teaser doc for the 30/30 on the Wings/Avs?  
BrettNYG10 : 6/2/2022 2:14 pm : link
.
The Score - ( New Window )
I hadn't seen that Brett - thanks  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 2:36 pm : link
those teams truly hated each other. it's rare in sports to get that level of dislike. I like it.

Woodcroft confirms Mike Smith to start tonight.
That looks terrific  
Greg from LI : 6/2/2022 2:53 pm : link
Those '90s Red Wings-Avalanche games were must see TV. I remember being really excited to see them whenever they played. I can't say that about any other regular season games, in any sport, that didn't involve one of my teams.
I guess it's an E60 doc, not a 30 for 30, lol.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/2/2022 2:55 pm : link
I'm looking forward to it.
Wow they even got Vladdy  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/2/2022 3:26 pm : link
That was so sad. On of my favorite non isles to watch. That guy was an artist at hitting people.
Avs score three in two minutes  
Greg from LI : 6/2/2022 9:31 pm : link
.
and the onslaught  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 9:52 pm : link
was just as they got done saying how great Smith was and how having a short memory was helpful to his success.

Kadri assisted on all three, and only 1 player in NHL history has 4 playoff assists in one period (Draisaitl - last week). let's see if Kadri ties him.
I don't think COL  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2022 10:53 pm : link
can go back to Kuemper after a Francouz shutout, EDM was pretty passive most of the game (I think they actually had no scoring chances in the 3rd), but a shutout is a shutout
If that Bruins core  
pjcas18 : 6/3/2022 9:08 pm : link
wins just the one cup I will breathe a sigh of relief, but I will say over the years I have come to appreciate Bergeron.

Conor Ryan
@ConorRyan_93
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4h
At this point, the Bruins are expected to not have Brad Marchand, Charlie McAvoy and Matt Grzelcyk for the start of the regular season — and they might not be back for a few months.

Also, still no clarity yet on Bergeron's future.
Kadri’s a piece of shit, but that was a dangerous play by Kane  
Anakim : 6/4/2022 8:22 pm : link
Suspension incoming?
I am trying to make sense of the Darnell Nurse  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/4/2022 8:47 pm : link
contract? $9.5M cap hit this year. For what???
RE: Kadri’s a piece of shit, but that was a dangerous play by Kane  
FrankHuntington : 6/4/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15725185 Anakim said:
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Suspension incoming?


I was a little surprised by how violently Kadti went into the boards and at first thought he was milking it, but you just cant cross check along the board and get away with it.
RE: I am trying to make sense of the Darnell Nurse  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2022 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15725192 Rob in Rockaway said:
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contract? $9.5M cap hit this year. For what???


not *just* this year, but 7 more years at that level.

they really want to make him into a star but he's just not. Kind of like what the league did to Subban, only Subban was a much better offensive player.
RE: RE: I am trying to make sense of the Darnell Nurse  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/4/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15725195 pjcas18 said:
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contract? $9.5M cap hit this year. For what???



not *just* this year, but 7 more years at that level.

they really want to make him into a star but he's just not. Kind of like what the league did to Subban, only Subban was a much better offensive player.


Wow
RE: Kadri’s a piece of shit, but that was a dangerous play by Kane  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2022 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15725185 Anakim said:
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Suspension incoming?


Yes, I think Kane gets at least a game.

1 playoff game = 5 regular season games (I think)
From what I have seen of Josh Manson so far  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/4/2022 9:20 pm : link
I am glad the Rangers stayed out of the sweepstakes for him.
RE: From what I have seen of Josh Manson so far  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2022 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15725205 Rob in Rockaway said:
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I am glad the Rangers stayed out of the sweepstakes for him.


Rock solid, but it's rock solid with one dimension. He is the prototypical stay at home defenseman.

He's good for bottom pair.

the 2nd round pick he cost is nothing, but I'd rather have just played Helleson.

Losing Girard hurt COL a lot - everyone is playing up a pair.

Mike Smith  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2022 9:28 pm : link
isn't why EDM will lose, well not the only reason, but he's not a good goalie but the plan for Smith to be your goalie coming in to the season is why McDavid should demand a trade.

his prime is being wasted. And Draisaitl (who just left the bench) too.
RE: Mike Smith  
FrankHuntington : 6/4/2022 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15725207 pjcas18 said:
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isn't why EDM will lose, well not the only reason, but he's not a good goalie but the plan for Smith to be your goalie coming in to the season is why McDavid should demand a trade.

his prime is being wasted. And Draisaitl (who just left the bench) too.


I mean, yea....hes 40. Lol. Were there better options at the beginning of the season pj? Legit question. I really didnt have my finger on the pulse of the goalie market.

Maybe Georgiev will find a home there during the offseason. I had always found Smith underwhelming anyway. He had a pretty good run in Zona, but was never a goalie that wowed me with athleticism.
I think there were better options  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2022 9:47 pm : link
I think many teams backups were better options than Smith.

I had to dig this up because I remembered it (I even included it in my pre-season thread) from a EDM writer

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...There were a large number of goaltenders available via trade or free agency during the offseason, but the Oilers decided to run it back with Smith and Koskinen, re-signing the former to a two-year deal....
RE: RE: From what I have seen of Josh Manson so far  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/4/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15725206 pjcas18 said:
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I am glad the Rangers stayed out of the sweepstakes for him.



Rock solid, but it's rock solid with one dimension. He is the prototypical stay at home defenseman.

He's good for bottom pair.

the 2nd round pick he cost is nothing, but I'd rather have just played Helleson.

Losing Girard hurt COL a lot - everyone is playing up a pair.


Makes sense PJ. I thought he fetched a lot more.
RE: RE: RE: From what I have seen of Josh Manson so far  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2022 10:53 pm : link
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I am glad the Rangers stayed out of the sweepstakes for him.



Rock solid, but it's rock solid with one dimension. He is the prototypical stay at home defenseman.

He's good for bottom pair.

the 2nd round pick he cost is nothing, but I'd rather have just played Helleson.

Losing Girard hurt COL a lot - everyone is playing up a pair.




Makes sense PJ. I thought he fetched a lot more.


He got a 2nd and Drew Helleson (who was drafted with a 2nd).

I think it was Manson or Braun for the Rangers.

Manson is a little better and younger so the price was higher. Both FA's after the season.
That was a great play  
pjcas18 : 6/4/2022 11:07 pm : link
by Compher, but man Bouchard needs to be tougher than that.

I hadn't seen a lot of him and expected him to be in the Makar, Fox, Seider, Dahlin, Heiskanen, level and I wondered why he wasn't yet. He's well behind them all (and more)
Colorado is on a rampage right now.  
FrankHuntington : 6/4/2022 11:46 pm : link
Yea, St. louis bloodied them a bit, but I just have trouble imagining how the Rangers, should they make it to the SCF, can match up with their speed. I mean, I know the Rangers have good skaters and their own strengths, but watching Colorado, they are torrential on their attack.
the Avs  
pjcas18 : 6/5/2022 10:20 am : link
weakness, like it has been for a few years, is in net and on the blue line. Now they're down a top 4 D making it even worse and their top goalie.

Their top 12 forwards are a little better than NYR (not much). If Kadri can't come back I'd even say it's at worst a wash.

But their D and goalie more than make up for that gap.

Rangers style fits perfectly with COL. I don't think either team in the West can beat the NYR (or even TBL).
I think Kane  
pjcas18 : 6/5/2022 11:54 am : link
gets a game. I doubt more, but I think he gets 1.

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Bergeron wins the Selke  
pjcas18 : 6/5/2022 4:48 pm : link
for the record, 5th time.

in other news, Kadri out the rest of the series, likely rest of the playoffs. Things are lining up really well for the Rangers.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/5/2022 6:37 pm : link
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Some rumblings  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 9:31 am : link
that either of two things are happening.

1. MTL is becoming less definite they take Shane Wright #1, but they would be looking to trade down.

2. MTL may be looking to trade up in the 1st - they have two 1sts the other is FLA's pick.

3. ARI has 7 picks in the first two rounds (3 1st's including #3 and 4 2nd's). So MTL and ARI could represent a trade down option if ARI loves Wright.

I think MTL like Nemec, Slafkovsky, or Cooley as much or almost as much as Wright. I doubt Savoie, even though he's silky smooth, they have enough smaller players.

COL  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 9:34 am : link
looks to close out EDM tonight.

No Kane tonight (suspension), but that basically neutralizes the Kadri loss (who as mentioned previously is likely done for the playoffs - much to the benefit of the NYR or TBL)
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/6/2022 9:41 am : link
Hoping EDM wins tonight. Think the Rangers' series will still go 6 or 7. Don't want COL sweeping.
RE: Some rumblings  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2022 9:50 am : link
In comment 15726011 pjcas18 said:
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that either of two things are happening.

1. MTL is becoming less definite they take Shane Wright #1, but they would be looking to trade down.

2. MTL may be looking to trade up in the 1st - they have two 1sts the other is FLA's pick.

3. ARI has 7 picks in the first two rounds (3 1st's including #3 and 4 2nd's). So MTL and ARI could represent a trade down option if ARI loves Wright.

I think MTL like Nemec, Slafkovsky, or Cooley as much or almost as much as Wright. I doubt Savoie, even though he's silky smooth, they have enough smaller players.

As of now I think the top two picks will be Wright and Slafkovsky. That would leave Montreal with Cooley and Nemec at 4. Cooley is a bit undersized as well but he doesn't play like it.
RE: RE: Some rumblings  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15726029 Jay on the Island said:
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that either of two things are happening.

1. MTL is becoming less definite they take Shane Wright #1, but they would be looking to trade down.

2. MTL may be looking to trade up in the 1st - they have two 1sts the other is FLA's pick.

3. ARI has 7 picks in the first two rounds (3 1st's including #3 and 4 2nd's). So MTL and ARI could represent a trade down option if ARI loves Wright.

I think MTL like Nemec, Slafkovsky, or Cooley as much or almost as much as Wright. I doubt Savoie, even though he's silky smooth, they have enough smaller players.



As of now I think the top two picks will be Wright and Slafkovsky. That would leave Montreal with Cooley and Nemec at 4. Cooley is a bit undersized as well but he doesn't play like it.


Agree, but I'd take an undersized C (Cooley) over an undersized wing (Savoie) based on my team needs.

And I view Savoie as an NHL wing, as opposed to C.

If you think Savoie can handle the defensive role of a C at the NHL level, then his shot and o-zone creativity might make him your top rated prospect. I don't think most people believe he's a C though.

Lekkerimäki is starting to grow on me. I'd like for MTL to somehow get him and another top 10 player.
What happened to the Shane Wright train?  
BrettNYG10 : 6/6/2022 10:12 am : link
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RE: What happened to the Shane Wright train?  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15726046 BrettNYG10 said:
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Probably COVID and it's probably unfair to him, but he never quite lived up to the hype he's been getting since he was 14 years old.

He's still the top prospect in the draft, but probably falls a full tier below McDavid and even Matthews a slight notch above Hischier.

Probably a similar prospect to Lafreniere.
RE: RE: RE: Some rumblings  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2022 11:02 am : link
In comment 15726040 pjcas18 said:
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Agree, but I'd take an undersized C (Cooley) over an undersized wing (Savoie) based on my team needs.

And I view Savoie as an NHL wing, as opposed to C.

If you think Savoie can handle the defensive role of a C at the NHL level, then his shot and o-zone creativity might make him your top rated prospect. I don't think most people believe he's a C though.

Lekkerimäki is starting to grow on me. I'd like for MTL to somehow get him and another top 10 player.

I wouldn't take Savoie in the top 5 as I agree that I don't see him playing center in the NHL. Still he is such a good talent that I think some team is going to get a very good prospect in the 6-10 range. My personal top 4 are Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley, and Nemec. As a Devils fan I would be happy with Slafkovsky or Cooley at 2. If Slafkovsky can really play center in the NHL, I am not sure, then he is the clear cut #2 pick IMO.
I view Savoie  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:10 am : link
like a taller Caufield.

RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15726021 BrettNYG10 said:
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Hoping EDM wins tonight. Think the Rangers' series will still go 6 or 7. Don't want COL sweeping.


Why don't you want COL to sweep? It seemed to work well for the NYR when TBL swept in the 2nd round. The whole TBL roster looked rusty.
RE: RE: .....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/6/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15726205 pjcas18 said:
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Hoping EDM wins tonight. Think the Rangers' series will still go 6 or 7. Don't want COL sweeping.



Why don't you want COL to sweep? It seemed to work well for the NYR when TBL swept in the 2nd round. The whole TBL roster looked rusty.


I feel like a dick saying this, but additional games increases the likelihood of wear and tear on the Avs.

Also I want more Conference Final hockey.
Kravtsov returning to the NHL next season.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/6/2022 4:38 pm : link
Turned down an offer from Traktor.
Blueseat Blogs - ( New Window )
RE: Kravtsov returning to the NHL next season.  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15726374 BrettNYG10 said:
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Turned down an offer from Traktor. Blueseat Blogs - ( New Window )


Kravtsov is an RFA, I'd see what the Rangers offer, if they low ball him, then he's an offer sheet candidate without much compensation.

They need to offer at least $1.3M to get any compensation (2021 numbers which shouldn't really change with a flat cap).
1.3M - 2 gets a 3rd round pick if they don't match the offer sheet
2M - 4M gets a 2nd if they don't match
4M - 6M gets a 1st and 3rd if they don't match

Hard to see them going more than $4M for a player with his history and their cap situation.

So, if you're an NHL team do you risk the bad blood and a 3rd round or 2nd round pick by making an offer?

....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/6/2022 5:50 pm : link
Definitely, this offer sheet stuff is dumb as hell. Improve your team anyway you can.
Shocking  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 7:13 pm : link


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The Bruins have fired Bruce Cassidy as head coach.
RE: Shocking  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2022 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15726472 pjcas18 said:
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TSN
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The Bruins have fired Bruce Cassidy as head coach.

Another HC that the Devils should hire.
Absolutely  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 8:04 pm : link
Cassidy immediately jumps to the top of my list of coaching candidates.

Not sure how Sweeney (and Neely for that matter) survive and get away with making Cassidy the fall guy for beyond shitty drafting and even worse roster management/FA decisions.

I think Cassidy is a really good coach.
pjcas18.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/6/2022 8:10 pm : link
Will Aves be favored versus whoever comes out of the East?
Whichever teams are the frontrunner for Trotz  
Snablats : 6/6/2022 8:12 pm : link
just got some leverage. Cassidy is a good coach
And thankfully the Islanders  
Snablats : 6/6/2022 8:13 pm : link
already hired a coach
RE: pjcas18.  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15726509 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Will Aves be favored versus whoever comes out of the East?

Probably no matter who wins from the East COL has the best player, but whoever wins the East has the best goalie and the best PP, so if I'm doing the betting I go with the best goalie and PP at this point.
PP goal  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 8:31 pm : link
from Makar gives COL the 1 - 0 lead.

Lehkonen on PP1 for COL. He's such a good player, who contributes in so many ways it's good to see him get some acknowledgement of his skills. He set up the Makar goal with a strong forecheck to prevent a clear from EDM.

He's also playing LW2.

On MTL he was a bottom 6 player and he played PK, but never got even a look on a dismal PP unit.
McDavid  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 9:48 pm : link
scores from below the face off dot at a bad angle, to put EDM up 3 - 1.

none of these goalies in the West can survive a SCF IMO.
What a meltdown in EDM  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 10:36 pm : link
EDM up 4 - 2 gives up two goals in a few min.


tied up 4 - 4
Now it's  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 10:40 pm : link
5 - 4 COL with the Rantanen PP goal
EDM  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 10:43 pm : link
ties up the track meet. 5 - 5
This game is nuts. 5-5  
Mad Mike : 6/6/2022 10:44 pm : link
*
holy crap  
JayBinQueens : 6/6/2022 10:44 pm : link
.
And of course  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 10:50 pm : link
OT, lol, awesome.
RE: EDM  
Percy : 6/6/2022 10:58 pm : link
In comment 15726606 pjcas18 said:
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ties up the track meet. 5 - 5

Pretty sensational, violent game. Thought Oilers were done after 5th Avs goal, third unanswered in a row, but no! Avs put one in with less than about four minutes to go to tie it at 5. Incredible finish before the Overtime.
So far  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 10:58 pm : link
a 4-point night for Draisaitl (all assists), 3 point night for McDavid, 3 points for Landeskog, 2 points for MacKinnon, 4 points for Makar

it seemed like each teams top line was out there for 4 of the final 5 minutes.
Lehkonen  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:08 pm : link
with the GW
Maybe  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:09 pm : link
looking at it for a high stick
That was quick.  
Mad Mike : 6/6/2022 11:09 pm : link
Great play by Lekhonen, if it wasn't high. Looks pretty close.
this is close  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:09 pm : link
I think it's a good goal
that's  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:10 pm : link
it COL now gets rusty waiting on the East.
RE: this is close  
Percy : 6/6/2022 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15726622 pjcas18 said:
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I think it's a good goal

The refs agree. Right call under the circumstances -- stick at shoulder height but not over.
Looks like Cogliano  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:13 pm : link
broke his hand.

If it is, the Avs already down two top 9 forwards without Kadri and Cogliano.
Looks like  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:17 pm : link
two Av's touched the Campbell Bowl.

that's bad luck.
RE: Looks like  
Percy : 6/6/2022 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15726628 pjcas18 said:
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two Av's touched the Campbell Bowl.

that's bad luck.

News to the ignorant, like me.
RE: RE: Looks like  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15726629 Percy said:
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two Av's touched the Campbell Bowl.

that's bad luck.


News to the ignorant, like me.


I was just kidding.

It is a real superstition. But, some teams are not superstitious. Gretzky said his teams used to skate it around the rink some teams do some teams don't.

Crosby didn't touch it when PIT won in 2008 (his first conference final), and they lost to DET, so since then he's touched it, sometimes even lifting it up or skating around with it.

If the Rangers win  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:29 pm : link
the ECF, who do you think they will send out to "accept" the Wales Trophy since they don't have a captain? All 8 alternate captains?
RE: RE: RE: Looks like  
Percy : 6/6/2022 11:30 pm : link
In comment 15726633 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15726629 Percy said:


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In comment 15726628 pjcas18 said:


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two Av's touched the Campbell Bowl.

that's bad luck.


News to the ignorant, like me.



I was just kidding.

It is a real superstition. But, some teams are not superstitious. Gretzky said his teams used to skate it around the rink some teams do some teams don't.

Crosby didn't touch it when PIT won in 2008 (his first conference final), and they lost to DET, so since then he's touched it, sometimes even lifting it up or skating around with it.

Still, it's way better to have to worry about that honorable superstition than a broken hand.
RE: If the Rangers win  
Route 9 : 6/6/2022 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15726634 pjcas18 said:
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the ECF, who do you think they will send out to "accept" the Wales Trophy since they don't have a captain? All 8 alternate captains?


Mark Messier
......  
Route 9 : 6/6/2022 11:45 pm : link
Wasn't it Scott Stevens who used to grab that thing like he didn't give a fuck?
RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:48 pm : link
In comment 15726638 Route 9 said:
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Wasn't it Scott Stevens who used to grab that thing like he didn't give a fuck?


Probably
I don't like to blame  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2022 11:49 pm : link
goalies (or anyone) hockey is a team game, and teams win and teams lose, but hard to win when you're giving up 6 per game so often.

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The Oilers are the first team in NHL history to have 3 games in a single postseason where they scored 5+ goals but still lost.
RE: Absolutely  
Anakim : 6/7/2022 1:06 am : link
In comment 15726505 pjcas18 said:
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Cassidy immediately jumps to the top of my list of coaching candidates.

Not sure how Sweeney (and Neely for that matter) survive and get away with making Cassidy the fall guy for beyond shitty drafting and even worse roster management/FA decisions.

I think Cassidy is a really good coach.


Insane. Cassidy made the playoffs every full season he was head coach.

Maybe the Bruins go with a native Bostonian like Quinn or Torts? I don't know why the Bruins did this. Cassidy will definitely get another HC job this season. I just hope Philly doesn't wind up with either Cassidy or Trotz. Keep those two out of the division.
I can't believe how many great coaches are out there  
Stu11 : 6/7/2022 9:07 am : link
Trotz, Cassidy etc...and the Devils are gonna stick with Lindy fucking Ruff.
RE: I don't like to blame  
BrettNYG10 : 6/7/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15726641 pjcas18 said:
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goalies (or anyone) hockey is a team game, and teams win and teams lose, but hard to win when you're giving up 6 per game so often.

Stats By STATS
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The Oilers are the first team in NHL history to have 3 games in a single postseason where they scored 5+ goals but still lost.


Mike Smith sucks.
Watching McDavid  
pjcas18 : 6/7/2022 10:54 am : link
was fun though and I admit if it's possible my appreciation for him has grown.

he just has a gear no one else has and he's still able to manipulate the puck while skating in that extra gear.

I think even his teammates (even Draisaitl) struggle to keep up with him. I saw him pass the puck many times this series and his teammates basically just flubbed it or just couldn't catch the puck and continue moving at that pace (IOW the game was too fast for them at McDavid's pace).

I doubt he's traded but if he is there is no price I'd say wow that's too high, but as shown it's hard to build a team around him (or it has been for EDM).

I guess paying Nurse that 8x$9.5M contract was a bad idea.
RE: RE: I don't like to blame  
Anakim : 6/7/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15726829 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15726641 pjcas18 said:


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goalies (or anyone) hockey is a team game, and teams win and teams lose, but hard to win when you're giving up 6 per game so often.

Stats By STATS
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The Oilers are the first team in NHL history to have 3 games in a single postseason where they scored 5+ goals but still lost.



Mike Smith sucks.


They should totally trade for Georgiev
RE: Watching McDavid  
BrettNYG10 : 6/7/2022 11:01 am : link
In comment 15726832 pjcas18 said:
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was fun though and I admit if it's possible my appreciation for him has grown.

he just has a gear no one else has and he's still able to manipulate the puck while skating in that extra gear.

I think even his teammates (even Draisaitl) struggle to keep up with him. I saw him pass the puck many times this series and his teammates basically just flubbed it or just couldn't catch the puck and continue moving at that pace (IOW the game was too fast for them at McDavid's pace).

I doubt he's traded but if he is there is no price I'd say wow that's too high, but as shown it's hard to build a team around him (or it has been for EDM).

I guess paying Nurse that 8x$9.5M contract was a bad idea.


McDavid should be MVP every year the Oilers make the playoffs. That team wouldn't be the worst in the league, but it would be bottom ten without him IMO.
I was less impressed with MacKinnon  
pjcas18 : 6/7/2022 11:07 am : link
not that he played badly, but on the ice with McDavid you notice McDavid every shift he's just faster than everyone. MacKinnon sort of disappears for stretches.

He can because he's got Landeskog, Rantanen, Kadri (though not anymore this year), and a decent crop of role players.

I was more impressed with Makar who like I thought is every bit as good as advertised. He's the closest thing to McDavid I've seen but on D. Dahlin was supposed to be that and I've seen flashes and who knows how much Dahlin's growth has stunted by playing in BUF, but man Makar is similar in that almost every time he gets the puck you notice him, no wasted touches, everything with a purpose and such a ridiculously good skater. Even without the puck often times I found my eyes would wind up on Makar because you caught his movement away from the play and then thought, "wow what a smart play to get in that spot without the puck"

.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/7/2022 11:09 am : link
I agree on both points. I think peak Makar is the best dman in the league today.
I watch very little WC hockey  
bigbluehoya : 6/7/2022 11:11 am : link
so I could easily be convinced that I'm off-base here, but Nurse looks like one of the most over-paid players I've ever seen.
RE: I watch very little WC hockey  
pjcas18 : 6/7/2022 11:15 am : link
In comment 15726853 bigbluehoya said:
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so I could easily be convinced that I'm off-base here, but Nurse looks like one of the most over-paid players I've ever seen.


Apparently he played with a torn hip labrum. I reached the same conclusion as you, but maybe without the injury he would have been more active defensively.

Still overpaid I think, but who knows how he plays without the injury. i don't see a ton of western conference either - unless they are traveling east.
depends on the price  
pjcas18 : 6/7/2022 11:42 am : link
but possibly interested...

NHL Trade Alert
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reporting that Boston will explore trading David Pastrnak this summer. #NHL #NHLBruins
RE: depends on the price  
BillKo : 6/7/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15726890 pjcas18 said:
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but possibly interested...

NHL Trade Alert
@NHLTradeAlert
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.@FlutoShinzawa
reporting that Boston will explore trading David Pastrnak this summer. #NHL #NHLBruins


Weird, I just read where they were thinking extension. Would be unwise to trade him IMO.

The Cassidy firing is really puzzling, and I'm a Bruins fan.

Cassidy was aggressive in making lineup changes when players failed to execute and the team's metrics as a whole were very good this year.

This seems to me Neely and Sweeney casting the blame elsewhere........
RE: Watching McDavid  
Greg from LI : 6/7/2022 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15726832 pjcas18 said:
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he just has a gear no one else has and he's still able to manipulate the puck while skating in that extra gear.


That's what has always amazed me about McDavid. He's so unbelievably fast and he can do everything with the puck at top speed. Closest I can think of to that was Bure but Bure couldn't handle the puck like him.
RE: depends on the price  
Stu11 : 6/7/2022 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15726890 pjcas18 said:
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but possibly interested...

NHL Trade Alert
@NHLTradeAlert
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1h
.@FlutoShinzawa
reporting that Boston will explore trading David Pastrnak this summer. #NHL #NHLBruins

Hmmm if this is legit I wonder if the Devil's explore dealing #2 for him. A top line of Hughes, Pasta and Sharengovich or Bratt could be be pretty damn filthy.
RE: I can't believe how many great coaches are out there  
Jay on the Island : 6/7/2022 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15726722 Stu11 said:
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Trotz, Cassidy etc...and the Devils are gonna stick with Lindy fucking Ruff.

It is infuriating.
RE: RE: Watching McDavid  
pjcas18 : 6/7/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15727001 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15726832 pjcas18 said:


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he just has a gear no one else has and he's still able to manipulate the puck while skating in that extra gear.



That's what has always amazed me about McDavid. He's so unbelievably fast and he can do everything with the puck at top speed. Closest I can think of to that was Bure but Bure couldn't handle the puck like him.


Watching the game with the sound off, Bure came to mind - like you said though more straight line speed not as fluid as McDavid. It's like watching Usain Bolt run, he's just more physically gifted than everyone else.
this is pretty  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2022 11:25 am : link
good,

He's okay.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/8/2022 11:37 am : link
.
It was great getting  
JayBinQueens : 6/8/2022 11:41 am : link
to watch him for a few games. I rarely catch the west coast start times
RE: It was great getting  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15727814 JayBinQueens said:
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to watch him for a few games. I rarely catch the west coast start times


at my beer league game last night it was all anyone talked about. Most people have only seen him during all-star games or the random trip east to play the Bruins or maybe when the B's go out west to play EDM. So it was less intensity and random.

My team are all mostly lifelong hockey players and most are also coaches and no one had seen anyone that much more physically gifted than everyone else on the ice. Rumors that this was what Bobby Orr looked like but none of us are old enough to have seen Orr other than video clips.

Can't wait for him to be traded to the Rangers so we can see more  
BrettNYG10 : 6/8/2022 4:35 pm : link
Of him.
Panarin, Kravtsov, Georgiev, and a #1 for McDavid  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2022 4:37 pm : link
Sounds fair to me
It's obviously a longshot  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2022 4:57 pm : link
but I do think it's possible McDavid can be traded.

He'd need to demand it though to lessen the PR hit the team takes.

I think Holland should probably be fired and maybe that buys them a year or two but I think McDavid will have to force his way out. You can't simply trade McDavid without that PR angle to take some of the hit off the team.

....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/8/2022 5:01 pm : link
I think a WCF run buys another year or two.

I think he would have asked if they got bounced against the Kings.
RE: Panarin, Kravtsov, Georgiev, and a #1 for McDavid  
Jay on the Island : 6/9/2022 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15728132 Greg from LI said:
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Sounds fair to me

For a second I thought you were serious.
I'm dead serious  
Greg from LI : 6/9/2022 11:02 pm : link
It sounds very fair to me as a Rangers fan 🤣
Gaudreau  
Stu11 : 6/10/2022 12:29 pm : link
Hailey Salvian from the Athletic who does the Flames beat did an interesting article on potential Johnny Guadreau suiters. She listed the Devils as the one that makes the most sense. Mainly because he comes from South Jersey, and is rumored to want to play East. Her reasoning is that of the teams that make sense the Devs have the most cap room. I've felt all along the Flyers are the most likely landing spot. He grew up a fan and Kevin Hayes is his buddy from BC. Thing is they have only 5 mill in cap space and Owen Tippet is an RFA so they'll have to dump a guy like van Riemsdyk and probably more to make that happen. Calgary has tons of cap space but half the roster unsigned including Tkachuk as an RFA who's gonna cost a pretty penny. I'm not even sure it makes sense for the Devils. If they give him 10-11 mill AAV thats a ton of money tied up in him, Jack Hughes, Dougie Hamilton and Bratt who as an RFA will get 7-8 mill this summer. They have the room to do it right now, but they are not a contender and within a few years the cap room can get tight. The though of a Johnny Hockey-Hughes combo does wet the appetite though. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Seattle is also rumored to be a big player in the UFA market this summer with their mountains of cap room. If I were in charge in Calgary I'd pay him. Make your bed with him, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm and you have Tafoli, Backlund and Blake Coleman as great role players. If they find an upgrade in net they can contend.
And to think the off-season  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2022 1:30 pm : link
bidding war in 2020 for Markstrom was between CAL and EDM.

I never thought he was great in Vancouver.

It's weird how some teams can be so bad at getting a goalie and it's the one position that can sink your team and undo talent elsewhere.

It's why I'm not so sure COL wins a cup, it's why EDM hasn't won. It has undone teams for decades.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/10/2022 1:44 pm : link
Imagine not being able to find a goalie, lol.

Imagine not being able to win a Cup with an elite goalie. Less lol. :(
What would the Rangers have to do  
Snablats : 6/10/2022 1:45 pm : link
capwise to get Johnny hockey?
RE: And to think the off-season  
Stu11 : 6/10/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15729481 pjcas18 said:
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bidding war in 2020 for Markstrom was between CAL and EDM.

I never thought he was great in Vancouver.

It's weird how some teams can be so bad at getting a goalie and it's the one position that can sink your team and undo talent elsewhere.

It's why I'm not so sure COL wins a cup, it's why EDM hasn't won. It has undone teams for decades.

Talk to the Flyers. Between like '95 and 2015 they could have won 3 or 4 cups if they had a top tier goaltender.
Salary dump  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2022 4:37 pm : link
with a flat cap this may be a wild off-season  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2022 4:39 pm : link

World Hockey Report
@worldhockeyrpt
·
1h
Wow, @FriedgeHNIC
saying the Blackhawks are taking calls on Kirby Dach this summer… that’s an interesting target for some teams. 👀
RE: with a flat cap this may be a wild off-season  
Anakim : 6/10/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15729604 pjcas18 said:
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World Hockey Report
@worldhockeyrpt
·
1h
Wow, @FriedgeHNIC
saying the Blackhawks are taking calls on Kirby Dach this summer… that’s an interesting target for some teams. 👀


Rangers could use a 2C...Could Kravtsov and Lundkvist get it done?
RE: RE: with a flat cap this may be a wild off-season  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2022 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15729606 Anakim said:
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In comment 15729604 pjcas18 said:


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World Hockey Report
@worldhockeyrpt
·
1h
Wow, @FriedgeHNIC
saying the Blackhawks are taking calls on Kirby Dach this summer… that’s an interesting target for some teams. 👀



Rangers could use a 2C...Could Kravtsov and Lundkvist get it done?


I love Dach, but the way the Rangers fans complain about production from Kakko and Lafreniere I cannot in good conscience expose him to that. lol.

Seriously it may get it done if you throw in a pick, but I have no idea why they're shopping him.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/10/2022 5:15 pm : link
Dach is a perfect Rangers center given his inability to win faceoffs, lol.
They need a veteran 2C, not another young player  
Snablats : 6/10/2022 5:21 pm : link
and yes, one that can win faceoffs
According to the fourthperiod.com it seems like the Hawks  
Stu11 : 6/10/2022 10:03 pm : link
May be serious about listening to offer for DeBrincat. Seems crazy to me but Dave Pagnotta is reporting it and I think he's pretty reputable. He says the Devils, Islanders, Flyers and Kings have checked in. With no first rounder this year the Hawks definitely are gonna want a 1st back in the deal. If they're serious, probably nobody can match the Devils package of #2 and a prospect like Holtz. While the Devs seem to be loaded with smallish skill guys, DeBrincat is way worth it if he's actually available. The Flyers would make a lot of sense too with #5 overall
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Maybe DeBrincat  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2022 9:40 am : link
to Boston? A Pasta for DeBrincat trade?

He really picked up his defensive game last year, which makes sense in the career progression for a smaller player.

Need to get your man strength.
McDavid, Makar (forgot about this thread)  
ColHowPepper : 6/11/2022 11:34 am : link
(It's here where I ought to have made comments about that last, insanely entertaining 3rd period.)

Agree comments above. McDavid does stand out and when the neutral ice stars align, he just weaves in and out of empty lanes leaving everyone in his wake and is in the slot/at the circles in the blink of an eye. Yes, even including mate Draisaitl, but he was playing hurt the last three games, clearly struggled but mustered through. McD intensity does not seem to wane, unlike many.

And Makar too: thing that grabs me, aside from his hockey instincts and decision making, is his power. He's a terrific skater, yes, but he can shift into turbo boost mode in an instant and he leaves defenders grasping at air. Compact, powerful, can't think of anyone who compares. Bure was to me (and for sure I was not a student) smoother, more silky. Makar is an assault weapon.
Not that I'm rushing it to get here, but it might be a crazy  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2022 11:43 am : link
off season with the flat cap, and RFA's

this doesn't even consider players like Pastrnak or Gaudreau

yves fredette 🏒
@fredette
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#NHL Rumors - Some wingers said to be available

🏒 Kevin Fiala #MNWild
🏒 Alex DeBrincat #Blackhawks
🏒 Josh Anderson #Habs #GoHabsGo
🏒 Evgeni Dadonov #VegasBorn
🏒 Jesse Puljujarvi #LetsGoOilers
🏒 Kailer Yamamoto #Oilers
🏒 Filip Zadina #LGRW
RE: Gaudreau  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2022 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15729439 Stu11 said:
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Hailey Salvian from the Athletic who does the Flames beat did an interesting article on potential Johnny Guadreau suiters. She listed the Devils as the one that makes the most sense. Mainly because he comes from South Jersey, and is rumored to want to play East. Her reasoning is that of the teams that make sense the Devs have the most cap room. I've felt all along the Flyers are the most likely landing spot. He grew up a fan and Kevin Hayes is his buddy from BC. Thing is they have only 5 mill in cap space and Owen Tippet is an RFA so they'll have to dump a guy like van Riemsdyk and probably more to make that happen. Calgary has tons of cap space but half the roster unsigned including Tkachuk as an RFA who's gonna cost a pretty penny. I'm not even sure it makes sense for the Devils. If they give him 10-11 mill AAV thats a ton of money tied up in him, Jack Hughes, Dougie Hamilton and Bratt who as an RFA will get 7-8 mill this summer. They have the room to do it right now, but they are not a contender and within a few years the cap room can get tight. The though of a Johnny Hockey-Hughes combo does wet the appetite though. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Seattle is also rumored to be a big player in the UFA market this summer with their mountains of cap room. If I were in charge in Calgary I'd pay him. Make your bed with him, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm and you have Tafoli, Backlund and Blake Coleman as great role players. If they find an upgrade in net they can contend.

I would love to add Gaudreau as I've always been a big fan of his but thinking logically I think the Devils would be wise to avoid paying him market value. As you mentioned the Devils are currently in good cap shape but they have already paid Hischier, Hughes, and Hamilton big money plus need to give Bratt a long term deal this offseason and he will likely command $6.5-$7.5 million annually. If they pay Gaudreau $9-11 million per season they would be in bad shape in the future when they have to extend Sharangovich, Mercer, Luke Hughes, and possibly Holtz if he performs as hoped. That's not even taking into account the fact that the Devils need to find a legit starting goaltender or the possible extensions of players like Siegenthaler, Severson, Graves, Blackwood, etc.

Now if they could get Gaudreau on a 2-3 year deal then I would be all for it but he going to want at least 5 years IMO. I prefer to see the Devils target cheaper options especially players with size and are very good defensively. I also would like to see them try to sign Mason Marchment if they can get him on a 2-3 year deal in the $3-4 million range.
Obviously  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2022 9:59 pm : link
not comparable players so I don't mean to compare them that way - just from $$$ allocation standpoint, but the Devils from a team makeup standpoint would be better off trading for Josh Anderson than signing Gaudreau.

half the price of gaudreau and he adds sandpaper but not at the cost of scoring. I love his game.
So happy the refs  
MyNameIsMyName : 6/12/2022 12:12 am : link
Ended up beating the Rangers. Only took a few series for them to pull it out.
RE: So happy the refs  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2022 9:19 am : link
In comment 15730526 MyNameIsMyName said:
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Ended up beating the Rangers. Only took a few series for them to pull it out.


Is this a joke?
RE: Obviously  
Stu11 : 6/12/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15730346 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
not comparable players so I don't mean to compare them that way - just from $$$ allocation standpoint, but the Devils from a team makeup standpoint would be better off trading for Josh Anderson than signing Gaudreau.

half the price of gaudreau and he adds sandpaper but not at the cost of scoring. I love his game.

Yeah Anderson or Marchmont would definitely give them some size on the wing that they are severely lacking. Another interesting guy is Ilya Mikeyev. He doesn't have as big of a role with the Leafs but maybe has upside if he gets a better role elsewhere.
I wonder if Florida  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2022 10:10 am : link
shops Bobrovsky or I guess Spencer Knight.

I don't see how those two logically co-exist, didn't make sense in that off-season when they signed Bob and drafted Knight or now.
RE: I wonder if Florida  
Stu11 : 6/12/2022 11:21 am : link
In comment 15730608 pjcas18 said:
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shops Bobrovsky or I guess Spencer Knight.

I don't see how those two logically co-exist, didn't make sense in that off-season when they signed Bob and drafted Knight or now.

Yeah he was pretty good this year, but that Bob deal woof. 10 mill aav for 4 more years. To move him they'd have to port a nice chunk of that. Looking at their cap situation I think they play it forward one more year with this group. Next off season is a killer for the. With Huberdeau, Weegar and Gudas as UFA's and Knight an RFA. By then they'll have to move Bob's deal if they want to keep a few of those guys. Looking over the cap Jack Hughes's deal has the potential to be a complete steal for the Devs at 8 mill aav for the next 8 years. He won't even be 30 when that deal is done. It has the potential to be a McKinnon type deal who's making 6.5 mill for one more season.
RE: RE: So happy the refs  
JayBinQueens : 6/12/2022 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15730589 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15730526 MyNameIsMyName said:


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Ended up beating the Rangers. Only took a few series for them to pull it out.



Is this a joke?


It's always someone else's fault
RE: RE: RE: So happy the refs  
Anakim : 6/12/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15730663 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 15730589 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15730526 MyNameIsMyName said:


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Ended up beating the Rangers. Only took a few series for them to pull it out.



Is this a joke?



It's always someone else's fault


No, it was our fault. We got outplayed and outcoached by the Lightning. We deserved to lose this series.
Apparently,  
Anakim : 6/12/2022 12:26 pm : link
The Flyers have narrowed down their coaching search to Torts and Trotz. God dammit, can we please Trotz out of the fucking Metropolitan Division? Can't he just go home to Winnipeg? Fuck.
RE: Obviously  
Jay on the Island : 6/12/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15730346 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
not comparable players so I don't mean to compare them that way - just from $$$ allocation standpoint, but the Devils from a team makeup standpoint would be better off trading for Josh Anderson than signing Gaudreau.

half the price of gaudreau and he adds sandpaper but not at the cost of scoring. I love his game.

I would love that. I hope that they try to land Conor Garland this offseason. I’d be more than happy to give up Zacha, another player like Wood, Kuokkanen, or McLeod and a 2nd. The Devils have more than enough skill but they need some gritty players.
RE: Apparently,  
JayBinQueens : 6/12/2022 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15730679 Anakim said:
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The Flyers have narrowed down their coaching search to Torts and Trotz. God dammit, can we please Trotz out of the fucking Metropolitan Division? Can't he just go home to Winnipeg? Fuck.


Totally fine w them signing Torts. No Trotz, please
Weekes is a good twitter follow  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2022 2:25 pm : link
for those interested in hockey news...

Kevin Weekes
@KevinWeekes
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1h
**Breaking News** 🚨 📰
@FlaPanthers
have let go Asst Coaches Samuelsson & Mackenzie, Ruutu to be retained. No word nor contract on G Coach Tallas status. No word on commitment nor contract for Jack Adams Finalist HC Brunette after franchise’s best season. #HockeyTwitter
wow  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2022 8:14 am : link
Kadri may be back for the finals (Cogliano too). I'll be shocked if Kadri hits the ice, I think he separated his shoulder.

I do hope he plays though, this series will be better if Point and Kadri play.
Point  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2022 2:49 pm : link
practicing being called "very probable" I'm a little surprised.

but hockey players are the toughest athletes on the planet, so not that surprised.
......  
Route 9 : 6/13/2022 11:28 pm : link
Haha always some wimp using the refs excuse because the Rangers failed AGAIN to win the cup.

Face it. This franchise sucks.

Oh, wait. They lost in the ECF 3 or 4 times in the last 10 years. So, suck on that one, Toronto Maple Leafs!

Even the fucking Cubs and Eagles can win "the big one" so let's see someone besides Messier and Leetch bring it home!
RE: ......  
Snablats : 6/14/2022 12:40 am : link
In comment 15732071 Route 9 said:
Quote:
Haha always some wimp using the refs excuse because the Rangers failed AGAIN to win the cup.

Face it. This franchise sucks.

Oh, wait. They lost in the ECF 3 or 4 times in the last 10 years. So, suck on that one, Toronto Maple Leafs!

Even the fucking Cubs and Eagles can win "the big one" so let's see someone besides Messier and Leetch bring it home!

If you are that dissatisfied with the Rangers, go root for another team. I dont know how anyone rational can be upset at the season and playoff run they just had
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2022 12:53 am : link
Oh yeah I forgot. You can't tell this guy to nut up and admit that the Tampa Bay Lightning were the better team and hus team wasn't. You take no issue with the guy making excuses.

Duh. 2022, America.
*  
Route 9 : 6/14/2022 12:53 am : link
And his team wasn't
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2022 12:56 am : link
You're playing that "you're crazy if you thought they'd make it this far" card again yet negelcting they had a decent chance to win the entire thing.

2 wins away from a cup appearance. I actually think that blaming the officiating is the most tiresome approach one can take .... because their team lost and fell flat right on their faces.
The difference in the Tampa series was  
Snablats : 6/14/2022 1:08 am : link
the 9 day break Tampa had that the Rangers didnt get. Both coaches said it, every writer and broadcaster said it. To deny it is moronic

No one took the Rangers as serious Cup contenders. PJ posted those huge pie charts that showed the Rangers with a 1% chance to get to the Final. They were 50/50 to beat Pittsburgh, and +180 underdogs vs Carolina. And were +150 underdogs vs Tampa even with home ice advantage

You seem to be the only one constantly complaining about this playoff run, and about the franchise in general. Again, if you dont like it, then root for another team. Your local team hasnt won a Cup in your lifetime (since 1975 in fact), maybe you can help them out
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2022 1:18 am : link
Just bored. They lost again. But to pretend as if the Cup was out of reach is silly. I thought they had a real shot if they got in the finals against the Oilers and I said they would have gotten clobbered by Colorado but of course you guys took offense to that as well.

Again do you have anything to say about the guy who's actually complaining about the officiating? No of course you do not.

Would have been cool to update the trophy case but instead ... Messier .... Happy 28 years by the way!
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2022 1:21 am : link
And as far as new teams are concerned who do you recommend? It's hard for me to follow because I work all day and it's fun to argue with you at job number two but I really don't have any free time to read up on players and post or read random charts on a football message board about hockey
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2022 1:22 am : link
I am inflamed mainly because there is nothing left until next year.

I mean .... Daniel Jones?

🗑
The Golden Knights hired Bruce Cassidy as their next HC  
Anakim : 6/14/2022 6:48 pm : link
So the best coach on the market next to Trotz is off the table.


I just hope the Flyers don't go with Trotz...
According to Kevin Weekes,  
Anakim : 6/15/2022 12:11 am : link
The Flyers have offered the HC job to Torts
Hard push for Trotz in Winnipeg  
Mad Mike : 6/15/2022 12:36 am : link
Quote:
A Winnipeg brewery says it will give Barry Trotz free beer for life if he returns to his native province to coach the @NHLJets

That's hardball.
link - ( New Window )
......  
Route 9 : 6/15/2022 1:04 pm : link
Forgot about the finals starting tonight. Brawling with Snablets about 1994 at 3:02 a.m. is more interesting than Tampa Bay/Colorado!
Point  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 1:20 pm : link
playing. Amazing.

COL still hasn't named a starting goalie. If COL loses this series, this is why- they neglected goalie.

I haven't seen any definitive report on Kadri or Cogliano. But I expect Kadri is out.

Rangers-TBL  
MyNameIsMyName : 6/15/2022 2:25 pm : link
Most watched series in 20 years. That NY market is real. Toronto and the refs obviously aren’t favoring other teams, hope this puts a dent in that.
aw man  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2022 2:34 pm : link
I don't want to have to hate Torts
Early goal for the Avalanche  
Anakim : 6/15/2022 8:33 pm : link
Hope Colorado sweeps those fuckers
softie  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 8:33 pm : link
from Vasilevskiy, no rust excuse this time
Make it 2-0  
Anakim : 6/15/2022 8:35 pm : link
Go Avs!
another  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 8:35 pm : link
softie.

TBL has no answer for the forecheck.

Cooper should call TO
softie  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 8:44 pm : link
for TB, lol.

2 - 1
Bad Penalty  
Percy : 6/15/2022 8:54 pm : link
To take. 5 on3? Oh, oh.
Lehkonen  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 8:57 pm : link
with the tip to go up 3 - 1.

Lehkonen was a 3rd line player in MTL, in COL he's given a top 6 chance and he blossoms, these coaches are not always as smart as people think
Kucherov  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 9:43 pm : link
flashing insane skill with a seeing eye pass tape to tape to Palat for the tap in.

3 - 2 Avs
TB  
Percy : 6/15/2022 9:44 pm : link
Closes the gap!
And Sergachev  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 9:45 pm : link
ties it.

COL will be sunk by their goalie. (2nd goal not his fault - 1st and 3rd soft)
And Then  
Percy : 6/15/2022 9:46 pm : link
Eliminates it. 3-3.Avs must be wondering WTF happened.
Yep we all said it before the series  
Greg from LI : 6/15/2022 10:13 pm : link
Goaltending is likely to cost Colorado big time
this game has settled in  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 10:45 pm : link
to be a really good game.
And we get  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 10:51 pm : link
an OT, COL will open OT with a brief power play
Avs  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2022 11:09 pm : link
win in OT Burakovsky? didn't see who it was.
In the End  
Percy : 6/15/2022 11:21 pm : link
They finally got around Vasilevsky in OT when he was beginning to look impenetrable. Good win for the Avs. Bolts played well, too, but just not quite well enough. Good game.
RE: Avs  
Percy : 6/15/2022 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15733616 pjcas18 said:
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win in OT Burakovsky? didn't see who it was.

Yes. Took the perfect cross-ice pass and buried it out Vasilevsky's reach.
......  
Route 9 : 6/16/2022 3:33 am : link
Didn't see the game and just watched highlights...

Man that Tampa Bay second goal was fucking sexy as fuck
I guess this means Shea Weber is done  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2022 6:34 pm : link
for good and may now become the Chris Pronger of this era. Sad.

Canadiens Montréal
@CanadiensMTL
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58m
The Canadiens have traded defenseman Shea Weber to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for forward Evgenii Dadonov.
Rumor  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2022 6:41 pm : link
is Josh Anderson now likely to be traded. I wouldn't be shocked if Dadonov doesn't wear a habs jersey for long either.
The Anaheim Ducks  
Servo 2.0 : 6/16/2022 8:56 pm : link
replied to the Vegas tweet announcing the Weber-Dadonov trade with, “You sure?”

We’ll played.
RE: The Anaheim Ducks  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2022 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15734254 Servo 2.0 said:
Quote:
replied to the Vegas tweet announcing the Weber-Dadonov trade with, “You sure?”

We’ll played.


lol, one of the weirdest transactions, then not a transaction in recent memory.
No game tonight  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2022 8:30 am : link
two off-days for some reason and the series resumes tomorrow and then follows a traditional every other day path.

Also, the NHL announced a 61M cap floor. Several teams will need help getting there.

ARI, DET, BUF, ANA all below 50M right now.

ARI at $49M with 17/23 NHL contracts.

Several teams still over or near the $82.5M cap.

LVG, TBL both over
MTL right around it


Should be a very active off-season with the flat cap and some painful decisions being made.

If ARI, BUF, ANA, & DET were willing to spend/take on money they can all get much better very quickly.
RE: The Anaheim Ducks  
BrettNYG10 : 6/17/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15734254 Servo 2.0 said:
Quote:
replied to the Vegas tweet announcing the Weber-Dadonov trade with, “You sure?”

We’ll played.


Can someone explain this to me, lol? I don't get the joke.
Dubinsky on Torts  
Mad Mike : 6/17/2022 9:44 am : link
Quote:
@Brandon Dubinsky - 🙏🏻 for the @NHLFlyers players!
RE: RE: The Anaheim Ducks  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2022 9:44 am : link
In comment 15734573 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15734254 Servo 2.0 said:


Quote:


replied to the Vegas tweet announcing the Weber-Dadonov trade with, “You sure?”

We’ll played.



Can someone explain this to me, lol? I don't get the joke.


At the trade deadline Vegas traded Dadonov to the Ducks, but Dadonov had a L-NTC (10 team) and Anaheim was not a team he could be traded to and he refused to waive it.

so the traded was reversed.

RE: RE: The Anaheim Ducks  
Mad Mike : 6/17/2022 9:46 am : link
In comment 15734573 BrettNYG10 said:
Quote:
Can someone explain this to me, lol? I don't get the joke.

Ducks thought they'd traded for Dadonov at the deadline, but it turned out Vegas didn't even realize he had a partial no-trade, and Anaheim was on the no-trade list, so it was nullified.
Mannnnnn....really wish Torts had gone anywhere else than the  
Greg from LI : 6/17/2022 9:46 am : link
goddamned Flyers
Thanks, Mike and pj.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/17/2022 9:51 am : link
Totally forgot about that.
Some good stuff from Pierre today  
pjcas18 : 6/17/2022 7:56 pm : link
in an Athletic article:

1. Trotz expects a decision around 7/1. Sounds like between WIN, DET coaching jobs or NSH front office.

2. MTL looking to trade Petry. He is still a legit top 4 D, top 6 on a really deep team, but can play PP and PK, 4 years left at 6.5M AAV will be rough after a couple years, but the next two should be ok.

3. MTL *not* shopping Josh Anderson, but teams keep calling about him, sense is MTL would part with him in a package with a top prospect. my editorial - I love his game. Him on a line with two guys like Pasta and Bergeron (for example) would put up Marchand like numbers.

4. EDM looking to retain Kulak and Kane, but could trade Puljujarvi.

5. DeBrincat market is active (LAK only team mentioned).

6. Klingberg unlikely to reach a deal to stay in DAL and likely hits FA (the biggest D name - I'd love him on my team) - this domino would fall before Petry, he (Petry) is likely no one's plan A, but a lot of teams plan B or C.
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Some draft notes  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2022 5:25 pm : link
Pronman good piece in the Athletic today. Seems a real debate (among non-Habs scouts and execs) about Wright vs Slafkovsky

Figures when the Habs finally get #1 it seems like a Nico Hischier year for a #1 pick, not that Hischier isn't good, he is, just not #1 overall good.

Avalanche are entering the Offensive zone like  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/18/2022 9:09 pm : link
they are walking into their living room. My wife is a very casual fan - watches the Ranger games only - and she's like "how is this team so fast?"
A Lack of Aggressive  
Percy : 6/18/2022 9:26 pm : link
Forechecking by TB helps. They just skate backwards into a defensive posture as the Avs charge for their net. Now 4-0.
Perry  
Mook80 : 6/18/2022 9:51 pm : link
should be thrown out of the game for that garbage. Scumbag move
Colorado is just embarrassing them  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/18/2022 9:51 pm : link
this could easily be 7-0. You can't count a 2 time champ out, but this series is going to be over early.

Oh yeah and Corey Perry continues to be a piece of shit.
Well It Is 7-0 Now  
Percy : 6/18/2022 10:39 pm : link
I do not see how it helps Vasilevskiy to have him allow another three goals against the Avs when there's been something wrong with their play and he'll have to save the day more than once down the road in this series. Who cares now if the lose this one 15-0? Let the ancient goal tender sub be blamed. Vasilevskiy should have been taken out after 4. Certainly after 5. Now it's just more punishment.
counts  
Mook80 : 6/18/2022 10:39 pm : link
the same as losing 1-0 but I haven't seen a team dominated like this in a stanley cup final game in my lifetime. The Lightning havent even sniffed scoring. Brett could throw the pads on tonight and pitch a shutout. I'm not sure why Cooper hasn't pulled AV, this isnt his fault but he shouldnt have to stay in with the way the team is playing in front of him, let him take the 3rd period off
RE: counts  
Percy : 6/18/2022 10:52 pm : link
In comment 15735538 Mook80 said:
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the same as losing 1-0 but I haven't seen a team dominated like this in a stanley cup final game in my lifetime. The Lightning havent even sniffed scoring. Brett could throw the pads on tonight and pitch a shutout. I'm not sure why Cooper hasn't pulled AV, this isnt his fault but he shouldnt have to stay in with the way the team is playing in front of him, let him take the 3rd period off


I think I am probably a lot older, and I cannot remember anything like this either.
Scumbag  
Mook80 : 6/18/2022 10:53 pm : link
RE: RE: counts  
Percy : 6/18/2022 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15735544 Percy said:
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In comment 15735538 Mook80 said:


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the same as losing 1-0 but I haven't seen a team dominated like this in a stanley cup final game in my lifetime. The Lightning havent even sniffed scoring. Brett could throw the pads on tonight and pitch a shutout. I'm not sure why Cooper hasn't pulled AV, this isnt his fault but he shouldnt have to stay in with the way the team is playing in front of him, let him take the 3rd period off



I think I am probably a lot older, and I cannot remember anything like this either.



PS. An Original Six guy for years as a real youngster whose mother's heart was taken by Vic Hadfield. No masks (except that one goalie for Toronto (?)), no helmets, old MSQG.
RE: RE: RE: counts  
ColHowPepper : 6/18/2022 11:35 pm : link
In comment 15735547 Percy said:
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In comment 15735544 Percy said

In
the same as losing 1-0 but I haven't seen a team dominated like this in a stanley cup final game in my lifetime. The Lightning havent even sniffed scoring. Brett could throw the pads on tonight and pitch a shutout. I'm not sure why Cooper hasn't pulled AV, this isnt his fault but he shouldnt have to stay in with the way the team is playing in front of him, let him take the 3rd

I think I am probably a lot older, and I cannot remember anything like this either.


PS. An Original Six guy for years as a real youngster whose mother's heart was taken by Vic Hadfield. No masks (except that one goalie for Toronto (?)), no helmets, old MSQG.

Percy, I was at the game at which your mom's heartthrob Vic Hadfield took Bernie Parent's mask and threw it up into the yellow seats, fans wouldn't give it up. Restart delayed 20 minutes after the scrum that triggered it all
RE: RE: RE: RE: counts  
Percy : 6/18/2022 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15735554 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15735547 Percy said:


Quote:


In comment 15735544 Percy said

In
the same as losing 1-0 but I haven't seen a team dominated like this in a stanley cup final game in my lifetime. The Lightning havent even sniffed scoring. Brett could throw the pads on tonight and pitch a shutout. I'm not sure why Cooper hasn't pulled AV, this isnt his fault but he shouldnt have to stay in with the way the team is playing in front of him, let him take the 3rd

I think I am probably a lot older, and I cannot remember anything like this either.


PS. An Original Six guy for years as a real youngster whose mother's heart was taken by Vic Hadfield. No masks (except that one goalie for Toronto (?)), no helmets, old MSQG.


Percy, I was at the game at which your mom's heartthrob Vic Hadfield took Bernie Parent's mask and threw it up into the yellow seats, fans wouldn't give it up. Restart delayed 20 minutes after the scrum that triggered it all


Wow! I was not there for that one.
RE: counts  
Route 9 : 6/19/2022 12:00 am : link
In comment 15735538 Mook80 said:
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the same as losing 1-0 but I haven't seen a team dominated like this in a stanley cup final game in my lifetime. The Lightning havent even sniffed scoring. Brett could throw the pads on tonight and pitch a shutout. I'm not sure why Cooper hasn't pulled AV, this isnt his fault but he shouldnt have to stay in with the way the team is playing in front of him, let him take the 3rd period off


Yep. Told you the Rangers would've gotten tuned up by Colorado in the Finals. I think Tampa Bay is in for a rude awakening because of other than some divine explanation, I cannot see them turning this around on the machine that is Colorado.

It's not like they're down 2-0 against the Rangers whose best players think if you stand around, the puck will find its own way into the net.

Or even better, the old wise strategy of just passing the puck into the net.

But I hope I'm wrong (in the Daniel Jones way I hope I'm wrong) because no way would I think we'd see a more boring, lopsided victory in the SCF over last year's event.
......  
Route 9 : 6/19/2022 12:01 am : link
God damn it that Tampa/Montreal series last year sucked ass.
Cale Makar is awesome  
Rick in Dallas : 6/19/2022 9:55 am : link
Bolts trying to take a piece of him on every shift. Not working as he puts 2 behind AV in the third.
I thought the Bolts did effect Fox in the ECF. Not going to work against Makar.
Makar is so compact, so strong  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2022 11:50 am : link
yet agile and quick enough to either avoid or attenuate the bodies TBL tries to put on him. Explosive initial digs into his skates and so stable and balanced (like an Edwards-Helaire?), really hard to get a lick on him. He's the anti-Fox in terms of body type and skating dynamics. Presumptive Norris winner, unless Hedman takes it.

This is not to devalue Fox, who obviously has won hearts and minds early in his career and been stellar for NYR, with a longish weak stretch following his return from lower body. But at this point the only attributes I might rate him higher than Makar are his hockey smarts and passing ability.
RE: Some draft notes  
Jay on the Island : 6/19/2022 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15735418 pjcas18 said:
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Pronman good piece in the Athletic today. Seems a real debate (among non-Habs scouts and execs) about Wright vs Slafkovsky

Figures when the Habs finally get #1 it seems like a Nico Hischier year for a #1 pick, not that Hischier isn't good, he is, just not #1 overall good.

That's a perfect fair assessment of Hischier. He's a very good center who could be the #1 guy on many teams but he hasn't been the traditional star #1 overall pick like his teammate Jack Hughes. With the benefit of hindsight the Devils made a mistake taking Hischier over Makar that year. The Devils loved Makar too back in the draft.
Agree Jay  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2022 12:28 pm : link
hindsight is beautiful though, I don't think there was a ton of debate though about Makar #1 overall. it was more between Hischier and Patrick and I think the Devils chose right.

I think the Devils chose right with Hughes too and Hughes can be in the Matthews level (not McDavid, but Matthews I think).

I'm just glad 2022 is not an Ekblad or Dhalin year b/c as good as those two are I think what they provide is easier found outside the top of the draft and cheaper in free agency or trade than what Hischier or (likely) Wright brings. Even if they're not McDavid (or Matthews) both project to be or are 1C/2C.

RE: RE: Some draft notes  
ColHowPepper : 6/19/2022 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15735653 Jay on the Island said:
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With the benefit of hindsight the Devils made a mistake taking Hischier over Makar that year. The Devils loved Makar too back in the draft.
Jay, George Rodgers before LT come to mind? Imperfect comp, jk
See how these  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2022 2:25 pm : link
next two games go in TB but I may haveseverely underestimated how TB would respond to COL speed and more importantly depth.

COL is playing the Johnsons on D.

EriK (who is just past his prime) and Jack (who makes Erik look like Ray Bourque) And for the record I like them both and always felt terrible that Jack Johnson was robbed by his family but if that's not an exposeable D pair nothing is.

Not to mention John Manson (think Justin Braun) in their top 4.

MacKinnon and Landeskog were barely noticeable last night (on the scoresheet). This wasn't damage done by McDavid when you play the Oilers, this was damage done by the Josh Archibald of the Oilers (for example).

Nichushkin, Cogliano, Helm, O'Connor, Newhook, those are the players who won the game last night. Makar was ridiculous but he didn't score until it was 5 - 0. MacKinnon didn't get a point until the 7th goal.

TB is in trouble, but let's see what happens after two games in TB.



pj...Lehkonen and Rantanen played very well also last night  
Rick in Dallas : 6/19/2022 3:35 pm : link
Byram,Towes and Makar make up for the other defensemen for sure.
I thought Eric Johnson played well last night.
Helms is hitting everything in sight...wow.
RE: pj...Lehkonen and Rantanen played very well also last night  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2022 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15735750 Rick in Dallas said:
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Byram,Towes and Makar make up for the other defensemen for sure.
I thought Eric Johnson played well last night.
Helms is hitting everything in sight...wow.


Lehky is awesome, I tried to tell Rangers fans he'd be a good acquisition and none wanted to send a pick and a prospect (like Lundvkist), he is getting a chance in COL to play top 6 minutes - something he never did in MTL and he's thriving.

he's not the same player as Kakko, but IMO as Fins they share some traits around fundamentals and I think the Rangers should do this with Kakko (just put him in the top 6).
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/19/2022 3:39 pm : link
Saw somewhere that the Avs are set up to be good for a long time. I caught a minute or two of last night's game @ the bar & Colorado was up 5-0.
......  
Route 9 : 6/19/2022 4:13 pm : link
Colorado has scored 4 goals or more in 12 of their games so far in this 2022 playoff run.

and I'm the lunatic for believing high scoring is a quirky outlook in winning a Stanley Cup.

Far out, bro.
Yeah Jay hindsight is great  
Stu11 : 6/19/2022 4:25 pm : link
Of course all 30 teams would take Makar there knowing what we know now. I agree Nico is pretty much an underwhelming #1 overall though I'm interested to see him next year because he showed a lot more offensive upside the 2nd half of the season.
Pete DeBoer is the new HC of the Dallas Stars  
Anakim : 6/19/2022 9:54 pm : link
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The Rangers have used Kakko in top 6  
Snablats : 6/19/2022 10:53 pm : link
and nothing happened
RE: Yeah Jay hindsight is great  
Jay on the Island : 6/20/2022 7:44 am : link
In comment 15735791 Stu11 said:
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Of course all 30 teams would take Makar there knowing what we know now. I agree Nico is pretty much an underwhelming #1 overall though I'm interested to see him next year because he showed a lot more offensive upside the 2nd half of the season.

I wasn't knocking NIco. He was still a solid choice for the Devils and thank god they didn't take Nolan Patrick instead. Obviously at the time nobody had Makar as the #1 overall prospect that year so the Devils made the smart choice of the two just as they did in the Hughes/Kakko draft.

Hischier really came on last season and I think he will have a career year IF he stays healthy which is always the issue with him. The Devils have some real firepower up front and normally I would be very excited going into next season but for the life of me I have no idea why they brought Ruff back. The Devils made a mistake hiring him in the first place over Gallant and now the mistake is compounded by keeping him when Trotz and Cassidy were available. Hell I would have been happy if they replaced Ruff with Kevin Dineen.
Really looking forward to tonight  
ColHowPepper : 6/20/2022 2:37 pm : link
- not only is it possibly the penultimate game of the '21 - '22 season, after which we have to wait ~4 months before bullets start flying, but

- am intrigued by whether Cooper can find some answers, because the first two games didn't seem to offer up many: three pair that look overmatched and the forward lines that have looked NYR like in ineptitude in some of their games vs PIT, CAR, and TBL, and

- COL seems to have picked up on Rangers' secret sauce vs Vasiylevsky by shooting high on glove and blocker, but Blueshirts went punk on any sustained pressure in TBL zone--not an Avs problem; will Kuemper be tested?, and

- get a chance to marvel at a bunch of the elite talents in the league;

- to keep it real, Rangers lost to COL 7-3 and 4-2 this season. Some of us maintained pretty much throughout this season that we were not in the same class as the NHL's elite teams and I don't believe, had we managed not to get swept four straight by Tampa Bay (after Games 1-2), we would be looking that much better. It's fun to lace up the skates and not really be wired or gouged by the outcome however it goes.
I don't think tonight's score will be 7-0.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/20/2022 2:58 pm : link
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so, a TD and a field goal?  
ColHowPepper : 6/20/2022 3:48 pm : link
lulz
I think everyone saying this series is over is way premature  
Stu11 : 6/20/2022 4:18 pm : link
Tampa has won 11 series in a row. They're not chumps. They were just down 2-0 to the Rangers and came back. I know the Avs are better than the Rangers, but Tampa is still alive.
Agree it's not over  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 4:46 pm : link
but tonight is a must win.
Hence, tonight is compelling viewing  
ColHowPepper : 6/20/2022 5:25 pm : link
Get to see these heavyweights go head to head. Cannot be a hockey fan and not be amped to see how this plays out.
Backstrom  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 5:53 pm : link
had hip surgery, his career is in doubt.

Losing Bergeron (?) and Backstrom in the same off-season would be a big talent drain in one year.
Point  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 5:54 pm : link
not in the morning skate, apparently a GTD.

Kadri and Burakovsky listed as day to day, not sure either plays tonight.
RE: I don't think tonight's score will be 7-0.  
Route 9 : 6/20/2022 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15736367 BrettNYG10 said:
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10-0?
RE: so, a TD and a field goal?  
Route 9 : 6/20/2022 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15736407 ColHowPepper said:
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lulz


Damn you.

You made the same joke BEFORE me.
Nichushkin, Valeri  
ColHowPepper : 6/20/2022 7:42 pm : link
pj, and all, what's your take on him? He's a truck, Kreider-sized at 6'4'' and 210, except that he is producing, steamrolling. I'd been barely aware of the player, as in clueless, until the last couple weeks.
Unconscionable  
Percy : 6/20/2022 8:37 pm : link
Amount of time taken by refs to overturn that offsides, flawed Av goal.
RE: Nichushkin, Valeri  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15736594 ColHowPepper said:
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pj, and all, what's your take on him? He's a truck, Kreider-sized at 6'4'' and 210, except that he is producing, steamrolling. I'd been barely aware of the player, as in clueless, until the last couple weeks.


He'd always been a defense first, almost offensive zero until this year in COL. I think he made himself some money this off-season as a UFA, and hopefully it's not my team that overpays for him.

Or...maybe like a lot of big hockey players the light bulb takes a little longer to come on and this is the player he is - 50+ point physical good defender - in which case it will be a great signing, lol.

who is going to take the gamble though?

Cirelli  
Percy : 6/20/2022 8:56 pm : link
Saves their ass on a great play.
RE: Unconscionable  
ColHowPepper : 6/20/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15736652 Percy said:
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Amount of time taken by refs to overturn that offsides, flawed Av goal.

Very Strome like not to keep the puck inside the BL, Bowen, just drifting into a mindless mistake

Good game so far, pj, tnks
Palat  
Percy : 6/20/2022 9:01 pm : link
Puts 'em ahead with 3 on 2 nice shot.
I think Hockey needs to do what the other sports do  
Stu11 : 6/20/2022 9:28 pm : link
If you're successful on a challenge you should get one more. Shame to punish Tampa late in the game for correctly challenging that play in the 1st period.
Kuemper  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 9:53 pm : link
gets yanked after the Maroon goal - I think the Stamkos goal was kind of soft too.
Avs Prove  
Percy : 6/20/2022 10:04 pm : link
Mortal after all.
we may have a series  
pjcas18 : 6/20/2022 11:17 pm : link
I'd love to see TB even it up Wednesday.

even though I hate TB.
Watched only the first period ....  
Route 9 : 6/21/2022 12:19 am : link
Nice. Glad this isn't a sweep.
Ethan  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2022 9:41 am : link
Bear given permission by CAR to seek a deal elsewhere.

not sure if they will QO him or not.

He's an RFA.
Following some great draft gurus on twitter  
Stu11 : 6/21/2022 10:08 am : link
They do good deep dive advanced metric pre-draft comps between this year's draftees and current NHL player's pre draft stats. The more I read I think the Devils should be open to dealing #2 for a current star or thinking about Cooley or Nemic. The comps are not kind to Slaf to put it kindly.
@ByronmBader is a good one to follow. @jhanHky is another good one.
I wish there was  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2022 10:13 am : link
a way MTL could take Cooley and not pass on Wright.

I wonder how much better Bedard is as a prospect compared to Wright.

Another smurf though.

I like Michkov too, but same thing as Bedard and everyone from Russia is being dinged as prospects due to global issues.
......  
Route 9 : 6/21/2022 2:08 pm : link
I'm going to change my vote and now I'm thinking this series goes 6 or 7. I'm going to go with 7.

I thought Tampa Bay was dead in the water.
NHL  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2022 6:16 pm : link
awards show tonight.
Paul  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 10:24 am : link
Maurice hired in FL.

the NHL is basically just a revolving door/game of musical chairs of the same 32 men coaching each of the 32 teams.

Kadri  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 5:57 pm : link
a game time decision.

no issue with any awards.

Technically Josi had a better year in many regards than Makar, but I see no issue with Makar winning.

I would have voted for McDavid as Hart over Matthews, but again no issue with Matthews.

Seider earned Calder. I think another month of the season Caufield could have moved into the top 5, but he was invisible for two months and that sunk him.

Igor ran away with Vezina.

Bergeron probably the least deserving, but sometimes the award that hard to measure, like Selke, goes to the reputation guy.

Kadri  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 7:40 pm : link
in, pretty amazing that he's playing.
that was quick  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 8:21 pm : link
1 - 0 TBL - Kuemper mask came off - wonder if that's a review?
......  
Route 9 : 6/22/2022 8:22 pm : link
So you get to stab the goalie in the mask with your stick and all is fair?
RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15738414 Route 9 said:
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So you get to stab the goalie in the mask with your stick and all is fair?


the puck hit him in the mask knocking it off.
......  
Route 9 : 6/22/2022 8:27 pm : link
Ah ok.
RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15738423 Route 9 said:
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Ah ok.


I still thought they blew the play dead if that happened, but the crew actually did a good job explaining it.

play is blown dead immediately if the goalie's mask comes off *unless* there is an immediate scoring chance - like there was on that play. learn something new all the time.
PP  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 9:22 pm : link
goal off Mackinnon's skate ties it.
Hedman  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2022 9:33 pm : link
goes coast to coast (basically) and beats Kuemper with a bad angle backhand (pretty soft goal).

2 - 1 TBL
AV top of his game  
Rick in Dallas : 6/22/2022 9:56 pm : link
He truly is a great goalie and only 27
......  
Route 9 : 6/22/2022 11:26 pm : link
Patrick Kane?
WOW  
Anakim : 6/22/2022 11:27 pm : link
What a GWG by Kadri! Hell of a return
......  
Route 9 : 6/22/2022 11:28 pm : link
What a goal though
Refs  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 8:04 am : link
missed too many men on COL for the GW.

I don't complain about refs I think they miss shit and they miss it both ways, and I'm glad it's not reviewable, but it sucks when you're on the losing end of one of their misses at a critical point.

Bo Byram is still in the D zone here out of camera view.

6th player not involved in the play, looks like he's skating off, but it was at least a few seconds. His replacement was on way too long to let go IMO.

Colorado absolutely took it to them in OT  
Stu11 : 6/23/2022 8:16 am : link
Just dominated for 12 minutes and hit 2 posts. Series is probably over, but I expect Tampa to show up and not go quietly.
Oh wow  
Route 9 : 6/23/2022 8:41 am : link
I'm just broken hearted
Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
Greg from LI : 6/23/2022 9:06 am : link
and has now lost his voting privileges.
Barry..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/23/2022 9:19 am : link
Trotz has a good response to TB whining:

"7 fucking guys. There's seven guys on the ice. For the fucking goal. It's right here"

And it was unchallengeable.
RE: Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
Route 9 : 6/23/2022 9:23 am : link
In comment 15738631 Greg from LI said:
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and has now lost his voting privileges.


You serious?

Today's just not my day.
Refs let a lot go during the third and OT periods  
Rick in Dallas : 6/23/2022 9:25 am : link
Kadri's goal was awesome.Bolts looked very tired in OT.
2 real fluky goals for Avs against AV in regulation..
yep, serious  
Greg from LI : 6/23/2022 9:27 am : link
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Link - ( New Window )
Preds  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 2:25 pm : link
offer Forsberg an 8-year deal, so basically a you want to stay here or you don't offer.

In the NHL only the current team can offer an 8-year deal, all other teams can only offer 7. I haven't seen the $$ but I have to believe it's in the $8-10M range AAV.

I hope he hits FA it's always more exciting to see FA movement.

RE: Preds  
Stu11 : 6/23/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15738972 pjcas18 said:
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offer Forsberg an 8-year deal, so basically a you want to stay here or you don't offer.

In the NHL only the current team can offer an 8-year deal, all other teams can only offer 7. I haven't seen the $$ but I have to believe it's in the $8-10M range AAV.

I hope he hits FA it's always more exciting to see FA movement.

If he takes that (And he should if its legit) I wanna be Johnny Hockey's agent come free agent frenzy. He was already scalding hot, now the sky is the limit.
I agree Stu  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 4:16 pm : link
and I think Gaudreau may hit FA.

Flames have space ($27M)

but they have Gaudreau (UFA), Tkachuk (RFA) and that's $20M at least which leaves $7M for

Mangiapane RFA ($5M)

and then ($2M for...)
7 more UFAs and at least one more RFA.

They may be able to do it or some format of it, but long-term it will be hard for them to maintain.

RE: Refs  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15738584 pjcas18 said:
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missed too many men on COL for the GW....

Bo Byram is still in the D zone here out of camera view.

6th player not involved in the play, looks like he's skating off, but it was at least a few seconds. His replacement was on way too long to let go IMO.

COL bench coach in charge of line changes and timing needs to up his game. There was one stretch, I think in the 2nd, one of the many times Tampa had Avs pinned in their own zone in one of Bolts' classic forechecking shifts--Makar's pair and don't remember which line was on brutally long shift and could not change. Finally, there was a partial clear between red line and TBL's BL--Avs bench in that period was on the TBL BL side of center ice--Avs desperate to change and the players due to come on were not even standing/straddling the boards ready to jump over. You could see them rise from seated position to make the change, but by then Bolts regained possession and as result no one jumped on ice for a partial change. Just brutal. They were asleep at the switch at a crucial juncture. I was yelling WTF are you waiting for?
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2022 4:32 pm : link
I think the Lightning abuse the too many man rule more than anyone.

I didn't look enough to know if it should be called.

It wasn't as egregious as say, the 2014 uncalled goaltender interference against Lundqvist.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2022 4:33 pm : link
Also, the officiating was awful. Blatant penalties ignored. The 'let them play' bullshit advantages the Lightning who do more clutching and grabbing in the playoffs than most.
RE: Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
djm : 6/23/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15738631 Greg from LI said:
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and has now lost his voting privileges.


lol I can't help it but feel joy in this.
i don't even have a thing for Brooks  
djm : 6/23/2022 4:40 pm : link
it's just that his interactions with Torts were so entertaining.
RE: ....  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15739150 BrettNYG10 said:
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Also, the officiating was awful. Blatant penalties ignored. The 'let them play' bullshit advantages the Lightning who do more clutching and grabbing in the playoffs than most.

There was hooking call on Avs and it looked very similar to, and was almost the identical spot where KAM was called for the phantom hook. Came immediately to mind. But, yeah, there were calls that could easily have been made against both that weren't.
I didn't notice the refs  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 5:05 pm : link
except when TBL had a penalty because the COL PP is lethal and fun to watch. MacKinnon still gets the "press" but holy shit when that puck gets to the point and Makar gets it it's like watching McDavid as a D. He's the best D skater I've seen ever. not just throwing out superlatives. Coffey, Housley, Leetch, Niedermayer (so underrated), Quinn Hughes, whoever else you would name they are not in Makar's class. This must be what watching Bobby Orr was like - only not in choppy old video, so smooth, so good with the puck at high speed, so elusive and deceptive and he can shoot the puck - and shoot it hard from anywhere, quickly.

I didn't notice much missed by the refs, but that's consistent for me, I'm usually one of those let them play people Brett hates, lol.

I only called out the too many men, because it happened in OT of a SCF game. you know bright lights big stage, obvious missed call.
this is going to be a really weird take  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 7:17 am : link
and no doubt I'll get endless shite because he's reviled in these parts (me too), and along with this caveat: they're not in the same universe as d-men, certainly in their own zone nor as attacking, puck carrying d-men into the opponents' defensive zone, all that said: but TDA at the point on the PP as the ability to slide left and right, forward and back with speed and some suddenness better than most I've seen,and he has a decent shot from the point. That's pretty much were the comp ends because he can't take it to the net anywhere close to what Makar can.
Ready, aim...
RE: this is going to be a really weird take  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15740116 ColHowPepper said:
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and no doubt I'll get endless shite because he's reviled in these parts (me too), and along with this caveat: they're not in the same universe as d-men, certainly in their own zone nor as attacking, puck carrying d-men into the opponents' defensive zone, all that said: but TDA at the point on the PP as the ability to slide left and right, forward and back with speed and some suddenness better than most I've seen,and he has a decent shot from the point. That's pretty much were the comp ends because he can't take it to the net anywhere close to what Makar can.
Ready, aim...


Even if TDA is the closest (and I disagree, but respect your opinion and everyone's opinion for that matter) he's not close.

And I felt like TDA struggled in the Rangers series in this exact role. He was not innovative at all moving the puck as PP QB, with PP zone entries or PP puck distribution.

Maybe he was too amped up, not sure, but I came away very unimpressed.

the closest to pure skating I have seen of current players to Makar might be Quinn Hughes. But I think Hughes has been (not 100% sure with my eye test) massively exposed in all other areas of defense limiting his utility.
fair enough  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 8:01 am : link
and agree he wasn't impressive in the 2nd SCP round. To be clear I did not address 'pure skating', only maneuverability at the point on PP.
Then there is this  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 8:02 am : link
stuff that has been making the twitter rounds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV852AsWQAQfB7p?format=jpg&name=small
RE: fair enough  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 8:09 am : link
In comment 15740141 ColHowPepper said:
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and agree he wasn't impressive in the 2nd SCP round. To be clear I did not address 'pure skating', only maneuverability at the point on PP.


I know. I was just combining them because in my mind skating enables the maneuverability (or at least makes it more effective).

Makar's passing is on another level too, almost always crisp, tape to tape, or in the sweet spot for a one-timer, little things that sometimes get overlooked.


RE: Then there is this  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 8:12 am : link
In comment 15740143 ColHowPepper said:
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stuff that has been making the twitter rounds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV852AsWQAQfB7p?format=jpg&name=small


I'll be amazed if the Rangers can move that contract in a flat cap year (without eating salary).

It would open up a lot of options if they can though.
RE: Then there is this  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2022 8:14 am : link
In comment 15740143 ColHowPepper said:
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stuff that has been making the twitter rounds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV852AsWQAQfB7p?format=jpg&name=small


Would be dumb to trade him now at a low after a perceived poor playoffs
and it's not like Drury has  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 8:17 am : link
proven himself to be a magician at making deals

And, hell, if this Staple rumor has any basis, what about Kreider? His SCP were pretty darn quiet too, especially vs Bolts, tip toeing around scrums along the boards, late and lazy in checking, forward and back
Patrice Bergeron will return to the Bruins on a one year deal  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:11 am : link
Regarding Panarin, dealing could make a lot of sense but it depends, obviously, on the return. Jay's probably right though - I don't know that I'd say they'd be selling low, but the disappointing playoff performance would likely make it harder to get good value. Plus, he would control the destination.
I agree not the best time to trade  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 9:28 am : link
Panarin, but IMO it would be more a salary dump than looking to recoup value.

He is a free agent signee, not a draft pick the Rangers invested in and developed and are afraid to lose for nothing.

If you want to trade Panarin (I'm not convinced it makes the Rangers better) you're not concerned on recouping investment, you are looking for some team to take his salary.
RE: Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
Mad Mike : 6/24/2022 9:33 am : link
In comment 15738631 Greg from LI said:
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and has now lost his voting privileges.

He says he chose not to submit his ballot in protest of masking rules and inconsistent access to players during the post-season. Because of course he did.
maybe a salary dump  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:34 am : link
But that's still ninety points you have to replace
RE: maybe a salary dump  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15740276 Greg from LI said:
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But that's still ninety points you have to replace


my assumption was they'd free up the Panarin money to make a run at Gaudreau or something like that. Not get those points replaced in a trade.
Doesn't Panarin have a  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2022 9:37 am : link
NMC?
he certainly does  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:41 am : link
That's why he'd control his destination if he actually wanted to be traded.

PJ, I assumed that, if they did want to dump his salary, it would be to be able to retain more of their young players long term.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2022 9:50 am : link
I'd look to trade Kreider or Trouba before Panarin.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 9:51 am : link
In comment 15740311 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'd look to trade Kreider or Trouba before Panarin.


Trouba creates a much bigger hole IMO than Panarin.

I do support trading Kreider though, his value won't likely be higher.
The Rangers are loaded with young defensemen though  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:53 am : link
Lundkvist, Jones, and Robertson all waiting in the wings.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2022 10:06 am : link
I don't value Trouba as highly as you do, pj - although I think the NYR fan base vastly underrates him. Also, he's a little more expensive and I'm very high on Schneider.

Kreider is the better option. These NMCs are killer.
Kreider  
five5 : 6/24/2022 10:06 am : link
It might make sense to deal him but just can’t see them doing it. Drury loves Trouba…not happening.
That Panarin stuff from Staple  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2022 10:15 am : link
feels a bit like click-bait. "If there’s a rift, Panarin could ask out, as near-impossible as it would be to move this mammoth contract."

If, could, near-impossible. So it sounds like he's not going anywhere? It's entirely possible Drury expressed in exit interviews to Panarin that they need more from him in the playoffs, while also not having any intention to deal him. But I guess we'll see
I think Trouba is underrated  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 10:17 am : link
and I think top line D is underrated.

Look at the blocked shots, hits, and opponents they normally play against.

On the Rangers, IMO, a #1 D like Trouba is more valuable and harder to replace than Panarin or Kreider.

And I think Trouba's salary is the most fair of the three.
and to the Trouba/Panarin thesis  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 12:54 pm : link
i.e., retain the former and if, when, maybe deal Panarin, I'd add that, so far and on balance, Drury's moves have been on the (hate to say the word) 'grittier', side. Whether it is Slats behind the scene or whatever, Blais, Goodrow, Reaves, Motte, less so Vatrano, with Copp closer to Vatrano than Motte. And whether that slant is appealing to Rangers' fans vs. the Gorton/Davidson school is debatable.

In that context, Trouba is safe and valued. I've no idea as to contract status, but I'd wager Drury looks at Maroon, Killorn, Cirelli, Hagel, et al. style of play and thriving in the Cooper school and covet one or more, hell, even Perry.

So frustrating to see Panarin and Kreider wilt in the fire of the crucible.
I don't think as a non-Rangers  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 2:00 pm : link
fan I'd put Kreider and Panarin in quite the same bucket.

Yes, Kreider under-performed and did his usual (before 2021-2022 regular season) disappearing act for long stretches, but for the playoffs he

Led the team in even strength goals (tied with Chytil)
Led the team with 3 GWG (and I know GWG are a flimsy stat, but still better than anyone else on the team other than Chytil)
Led the team in G/60
Was 3rd on the team in hits

Could he has been better? Sure, but Kreider wasn't the reason they didn't advance
I thought Krieder's play in the ECF took a big dive in performance  
Rick in Dallas : 6/24/2022 2:12 pm : link
over the first 2 rounds. I was really disappointed in his play as at times his play was a non factor in the ECF.
Chicago  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 3:18 pm : link
to hire Luke Richardson as head coach.

I liked him as MTL D coach, I wonder if he tries to lure Petry away.

possible handshake  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 4:08 pm : link
game tonight.

sad, but at least we have the draft to look forward to.

Main reason I wanted TBL to win game 4, was to ensure at least a game 6. Now need the unlikely to happen and TBL to win in COL.

Point and Cirelli both GTD.
I've never liked Colorado much  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 4:14 pm : link
Mainly because they vultured the 1996 Cup from long suffering Nordiques fans.....but I'll be very glad to see Tampa lose
RE: I've never liked Colorado much  
Route 9 : 6/24/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15740737 Greg from LI said:
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Mainly because they vultured the 1996 Cup from long suffering Nordiques fans.....but I'll be very glad to see Tampa lose


I always liked Roy. I thought he was a funny character.

I went to that game in 1997 or 1998 where he skated out to center ice with the puck. That still cracks me up to this day.
I have no feelings  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 4:31 pm : link
toward COL, I hated them after the Roy trade, but not any more. I find it hard to watch Makar and MacKinnon and hate the team. Kadri is an asshole, but somehow turned into a sympathetic character after being boarded by Kane. And he's a good player.

I do hate TBL though.
RE: possible handshake  
Route 9 : 6/24/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15740730 pjcas18 said:
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game tonight.

sad, but at least we have the draft to look forward to.

Main reason I wanted TBL to win game 4, was to ensure at least a game 6. Now need the unlikely to happen and TBL to win in COL.

Point and Cirelli both GTD.


I think Tampa Bay wins tonight and then Colorado wins game 6.
TBL  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 4:35 pm : link
is their own worst enemy - against NYR they were throwing everything on net it was clear their plan was to shoot from everywhere.

Now they're playing a sieve and being selective with their shots. I don't get it.

TBL wins if they pepper the goalie. Kuemper may not be a sieve that was harsh, but he's the weak link on COL and long with their bottom 4 on D.

TBL who had such a good approach vs NYR has such a bad approach vs COL IMO.
I don't hate this particular version of the Avs at all  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 4:37 pm : link
I just disliked when their fans got to celebrate a championship they never had to suffer for.
......  
Route 9 : 6/24/2022 4:38 pm : link
Colorado is a way better team than the Rangers are.

Even if the Rangers did slip by Tampa Bay, no way I can see that series going more than 5 games, probably a sweep in Colorado's favor, to be honest.
......  
Route 9 : 6/24/2022 4:39 pm : link
Colordo lost a hockey team too but they were like 7 years old by that point lol
RE: I don't think as a non-Rangers  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15740638 pjcas18 said:
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fan I'd put Kreider and Panarin in quite the same bucket.

Yes, Kreider under-performed and did his usual (before 2021-2022 regular season) disappearing act for long stretches, but for the playoffs he

Led the team in even strength goals (tied with Chytil)
Led the team with 3 GWG (and I know GWG are a flimsy stat, but still better than anyone else on the team other than Chytil)
Led the team in G/60
Was 3rd on the team in hits

Could he has been better? Sure, but Kreider wasn't the reason they didn't advance


I wasn't aware of these facts, thanks for posting.

Kreider is still a frustrating player to me. I don't think he's as good of a forechecker as he should be given his speed. He isn't that strong along the boards. He's still very good, obviously.
Kreider had wrist surgery today  
Snablats : 6/24/2022 4:42 pm : link
which could explain his falloff in the semifinals

Staple said "league" sources, not "team" sources. Big difference. League sources are hearing things 3rd or 4th hand. Team sources are more legit
Very Trouba there  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 8:43 pm : link
by Johnson. I don't hate the Lightning, respect the team, even if Henrik vintage Rangers vs TB was star-crossed, seemed unfair. But jeez I still love #27 regardless the uni
......  
Route 9 : 6/24/2022 8:50 pm : link
Tampa STRIKES first
classic TB fore check shift  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 9:24 pm : link
Maroon is so strong on his skates
Orr like there  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 9:57 pm : link
as Makar swooped in, sliced through three defenders but AV poked and deflected
What a crackerjack period of hockey  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 9:59 pm : link
terrific
Avalanche  
Mook80 : 6/24/2022 11:03 pm : link
have dominated 4 of the 5 games. Lightning somehow found a way to win this one. 2 of the 3 goals for Lightning have to be stopped by Kuemper.
Looks Like Games 6 and 7  
Percy : 6/24/2022 11:06 pm : link
Are going to happen. This one was sensational.
I don't know, Mook,  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 11:11 pm : link
Both teams had long stretches during which they just camped in the other team's end. There were long stretches of end to end play. Perhaps edge to Avs.

Best game of the Series, imo
Terrific game by Tampa Bay  
Rick in Dallas : 6/24/2022 11:21 pm : link
They certainly have the heart of a champion.
I thought they outplayed the Avs tonight.
Palat with another GW goal.
Good article on the Avalanche-Red Wings  
St. Jimmy : 6/24/2022 11:35 pm : link
Rivalry in the late 90s. Those games were appointment television for me back then.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Good article on the Avalanche-Red Wings  
Route 9 : 6/25/2022 12:03 am : link
In comment 15740960 St. Jimmy said:
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Rivalry in the late 90s. Those games were appointment television for me back then. Link - ( New Window )


Hell yeah
......  
Route 9 : 6/25/2022 12:06 am : link
I'd be so angry if I were an Avs fan and bought tickets to that game. Friday night, at home and they don't bring home the cup?

Seats would be flying!
That was maybe the best hockey  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 7:44 am : link
game of the playoffs. Or recency theory, not sure.

I thought it was a great heavyweight battle between two great teams.

and glad we get 6, hoping for 7.
Difference in game came down to goaltending imv  
Rick in Dallas : 6/25/2022 8:19 am : link
Kuemper gave up 2 very soft goals last night.
It takes crazy bounces to get the puck in the goal past AV who is at the top of his game.
Cale Makar played a awesome game last night.
I only thought the  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 8:25 am : link
1st goal was soft by Kuemper (and that was the difference so can you point to Keumper as the difference if you want).

the Palat goal (the eventual GW) had Kuemper moving, he got his stick on it, but IMO that would have been a great save.
Redux  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 8:36 am : link
In comment 15739144 ColHowPepper said:
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...COL bench coach in charge of line changes and timing needs to up his game. There was one stretch, I think in the 2nd, one of the many times Tampa had Avs pinned in their own zone in one of Bolts' classic forechecking shifts--Makar's pair and don't remember which line was on brutally long shift and could not change. Finally, there was a partial clear between red line and TBL's BL--Avs bench in that period was on the TBL BL side of center ice--Avs desperate to change and the players due to come on were not even standing/straddling the boards ready to jump over. You could see them rise from seated position to make the change, but by then Bolts regained possession and as result no one jumped on ice for a partial change. Just brutal. They were asleep at the switch at a crucial juncture. I was yelling WTF are you waiting for?

That was my comment from Game 4.
Redux at an even more critical juncture very late 3rd, arguably 7 position players on ice.
RE: Orr like there  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15740930 ColHowPepper said:
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as Makar swooped in, sliced through three defenders but AV poked and deflected


It was a nice poke check by Vasilevskiy, but it was only made possible because Makar was egregiously hooked on the way in by McDonagh. I stand by my "let them play" position, but that almost always gets called. In every era, not just today's standards.

goaltending, eh, thought it evened out, more or less  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 9:01 am : link
For sure Kuemper Rutta's slapper, deflected off side of his chest and inside his glove arm, needs to make that save, clear view and Rutta with the wind up and slapper, so no surprise when it was coming.

But come on! Both goals allowed by AV were shaky, at best: Nichushkin goal, puck flipped up in the air off AV's glove (great production pick up by ABC and Boucher showing it deflected off Hedmann's (?) glove on way to net) and AV had zero clue where it was, even after it dropped inside the crease for the easy sitter. I don't watch TBL in-season except when they play NYR, but I've never seen him so disoriented, lost, on a puck he has initially played.

2nd goal, maybe off Cernak's skate, it's under AV's body, and it looks like he may have nudged it over the goal line as he attempted to smother it.
RE: goaltending, eh, thought it evened out, more or less  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 9:17 am : link
In comment 15741033 ColHowPepper said:
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For sure Kuemper Rutta's slapper, deflected off side of his chest and inside his glove arm, needs to make that save, clear view and Rutta with the wind up and slapper, so no surprise when it was coming.

But come on! Both goals allowed by AV were shaky, at best: Nichushkin goal, puck flipped up in the air off AV's glove (great production pick up by ABC and Boucher showing it deflected off Hedmann's (?) glove on way to net) and AV had zero clue where it was, even after it dropped inside the crease for the easy sitter. I don't watch TBL in-season except when they play NYR, but I've never seen him so disoriented, lost, on a puck he has initially played.

2nd goal, maybe off Cernak's skate, it's under AV's body, and it looks like he may have nudged it over the goal line as he attempted to smother it.


CHP, I completely defer to you on this topic, but I view any goal that gets tipped or deflected as not soft. I'd like the goalie to save it, but to me those types of goals I always view squarely in the category of "puck luck" and while I do maintain you can make your own luck to an extent you do need the "luck" part.

Am I wrong on that? Are there some tips or defections that goalies should be expected to save?
RE: Orr like there  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 9:19 am : link
In comment 15741030 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15740930 ColHowPepper said:
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as Makar swooped in, sliced through three defenders but AV poked and deflected/////

It was a nice poke check by Vasilevskiy, but it was only made possible because Makar was egregiously hooked on the way in by McDonagh. I stand by my "let them play" position, but that almost always gets called. In every era, not just today's standards.

pj busy in the film room this morning (:

And a question on what in soccer is called 'play on', or allowing the advantage. Assuming you're right, and it sure looks like either or both McDonagh or Sergachev (?) hooked him: but Makar breaks through both, continues on net, maneuvers and takes his shot, which AV deflected. In soccer, except in certain situations (DOGSOs), to which this could be analogous also, the foul(s) is trumped by virtue of the fact that the attacking player has overcome them and it's preferable, in the subjective judgment of the ref, to allow play to continue because the advantage the player has created for himself is preferable in terms of team's advantage to calling the penalty/foul.

Can--can--it be analogous on ice?
DOGSO would be analogous to a player on a clear breakaway  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 9:24 am : link
who is pulled down from behind, giving rise to penalty shot. I'm fuzzy on this, but have there been situations where the player is hooked from behind but nevertheless shrugs it off, continues on net, shoots and misses or is saved?

And the penalty shot is not awarded? That would be the clearest example.
lol, film room - maybe  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 9:24 am : link
CHP, and maybe that's how the refs saw it, but that usually gets called regardless of result and while Makar fought through the hook, he lost the puck enough to allow the poke check.

You can't see the puck here, but the hook caused Makar's stick to go back away from the puck and gave (IMO) Vasilevskiy the opportunity for the poke check because by the time he got the puck on his stick he was too close, if not, pretty sure Makar beats him high glove side.

RE: DOGSO would be analogous to a player on a clear breakaway  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 9:27 am : link
In comment 15741040 ColHowPepper said:
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who is pulled down from behind, giving rise to penalty shot. I'm fuzzy on this, but have there been situations where the player is hooked from behind but nevertheless shrugs it off, continues on net, shoots and misses or is saved?

And the penalty shot is not awarded? That would be the clearest example.


But a penalty is called regardless (if there is an infraction) by rule a penalty shot is called (usually) if the penalty stops the player from getting off a shot.

that is usually the determinant between penalty or penalty shot, if the player gets a shot off it's usually a penalty, if not it's a penalty shot, but either way unless the player scores a goal a penalty is called.
RE: RE: goaltending, eh, thought it evened out, more or less  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15741037 pjcas18 said:
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...I view any goal that gets tipped or deflected as not soft. I'd like the goalie to save it, but to me those types of goals I always view squarely in the category of "puck luck" and while I do maintain you can make your own luck to an extent you do need the "luck" part.

Am I wrong on that? Are there some tips or defections that goalies should be expected to save?

I wouldn't say you are off (and your deference is very overblown (<: ) at all, but I think it's more shades of gray, and a lot of it is instinct. I think Vas was off last night, not only on goal scoring plays. And as much as the Big Cat benefits from his big body, it also takes longer for that big body to position itself to ward off danger; so, for example, Igor's body leaves more openings vis à vis the 4 x 6 because he's smaller, but I would say he's quicker, more precise by where he flops or tries to cover or smother. I just thought Makar's shot leading to Nichushkin's goal, the puck flipped high came down and settled, puck luck for sure on the way in, but I thought there was a window of reaction time whereby Vas, had he been able to track it better after he (mis)played it, could have been a save.

Maybe you can show a sequence on Makar's shot, because I'm going from memory last night.
RE: lol, film room - maybe  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 9:43 am : link
In comment 15741041 pjcas18 said:
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You can't see the puck here, but the hook caused Makar's stick to go back away from the puck and gave (IMO) Vasilevskiy the opportunity for the poke check because by the time he got the puck on his stick he was too close, if not, pretty sure Makar beats him high glove side.

Yeah, not a stretch at all to see that the hooking altered Makar's angle of and distance to SOG.
Oh, the first goal  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 9:45 am : link
yeah, no clue what AV was doing on that one, I couldn't tell if the puck was knuckling or something, but he definitely misplayed it.

still saved it, but he left the rebound sitting on the door step. You may be able to make out the puck on here, I don't even think it was tipped up high, I think AV just lost it.

^  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 10:17 am : link
Keepers aside, interesting in that screen grab is you see all 6 Bolts and 4 Avs, Nichushkin nowhere to be seen, evidently completely unchecked and must be lurking just off screen low on the right circle.
RE: ^  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 10:18 am : link
In comment 15741071 ColHowPepper said:
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Keepers aside, interesting in that screen grab is you see all 6 Bolts and 4 Avs, Nichushkin nowhere to be seen, evidently completely unchecked and must be lurking just off screen low on the right circle.


exactly, such a smart play, some people have tendency to clog the net front, other plays position themself for a rebound, Nichushkin chose wisely on this play and Paul thought he was doing the right thing by helping in front, but basically he's covering no one.
PJ  
Jay on the Island : 6/25/2022 12:42 pm : link
If you were the Devils GM who would you take at 2? Wright will be the #1 pick in all likelihood so would you go for Slafkovsky or Cooley at 2? I keep going back and forth.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15741117 Jay on the Island said:
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If you were the Devils GM who would you take at 2? Wright will be the #1 pick in all likelihood so would you go for Slafkovsky or Cooley at 2? I keep going back and forth.


I read they're shopping #2 for a young established player, and I think that's smart. If not despite the allure of Slafkovsky, I think Cooley is a sure fire 1C/2C two-way player so I think I'd go with him.

To me, Slafkovsky is boom or bust, boom you're going to regret it for a decade if you pass on him, bust you will count your blessings (obvious?).

#2 more pressure around Slafkovsky than #1 IMO because if you take Wright I think he has a pretty high floor if you know what I mean.


Seems like a foregone  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 1:49 pm : link
conclusion Tyson Barrie will be traded.

consistent 45+pt player RD.

will impact Petry market IMO.

I think Petry is more well-rounded but would take either in my top 4 for the right price. Barrie should cost more in trade comp, Petry costs more in cap space.

Barrie (31 years old) two more years @4.5M
Petry (34 years old) three more years @6.25M
holy shit  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 3:46 pm : link
this is real.

36 year old Alexander Ovechkin makes his soccer debut for FC Dynamo Moscow.....and scores a goal.

the first goal (and eventual GW in a 5 - 0 win)

I thought this was a video game when I first came across it on twitter.
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jeeezz  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2022 4:01 pm : link
and he looks like nothing so much as a somewhat out of shape weekend warrior. Crazy
RE: RE: PJ  
Stu11 : 6/25/2022 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15741136 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15741117 Jay on the Island said:


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If you were the Devils GM who would you take at 2? Wright will be the #1 pick in all likelihood so would you go for Slafkovsky or Cooley at 2? I keep going back and forth.



I read they're shopping #2 for a young established player, and I think that's smart. If not despite the allure of Slafkovsky, I think Cooley is a sure fire 1C/2C two-way player so I think I'd go with him.

To me, Slafkovsky is boom or bust, boom you're going to regret it for a decade if you pass on him, bust you will count your blessings (obvious?).

#2 more pressure around Slafkovsky than #1 IMO because if you take Wright I think he has a pretty high floor if you know what I mean.


Yeah the more I read analysis from people who have been doing deep analytical dives analyzing the NHL draft for a decade, it's talking me out of Slaf. His advanced metrics really are not great at all. That having been said at age 18 you can't over analyze that stuff especially with the way he's played in the 2 recent tournaments playing with men and apparently he had a very good playoff for his league team as well. Maybe the light went on the last 6 months? Increasingly I'm gravitating towards pushing hard to trade the pick in a deal for DeBrincat or maybe Pasta if they are truly available. If not trading it I'd seriously consider Cooley there or maybe even Nemec. It sure would be nice to have a potential top pairing of him and Luke Hughes for a decade.
Pierre-Luc  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 8:27 pm : link
Dubois tells WIN he plans to test FA in 2024, maybe signifying they move him now (as an RFA).

Not the best on the dots, but there is your 2C (or even 1C depending on linemates) if you're a team who can somehow wrestle him away from WIN and extend him.
JT Miller and Brock Boeser  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2022 8:30 pm : link
both rumored to be being shopped at the draft.

No idea what on Miller or really Boeser for that matter.
Really looking forward to tonight, redux  
ColHowPepper : 6/26/2022 5:32 pm : link
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Really looking forward to tonight
ColHowPepper : 6/20/2022 2:37 pm : link : reply
- not only is it possibly the penultimate game of the '21 - '22 season, after which we have to wait ~4 months before bullets start flying, but

- am intrigued by whether Cooper can find some answers, because the first two games didn't seem to offer up many: three pair that look overmatched and the forward lines that have looked NYR like in ineptitude in some of their games vs PIT, CAR, and TBL....


Well, Cooper and his troops did that and more. After Friday night's barn burner, if TB at home can string a win back to back, this Series has the makings of a classic.
COL bench coach needs to put his big boy pants on.
Kucherov outstanding  
ColHowPepper : 6/26/2022 8:35 pm : link
early on
Bolts forecheck is outstanding  
Rick in Dallas : 6/26/2022 8:41 pm : link
They are hitting Makar every chance they can when he is on the ice
Good point  
ColHowPepper : 6/26/2022 8:51 pm : link
similar to how Cooper targeted Fox
Makar seems beat up a bit  
Rick in Dallas : 6/26/2022 9:11 pm : link
I think he get nicked up in the third period last game and it has carried over to this game. Doesn’t seem to have his normal speed and burst in the first period,
Something to keep an eye on ad game progresses
Give Bolts credit for making in game changes
They are playing for keeps  
ColHowPepper : 6/26/2022 9:28 pm : link
this period, no banking on Annie tomorrows

Crew was clueless, but what an interesting issue, of I have it right argument was that with TB touch it should have been call of penalty before McK goal
......  
Route 9 : 6/26/2022 10:52 pm : link
Maybe my phone fucked-up or something but why the hell was that icing waved off?
Cup Game 6  
Percy : 6/26/2022 10:56 pm : link
Better team won the Cup. Guess that's how it's supposed to be.
Congrats Avs, well deserved  
Stu11 : 6/26/2022 11:09 pm : link
Now on to the Devils time of year:the off season! 🤣😂
......  
Route 9 : 6/26/2022 11:33 pm : link
Seems like this is usually how a final game in the Stanley Cup winds up going.

Team (usually home) is down one goal and scrounging and they never tie it. Oh well.

Good series.
......  
Route 9 : 6/26/2022 11:34 pm : link
Or game 7 is some non-intense blowout game (2011 Bruins/Canucks, 2019 Blues/Bruins)
Good game  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 8:21 am : link
decent series, not great.

I will admit Kuemper was not the Achilles heel I thought he would be, I don't think he was playoff Tim Thomas, and he let in some soft goals, but he did not doom his team like I thought he would.

And I think the reason is the Avs team speed forced TB to play a little differently and not force shots and pressure in the o-zone, the TB D are not fast, and they got exposed early in the series and couldn't play their game.

Hats off to COL and Makar on the Conn Smythe.

I think he's the only player ever to win Hobey Baker, Calder and Conn Smythe. And he's 23 years old.

RE: Good game  
rnargi : 6/27/2022 9:03 am : link
In comment 15741824 pjcas18 said:
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decent series, not great.

I will admit Kuemper was not the Achilles heel I thought he would be, I don't think he was playoff Tim Thomas, and he let in some soft goals, but he did not doom his team like I thought he would.

And I think the reason is the Avs team speed forced TB to play a little differently and not force shots and pressure in the o-zone, the TB D are not fast, and they got exposed early in the series and couldn't play their game.

Hats off to COL and Makar on the Conn Smythe.

I think he's the only player ever to win Hobey Baker, Calder and Conn Smythe. And he's 23 years old.


Same thoughts...not a great series, but a good one. I never really paid attention to MacKinnen's game before. Holy shit he's quick and talented.
In the salary cap world we live in  
Maryland Blows : 6/27/2022 10:08 am : link
The Islanders 19 series wins in a row looks to be more and more impossible to beat. Tampa was able to circumvent it last year to win its 2nd Cup. The expansion draft and FA they were unable to keep the team together. I find it funny though that Cooper and his Captain were bitching about too many men on the ice and penalties this entire series. Yet, the only reason they made it to the Finals last year was a goal they scored with too many men on the ice. The better team won the Cup. On to the draft, FA and the off season moves.
Wonder if Leetch would have won the Hobey Baker  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2022 10:19 am : link
Had he played more than one year of college hockey
RE: Wonder if Leetch would have won the Hobey Baker  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 10:57 am : link
In comment 15741872 Greg from LI said:
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Had he played more than one year of college hockey


Very possible, a goalie, the first goalie to win the award, won in what would have been Leetch's sophomore year.

Had to look it up, and it was Robb Stauber?  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2022 11:04 am : link
heh....not a goalie I would have guessed.

Anyway, seems like Chris Drury is the only other Hobey Baker winner to win a Calder, and there is no other Hobey Baker winner to win the Conn Smythe.
i slept well last night  
djm : 6/27/2022 11:53 am : link
knowing that all those tampa fans finally reeled in some misery. Hopefully it lasts 10-20 years or more.

Now we have to hope the Avs get really fat this summer and fall.
Congrats to the Avs  
NYerInMA : 6/27/2022 1:21 pm : link
Glad Tampa didn't get the threepeat. On to 2022-23. LGR!
TB didnt come close to the Islanders run  
Snablats : 6/27/2022 1:29 pm : link
19 straight series wins vs bogus seasons and playoff runs in 2020 and 2021 for Tampa

So it seems Winnipeg is the one stop shop for the 2C the Rangers need, with both Scheifele and Dubois possibly available

Interesting article I came across about Bryce Salvador  
Stu11 : 6/27/2022 1:57 pm : link
And his future ambitions in the front office. He does great work between the boards on the Devs' telecasts. Interesting I know Jay and I have mentioned we think he'd do a great job coaching the D. Turns out he has no coaching ambitions at all. He loves doing the TV, but would also love to do FO work in scouting and player development. He doesn't want to be a GM. He said he'd love to carve out a dual TV/FO role.
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Trotz  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 2:25 pm : link
taking a year off from coaching. Smart, I guess. Not sure if getting a new contract would let NYI off the hook or if he would double dip, but this now lets him get paid $4M for doing nothing and then pick his spot next year if he wants.

Fire Cassidy and extend Sweeney,  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 3:26 pm : link
not sure I get that one.

Amalie Benjamin
@AmalieBenjamin
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The Bruins announce that Don Sweeney’s contract is done. He has been signed to a multi-year deal.
Hockey Hall of Fame inductees announced today  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 3:52 pm : link
as players:
The Sedin's, Daniel Alfredsson and and Robert Luongo all elected.

Along with some people I never heard of.

Three players from those Canucks teams.

I wonder how many from the Bruins team who beat them make it (Bergeron, Chara, maybe Marchand).
*  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 3:53 pm : link
*Roberto*, not Robert
Cassidy  
ColHowPepper : 6/27/2022 4:57 pm : link
Must be some wonky stuff that metastasized between Cassidy and Sweeney or others over the course of the season, cuz team performance over the years and under conditions this year would not seem to warrant
RE: Cassidy  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15742200 ColHowPepper said:
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Must be some wonky stuff that metastasized between Cassidy and Sweeney or others over the course of the season, cuz team performance over the years and under conditions this year would not seem to warrant


I just assumed Neely is running the show, and Jacobs ordered it's Cassidy or Sweeney and Sweeney is his buddy.
RE: RE: RE: PJ  
Jay on the Island : 6/27/2022 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15741241 Stu11 said:
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Yeah the more I read analysis from people who have been doing deep analytical dives analyzing the NHL draft for a decade, it's talking me out of Slaf. His advanced metrics really are not great at all. That having been said at age 18 you can't over analyze that stuff especially with the way he's played in the 2 recent tournaments playing with men and apparently he had a very good playoff for his league team as well. Maybe the light went on the last 6 months? Increasingly I'm gravitating towards pushing hard to trade the pick in a deal for DeBrincat or maybe Pasta if they are truly available. If not trading it I'd seriously consider Cooley there or maybe even Nemec. It sure would be nice to have a potential top pairing of him and Luke Hughes for a decade.

Same here re: Slakovsky. I think he will be the pick at 2 but I really would prefer Cooley as I feel that he is a much safer prospect. Hell I would love to trade down to 4 or 5 to land Nemec while another team gambles on Slafkovskty.

IMO the Devils will not be picking this high again for a while so they need to hit with this pick. Slaf has a higher upside but I think Cooley is going to be an excellent player for the Devils.

As for trading the pick I would support if it didn't require them to hand out another massive contract to the player they acquire. The Devils have cap space now but they need to sign Bratt long term this offseason and he will certainly get $6.5-7.5 million per season to go along with Hischier, Hughes, and Hamilton's contracts. Plus Sharangovich, Severson, Siegenthaler, Graves, and Mercer in the next 1-3 years. Plus if Luke Hughes and Alexander Holtz are as good as expected they will be expensive in the near future.
RE: Interesting article I came across about Bryce Salvador  
Jay on the Island : 6/27/2022 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15742055 Stu11 said:
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And his future ambitions in the front office. He does great work between the boards on the Devs' telecasts. Interesting I know Jay and I have mentioned we think he'd do a great job coaching the D. Turns out he has no coaching ambitions at all. He loves doing the TV, but would also love to do FO work in scouting and player development. He doesn't want to be a GM. He said he'd love to carve out a dual TV/FO role. Link - ( New Window )

Salvador would make a great coach. Too bad that he doesn't want to work behind the bench.
RE: Hockey Hall of Fame inductees announced today  
Stu11 : 6/27/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15742132 pjcas18 said:
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as players:
The Sedin's, Daniel Alfredsson and and Robert Luongo all elected.

Along with some people I never heard of.

Three players from those Canucks teams.

I wonder how many from the Bruins team who beat them make it (Bergeron, Chara, maybe Marchand).

Ok. I've been pretty nice and quiet about Patrick Elias being kept out. However this class is simply ridiculous. The Second absolutely no problem. I'd be fine with Alfie making it, but how do you put him in and leave Elias out? Elias was the best fwds for the Devils just about his whole career, won 2 cups, played in 4 finals, their scoring and games played were in the same ballpark. Elias also had 125 points in the playoffs.
Don't get me started on Luongo. Are you fucking kidding me? Who's going in next? Cory Schneider?
RE: RE: Hockey Hall of Fame inductees announced today  
Stu11 : 6/27/2022 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15742370 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15742132 pjcas18 said:


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as players:
The Sedin's, Daniel Alfredsson and and Robert Luongo all elected.

Along with some people I never heard of.

Three players from those Canucks teams.

I wonder how many from the Bruins team who beat them make it (Bergeron, Chara, maybe Marchand).


Ok. I've been pretty nice and quiet about Patrick Elias being kept out. However this class is simply ridiculous. The Second absolutely no problem. I'd be fine with Alfie making it, but how do you put him in and leave Elias out? Elias was the best fwds for the Devils just about his whole career, won 2 cups, played in 4 finals, their scoring and games played were in the same ballpark. Elias also had 125 points in the playoffs.
Don't get me started on Luongo. Are you fucking kidding me? Who's going in next? Cory Schneider?

Meant to say the Sedins making it no problem.
I think the Sedins  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2022 11:28 pm : link
and Alfredsson getting in before Mogilny is worse than Elias.

RE: I think the Sedins  
Stu11 : 6/27/2022 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15742474 pjcas18 said:
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and Alfredsson getting in before Mogilny is worse than Elias.

Agreed. Mogilny's stats alone put him there, but the importance of his legacy, having been the first Soviet to have the guts to defect as a teen is even more important. I'm sorry this class is a bad joke.
Some key dates coming up:  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2022 8:24 am : link
July 1: First buyout period opens

July 7: NHL Draft 1st round

July 8: Rounds 2 - 7 of NHL Draft

July 13: Free agency opens

August 9 - 20: World Juniors rescheduled for Edmonton - this was the tournament scheduled in December that got shut down for COVID, it's a huge draft event, so I'm not sure what the attendance will be like. Any player on the prior roster can play, just not sure how many will with the draft already having happened and camps just around the corner

Heard Devils  
five5 : 6/28/2022 11:21 am : link
have significant interest in John Gibson.
One player  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2022 11:53 am : link
teams who need a C should be looking at is Christian Dvorak in MTL.

26 years old, good on the dots, defensively responsible, can play SH and in a pinch PP, with some scoring punch. Under contract the next 3 years @ a fair $4.45M.

more a 40-50pt player than an 80, but with the right linemates can be a 2C.

Mmmmmmhmmmmmmm  
Anakim : 6/28/2022 6:50 pm : link
Shawn Hutcheon
@ShawnHutcheon
According to sources close to the situation, David Quinn is the leading candidate to be the next head coach of the Boston Bruins.
RE: One player  
Snablats : 6/28/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15742698 pjcas18 said:
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teams who need a C should be looking at is Christian Dvorak in MTL.

26 years old, good on the dots, defensively responsible, can play SH and in a pinch PP, with some scoring punch. Under contract the next 3 years @ a fair $4.45M.

more a 40-50pt player than an 80, but with the right linemates can be a 2C.

He isnt a 2C. The Rangers need a real 2C
RE: RE: One player  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2022 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15743168 Snablats said:
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In comment 15742698 pjcas18 said:


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teams who need a C should be looking at is Christian Dvorak in MTL.

26 years old, good on the dots, defensively responsible, can play SH and in a pinch PP, with some scoring punch. Under contract the next 3 years @ a fair $4.45M.

more a 40-50pt player than an 80, but with the right linemates can be a 2C.



He isnt a 2C. The Rangers need a real 2C


This isn't a Rangers thread, I said teams who need a C in general.

And who is a 2C? How many 2C's are better than Dvorak and for the price?

Not many.

Tavares? Point/Stamkos? Pettersson? Draisaitl when he's not on a line with McDavid?

The Avs won a cup with Kadri or Compher as their 2C.

Look up Kadri's 25/26 year old stats and tell me how he's better than Dvorak.

The Panthers won the East with Sam Bennett as their 2C. Which areas is Bennett better than Dvorak.

You can do a lot worse than Dvorak as your 2C (and I include Strome in that worse than Dvorak category).
A guy who has never scored more than 38pts in a season  
Snablats : 6/28/2022 8:44 pm : link
thats who you claim is a 2C
RE: A guy who has never scored more than 38pts in a season  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2022 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15743181 Snablats said:
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thats who you claim is a 2C


Yes.
LOL I just found this article from a couple years ago  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2022 9:01 pm : link
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Potential NY Rangers Trade Target: Christian Dvorak


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As the quest to bolster the center depth continues, an interesting scenario emerged in Arizona. Fresh off sanctions, there are rumblings that the Coyotes might look to blow things up and start over. The Coyotes got into trouble with a few bad bets on their RFAs, hamstringing them from a cap perspective. While there are some bad contracts, Christian Dvorak has a good one, and he might be a good fit for the Rangers.
Solid, Young, and Cost Controlled

Dvorak, the Yotes 2C at the moment, put up 18-20-38 in 70 games last season. He’s been a consistent 40-point pace player since entering the league. The 24 year old center has another five years left on his deal with a cap hit of $4.45 million.......Right off the bat, we see that Dvorak really helped drive offense with the Coyotes this year. This is evidence that Dvorak is a play driver and not a passenger. He is more than just his offensive line, which is important. The Rangers have goal scorers, but they need play drivers. Dvorak does just that.

He’s also far from a liability in his own end. His defensive play isn’t going to wow you, but he gets the job done. He’s a much better option defensively than most of the current centers on the Rangers roster. The two-way play would be a welcomed addition down the middle.


and they suggest pairing him with Panarin.


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Thats not an article  
Snablats : 6/28/2022 9:27 pm : link
its a fan blog post

The Rangers need a proven guy, not someone making 4.3 whom you hope can raise his game



RE: Thats not an article  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15743192 Snablats said:
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its a fan blog post

The Rangers need a proven guy, not someone making 4.3 whom you hope can raise his game




k
Lovely  
Anakim : 6/29/2022 11:39 am : link
And Kakko is trending on Twitter because there are rumors that the Rangers are interested in trading for RFA Pierre-Luc Dubois
Dubois  
five5 : 6/29/2022 12:06 pm : link
would be a terrific addition. It will take slot more than Kakko to get a deal done.
PLD  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2022 12:14 pm : link
said he's going to test FA.

Unless the NYR are sure they can extend him, that a dicey gamble and would be a costly one (in prospects) and probably a $6M min cap hit for the one year.
Plus, as talented as he is  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2022 12:18 pm : link
PLD has pushed his way out of two organizations now. Seems like something of a malcontent, frankly.

Also not sure the Rangers could afford to sign him even if they wanted to.
confirmed  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2022 12:38 pm : link
NRD
@NHLRumorsDaily
#NYR have been in talks with WPG for Pierre-Luc Dubois per RDS. Interesting.
NYR  
five5 : 6/29/2022 12:47 pm : link
wouldn’t make a deal if they didn’t have every intention to sign him. Don’t care what the cost is (lol)…guy is going to be a star in this league
Dubois does not help the faceoff issues  
Snablats : 6/29/2022 1:07 pm : link
But he is much younger than Scheifele
woah  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2022 4:37 pm : link
Michael Russo
@RussoHockey
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According to sources, the #mnwild have traded the rights to pending restricted free agent Kevin Fiala to the #lakings for their 2022 first-round pick and University of Minnesota captain Brock Faber
This is the floor  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2022 4:50 pm : link
(absolute floor) for a PLD deal.

a top prospect + a 1st round pick.

Fiala is an RFA and can be a UFA after the season.
RE: This is the floor  
Jay on the Island : 6/29/2022 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15743912 pjcas18 said:
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(absolute floor) for a PLD deal.

a top prospect + a 1st round pick.

Fiala is an RFA and can be a UFA after the season.

Fiala signed a 7 year contract with a $7.9 AAV with the Kings. He's a good player but I am very happy that the Devils did not acquire him at that price. If he can repeat the year he just had then he will be worth it but I think he will perform more at his previous levels in the 50 point range.
Yeah you figured  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2022 5:48 pm : link
there would be an extension, no one is trading Faber (future top 4 D) and a 1st for a rental, and I do like Fiala, but I'd also have passed if I were NJD.
RE: RE: This is the floor  
Stu11 : 6/29/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15743979 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15743912 pjcas18 said:


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(absolute floor) for a PLD deal.

a top prospect + a 1st round pick.

Fiala is an RFA and can be a UFA after the season.


Fiala signed a 7 year contract with a $7.9 AAV with the Kings. He's a good player but I am very happy that the Devils did not acquire him at that price. If he can repeat the year he just had then he will be worth it but I think he will perform more at his previous levels in the 50 point range.

Wow did the Devil's dodge a bullet there. Not that I was ever that into getting him. You have to be careful evaluating guys who had big point spikes this year. Scoring went through the roof this year. I don't mind the Devils spending for an elite fwd like DeBrincat or Pasta or Johnny Hockey as a UFA. However 8 mill a year for a talent like Fiala just isn't good use of our space right now.
Brayden Point  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2022 7:36 pm : link
played with a torn quad two games in the SCF. He was injured vs Toronto in the first round.

holy shit that had to be painful.
RE: Brayden Point  
Jay on the Island : 6/29/2022 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15744107 pjcas18 said:
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played with a torn quad two games in the SCF. He was injured vs Toronto in the first round.

holy shit that had to be painful.

More proof that hockey players are the toughest athletes in sports.
RE: RE: RE: This is the floor  
Jay on the Island : 6/29/2022 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15744090 Stu11 said:
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Wow did the Devil's dodge a bullet there. Not that I was ever that into getting him. You have to be careful evaluating guys who had big point spikes this year. Scoring went through the roof this year. I don't mind the Devils spending for an elite fwd like DeBrincat or Pasta or Johnny Hockey as a UFA. However 8 mill a year for a talent like Fiala just isn't good use of our space right now.

I agree, those 3 are the only three I would be willing to sign for market value and I would add Tkachuk to that list obviously if the Flames re-sign Gaudreau and have to move Tkachuk but I don’t see a chance in hell of that happening.

I don't think they move Tkachuk  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 7:53 am : link
but looks like they are close to re-signing Johnny.

Alex Russo
@arusso_9
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Hearing that CAL and Johnny Gaudreau are closing in on a 8 year extension. Will avoid testing the market
I'd rather have Matthew Tkachuk  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 7:55 am : link
than Gaudreau.

There are maybe two or three players I'd put above Tkachuk right now.

McDavid, Makar, and then your splitting hairs with anyone ranked above Tkachuk.
Tkachuk  
five5 : 6/30/2022 8:36 am : link
is a really nice player.

PJ…u forgot MacKinnon (who is significantly better)…lol. Also, Tkachuk playing with JG helps his cause a great deal.
MacKinnon  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 8:58 am : link
is awesome, as is Barkov, and Huberdeau and Draisaitl - and of course JG and Tkachuk benefit from playing with each other just like McDavid and Draisaitl and Huberdeau and Barkov, etc.

but there are not many players left in the NHL who can put up 100 points and is willing (and able) to drop the gloves. Tkachuk is a unique player. He enabled Gaudreau to be Gaudreau IMO. Along with the goon squad in CAL.
RE: I'd rather have Matthew Tkachuk  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15744269 pjcas18 said:
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than Gaudreau.


I agree, Tkachuk is one of the few players I would be willing to move the 2nd overall pick for but again the Flames would never go for it. I would be willing to surrender the #2 overall pick, Alexander Holtz, and a couple of 2nd round picks for Tkachuk.
RE: RE: I'd rather have Matthew Tkachuk  
ColHowPepper : 6/30/2022 10:52 am : link
In comment 15744358 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15744269 pjcas18 said: Quote:
than Gaudreau./////////

I agree, Tkachuk is one of the few players I would be willing to move the 2nd overall pick for but again the Flames would never go for it. I would be willing to surrender the #2 overall pick, Alexander Holtz, and a couple of 2nd round picks for Tkachuk.

What do I know? Nada. But Jay, I don't think that would get it done.
RE: RE: RE: I'd rather have Matthew Tkachuk  
Jay on the Island : 6/30/2022 11:01 am : link
In comment 15744395 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15744358 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 15744269 pjcas18 said: Quote:
than Gaudreau./////////

I agree, Tkachuk is one of the few players I would be willing to move the 2nd overall pick for but again the Flames would never go for it. I would be willing to surrender the #2 overall pick, Alexander Holtz, and a couple of 2nd round picks for Tkachuk.


What do I know? Nada. But Jay, I don't think that would get it done.

It wouldn't get it done.
Tkachuk  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 11:16 am : link
is an RFA so consider at a minimum they QO him at 10M.

In order to sign him to an offer sheet you would need to pay 4 first round picks if he accepts it.

I think in a trade, your starting point is 2 or probably 3 1sts and a young player and maybe a veteran player.
Friedman  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 3:06 pm : link
says TBL may need to trade McDonagh.

Elliotte Friedman
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TB has some tough choices to make. It's not what they want to do, but what they might have to do


from his 32 thoughts column.....

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According to multiple sources, the Lightning are working with Ryan McDonagh to see if there’s another team he’d consider a trade to. It’s a very, very hard thing for Tampa to think about. McDonagh’s still a tremendous player (he was on the ice for the last shift to preserve the team’s Game 5 victory in Denver that prolonged the Stanley Cup Final) and is hugely popular among his teammates, who were disappointed to hear of the possibility. It’s not what Tampa wants to do, but may have to do.

McDonagh has four seasons remaining on a cap hit of $6.75M, with a full no-trade clause. So he controls his destiny. We will see where it goes, but there are conversations about the future.

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RE: Friedman  
Snablats : 6/30/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15744765 pjcas18 said:
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says TBL may need to trade McDonagh.

Elliotte Friedman
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TB has some tough choices to make. It's not what they want to do, but what they might have to do


from his 32 thoughts column.....



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According to multiple sources, the Lightning are working with Ryan McDonagh to see if there’s another team he’d consider a trade to. It’s a very, very hard thing for Tampa to think about. McDonagh’s still a tremendous player (he was on the ice for the last shift to preserve the team’s Game 5 victory in Denver that prolonged the Stanley Cup Final) and is hugely popular among his teammates, who were disappointed to hear of the possibility. It’s not what Tampa wants to do, but may have to do.

McDonagh has four seasons remaining on a cap hit of $6.75M, with a full no-trade clause. So he controls his destiny. We will see where it goes, but there are conversations about the future.

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He is what the Rangers need defensively, a top LD. But Tampa would have to retain salary, and he is 33
From Staple in the Athletic 30 minutes ago  
Snablats : 6/30/2022 6:33 pm : link
"Two league sources told The Athletic that Chytil has been the most talked-about Ranger in Drury’s various trade conversations and that the Rangers are willing to lose Chytil in order to acquire an older, more established top-six center."

"The sources said that Chytil and Kakko could potentially wind up in a deal, though it’s certain Drury would only package them both for the likes of Scheifele or Larkin, and it’s not known if the Rangers and Red Wings have spoken about the Detroit captain, who has one season left at a $6.1 million AAV before hitting unrestricted free agency."

"Shedding Chytil and Kakko, both of whom would need new deals in the next year or two, could be a wash against the salary cap. And the Rangers may see a clearer path for Will Cuylle and Brennan Othmann in the top nine with Chytil and Kakko gone"

Sure sounds like everything I said they should do, trade for the 2C and move Chytil and Kakko to free up the cap space
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2C  
five5 : 6/30/2022 6:42 pm : link
Would move Kakko in a heartbeat. Not sure about Chytil. Would be very careful about that
Never lived up to the hype  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 8:54 pm : link
but could be a late bloomer/change of scenery guy.

Sportsnet
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Oilers winger Jesse Puljujarvi is once again seeking an exit from Edmonton. This time, the club appears willing to oblige the former fourth-overall pick with a trade.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 9:12 pm : link
Kevin Weekes
@KevinWeekes
**Keep an eye 👁 on ** While there is no concrete signed deal, sources tell me Rick Tocchet is the leading candidate at present time for the HC of the @NHLJets
. The situation remains fluid, but I’m told it’s Tocchet’s decision to make . @espn
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an example  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 9:20 pm : link
of just how wrong sometimes scouts can be lol. Someone re-tweeted this today and the guy then went and deleted the original. but, as they say, the internet is forever...

this guy was a paid scout. In fairness, Strome went #3 overall so it's not like he was a late round pick, but how do you miss this bad as a professional? maybe explains his short career as a scout.

actually  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 9:23 pm : link
my bad, the internet wins again, that was a fake/photo shop.

lol.
Turns out the Quinn leak was not true or fell apart  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2022 10:32 pm : link
Jim Montgomery is the guy in BOS.

Murls
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Hearing Jim Montgomery is the next coach of the Boston Bruins. Absolute unreal hire!!! #insider @NHLBruins @marinakmaher @FeitsBarstool @spittinchiclets @BizNasty2point0 @ryanwhitney6
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pjcas18 : 7/1/2022 8:46 am : link
Elliotte Friedman
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Not sure what’s happening with GM search in SJ, but it appears that the Sharks have made a coaching change. Word late last night was Bob Boughner was informed he will not be returning.
And apparently Drury is very interested in Name Kadri  
Anakim : 7/1/2022 12:52 pm : link
Who would be a fantastic fit, but again, where is this money coming from?
If the Rangers go the route of "better than Copp/Strome"  
Snablats : 7/1/2022 1:22 pm : link
then, as I've said for a month, the money comes from trading Chytil and/or Kakko

And Staple's article I posted yesterday says they are looking into that very scenario
PJ Have you seen this  
Jay on the Island : 7/1/2022 1:23 pm : link
Pierre LeBrun: “There are some who believe that Montreal is waiting to see if the Devils make a move closer to the first round in terms of picking up the phone and asking Montreal what it would take to flip the No.1 and No. 2 picks so that the Devils can make sure they can get their hands on winger Juraj Slafkovsky. But the Devils are telling people ‘if a centre is the best player available in our eyes, we have no problem with taking another centre,’ even though the Devils have Jack Hughes and Nico Hischier.” [TSN]

Corey Pronman with an interesting pick for the Devils here in this mock draft. “If Slafkovsky goes No. 1, it opens up the possibilities. League sources seem somewhat skeptical they will take Wright, or at least they don’t view this as the likeliest scenario.”
RE: One player  
Will Shine : 7/1/2022 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15742698 pjcas18 said:
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teams who need a C should be looking at is Christian Dvorak in MTL.

26 years old, good on the dots, defensively responsible, can play SH and in a pinch PP, with some scoring punch. Under contract the next 3 years @ a fair $4.45M.

more a 40-50pt player than an 80, but with the right linemates can be a 2C.


well Gorton has deep knowledge on most of the Rangers prospects.
RE: From Staple in the Athletic 30 minutes ago  
Will Shine : 7/1/2022 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15745123 Snablats said:
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"Two league sources told The Athletic that Chytil has been the most talked-about Ranger in Drury’s various trade conversations and that the Rangers are willing to lose Chytil in order to acquire an older, more established top-six center."

"The sources said that Chytil and Kakko could potentially wind up in a deal, though it’s certain Drury would only package them both for the likes of Scheifele or Larkin, and it’s not known if the Rangers and Red Wings have spoken about the Detroit captain, who has one season left at a $6.1 million AAV before hitting unrestricted free agency."

"Shedding Chytil and Kakko, both of whom would need new deals in the next year or two, could be a wash against the salary cap. And the Rangers may see a clearer path for Will Cuylle and Brennan Othmann in the top nine with Chytil and Kakko gone"

Sure sounds like everything I said they should do, trade for the 2C and move Chytil and Kakko to free up the cap space Staple in The Athletic - ( New Window )


Giving up chips for a guy close to Free Agency makes no sense given who they have to renew over the next few years.
Dylan Larkin doesn't move the needle for me at all  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2022 2:08 pm : link
Don't see the point there.

Somehow, Rick Bowness got hired to yet another head coaching job.
RE: RE: From Staple in the Athletic 30 minutes ago  
Snablats : 7/1/2022 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15745860 Will Shine said:
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In comment 15745123 Snablats said:


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"Two league sources told The Athletic that Chytil has been the most talked-about Ranger in Drury’s various trade conversations and that the Rangers are willing to lose Chytil in order to acquire an older, more established top-six center."

"The sources said that Chytil and Kakko could potentially wind up in a deal, though it’s certain Drury would only package them both for the likes of Scheifele or Larkin, and it’s not known if the Rangers and Red Wings have spoken about the Detroit captain, who has one season left at a $6.1 million AAV before hitting unrestricted free agency."

"Shedding Chytil and Kakko, both of whom would need new deals in the next year or two, could be a wash against the salary cap. And the Rangers may see a clearer path for Will Cuylle and Brennan Othmann in the top nine with Chytil and Kakko gone"

Sure sounds like everything I said they should do, trade for the 2C and move Chytil and Kakko to free up the cap space Staple in The Athletic - ( New Window )



Giving up chips for a guy close to Free Agency makes no sense given who they have to renew over the next few years.

It does when you are going for a title. What other options do they have that are better than Strome/Copp? It sure aint Chytil. Their best 3 forwards are going to age-out in the next few years. Now is the time
Opps.  
St. Jimmy : 7/1/2022 8:49 pm : link
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Trade  
Jay on the Island : 7/3/2022 2:00 pm : link
Nashville acquired Ryan McDonagh from Tampa Bay for D Philippe Myers and F Grant Mismash.
Sounds like as expected Chicago wants a king's ransom for DeBrincat  
Stu11 : 7/3/2022 4:23 pm : link
Word is they turned down an offer of a high first rounder, a future first and a prospect. Word is the Flyers may be interested. As the Devs I don't think I'd trade #2 and next year's first and a guy like Holtz. Too much chance we'll be right back in the lottery next year. I'd think about #2, 2024 first and Holtz though.
RE: Trade  
ColHowPepper : 7/3/2022 11:29 pm : link
In comment 15746767 Jay on the Island said:
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Nashville acquired Ryan McDonagh from Tampa Bay for D Philippe Myers and F Grant Mismash.

Don't like seeing this for McDonagh; maybe pj or someone else can say how high or low McDonagh is being valued for Myers/Mismash as I don't know the players, but my gut tells me the transaction is a step closer to a slippery slope for #27, one of my favorite players
With what is happening with the Flyers goalie prospect Fedotov  
Stu11 : 7/4/2022 12:01 am : link
In Russia, it's going to give teams real pause to draft any Russians high on Thursday or Friday. Word is now he's being sent to an Arctic outpost which is the worst punishment assignment for a Russian soldier at the behest of the owner of his KHL team who is buddy buddy with Putin. How sick is what goes on there?
RE: With what is happening with the Flyers goalie prospect Fedotov  
Anakim : 7/4/2022 12:24 am : link
In comment 15746940 Stu11 said:
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In Russia, it's going to give teams real pause to draft any Russians high on Thursday or Friday. Word is now he's being sent to an Arctic outpost which is the worst punishment assignment for a Russian soldier at the behest of the owner of his KHL team who is buddy buddy with Putin. How sick is what goes on there?


What's worse: the Arctic or Siberia?
RE: With what is happening with the Flyers goalie prospect Fedotov  
pjcas18 : 7/4/2022 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15746940 Stu11 said:
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In Russia, it's going to give teams real pause to draft any Russians high on Thursday or Friday. Word is now he's being sent to an Arctic outpost which is the worst punishment assignment for a Russian soldier at the behest of the owner of his KHL team who is buddy buddy with Putin. How sick is what goes on there?

I read that all Russian draft eligibles who would have gone in the first two rounds are pushed about a half round later and the player who would have been later round picks won't be drafted.

Some team will get very lucky if they get Danila Yurov in the 2nd round or Miroschnichenko late 2nd/3rd.

most of these guys being drafted now are 2 years away, so I wouldn't over draft them obviously but I wouldn't be shy about taking a Russian player.
RE: RE: With what is happening with the Flyers goalie prospect Fedotov  
Jay on the Island : 7/4/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15747055 pjcas18 said:
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I read that all Russian draft eligibles who would have gone in the first two rounds are pushed about a half round later and the player who would have been later round picks won't be drafted.

Some team will get very lucky if they get Danila Yurov in the 2nd round or Miroschnichenko late 2nd/3rd.

most of these guys being drafted now are 2 years away, so I wouldn't over draft them obviously but I wouldn't be shy about taking a Russian player.

Yesterday I read that some owners have told their GM’s to not draft Russian’s this year while others will operate as usual. We will see a record number of late russian steals this year IMO.
8 figures for Kadri?  
pjcas18 : 7/4/2022 7:04 pm : link
holy shit, please do it Bruins. I like him, but 2022 was such an outlier for him (at 31) who knows if it's a mirage.

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Kypreos on Kadri: "The number I hear is it starts at 8 and it could go as high as $10M, the teams that I'm hearing out there, two teams that can stroke that cheque right now are Seattle and the Boston Bruins".
RE: 8 figures for Kadri?  
Anakim : 7/4/2022 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15747217 pjcas18 said:
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holy shit, please do it Bruins. I like him, but 2022 was such an outlier for him (at 31) who knows if it's a mirage.

NHL Watcher
@NHL_Watcher
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Kypreos on Kadri: "The number I hear is it starts at 8 and it could go as high as $10M, the teams that I'm hearing out there, two teams that can stroke that cheque right now are Seattle and the Boston Bruins".


Rangers are out. Can't afford that.


Also, it sounds like they might be losing Mike Grier to the Sharks
Surprising comments by Kypreos on the McDonagh to Nashville trade  
Anakim : 7/4/2022 7:43 pm : link
McDonagh has a NTC (not a NMC clause) and wasn't too keen on going to Nashville, but Lightning brass basically told him that if he didn't agree to the trade to Nashville, they were going to waive him (remember, NTC, not NMC) and they had an arrangement with Columbus whereby the Blue Jackets would claim McDonagh off waivers.
Weekes is solid  
pjcas18 : 7/4/2022 7:48 pm : link
but isn't the draft this week? in 3 days?

Kevin Weekes
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I’m told the @EdmontonOilers
are actively shopping F Jesse Puljujarvi, and there’s some interest from clubs in market for his services. Curious to see if there’s a match for potential deal between now and next week’s Entry Draft. @espn
@NHL
#HockeyTwitter
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pjcas18 : 7/4/2022 8:03 pm : link
Kevin Weekes
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**Keep an eye 👁 on ** J.T Miller has flourished out in Van City. Better than a point per game during his tenure there, he too as a Power Skill Forward is drawing plenty of interest in the Trade Market, although 1 Yr 5.25M left in his deal. @espn
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Would be so Drury  
ColHowPepper : 7/4/2022 9:46 pm : link
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**Keep an eye 👁 on ** J.T Miller has flourished out in Van City. Better than a point per game during his tenure there, he too as a Power Skill Forward is drawing plenty of interest in the Trade Market, although 1 Yr 5.25M left in his deal. @espn
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And then JT Miller is driven off the lot and devalues to a Strome redux, but less
JT Miller  
five5 : 7/5/2022 1:15 am : link
Not sure if the NYR can afford him but any team that can would be interested in him. He is one of the top power forwards in the league.
deBrusk  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2022 9:07 am : link
has rescinded his trade request. He finished up strong, I wonder if there was a rift with Cassidy.
I think today through Thursday the trade market will peak  
Stu11 : 7/5/2022 9:16 am : link
Last year you had some big trades the day before and day of the draft. I think a good chance Philly trades #5 for a vet, maybe even DeBrincat. I've heard mixed things on DeBrincat- like I posted I heard they turned down a monster offer, then I read where they won't get nearly that of they trade him. They really are a case study of why not to give guys lifetime NMC's. They'd be much better off trading Lane to.rebuild and doing it around the cat, but they can't move him or Toews with their NMCs. I'm thinking it's less and less possible the Devs will trade the pick. Now I read Pronman and Wheeler in the athletic and they have me loving Slaf again lol. Saw rumors of Bratt/#2 for JT Miller. Not into that at all. He's a good player, but closing in on 30, with only one year left on the contract he doesn't fit our timeline at all.
Meant to say trading "Patrick Kane"  
Stu11 : 7/5/2022 9:18 am : link
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I think DeBrincat  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2022 9:21 am : link
is more movable than Toews or Kane and for good value in return.

DeBrincat is an RFA after this season at a good number for this year.

Toews and Kane each have one year left at a huge number and then are UFA's.

I think Toews and Kane will be deadline deals unless CHI eats a lot of salary.
Time for a new thread  
Maryland Blows : 7/5/2022 11:13 am : link
NHL Draft, FA and Trades
RE: Time for a new thread  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15747418 Maryland Blows said:
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NHL Draft, FA and Trades


start one, up, we can let this one die...
RE: I think today through Thursday the trade market will peak  
Jay on the Island : 7/5/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15747355 Stu11 said:
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Saw rumors of Bratt/#2 for JT Miller. Not into that at all. He's a good player, but closing in on 30, with only one year left on the contract he doesn't fit our timeline at all.

Holy shit if Fitzgerald is even considering that then he should be fired. Miller is a great player but he’s 29 and 5 years older than Bratt. Bratt will have more value moving forward. I wouldn’t make that trade straight up but it’s an awful move to also include the #2 pick as well unless Garland and a pick was coming back as well.
RE: RE: Time for a new thread  
ColHowPepper : 7/5/2022 11:50 am : link
In comment 15747420 pjcas18 said:
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start one, up, we can let this one die...

RIP, thread, you and pj served us well.
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