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pjcas18 : 4/24/2022 11:28 am
A lot of the drama is basically decided in the East.

All 8 playoff teams have clinched, only jockeying for position/seeding is left.

All teams have anywhere from 2 to 4 games left.

As it stands today (games remaining in () at the end):
E1: (Atlantic champ) Panthers 120 pts (clinched 1 seed) (4)
E2: (Metro champ*) Hurricanes 110 pts (*not clinched) (3)
E3: Leafs 109 pts (3)
E4: Rangers 108 pts (3)
E5: Lightning 105 pts (4)
E6: Bruins 101 pts (4)
E7: Pens 101 pts (3)
E8: Caps 99 pts (4)

If nothing changes the 1st round matchups would be:

Panthers vs Caps (A1 vs WC2)
Hurricanes vs Bruins (M1 vs WC1)
Leafs vs Lightning (A2 vs A3)
Rangers vs Pens (M2 vs M3)

If I'm the Rangers I'm fine where I am and they have clinched at worst the 2 seed in the Metro. I'd rather play the Pens than the Bruins.

I will add the West in a separate post (5 teams have clinched and basically 4 teams vying for the final 3 spots).

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Route 9 : 6/22/2022 11:28 pm : link
What a goal though
Refs  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 8:04 am : link
missed too many men on COL for the GW.

I don't complain about refs I think they miss shit and they miss it both ways, and I'm glad it's not reviewable, but it sucks when you're on the losing end of one of their misses at a critical point.

Bo Byram is still in the D zone here out of camera view.

6th player not involved in the play, looks like he's skating off, but it was at least a few seconds. His replacement was on way too long to let go IMO.

Colorado absolutely took it to them in OT  
Stu11 : 6/23/2022 8:16 am : link
Just dominated for 12 minutes and hit 2 posts. Series is probably over, but I expect Tampa to show up and not go quietly.
Oh wow  
Route 9 : 6/23/2022 8:41 am : link
I'm just broken hearted
Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
Greg from LI : 6/23/2022 9:06 am : link
and has now lost his voting privileges.
Barry..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/23/2022 9:19 am : link
Trotz has a good response to TB whining:

"7 fucking guys. There's seven guys on the ice. For the fucking goal. It's right here"

And it was unchallengeable.
RE: Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
Route 9 : 6/23/2022 9:23 am : link
In comment 15738631 Greg from LI said:
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and has now lost his voting privileges.


You serious?

Today's just not my day.
Refs let a lot go during the third and OT periods  
Rick in Dallas : 6/23/2022 9:25 am : link
Kadri's goal was awesome.Bolts looked very tired in OT.
2 real fluky goals for Avs against AV in regulation..
yep, serious  
Greg from LI : 6/23/2022 9:27 am : link
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Link - ( New Window )
Preds  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 2:25 pm : link
offer Forsberg an 8-year deal, so basically a you want to stay here or you don't offer.

In the NHL only the current team can offer an 8-year deal, all other teams can only offer 7. I haven't seen the $$ but I have to believe it's in the $8-10M range AAV.

I hope he hits FA it's always more exciting to see FA movement.

RE: Preds  
Stu11 : 6/23/2022 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15738972 pjcas18 said:
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offer Forsberg an 8-year deal, so basically a you want to stay here or you don't offer.

In the NHL only the current team can offer an 8-year deal, all other teams can only offer 7. I haven't seen the $$ but I have to believe it's in the $8-10M range AAV.

I hope he hits FA it's always more exciting to see FA movement.

If he takes that (And he should if its legit) I wanna be Johnny Hockey's agent come free agent frenzy. He was already scalding hot, now the sky is the limit.
I agree Stu  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 4:16 pm : link
and I think Gaudreau may hit FA.

Flames have space ($27M)

but they have Gaudreau (UFA), Tkachuk (RFA) and that's $20M at least which leaves $7M for

Mangiapane RFA ($5M)

and then ($2M for...)
7 more UFAs and at least one more RFA.

They may be able to do it or some format of it, but long-term it will be hard for them to maintain.

RE: Refs  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15738584 pjcas18 said:
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missed too many men on COL for the GW....

Bo Byram is still in the D zone here out of camera view.

6th player not involved in the play, looks like he's skating off, but it was at least a few seconds. His replacement was on way too long to let go IMO.

COL bench coach in charge of line changes and timing needs to up his game. There was one stretch, I think in the 2nd, one of the many times Tampa had Avs pinned in their own zone in one of Bolts' classic forechecking shifts--Makar's pair and don't remember which line was on brutally long shift and could not change. Finally, there was a partial clear between red line and TBL's BL--Avs bench in that period was on the TBL BL side of center ice--Avs desperate to change and the players due to come on were not even standing/straddling the boards ready to jump over. You could see them rise from seated position to make the change, but by then Bolts regained possession and as result no one jumped on ice for a partial change. Just brutal. They were asleep at the switch at a crucial juncture. I was yelling WTF are you waiting for?
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BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2022 4:32 pm : link
I think the Lightning abuse the too many man rule more than anyone.

I didn't look enough to know if it should be called.

It wasn't as egregious as say, the 2014 uncalled goaltender interference against Lundqvist.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2022 4:33 pm : link
Also, the officiating was awful. Blatant penalties ignored. The 'let them play' bullshit advantages the Lightning who do more clutching and grabbing in the playoffs than most.
RE: Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
djm : 6/23/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15738631 Greg from LI said:
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and has now lost his voting privileges.


lol I can't help it but feel joy in this.
i don't even have a thing for Brooks  
djm : 6/23/2022 4:40 pm : link
it's just that his interactions with Torts were so entertaining.
RE: ....  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15739150 BrettNYG10 said:
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Also, the officiating was awful. Blatant penalties ignored. The 'let them play' bullshit advantages the Lightning who do more clutching and grabbing in the playoffs than most.

There was hooking call on Avs and it looked very similar to, and was almost the identical spot where KAM was called for the phantom hook. Came immediately to mind. But, yeah, there were calls that could easily have been made against both that weren't.
I didn't notice the refs  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2022 5:05 pm : link
except when TBL had a penalty because the COL PP is lethal and fun to watch. MacKinnon still gets the "press" but holy shit when that puck gets to the point and Makar gets it it's like watching McDavid as a D. He's the best D skater I've seen ever. not just throwing out superlatives. Coffey, Housley, Leetch, Niedermayer (so underrated), Quinn Hughes, whoever else you would name they are not in Makar's class. This must be what watching Bobby Orr was like - only not in choppy old video, so smooth, so good with the puck at high speed, so elusive and deceptive and he can shoot the puck - and shoot it hard from anywhere, quickly.

I didn't notice much missed by the refs, but that's consistent for me, I'm usually one of those let them play people Brett hates, lol.

I only called out the too many men, because it happened in OT of a SCF game. you know bright lights big stage, obvious missed call.
this is going to be a really weird take  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 7:17 am : link
and no doubt I'll get endless shite because he's reviled in these parts (me too), and along with this caveat: they're not in the same universe as d-men, certainly in their own zone nor as attacking, puck carrying d-men into the opponents' defensive zone, all that said: but TDA at the point on the PP as the ability to slide left and right, forward and back with speed and some suddenness better than most I've seen,and he has a decent shot from the point. That's pretty much were the comp ends because he can't take it to the net anywhere close to what Makar can.
Ready, aim...
RE: this is going to be a really weird take  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 7:54 am : link
In comment 15740116 ColHowPepper said:
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and no doubt I'll get endless shite because he's reviled in these parts (me too), and along with this caveat: they're not in the same universe as d-men, certainly in their own zone nor as attacking, puck carrying d-men into the opponents' defensive zone, all that said: but TDA at the point on the PP as the ability to slide left and right, forward and back with speed and some suddenness better than most I've seen,and he has a decent shot from the point. That's pretty much were the comp ends because he can't take it to the net anywhere close to what Makar can.
Ready, aim...


Even if TDA is the closest (and I disagree, but respect your opinion and everyone's opinion for that matter) he's not close.

And I felt like TDA struggled in the Rangers series in this exact role. He was not innovative at all moving the puck as PP QB, with PP zone entries or PP puck distribution.

Maybe he was too amped up, not sure, but I came away very unimpressed.

the closest to pure skating I have seen of current players to Makar might be Quinn Hughes. But I think Hughes has been (not 100% sure with my eye test) massively exposed in all other areas of defense limiting his utility.
fair enough  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 8:01 am : link
and agree he wasn't impressive in the 2nd SCP round. To be clear I did not address 'pure skating', only maneuverability at the point on PP.
Then there is this  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 8:02 am : link
stuff that has been making the twitter rounds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV852AsWQAQfB7p?format=jpg&name=small
RE: fair enough  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 8:09 am : link
In comment 15740141 ColHowPepper said:
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and agree he wasn't impressive in the 2nd SCP round. To be clear I did not address 'pure skating', only maneuverability at the point on PP.


I know. I was just combining them because in my mind skating enables the maneuverability (or at least makes it more effective).

Makar's passing is on another level too, almost always crisp, tape to tape, or in the sweet spot for a one-timer, little things that sometimes get overlooked.


RE: Then there is this  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 8:12 am : link
In comment 15740143 ColHowPepper said:
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stuff that has been making the twitter rounds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV852AsWQAQfB7p?format=jpg&name=small


I'll be amazed if the Rangers can move that contract in a flat cap year (without eating salary).

It would open up a lot of options if they can though.
RE: Then there is this  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2022 8:14 am : link
In comment 15740143 ColHowPepper said:
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stuff that has been making the twitter rounds

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV852AsWQAQfB7p?format=jpg&name=small


Would be dumb to trade him now at a low after a perceived poor playoffs
and it's not like Drury has  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 8:17 am : link
proven himself to be a magician at making deals

And, hell, if this Staple rumor has any basis, what about Kreider? His SCP were pretty darn quiet too, especially vs Bolts, tip toeing around scrums along the boards, late and lazy in checking, forward and back
Patrice Bergeron will return to the Bruins on a one year deal  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:11 am : link
Regarding Panarin, dealing could make a lot of sense but it depends, obviously, on the return. Jay's probably right though - I don't know that I'd say they'd be selling low, but the disappointing playoff performance would likely make it harder to get good value. Plus, he would control the destination.
I agree not the best time to trade  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 9:28 am : link
Panarin, but IMO it would be more a salary dump than looking to recoup value.

He is a free agent signee, not a draft pick the Rangers invested in and developed and are afraid to lose for nothing.

If you want to trade Panarin (I'm not convinced it makes the Rangers better) you're not concerned on recouping investment, you are looking for some team to take his salary.
RE: Larry Brooks failed to turn in his awards ballot on time  
Mad Mike : 6/24/2022 9:33 am : link
In comment 15738631 Greg from LI said:
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and has now lost his voting privileges.

He says he chose not to submit his ballot in protest of masking rules and inconsistent access to players during the post-season. Because of course he did.
maybe a salary dump  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:34 am : link
But that's still ninety points you have to replace
RE: maybe a salary dump  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 9:36 am : link
In comment 15740276 Greg from LI said:
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But that's still ninety points you have to replace


my assumption was they'd free up the Panarin money to make a run at Gaudreau or something like that. Not get those points replaced in a trade.
Doesn't Panarin have a  
JayBinQueens : 6/24/2022 9:37 am : link
NMC?
he certainly does  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:41 am : link
That's why he'd control his destination if he actually wanted to be traded.

PJ, I assumed that, if they did want to dump his salary, it would be to be able to retain more of their young players long term.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2022 9:50 am : link
I'd look to trade Kreider or Trouba before Panarin.
RE: ....  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 9:51 am : link
In comment 15740311 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'd look to trade Kreider or Trouba before Panarin.


Trouba creates a much bigger hole IMO than Panarin.

I do support trading Kreider though, his value won't likely be higher.
The Rangers are loaded with young defensemen though  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 9:53 am : link
Lundkvist, Jones, and Robertson all waiting in the wings.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2022 10:06 am : link
I don't value Trouba as highly as you do, pj - although I think the NYR fan base vastly underrates him. Also, he's a little more expensive and I'm very high on Schneider.

Kreider is the better option. These NMCs are killer.
Kreider  
five5 : 6/24/2022 10:06 am : link
It might make sense to deal him but just can’t see them doing it. Drury loves Trouba…not happening.
That Panarin stuff from Staple  
Kyle in NY : 6/24/2022 10:15 am : link
feels a bit like click-bait. "If there’s a rift, Panarin could ask out, as near-impossible as it would be to move this mammoth contract."

If, could, near-impossible. So it sounds like he's not going anywhere? It's entirely possible Drury expressed in exit interviews to Panarin that they need more from him in the playoffs, while also not having any intention to deal him. But I guess we'll see
I think Trouba is underrated  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 10:17 am : link
and I think top line D is underrated.

Look at the blocked shots, hits, and opponents they normally play against.

On the Rangers, IMO, a #1 D like Trouba is more valuable and harder to replace than Panarin or Kreider.

And I think Trouba's salary is the most fair of the three.
and to the Trouba/Panarin thesis  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2022 12:54 pm : link
i.e., retain the former and if, when, maybe deal Panarin, I'd add that, so far and on balance, Drury's moves have been on the (hate to say the word) 'grittier', side. Whether it is Slats behind the scene or whatever, Blais, Goodrow, Reaves, Motte, less so Vatrano, with Copp closer to Vatrano than Motte. And whether that slant is appealing to Rangers' fans vs. the Gorton/Davidson school is debatable.

In that context, Trouba is safe and valued. I've no idea as to contract status, but I'd wager Drury looks at Maroon, Killorn, Cirelli, Hagel, et al. style of play and thriving in the Cooper school and covet one or more, hell, even Perry.

So frustrating to see Panarin and Kreider wilt in the fire of the crucible.
I don't think as a non-Rangers  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 2:00 pm : link
fan I'd put Kreider and Panarin in quite the same bucket.

Yes, Kreider under-performed and did his usual (before 2021-2022 regular season) disappearing act for long stretches, but for the playoffs he

Led the team in even strength goals (tied with Chytil)
Led the team with 3 GWG (and I know GWG are a flimsy stat, but still better than anyone else on the team other than Chytil)
Led the team in G/60
Was 3rd on the team in hits

Could he has been better? Sure, but Kreider wasn't the reason they didn't advance
I thought Krieder's play in the ECF took a big dive in performance  
Rick in Dallas : 6/24/2022 2:12 pm : link
over the first 2 rounds. I was really disappointed in his play as at times his play was a non factor in the ECF.
Chicago  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 3:18 pm : link
to hire Luke Richardson as head coach.

I liked him as MTL D coach, I wonder if he tries to lure Petry away.

possible handshake  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 4:08 pm : link
game tonight.

sad, but at least we have the draft to look forward to.

Main reason I wanted TBL to win game 4, was to ensure at least a game 6. Now need the unlikely to happen and TBL to win in COL.

Point and Cirelli both GTD.
I've never liked Colorado much  
Greg from LI : 6/24/2022 4:14 pm : link
Mainly because they vultured the 1996 Cup from long suffering Nordiques fans.....but I'll be very glad to see Tampa lose
RE: I've never liked Colorado much  
Route 9 : 6/24/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15740737 Greg from LI said:
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Mainly because they vultured the 1996 Cup from long suffering Nordiques fans.....but I'll be very glad to see Tampa lose


I always liked Roy. I thought he was a funny character.

I went to that game in 1997 or 1998 where he skated out to center ice with the puck. That still cracks me up to this day.
I have no feelings  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2022 4:31 pm : link
toward COL, I hated them after the Roy trade, but not any more. I find it hard to watch Makar and MacKinnon and hate the team. Kadri is an asshole, but somehow turned into a sympathetic character after being boarded by Kane. And he's a good player.

I do hate TBL though.
RE: possible handshake  
Route 9 : 6/24/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15740730 pjcas18 said:
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game tonight.

sad, but at least we have the draft to look forward to.

Main reason I wanted TBL to win game 4, was to ensure at least a game 6. Now need the unlikely to happen and TBL to win in COL.

Point and Cirelli both GTD.


I think Tampa Bay wins tonight and then Colorado wins game 6.
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