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Wan'Dale Robinson

BigBlueJ : 5/2/2022 11:56 am
Unfortunately another positive projection for this kid.


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I was furious with this pick  
superspynyg : 5/2/2022 12:09 pm : link
I am not a fan of small wrs taken this high in the draft. But after stewing on it. IF he can stay healthy, he could be a good asset for this team.
Heard him interviewed on Sirius NFL Saturday morning  
DCOrange : 5/2/2022 12:10 pm : link
Sounded like a great kid. Smart, measured answers - confident but not cocky. Easy to root for which has not always been the case with a lot of guys over the past few years.
I think we have  
jvm52106 : 5/2/2022 12:14 pm : link
our Dave Meggett, a guy who can get the ball in the backfield, get passes out of the backfield, out of the slot and probably can play some Special teams too.

I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2022 12:18 pm : link
glad you posted this. I posted it yesterday but I think it got buried in the responses.
Watching that film  
DCOrange : 5/2/2022 12:19 pm : link
Two things -

I did not realize how many times he lined up at RB at Nebraska.

His stats would have been a lot better last year if he played with a better QB as there are a lot of under thrown and high throws costing him yards and probably a couple of TDs.
Meggett  
Bones : 5/2/2022 12:19 pm : link
Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.
The best way to NOT be pissed about  
jvm52106 : 5/2/2022 12:21 pm : link
this pick is not view him as a WR but as a weapon.
So imagine this....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2022 12:22 pm : link
Empty backfield.... Golladay and Slayton (or whomever beats him out outside)... Toney, Robinson, and Barkley in the slot.

Good luck safeties and linebackers.
RE: Meggett  
jvm52106 : 5/2/2022 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15695430 Bones said:
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Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.


Really, and you don't think knowing what Meggett was he wouldn't have been drafted much higher if the draft had been redone. Robinson was never going to reach round 5.
His toughness will make him a fan favorite in no time...  
Capt. Don : 5/2/2022 12:23 pm : link
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You have to think  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2022 12:25 pm : link
the Chiefs and 49ers were eyeing Robinson. Our assistant GM may have known that the Eagles were high on him too.
RE: Meggett  
djm : 5/2/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15695430 Bones said:
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Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.


Right because wrs this size never play well in the nfl.

Except, they have and are playing well. But you know more.
Perfect  
Thegratefulhead : 5/2/2022 12:29 pm : link
For this system. We are going to spread it out, use motion and put the ball into the hands of playmakers.

We are finally going to leave 1978 behind.

Wan'Dale did that shit in the SEC.

Notice how he finished his career?

Did you look?

If someone can screw Toney's head on straight, this might be the most fun offense in NFCE.

We are going to see more +20 yards plays in 2022 than we have ever had IMO. Might not be the best offense we have seeen, but it will be very explosive. Big chunks. Saquan was monster in 2018, if he is healthy, this should be a better offense for him. There is going to be a lot of space to work with.
Great video  
Giantophile : 5/2/2022 12:29 pm : link
Thanks for sharing. I'm pumped for this pick. Maybe not what I would have done but for chrissakes people let the new regime do their thing. The # of ppl who think they know better bc they read some amateur rankings on the internet is laughable.

Glad the new mgmt has a plan.
Noteworthy here  
UberAlias : 5/2/2022 12:31 pm : link
Is how he said ideally he ends up in an offense such as KC who knows how to use him, considering that is where Kafka came from.
Why unfortunate?  
Mike from Ohio : 5/2/2022 12:43 pm : link
?
what he says in the first :15 seconds  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2022 12:48 pm : link
is what people need to listen to, twice if needed. It aligns 100% with the phone call we all heard on draft day regarding the plans for Robinson.
Mike...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/2/2022 12:48 pm : link
...pretty sure that was a dig.
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 5/2/2022 12:49 pm : link
The same people bitching about Jason Garret's stonage offensive philopshy than bash the Gmen selecting players who coincide with recent player trends.
RE: I was furious with this pick  
Pepe LePugh : 5/2/2022 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15695412 superspynyg said:
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I am not a fan of small wrs taken this high in the draft. But after stewing on it. IF he can stay healthy, he could be a good asset for this team.


Just reminded me when we drafted 5’8” 160# Stephan Baker. Reporter asked Simms if he had trouble finding him in the patterns. Simms’ response was No, he’s the one who’s open.
RE: Mike...  
Mike from Ohio : 5/2/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15695488 Brown_Hornet said:
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...pretty sure that was a dig.


I figured it was. Don't understand the need for posters to do this childish, look-at-me crap. Why not just post a scouting report about a draft pick instead of starting a thread by being a prick to people with different opinions?
RE: So imagine this....  
The_Boss : 5/2/2022 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15695438 Eric from BBI said:
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Empty backfield.... Golladay and Slayton (or whomever beats him out outside)... Toney, Robinson, and Barkley in the slot.

Good luck safeties and linebackers.


too bad Jones is a one read QB entering his 4th season...
RE: .....  
KDavies : 5/2/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15695491 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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The same people bitching about Jason Garret's stonage offensive philopshy than bash the Gmen selecting players who coincide with recent player trends.


1,000 times this
RE: Meggett  
FStubbs : 5/2/2022 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15695430 Bones said:
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Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.


And NFL teams so quickly saw how much impact he had that 2 years later, they were ready to make a similar player, Rocket Ismail, the #1 overall pick if he had not signed with the CFL. (To this day that was still weird.)
One thing I noticed  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 5/2/2022 1:05 pm : link
Is that while I don’t think he’s quite as shifty/explosive with the ball as Toney (very few have ever been), it seems like he gets better separation in route running. Definitely seems to be more refined than Toney was last year in terms of NFL style route running.

Don’t get me wrong, they’re definitely similar but that route running/separation could make him a little more consistent than Toney.
Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
JerrysKids : 5/2/2022 1:08 pm : link
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
Scooter185 : 5/2/2022 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


The Pats did the same thing with Ty Thornton. Does that make BB a bonehead?
RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
FStubbs : 5/2/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


If he pans out, people won't care anymore. Think anyone cares EA/Reese reached for Osi in the 2nd round anymore?
RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
UberAlias : 5/2/2022 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


How do you know he "easily" would have been there in round 3 or 4? Because the mock drafts you read on line said so? lol. What Schoen did was take the highest player on his draft board rather than getting too cute in his first draft by taking a player he had a lesser grade on and taking a chance his guy would not be there. He's made bone head move because he didn't follow your highly informed draft board, huh? Awesome...
RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/2/2022 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


Reminds me of last season with Toney. People stopped caring about his draft slot when he had that big game.

No one cares. It's just something to yammer about.
RE: RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
KDavies : 5/2/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15695531 UberAlias said:
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In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:


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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.



How do you know he "easily" would have been there in round 3 or 4? Because the mock drafts you read on line said so? lol. What Schoen did was take the highest player on his draft board rather than getting too cute in his first draft by taking a player he had a lesser grade on and taking a chance his guy would not be there. He's made bone head move because he didn't follow your highly informed draft board, huh? Awesome...


Exactly. I swear the draft gives me migraines these days.
Ignore the run on WR's if you want  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2022 1:19 pm : link
or just look at mocks. Those same mocks that got the QB's wrong by 2+ rounds.
Toney was a reach  
JerrysKids : 5/2/2022 1:26 pm : link
so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.
RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
Mike from Ohio : 5/2/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


Why do you believe the Giants are the only team that had him rated in the 2nd round? If he was the player who was the best scheme fit and they were concerned at least one other team had a 2nd/3rd round grade on him, do you risk losing him?

He was picked ahead of where most mocks had him going. There is no guarantee the Giants were an outlier on him. Most of the mocks were wrong on the QBs by multiple rounds.
I hope I'm wrong  
JerrysKids : 5/2/2022 1:28 pm : link
lets see what happens but to me this should be a concerning situation.
I wish some of you people would go root for another team  
blueblood : 5/2/2022 1:32 pm : link
its hard to believe some of you people are actually fans..
Reminds me a lot of David Meggett when watching videos of him  
NYG27 : 5/2/2022 1:34 pm : link
If Robinson can be a weapon as a runner\receiver\returner that Meggett was, than I'm glad the Giants spent a 2nd round pick on him.
RE: Why unfortunate?  
BigBlueJ : 5/2/2022 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15695479 Mike from Ohio said:
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Being snarky :)
RE: Toney was a reach  
Mike from Ohio : 5/2/2022 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15695556 JerrysKids said:
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so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.


You end up with shitty rosters when you draft shitty players, not when you draft good players too early. All that matters is if these guys are any good.
RE: Toney was a reach  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15695556 JerrysKids said:
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so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.


This is just a list of people who didn't work out. Some were reaches, some were just bad picks, there's a difference. And it illustrates that if Robinson works out, you don't give a shit what pick we spent on him.
RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
BigBlueJ : 5/2/2022 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


Truly one of the dumbest things I have read on this board, and I been around for a decade.
RE: The best way to NOT be pissed about  
nochance : 5/2/2022 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15695437 jvm52106 said:
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this pick is not view him as a WR but as a weapon.



He is a WR he caught 104 passes last year
RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
sems : 5/2/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.


This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?

It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.
RE: RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
NoGainDayne : 5/2/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15695525 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:


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The Pats did the same thing with Ty Thornton. Does that make BB a bonehead?


I mean c'mon this isn't the same thing. The Pats have shown time and time again that they have different standards of value than the rest of the NFL.

If anything the Giants have counter examples. That they go against the grain and it blows up in their faces. And a lot of those same scouts are the people who had their player analysis miss so spectacularly.

I'm willing to say it's possible that we've turned over a new leaf on that. But is that at all probable given how little time Schoen has had to reshape things and how much he's relying on existing scouting?

The logical data set we have to draw from is when the Giants do these reaches they know less and not more. They have in no way shape or form earned the right to be put on the same level as BB's picks.
RE: RE: Toney was a reach  
Brown_Hornet : 5/2/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15695582 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15695556 JerrysKids said:


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so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.



You end up with shitty rosters when you draft shitty players, not when you draft good players too early. All that matters is if these guys are any good.
+1
RE: Meggett  
Dr. D : 5/2/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15695430 Bones said:
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Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.

Just bc we could get Meggett in the 5th doesn't mean we could've gotten Robinson there. If Tyreek Hill the 2nd was in this draft, do you really think he would've lasted into the 5th rd? 2016 might not seem like a long time ago, but things have changed since then.
Joe got 2 extra picks and STILL got a versatile weapon  
mattlawson : 5/2/2022 1:43 pm : link
That the coach obviously wanted. Like badly wanted, and planned to use per conversations had before the draft during meetings.

We hired this staff for a reason. It’s refreshing to see a GM and coach actually get on the same page and also secure more picks for other needs.

The armchair GMs with their draft reports compiled by ‘experts’ who have no idea how the giants want to build their team, how they’ve evaluate players and holes to fill, and basically want to jaw all day and night about perceived value of a pick with no basis in actual reality can stfu already.
RE: RE: Seems to me that Joe Schoen  
BigBlueJ : 5/2/2022 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15695587 sems said:
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In comment 15695517 JerrysKids said:


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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.



This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?

It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.


Can you imagine following a player over his career that turns into a good player only to qualify his success with he was drafted to high??? This logic is totally bonkers
RE: So imagine this....  
solarmike : 5/2/2022 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15695438 Eric from BBI said:
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Empty backfield.... Golladay and Slayton (or whomever beats him out outside)... Toney, Robinson, and Barkley in the slot.

Good luck safeties and linebackers.


A fellow can dream and I can't wait to see the new Offense.
At the end of the video  
cjac : 5/2/2022 2:05 pm : link
they say that he will be a good fit for a team like KC, and Shoen said that Kafka (and Daboll) made it clear that this was a player they can do something with.

I'm optimistic
Why do I somehow feel like both sides are wrong in this debate  
Giantfan in skinland : 5/2/2022 2:07 pm : link
A) You can overdraft a player. It's a waste of resources. Yes, you're obviously right that if you take Brady in the 4th round instead of 6th, nobody is going to complain at the end of his career. HOWEVER, if your goal is to maximize your roster, you want to take the right players AT THE RIGHT TIME. Picking Brady is never going to look bad. But would you rather have Brady and a 4th rounder or Brady and a 6th rounder? That's the point people are making in complaining about the Robinson pick. Schoen may turn out to be right about the talent. If he is, we probably don't care TOO much. But if he could have had Robinson + another 2nd round talent, that means (assuming for a moment that it was a reach), he squandered resources unnecessarily to get him.

B) That said, tired of hearing people state as if it is some confirmed fact that this was a reach. On the Athletic's consensus big board, he was 91 on their board. He went 43. So on that basis, a reach of about one round. The problem is, that's just one measure. A measure that historically...is about 80% accurate. Factor that in + the fact that 5 WRs came off the board before our next pick and its not crazy at all to think that another team or two may have considered grabbing at some point in the 2nd round had we gone elsewhere. If they saw him as a unique talent/scheme fit, I really don't understand the consternation. Even if you want to say it was a bit of a reach, it doesn't seem that extreme to me. And I don't know how anyone can say for sure where the other teams had him (as noted above, this year more than probably any other, we actually had some insight on that issue...so I tend to think they maybe knew there was interest from some others).
Toney is a reach and a bad pick  
JerrysKids : 5/2/2022 2:09 pm : link
let's not kid ourselves, is Toney a #1 NFL WR? Absolutely not, it's hard to believe we picked him in round one with the 20th pick and I'm flabbergasted that a lot of you think he was a solid pick. Toney is a great athlete and a interesting player if you picked him in the 4th round. To me this 2nd round pick was KT 2.0, there has to be more important needs than punt return and jet sweep in the second round. Another thing, it's OK to second guess your teams personnel decisions, that's not being a bad fan, it's being a intelligent fan. Don't get me wrong I'm 100% praying that my concerns are unwarranted but sorry guys, I'm very concerned that we didn't get the right guys to run this team. What I saw in the rounds after round 1 are very alarming in my opinion.
RE: Toney is a reach and a bad pick  
Giantfan in skinland : 5/2/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15695653 JerrysKids said:
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let's not kid ourselves, is Toney a #1 NFL WR? Absolutely not, it's hard to believe we picked him in round one with the 20th pick and I'm flabbergasted that a lot of you think he was a solid pick. Toney is a great athlete and a interesting player if you picked him in the 4th round. To me this 2nd round pick was KT 2.0, there has to be more important needs than punt return and jet sweep in the second round. Another thing, it's OK to second guess your teams personnel decisions, that's not being a bad fan, it's being a intelligent fan. Don't get me wrong I'm 100% praying that my concerns are unwarranted but sorry guys, I'm very concerned that we didn't get the right guys to run this team. What I saw in the rounds after round 1 are very alarming in my opinion.


Toney showed enough on the field to demonstrate that his upside is first round worthy. The issue with him is that I have dwindling confidence that he'll ever realize that potential/we'll see him on the field consistently.

If Robinson is Toney but with his head screwed on straight, I'm not sure how anyone could be anything less than ecstatic at that prospect.

RE: Meggett  
k2tampa : 5/2/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15695430 Bones said:
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Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.


Why? If he has the same career as Meggett that's easily worth a round 2 pick.
Giantfan in skinland  
JerrysKids : 5/2/2022 2:22 pm : link
You really think Toney was a good pick? He's talented but he's 175lbs with emotional problems. Last year he played well in 2 games the rest of the season he was either hurt or not productive. Part of the draft process is drafting players with the physical attributes that would tend to promote a long healthy career, not may guys that small make it because they get hurt.
here's another pretty close comp for him  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2022 2:22 pm : link
the quotes from Liam Coen have me more excited for this pick than any other except thibodeaux. wandale + extra picks >>> mccreary imo.

RE: Toney is a reach and a bad pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/2/2022 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15695653 JerrysKids said:
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Another thing, it's OK to second guess your teams personnel decisions, that's not being a bad fan, it's being a intelligent fan.


With stuff like this, the question is always: "Ok, what info are you bringing to the table? Where's your info coming from?" It's not because *you* evaluated players. It's because someone else told you what to think, which is not a small point to make. That's really the objection, people getting THIS mad, but not armed with any information.

"I'm not sure about this" and "this is stupid, he would obviously have been available in rounds 3-4" are two very different statements. One is justifiable and one isn't.

19 reps...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/2/2022 2:23 pm : link
...at 178 lbs is impressive.
here's a perhaps more fair way to evaluate him vs. a peer  
Eric on Li : 5/2/2022 2:29 pm : link
i liked dotson a lot and i'd still take him over robinson, but obviously that wasn't an option since he went in the first round. I like Dotson's hands/catch radius and the fact that he's not as undersized. but in fairness to robinson, his 100 catches in the SEC are pretty compelling too.