Sounded like a great kid. Smart, measured answers - confident but not cocky. Easy to root for which has not always been the case with a lot of guys over the past few years.
our Dave Meggett, a guy who can get the ball in the backfield, get passes out of the backfield, out of the slot and probably can play some Special teams too.
I did not realize how many times he lined up at RB at Nebraska.
His stats would have been a lot better last year if he played with a better QB as there are a lot of under thrown and high throws costing him yards and probably a couple of TDs.
Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.
Really, and you don't think knowing what Meggett was he wouldn't have been drafted much higher if the draft had been redone. Robinson was never going to reach round 5.
His toughness will make him a fan favorite in no time...
For this system. We are going to spread it out, use motion and put the ball into the hands of playmakers.
We are finally going to leave 1978 behind.
Wan'Dale did that shit in the SEC.
Notice how he finished his career?
Did you look?
If someone can screw Toney's head on straight, this might be the most fun offense in NFCE.
We are going to see more +20 yards plays in 2022 than we have ever had IMO. Might not be the best offense we have seeen, but it will be very explosive. Big chunks. Saquan was monster in 2018, if he is healthy, this should be a better offense for him. There is going to be a lot of space to work with.
Thanks for sharing. I'm pumped for this pick. Maybe not what I would have done but for chrissakes people let the new regime do their thing. The # of ppl who think they know better bc they read some amateur rankings on the internet is laughable.
I am not a fan of small wrs taken this high in the draft. But after stewing on it. IF he can stay healthy, he could be a good asset for this team.
Just reminded me when we drafted 5’8” 160# Stephan Baker. Reporter asked Simms if he had trouble finding him in the patterns. Simms’ response was No, he’s the one who’s open.
I figured it was. Don't understand the need for posters to do this childish, look-at-me crap. Why not just post a scouting report about a draft pick instead of starting a thread by being a prick to people with different opinions?
Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.
And NFL teams so quickly saw how much impact he had that 2 years later, they were ready to make a similar player, Rocket Ismail, the #1 overall pick if he had not signed with the CFL. (To this day that was still weird.)
Is that while I don’t think he’s quite as shifty/explosive with the ball as Toney (very few have ever been), it seems like he gets better separation in route running. Definitely seems to be more refined than Toney was last year in terms of NFL style route running.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re definitely similar but that route running/separation could make him a little more consistent than Toney.
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
The Pats did the same thing with Ty Thornton. Does that make BB a bonehead?
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
If he pans out, people won't care anymore. Think anyone cares EA/Reese reached for Osi in the 2nd round anymore?
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
How do you know he "easily" would have been there in round 3 or 4? Because the mock drafts you read on line said so? lol. What Schoen did was take the highest player on his draft board rather than getting too cute in his first draft by taking a player he had a lesser grade on and taking a chance his guy would not be there. He's made bone head move because he didn't follow your highly informed draft board, huh? Awesome...
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
Reminds me of last season with Toney. People stopped caring about his draft slot when he had that big game.
No one cares. It's just something to yammer about.
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
How do you know he "easily" would have been there in round 3 or 4? Because the mock drafts you read on line said so? lol. What Schoen did was take the highest player on his draft board rather than getting too cute in his first draft by taking a player he had a lesser grade on and taking a chance his guy would not be there. He's made bone head move because he didn't follow your highly informed draft board, huh? Awesome...
Exactly. I swear the draft gives me migraines these days.
so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
Why do you believe the Giants are the only team that had him rated in the 2nd round? If he was the player who was the best scheme fit and they were concerned at least one other team had a 2nd/3rd round grade on him, do you risk losing him?
He was picked ahead of where most mocks had him going. There is no guarantee the Giants were an outlier on him. Most of the mocks were wrong on the QBs by multiple rounds.
so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.
You end up with shitty rosters when you draft shitty players, not when you draft good players too early. All that matters is if these guys are any good.
so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.
This is just a list of people who didn't work out. Some were reaches, some were just bad picks, there's a difference. And it illustrates that if Robinson works out, you don't give a shit what pick we spent on him.
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
Truly one of the dumbest things I have read on this board, and I been around for a decade.
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?
It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.
The Pats did the same thing with Ty Thornton. Does that make BB a bonehead?
I mean c'mon this isn't the same thing. The Pats have shown time and time again that they have different standards of value than the rest of the NFL.
If anything the Giants have counter examples. That they go against the grain and it blows up in their faces. And a lot of those same scouts are the people who had their player analysis miss so spectacularly.
I'm willing to say it's possible that we've turned over a new leaf on that. But is that at all probable given how little time Schoen has had to reshape things and how much he's relying on existing scouting?
The logical data set we have to draw from is when the Giants do these reaches they know less and not more. They have in no way shape or form earned the right to be put on the same level as BB's picks.
so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.
You end up with shitty rosters when you draft shitty players, not when you draft good players too early. All that matters is if these guys are any good.
Was a 5th round pick. Robinson would have been a good 5th round pick as well.
Just bc we could get Meggett in the 5th doesn't mean we could've gotten Robinson there. If Tyreek Hill the 2nd was in this draft, do you really think he would've lasted into the 5th rd? 2016 might not seem like a long time ago, but things have changed since then.
Joe got 2 extra picks and STILL got a versatile weapon
That the coach obviously wanted. Like badly wanted, and planned to use per conversations had before the draft during meetings.
We hired this staff for a reason. It’s refreshing to see a GM and coach actually get on the same page and also secure more picks for other needs.
The armchair GMs with their draft reports compiled by ‘experts’ who have no idea how the giants want to build their team, how they’ve evaluate players and holes to fill, and basically want to jaw all day and night about perceived value of a pick with no basis in actual reality can stfu already.
made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?
It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.
Can you imagine following a player over his career that turns into a good player only to qualify his success with he was drafted to high??? This logic is totally bonkers
they say that he will be a good fit for a team like KC, and Shoen said that Kafka (and Daboll) made it clear that this was a player they can do something with.
I did not realize how many times he lined up at RB at Nebraska.
His stats would have been a lot better last year if he played with a better QB as there are a lot of under thrown and high throws costing him yards and probably a couple of TDs.
Good luck safeties and linebackers.
Really, and you don't think knowing what Meggett was he wouldn't have been drafted much higher if the draft had been redone. Robinson was never going to reach round 5.
Right because wrs this size never play well in the nfl.
Except, they have and are playing well. But you know more.
We are finally going to leave 1978 behind.
Wan'Dale did that shit in the SEC.
Notice how he finished his career?
Did you look?
If someone can screw Toney's head on straight, this might be the most fun offense in NFCE.
We are going to see more +20 yards plays in 2022 than we have ever had IMO. Might not be the best offense we have seeen, but it will be very explosive. Big chunks. Saquan was monster in 2018, if he is healthy, this should be a better offense for him. There is going to be a lot of space to work with.
Glad the new mgmt has a plan.
Just reminded me when we drafted 5’8” 160# Stephan Baker. Reporter asked Simms if he had trouble finding him in the patterns. Simms’ response was No, he’s the one who’s open.
I figured it was. Don't understand the need for posters to do this childish, look-at-me crap. Why not just post a scouting report about a draft pick instead of starting a thread by being a prick to people with different opinions?
Good luck safeties and linebackers.
too bad Jones is a one read QB entering his 4th season...
1,000 times this
And NFL teams so quickly saw how much impact he had that 2 years later, they were ready to make a similar player, Rocket Ismail, the #1 overall pick if he had not signed with the CFL. (To this day that was still weird.)
Don’t get me wrong, they’re definitely similar but that route running/separation could make him a little more consistent than Toney.
The Pats did the same thing with Ty Thornton. Does that make BB a bonehead?
If he pans out, people won't care anymore. Think anyone cares EA/Reese reached for Osi in the 2nd round anymore?
How do you know he "easily" would have been there in round 3 or 4? Because the mock drafts you read on line said so? lol. What Schoen did was take the highest player on his draft board rather than getting too cute in his first draft by taking a player he had a lesser grade on and taking a chance his guy would not be there. He's made bone head move because he didn't follow your highly informed draft board, huh? Awesome...
Reminds me of last season with Toney. People stopped caring about his draft slot when he had that big game.
No one cares. It's just something to yammer about.
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
How do you know he "easily" would have been there in round 3 or 4? Because the mock drafts you read on line said so? lol. What Schoen did was take the highest player on his draft board rather than getting too cute in his first draft by taking a player he had a lesser grade on and taking a chance his guy would not be there. He's made bone head move because he didn't follow your highly informed draft board, huh? Awesome...
Exactly. I swear the draft gives me migraines these days.
Why do you believe the Giants are the only team that had him rated in the 2nd round? If he was the player who was the best scheme fit and they were concerned at least one other team had a 2nd/3rd round grade on him, do you risk losing him?
He was picked ahead of where most mocks had him going. There is no guarantee the Giants were an outlier on him. Most of the mocks were wrong on the QBs by multiple rounds.
Being snarky :)
You end up with shitty rosters when you draft shitty players, not when you draft good players too early. All that matters is if these guys are any good.
This is just a list of people who didn't work out. Some were reaches, some were just bad picks, there's a difference. And it illustrates that if Robinson works out, you don't give a shit what pick we spent on him.
Truly one of the dumbest things I have read on this board, and I been around for a decade.
He is a WR he caught 104 passes last year
This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?
It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.
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The Pats did the same thing with Ty Thornton. Does that make BB a bonehead?
I mean c'mon this isn't the same thing. The Pats have shown time and time again that they have different standards of value than the rest of the NFL.
If anything the Giants have counter examples. That they go against the grain and it blows up in their faces. And a lot of those same scouts are the people who had their player analysis miss so spectacularly.
I'm willing to say it's possible that we've turned over a new leaf on that. But is that at all probable given how little time Schoen has had to reshape things and how much he's relying on existing scouting?
The logical data set we have to draw from is when the Giants do these reaches they know less and not more. They have in no way shape or form earned the right to be put on the same level as BB's picks.
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so was DJ, Barkley, Ramsey Barden, Apple, Flowers on and on. Same shit different GM. I love round one but after that Joe shat the bed with a least 3 major reaches. This is how you end up with shitty rosters.
You end up with shitty rosters when you draft shitty players, not when you draft good players too early. All that matters is if these guys are any good.
Just bc we could get Meggett in the 5th doesn't mean we could've gotten Robinson there. If Tyreek Hill the 2nd was in this draft, do you really think he would've lasted into the 5th rd? 2016 might not seem like a long time ago, but things have changed since then.
We hired this staff for a reason. It’s refreshing to see a GM and coach actually get on the same page and also secure more picks for other needs.
The armchair GMs with their draft reports compiled by ‘experts’ who have no idea how the giants want to build their team, how they’ve evaluate players and holes to fill, and basically want to jaw all day and night about perceived value of a pick with no basis in actual reality can stfu already.
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made the terrible mistake of taking guys with a 2nd round pick that could easily been taken in the 3rd or 4th. This is a bone head move that is very concerning. Even if this kid plays well it's doesn't wipe away the fact that nobody had this guy projected to go in round 2, as a matter of fact he was a 4-5 rounder on most projections.
This is such a weird way to look at things. Imagine if a team took Brady in the 2nd round, would people be bitching that he went to high 20 years later?
It doesn't matter if you reach on someone if they turn out to be good, it only matters when they don't. We'll have to wait to see which this one turns out to be.
Can you imagine following a player over his career that turns into a good player only to qualify his success with he was drafted to high??? This logic is totally bonkers
Good luck safeties and linebackers.
A fellow can dream and I can't wait to see the new Offense.
I'm optimistic