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Wan'Dale Robinson

BigBlueJ : 5/2/2022 11:56 am
Unfortunately another positive projection for this kid.


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RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
sems : 5/2/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?

It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.
RE: RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
NoGainDayne : 5/2/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15695525 Scooter185 said:
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The Pats did the same thing with Ty Thornton. Does that make BB a bonehead?


I mean c'mon this isn't the same thing. The Pats have shown time and time again that they have different standards of value than the rest of the NFL.

If anything the Giants have counter examples. That they go against the grain and it blows up in their faces. And a lot of those same scouts are the people who had their player analysis miss so spectacularly.

I'm willing to say it's possible that we've turned over a new leaf on that. But is that at all probable given how little time Schoen has had to reshape things and how much he's relying on existing scouting?

The logical data set we have to draw from is when the Giants do these reaches they know less and not more. They have in no way shape or form earned the right to be put on the same level as BB's picks.
RE: RE: Toney was a reach  
Brown_Hornet : 5/2/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15695582 Mike from Ohio said:
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so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.



You end up with shitty rosters when you draft shitty players, not when you draft good players too early. All that matters is if these guys are any good.
+1
RE: Meggett  
Dr. D : 5/2/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15695430 Bones said:
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Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.

Just bc we could get Meggett in the 5th doesn't mean we could've gotten Robinson there. If Tyreek Hill the 2nd was in this draft, do you really think he would've lasted into the 5th rd? 2016 might not seem like a long time ago, but things have changed since then.
Joe got 2 extra picks and STILL got a versatile weapon  
mattlawson : 5/2/2022 1:43 pm : link
That the coach obviously wanted. Like badly wanted, and planned to use per conversations had before the draft during meetings.

We hired this staff for a reason. It’s refreshing to see a GM and coach actually get on the same page and also secure more picks for other needs.

The armchair GMs with their draft reports compiled by ‘experts’ who have no idea how the giants want to build their team, how they’ve evaluate players and holes to fill, and basically want to jaw all day and night about perceived value of a pick with no basis in actual reality can stfu already.
RE: RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
BigBlueJ : 5/2/2022 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15695587 sems said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.



This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?

It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.


Can you imagine following a player over his career that turns into a good player only to qualify his success with he was drafted to high??? This logic is totally bonkers
RE: So imagine this....  
solarmike : 5/2/2022 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15695438 Eric from BBI said:
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Empty backfield.... Golladay and Slayton (or whomever beats him out outside)... Toney, Robinson, and Barkley in the slot.

Good luck safeties and linebackers.


A fellow can dream and I can't wait to see the new Offense.
At the end of the video  
cjac : 5/2/2022 2:05 pm : link
they say that he will be a good fit for a team like KC, and Shoen said that Kafka (and Daboll) made it clear that this was a player they can do something with.

I'm optimistic
Why do I somehow feel like both sides are wrong in this debate  
Giantfan in skinland : 5/2/2022 2:07 pm : link
A) You can overdraft a player. It's a waste of resources. Yes, you're obviously right that if you take Brady in the 4th round instead of 6th, nobody is going to complain at the end of his career. HOWEVER, if your goal is to maximize your roster, you want to take the right players AT THE RIGHT TIME. Picking Brady is never going to look bad. But would you rather have Brady and a 4th rounder or Brady and a 6th rounder? That's the point people are making in complaining about the Robinson pick. Schoen may turn out to be right about the talent. If he is, we probably don't care TOO much. But if he could have had Robinson + another 2nd round talent, that means (assuming for a moment that it was a reach), he squandered resources unnecessarily to get him.

B) That said, tired of hearing people state as if it is some confirmed fact that this was a reach. On the Athletic's consensus big board, he was 91 on their board. He went 43. So on that basis, a reach of about one round. The problem is, that's just one measure. A measure that historically...is about 80% accurate. Factor that in + the fact that 5 WRs came off the board before our next pick and its not crazy at all to think that another team or two may have considered grabbing at some point in the 2nd round had we gone elsewhere. If they saw him as a unique talent/scheme fit, I really don't understand the consternation. Even if you want to say it was a bit of a reach, it doesn't seem that extreme to me. And I don't know how anyone can say for sure where the other teams had him (as noted above, this year more than probably any other, we actually had some insight on that issue...so I tend to think they maybe knew there was interest from some others).
Toney is a reach and a bad pick  
JerrysKids : 5/2/2022 2:09 pm : link
let's not kid ourselves, is Toney a #1 NFL WR? Absolutely not, it's hard to believe we picked him in round one with the 20th pick and I'm flabbergasted that a lot of you think he was a solid pick. Toney is a great athlete and a interesting player if you picked him in the 4th round. To me this 2nd round pick was KT 2.0, there has to be more important needs than punt return and jet sweep in the second round. Another thing, it's OK to second guess your teams personnel decisions, that's not being a bad fan, it's being a intelligent fan. Don't get me wrong I'm 100% praying that my concerns are unwarranted but sorry guys, I'm very concerned that we didn't get the right guys to run this team. What I saw in the rounds after round 1 are very alarming in my opinion.
RE: Toney is a reach and a bad pick  
Giantfan in skinland : 5/2/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15695653 JerrysKids said:
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let's not kid ourselves, is Toney a #1 NFL WR? Absolutely not, it's hard to believe we picked him in round one with the 20th pick and I'm flabbergasted that a lot of you think he was a solid pick. Toney is a great athlete and a interesting player if you picked him in the 4th round. To me this 2nd round pick was KT 2.0, there has to be more important needs than punt return and jet sweep in the second round. Another thing, it's OK to second guess your teams personnel decisions, that's not being a bad fan, it's being a intelligent fan. Don't get me wrong I'm 100% praying that my concerns are unwarranted but sorry guys, I'm very concerned that we didn't get the right guys to run this team. What I saw in the rounds after round 1 are very alarming in my opinion.


Toney showed enough on the field to demonstrate that his upside is first round worthy. The issue with him is that I have dwindling confidence that he'll ever realize that potential/we'll see him on the field consistently.

If Robinson is Toney but with his head screwed on straight, I'm not sure how anyone could be anything less than ecstatic at that prospect.

RE: Meggett  
k2tampa : 5/2/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15695430 Bones said:
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Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.


Why? If he has the same career as Meggett that's easily worth a round 2 pick.
Giantfan in skinland  
JerrysKids : 5/2/2022 2:22 pm : link
You really think Toney was a good pick? He's talented but he's 175lbs with emotional problems. Last year he played well in 2 games the rest of the season he was either hurt or not productive. Part of the draft process is drafting players with the physical attributes that would tend to promote a long healthy career, not may guys that small make it because they get hurt.
here's another pretty close comp for him  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2022 2:22 pm : link
the quotes from Liam Coen have me more excited for this pick than any other except thibodeaux. wandale + extra picks >>> mccreary imo.

RE: Toney is a reach and a bad pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/2/2022 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15695653 JerrysKids said:
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Another thing, it's OK to second guess your teams personnel decisions, that's not being a bad fan, it's being a intelligent fan.


With stuff like this, the question is always: "Ok, what info are you bringing to the table? Where's your info coming from?" It's not because *you* evaluated players. It's because someone else told you what to think, which is not a small point to make. That's really the objection, people getting THIS mad, but not armed with any information.

"I'm not sure about this" and "this is stupid, he would obviously have been available in rounds 3-4" are two very different statements. One is justifiable and one isn't.

19 reps...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/2/2022 2:23 pm : link
...at 178 lbs is impressive.
here's a perhaps more fair way to evaluate him vs. a peer  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2022 2:29 pm : link
i liked dotson a lot and i'd still take him over robinson, but obviously that wasn't an option since he went in the first round. I like Dotson's hands/catch radius and the fact that he's not as undersized. but in fairness to robinson, his 100 catches in the SEC are pretty compelling too.