Pettit & O'Brien out in Giants front office

There it is….

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Can rest easy.

Au revoir!

wow that was quick !!!

Great news and further proof that Schoen is the one calling the shots.

Make it happ'n

Like Pettit was.

They didn't waste a second cleaning him out.

To identify the major leak.

Cause for all talk of our interest predraft, we sure seemed to have minimal actual interest.

That should make alot of fans happy.

although I think his body of work should get it done by itself.
Greedy side of me wouldnt want him to go!!!
but if its a few more wins, I will take it

we know who's in charge. Best of luck to both of them, but the change was needed.

of faith in the scouts led him to draft the players that he, Daboll and/or Brown had met personally? Maybe not, maybe it's more "normal" to have interaction with draft picks, which previous Giants' GMs didn't always seem to have.

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Make it happ'n

+1.

This stuff usually happens immediately after draft but before meetings to discuss schedules for 2022 NCAA seasons.

But its not like we are the only team that has them.
We just focus on our own, like we should.

Long time coming.
Good work by Schoen.

it does show Schoen and Daboll are in charge, as they should be.

In comment 15696093 KarenP said:

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of faith in the scouts led him to draft the players that he, Daboll and/or Brown had met personally? Maybe not, maybe it's more "normal" to have interaction with draft picks, which previous Giants' GMs didn't always seem to have.

Nope that sort of interaction is normal if you watch like Indianapolis Colts YouTube videos. I have a feeling that the “reaches” this year were because Giants had less names on the board than usual as the new philosophies change what type of player you are looking to draft and scouts may not have had good enough reads on some players that would have been on Giants board had they been looking for these traits from the beginning.

after the fist bumping in the draft room, I thought they were staying.

a new sheriff in town and his name is Joe Schoen.

I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on.

The expectations all season included the following:

-Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge.
-Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure.
-Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores).
-Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option.
-Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes.

Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

In comment 15696103 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 15696093 KarenP said: Quote: of faith in the scouts led him to draft the players that he, Daboll and/or Brown had met personally? Maybe not, maybe it's more "normal" to have interaction with draft picks, which previous Giants' GMs didn't always seem to have. Nope that sort of interaction is normal if you watch like Indianapolis Colts YouTube videos. I have a feeling that the “reaches” this year were because Giants had less names on the board than usual as the new philosophies change what type of player you are looking to draft and scouts may not have had good enough reads on some players that would have been on Giants board had they been looking for these traits from the beginning.

This is probably a lot closer to reality than the made for TV drama fans concoct about how it works. You can only project what a team is going to do based on data, and there was no track record to draw on with a Shoen front office.

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Expectation was that changes would be coming post-draft. These are the first two.

In comment 15696106 Eric from BBI said:

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after the fist bumping in the draft room, I thought they were staying.

First thing I thought when I saw this thread.

DRINK UP GENTS!

Read Pettit's bio page on Giants.com. High comedy. Like North Korea like PR.

The team needed this

Probably would have done this on day one but given the short amount of time to prep for the draft, gave them a three month stay likely on a short leash.

This offseason is finally yielding reasons for optimism where absolutely none have existed for years.

"Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell have been named as Senior VP and Senior Director respectively of the new Giants Horse Racing Operations. Due to their new responsibilities, Chris and Tim will no longer be able to be involved in the Giants Football Operations. We thank Chris and Tim for their prior efforts and wish them well in this new and exciting endeavor".

to me the reaching is a sign that they might not be changing. The prior regime had the same we know more than the league attitude. Things could be better they might not be. They did keep Abrams. Everything Mara had to say this off-season was disconcerting as much as I loved their measured approach to FA.

Petit was publicly embarrassed and O’Brien was clearly a Judge hire. Seems like easy exits to me. Still good that they did it.

In my mind there is data to support this is getting fixed and data to support it isn’t. I understand hope. You aren’t empathizing with the other side and that’s your prerogative but there are a decent number of intelligent posters that share this view

I kid, I kid. He isn't going anywhere. Must be nice to be born on 3rd base & think you hit a triple.

pushing back on this? Haha.

In comment 15696132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I kid, I kid. He isn't going anywhere. Must be nice to be born on 3rd base & think you hit a triple.

The only way something happens to him is if he is implicated enough in Flores lawsuit that the Giants would win on a Summary Judgment but for him and they lose big as a result.

team has been a sucky embarrassment for more than a decade. No one is or should be safe. Clean house.

Schoen is cleaning house on Gettleman’s lackeys.

news. Building needs to be completely fumigated.

I'd guess there is a lot of "pre-Gettleman housing cleaning" that is needed as well.

if there was any remaining doubt or concern about if Schoen is running the show, there it is. This is the teardown we didn't get when Coughlin was forced to 'retire.' Really not much to do other than hope Schoen and Daboll gets the franchise on the right track, even if it's someone else down the road that brings in the next trophy.

In comment 15696130 NoGainDayne said:

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to me the reaching is a sign that they might not be changing. The prior regime had the same we know more than the league attitude. Things could be better they might not be. They did keep Abrams. Everything Mara had to say this off-season was disconcerting as much as I loved their measured approach to FA. Petit was publicly embarrassed and O’Brien was clearly a Judge hire. Seems like easy exits to me. Still good that they did it. In my mind there is data to support this is getting fixed and data to support it isn’t. I understand hope. You aren’t empathizing with the other side and that’s your prerogative but there are a decent number of intelligent posters that share this view

Keep in mind that the best time to sack a GM and hire a new one is early-mid season so they have time to set the board. By the time Schoen came in, we were already well into preparing for the draft.

So even if the Giants were still drafting based on previous philosophies (which they were not IMO), you wouldn't see the huge change until next offseason.

Either way, getting Pettit out of here was necessary. Wish it happened 5 years ago but better late than never

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No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.

In comment 15696132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I kid, I kid. He isn't going anywhere. Must be nice to be born on 3rd base & think you hit a triple.

I don't care if the nephew replaces John Mara as Team President. Just don't want him scouting and picking the players.

Up!

or hinted at this happening - Congrats. Well done.

In comment 15696130 NoGainDayne said:

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to me the reaching is a sign that they might not be changing. The prior regime had the same we know more than the league attitude. Things could be better they might not be. They did keep Abrams. Everything Mara had to say this off-season was disconcerting as much as I loved their measured approach to FA. Petit was publicly embarrassed and O’Brien was clearly a Judge hire. Seems like easy exits to me. Still good that they did it. In my mind there is data to support this is getting fixed and data to support it isn’t. I understand hope. You aren’t empathizing with the other side and that’s your prerogative but there are a decent number of intelligent posters that share this view

That’s all fair, I don’t disagree. But, my point is we would have all signed for this back in December. I haven’t liked Mara’s words either, but I’m pleased with the overhaul we’ve seen. I can’t argue Abrams and the “promotion” he got. He should be gone too no doubt.

Agreed. Which is why I’ve pushed back against the idea that we should love the picks because JS and DB “have a plan.”

No evidence they’ve had time to put that plan in place yet. One of many reasons I’m on the fence here. Some people are just throwing out any possible sign of “this means it’s fixed”

I’m more like we need to gather a lot more data. Why can’t it just be enough that these hires just look way better than the last ones without needing to draw all these lines that they are already getting things fixed. If they do it will take time IMO and we are still dealing with the biggest unknown. The level of their autonomy and if it’s a lot how long it exists for

ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
Very thankful for my time with the New York Football
@Giants
— This was a mutual decision and we all agreed it was in the best interest of myself and the team to go separately !

In comment 15696152 Eric from BBI said:

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Neil Stratton @InsideTheLeague Replying to @mjbrier and @art_stapleton No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.

Didn't Schoen bring in the scouts to meet with him in person and go over their reports early in the offseason? I think there were reports to the effect that it hadn't happened previously with the Giants (which is insane, but in hindsight, makes sense for how dysfunctional they were).

In listening to Schoen's interviews, he said they would pop on tape and go over with the coaches and scouts what they saw and got alignment that they all agreed on the same things. That he's retaining the scouts tells you that Schoen feels comfortable with the legwork that they were doing and agreed with their reports/approach. It would appear that he put the blame on the layers of management between the scouts and Gettleman.

In comment 15696152 Eric from BBI said:

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Neil Stratton @InsideTheLeague Replying to @mjbrier and @art_stapleton No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.

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In comment 15696163 Sean said:

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In comment 15696130 NoGainDayne said: Quote: to me the reaching is a sign that they might not be changing. The prior regime had the same we know more than the league attitude. Things could be better they might not be. They did keep Abrams. Everything Mara had to say this off-season was disconcerting as much as I loved their measured approach to FA. Petit was publicly embarrassed and O’Brien was clearly a Judge hire. Seems like easy exits to me. Still good that they did it. In my mind there is data to support this is getting fixed and data to support it isn’t. I understand hope. You aren’t empathizing with the other side and that’s your prerogative but there are a decent number of intelligent posters that share this view That’s all fair, I don’t disagree. But, my point is we would have all signed for this back in December. I haven’t liked Mara’s words either, but I’m pleased with the overhaul we’ve seen. I can’t argue Abrams and the “promotion” he got. He should be gone too no doubt.

You’ve got me here. 100% I’d sign up for this a year ago. I’m just unwilling to say anything more then there are ample signs we are going in the right direction but this is a long road. And we just don’t know how it will play out. And as I just said in a different post. Even if JS has tons of autonomy right now (and that’s an unknown) we don’t know how long that will last

In comment 15696163 Sean said:

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In comment 15696130 NoGainDayne said: Quote: to me the reaching is a sign that they might not be changing. The prior regime had the same we know more than the league attitude. Things could be better they might not be. They did keep Abrams. Everything Mara had to say this off-season was disconcerting as much as I loved their measured approach to FA. Petit was publicly embarrassed and O’Brien was clearly a Judge hire. Seems like easy exits to me. Still good that they did it. In my mind there is data to support this is getting fixed and data to support it isn’t. I understand hope. You aren’t empathizing with the other side and that’s your prerogative but there are a decent number of intelligent posters that share this view That’s all fair, I don’t disagree. But, my point is we would have all signed for this back in December. I haven’t liked Mara’s words either, but I’m pleased with the overhaul we’ve seen. I can’t argue Abrams and the “promotion” he got. He should be gone too no doubt.

The Giants were in cap hell, and by most accounts, Abrams was following orders on the structure of the contracts. If you go back to the 2021 offseason, he said at the time that the cap was going to be a problem in 2022, but they had a plan and it would clear up for 2023. So if you are Schoen, the old adage "don't boil the ocean" comes to mind. He can't fix everything all at once, so you do it in pieces. He got thru the draft and moved out the old management. I'd imagine that once the cap is sorted out and they get into 2023, we would see Abrams wished well sometime later on, just a guess.

I read that as 'No, no area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back.'

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In comment 15696132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I kid, I kid. He isn't going anywhere. Must be nice to be born on 3rd base & think you hit a triple.

That would be too sweet.

Starting to think mustang might actually be Pettit, or someone who he is tight with.

And start over from scratch. McDonnell and Uncle Chris aren't going anywhere, though.

Giants haven’t had much luck coming off Ross and Petit.

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In comment 15696083 Anakim said: Quote: Make it happ'n +1.

+ whatever number my vote is in the queue.

I believe at the Combine with Joe Schoen speaking, and Chris Pettit had that look of someone who is on the outside looking in. He was in the room with Joe Schoen, but he looked like he wasn't. If you know what I mean.

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The push for
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Malik Willis should be a Giant and that was made WELL known.

Just actually surprised it was allowed to happen.
Tisch must be sitting on JM and saying ‘Let these guys run the show, I’m tired of losing’.

or someone who is an epic troll.

But I don't see how anyone can dispute the mounting evidence. Schoen is running his own show. Best of luck to him. And maybe give Mara a little credit for finally understanding that he needed to step all the way back.

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But I don't see how anyone can dispute the mounting evidence. Schoen is running his own show. Best of luck to him. And maybe give Mara a little credit for finally understanding that he needed to step all the way back.

This is a positive move. But there was a MAJOR front office shake-up in June 2018 too. Hopefully, this works out far better.
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It just pisses me off that Mara keeps opining publicly about the team. I just wish he would STFU.

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And now the #Giants have finally fired Chris Pettit. Joe Schoen is doing everything right so far. Pettit one of the key reasons to the Giants lack of draft success over the last few years is now finally gone. #TogetherBlue #NFL

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Biggest clown ever. Key reason to why the drafts have been so bad over the last couple years

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Not really sure but I expect someone Schoen has worked with before. Lake Dawson the Assistant Director of College Scouting for the #Bills could be a name to watch for.

Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...

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Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions? JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone. Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...

I think he had this planned for some time.

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Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions? JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone. Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...

I called BS on that thread. Haha.

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Drafts bad for the last couple years? Lol

There's more to come and way overdue

In comment 15696253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 15696249 DieHard said: Quote: Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions? JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone. Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think... I called BS on that thread. Haha.

Indeed. Truly a case of "DON'T reflect on what I just said."

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Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.

That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

Schoen is a straight up gangsta.

I recall a couple years ago there was a series on giants.com which followed Giants scouts from the combine through the draft. Several episodes. it featured conversations between them and interviews with several. I watched the thing, and my reaction at the time was these guys are not impressive at all, and some of them seem genuinely not too bright. I'm sure Pettit was one of them. Let's hope that the necessary housecleaning is done.

In comment 15696253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 15696249 DieHard said: Quote: Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions? JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone. Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think... I called BS on that thread. Haha.

Right, I remember that.

In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:

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Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense. Schoen is a straight up gangsta.

Who Tommy G?

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In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:

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Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense. Schoen is a straight up gangsta.

I have no idea how true this is, but if it is, that is awesome, lol

In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:

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Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense. Schoen is a straight up gangsta.

That is awesome if true...

If true...chef's kiss.

In comment 15696108 Sean said:

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I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

I took almost all of those stances. And that's because I don't trust Mara. So, I wasn't going to believe anything until I saw it.

I find it a bit strange that you would be so willing to give Mara the benefit of the doubt with his recent history.

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Probably would have done this on day one but given the short amount of time to prep for the draft, gave them a three month stay likely on a short leash.

They stayed because they had already seen the board and they could do less damage inside the building (with no direct authority) than if they were out in the wild, and presumably scorned.

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In comment 15696273 aimrocky said:

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In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said: Quote: Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense. Schoen is a straight up gangsta. Who Tommy G?

Nobody.

He's a Twitter equivalent any ordinary BBI poster.

In comment 15696276 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said: Quote: Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense. Schoen is a straight up gangsta. I have no idea how true this is, but if it is, that is awesome, lol

That would be amazing

no reason to really believe any of this stuff, though

It's entirely possible that Pettit was a bit of a shady character,and at the same time,was not one of the main culprits.

The guy on Twitter sounded like a friend of Ross,Reese,or both

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or someone who is an epic troll.

Haha - could be any of a number of BBI posters

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Well done.

I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I’m just saying I’m pleased with what has transpired.

After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic.

As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me.

It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them.

My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

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After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

Well said.

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After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

Honestly, as time goes on OBJ looks like he was the only smart one who knew what a disaster the Giants were. I don’t blame him.

In comment 15696323 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15696321 christian said: Quote: After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things. Well said.

+2.

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After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

Perfect. I’m pleased with the action taken, doesn’t mean it will work. It’s all hope from me, but I’m glad there have been no half measures.

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A la Silicon Valley

I can only dream that Chris Mara is shown the door

Crusader is supposed to be, but he says JS leaking info is false

@crusadersWR: This is completely false and negligible that you would put this out there. https://twitter.com/tommyg105/status/1521266275523178496


Which means it's probably true

I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

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no reason to really believe any of this stuff, though

Hello.

In comment 15696362 arniefez said:

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I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

I tend to think Tisch was much more active behind the scenes than people realize.

In comment 15696362 arniefez said:

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I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

Is this asshat info or speculation? I don’t think that’s been reported with any kind of certainty that Tisch fired Judge

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Starting to think mustang might actually be Pettit, or someone who he is tight with.

SF that was widely believed to be the case early 22 following Hanlon's 'drunken' triggers when Mustang and Not an Angry Scout first got into it

In comment 15696108 Sean said:

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I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

THANK YOU.

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In comment 15696321 christian said:

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After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

This front office shake-up is the best outcome so far in the Schoen era. I don't like rolling with Jones - I think it's just wasting reps for inevitable average performance at best - but at least the 5th year option wasn't exercised.

The effect of all of these decisions - Daboll, free agency, draft, roster management, front office changes, etc - will be decided on the field. The ultimate grading system.

In comment 15696362 arniefez said:

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I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

Tisch being in the draft room was interesting to me, don’t recall seeing him in the past.

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That's a troll account. Please don't post.

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In comment 15696362 arniefez said: Quote: I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too. Is this asshat info or speculation? I don’t think that’s been reported with any kind of certainty that Tisch fired Judge

Arnie said "IMO"...

Tisch has always been the dove to me who could really flex his ownership muscle if he wanted to. But, instead, has been willing to defer and trust Mara on these football decisions. Especially after the two SB wins in '08 and '11.

If he's finally decided that he wants that Giants to be more than a big annuity in his portfolio, and he needs to be more hands on, than God bless his epiphany.

Better late than never.

In comment 15696120 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Read Pettit's bio page on Giants.com. High comedy. Like North Korea like PR.

I just looked, it is gone... lol. What did it say?

In comment 15696269 Pete in VA said:

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I recall a couple years ago there was a series on giants.com which followed Giants scouts from the combine through the draft. Several episodes. it featured conversations between them and interviews with several. I watched the thing, and my reaction at the time was these guys are not impressive at all, and some of them seem genuinely not too bright. I'm sure Pettit was one of them. Let's hope that the necessary housecleaning is done.

Not trying to knock scouts because the takes they give to media could be smoke, but some of the most ignorant sounding quotes from what are regarded to be experts in the field have been the quotes from anonymous scouts in the Bob McGinn draft series. Some of the quotes just make you shake your head.

Anyone else tired of the embarrassment the last ten years have been? Finally, there is some hope for meaningful games in October!!!!!!!!!

For both GM and the coaches, all prior to their first season. However, while still recognizing the NYG could have gotten this GM and this HC wrong, can we all at least agree this pattern appears to be different, therefore offering a little bit more hope the changes made are in the right direction? This is the first GM plus HC change since Gettleman, and I'm seeing more changes being made as a whole across the entire NYG organization.

We have people who live and die football coming in, highly motivated, with a clear vision and opinion on who is worthy of their spot in the NYG offices and on the field. That has to feel good for a change, especially as they're not afraid to take action when they don't like something and they are making many large changes which they know will be their responsibility if success doesn't come within a reasonable time frame.

I think this is a different feeling over prior NYG changes, and I believe the turnaround will look a whole lot like the Bills turnaround, but it may or may not take an extra year if DJ doesn't work out (it won't be because of our new staff though, it wasn't their QB drafted), or if the QB class next year doesn't produce a solid QB choice who develops into a top 10 NFL QB. That's a risk in any draft, and I'd say most drafts only result in one or two QB's truly worth a high first round draft spot.

The worst case for this year, is a mediocre team directly as a result of DJ, because that means we'll need a QB and will need to trade up to draft a top prospect (we won't be the worst team in the league if DJ is mediocre, and this GM/HC won't tank the season for a draft pick).

If we're mediocre but DJ plays well, then we know we have the QB and just need to build around him, so it's not the end of the world. Therefore, using that logic, the NYG's near and long-term future all rests on who DJ truly is as an NFL QB. Thankfully, I think we're all on the same page given his contract, that even he knows, it will all be decided this season.

In comment 15696108 Sean said:

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I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup.

about it during the draft and trying to think what to make of the fact the Giants clearly targeted multiple players from the same team, at first I thought it might mean he favored certain area scouts more than others and leaned on their reports. Then I was listening to the Talkin Giants podcast today and they made a really good point that Schoen always mentioned in his presser how it was himself, Bobby Johnson at the UNC Pro Day, someone else from the coaching staff etc that watched each of the guys they drafted. It was clear he favored the Coaches input on players than what the scouts brought to him. Should have been an indicator that Pettit was a goner.

In comment 15696460 Greg from LI said:

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Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup.

It was a great hire. It's going to suck when another team hires him as a GM in a couple of years but at least it will net the Giants two comp 3rd round picks.

In comment 15696460 Greg from LI said:

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Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup.

He's very young. If they clean up Gettleman's Chernobyl quickly than Brown is going have a very short stay.

In comment 15696453 jamison884 said:

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For both GM and the coaches, all prior to their first season. However, while still recognizing the NYG could have gotten this GM and this HC wrong, can we all at least agree this pattern appears to be different, therefore offering a little bit more hope the changes made are in the right direction? This is the first GM plus HC change since Gettleman, and I'm seeing more changes being made as a whole across the entire NYG organization. We have people who live and die football coming in, highly motivated, with a clear vision and opinion on who is worthy of their spot in the NYG offices and on the field. That has to feel good for a change, especially as they're not afraid to take action when they don't like something and they are making many large changes which they know will be their responsibility if success doesn't come within a reasonable time frame. I think this is a different feeling over prior NYG changes, and I believe the turnaround will look a whole lot like the Bills turnaround, but it may or may not take an extra year if DJ doesn't work out (it won't be because of our new staff though, it wasn't their QB drafted), or if the QB class next year doesn't produce a solid QB choice who develops into a top 10 NFL QB. That's a risk in any draft, and I'd say most drafts only result in one or two QB's truly worth a high first round draft spot. The worst case for this year, is a mediocre team directly as a result of DJ, because that means we'll need a QB and will need to trade up to draft a top prospect (we won't be the worst team in the league if DJ is mediocre, and this GM/HC won't tank the season for a draft pick). If we're mediocre but DJ plays well, then we know we have the QB and just need to build around him, so it's not the end of the world. Therefore, using that logic, the NYG's near and long-term future all rests on who DJ truly is as an NFL QB. Thankfully, I think we're all on the same page given his contract, that even he knows, it will all be decided this season.

I never had a good feeling about Gettleman

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In comment 15696377 capone said: Quote: . Link - ( New Window ) He’s a troll posting about a troll there has to be an exception for that it’s like algebra neg x neg That's a troll account. Please don't post.

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Crusader is supposed to be, but he says JS leaking info is false @crusadersWR: This is completely false and negligible that you would put this out there. https://twitter.com/tommyg105/status/1521266275523178496 Which means it's probably true

CrusadersWR is Tim McDonnell.

He played WR at Holy Cross, who’s team name is the Crusaders. His bio states “Westchester bred. Family, Faith, Football”

Look who he’s following and who follows him. Atleast Jerry Collangelo had better burner accts

In comment 15696467 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15696460 Greg from LI said: Quote: Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup. He's very young. If they clean up Gettleman's Chernobyl quickly than Brown is going have a very short stay.

That’s okay. NYG gets draft picks and Schoen can hire someone else. The Eagles are a feeder for front office talent, NYG should be too.

In comment 15696465 Jay on the Island said:

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It was a great hire. It's going to suck when another team hires him as a GM in a couple of years but at least it will net the Giants two comp 3rd round picks.

And so long as he helps them build the Giants back into a contender, I will wish him all the luck in the world.....so long as his interests don't conflict with ours 😁

In comment 15696106 Eric from BBI said:

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after the fist bumping in the draft room, I thought they were staying.

Things keep going differently in that office than what some were convinced would never change...

In comment 15696108 Sean said:

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I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

I would have written the same post. Well done...

Schoen says he keeps leaving those racing sheets around everywhere and the place looks cluttered...

In comment 15696253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...



I called BS on that thread. Haha. [/quote

Same. Didn't take a genius if I'm honest]

Did seem 'off' to me. I may just give Joey a pass.

In comment 15696112 Go Terps said:

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thank you, i laughed out loud.

and the also the poster who mentioned about the coaches being very involved this draft. Tisch's involvement is a good call as well. More important till more of his guys come in but the Asst. GM was a big get to start.

After 10 years of crap football you needed change and Mara is indeed stepping back for now.

I have been as frustrated with Mara as some. I also can understand his reluctance.

From 1979-2012 there are not many franchises who have the resume of this historic franchise. Some down years for sure but pretty damn good. The Giants Way produced 4 SB's. They certainly have reached to that past along the way. TC worked out. Dave didn't. Time to move on and take a different approach.

JS is running things. Let's hope he appreciates and reaches the standards here. He gets to see those four Lombardi's every day. The great players and coaches. This is not Buffalo with its barren trophy case. This is not Miami where you have to go back to the 70's for its last glory. They don't pat you on the back for long losing divisional games around here. I look forward to seeing how he does. So modernize as you see fit. Just don't forget those four SB teams across four decades had a lot of similar traits. Hope he includes those as well. He won't win number 5 without them.

I remember last year at this time I was talking myself into Kyle O’Brien being the next GM to be aligned with Judge. This is so beyond what I thought would ever be possible:

-Gettleman gone
-Koncz gone
-Pettit gone
-O’Brien gone
-Judge gone (still think he had an awful deal here)
-Schoen got to hire his own HC
-Brandon Brown hired from Eagles
-Jones option declined

I just never thought we’d get ALL of this.

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Q. What did you think of your first draft? Anything surprise you? JOE SCHOEN: Have to reflect on this tomorrow and throughout next week. It’s just different. You come in with a whole new staff, so you have a process in place, but where you used to look for answers when you had questions, you’re looking to different people, different scouts in the room that you haven’t worked with,} and our staff did a tremendous job. The coaching staff did a tremendous job.]

Maybe I'm looking for something that isn't there, but when I watched this on video, I felt he was actually saying he didn't have a sounding board he could trust.

Regardless, this is good news from the point of view that he is putting HIS people in place.

Very obvious to me at least that Pettit and O'Brien weren't going to be around very long after the draft.

Does McDonnell get moved to another position in the organization?

with departures at Jints Central.

That's of course if Schoen gets sign-off from Chris Mara first since they all report up to him and not the GM, right?

for me to buy in.

I'm in.

Now let's go win some freakin' games.

I'm pumped!

In comment 15696106 Eric from BBI said:

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after the fist bumping in the draft room, I thought they were staying.

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But its not like we are the only team that has them. We just focus on our own, like we should.

They must have.

In comment 15696563 Rick in Dallas said:

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Very obvious to me at least that Pettit and O'Brien weren't going to be around very long after the draft. Does McDonnell get moved to another position in the organization?

Tim McDonnell - Vice President of Electronic Communications, Emails & Texts

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To identify the major leak. Cause for all talk of our interest predraft, we sure seemed to have minimal actual interest.

Agreed Andy.

In comment 15696569 Jimmy Googs said:

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with departures at Jints Central. That's of course if Schoen gets sign-off from Chris Mara first since they all report up to him and not the GM, right?

Interesting to watch... one would think there are scouts who will go too, but then again, the source above said the scouts contracts have been renewed or told they will be back (here again and same guy who broke the story of the two being fired).

Neil Stratton @InsideTheLeague
Replying to @mjbrier and @art_stapleton

No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.

He has to build up relationships. It's not that he doesn't trust them, it's more thst trust gets built up over time. This isn't a Giants specific thing. It's just a life thing. It isn't a draft thing. It's in any job.

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He has to build up relationships. It's not that he doesn't trust them, it's more thst trust gets built up over time. This isn't a Giants specific thing. It's just a life thing. It isn't a draft thing. It's in any job.

This was in response to Eric's 7:29 post.

In comment 15696563 Rick in Dallas said:

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Very obvious to me at least that Pettit and O'Brien weren't going to be around very long after the draft. Does McDonnell get moved to another position in the organization?

McDonnell is the future CEO of the franchise, he’s family and part of ownership. I wouldn’t waste energy on him. It’s the reality of a family run company.

In comment 15696577 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15696569 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: with departures at Jints Central. That's of course if Schoen gets sign-off from Chris Mara first since they all report up to him and not the GM, right? Interesting to watch... one would think there are scouts who will go too, but then again, the source above said the scouts contracts have been renewed or told they will be back (here again and same guy who broke the story of the two being fired). Neil Stratton @InsideTheLeague Replying to @mjbrier and @art_stapleton No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.

Logic would suggest they will all predominately be turned over. Maybe a couple impressed Schoen & Brown over the last few months and get some leeway for the next season.

But this Dept is now Schoen's baby to build up the way he wants, hire some new blood that he has relationships with in the industry and starting setting up his agenda.

In comment 15696580 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15696578 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He has to build up relationships. It's not that he doesn't trust them, it's more thst trust gets built up over time. This isn't a Giants specific thing. It's just a life thing. It isn't a draft thing. It's in any job. This was in response to Eric's 7:29 post.

You could be very much correct. As I said, I could be seeing something that isn't there.

However, my spidey sense is up. And my gut also tells me that Schoen may have relied on the coaching staff more than the Reese/Gettleman scouts. For example, how much of a role did Bobby Johnson (who worked in Buffalo with Schoen) have in the selections of the two NC guards? (Johnson was at that Pro Day working with them directly).

with other important events...

In comment 15696584 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15696580 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 15696578 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: He has to build up relationships. It's not that he doesn't trust them, it's more thst trust gets built up over time. This isn't a Giants specific thing. It's just a life thing. It isn't a draft thing. It's in any job. This was in response to Eric's 7:29 post. You could be very much correct. As I said, I could be seeing something that isn't there. However, my spidey sense is up. And my gut also tells me that Schoen may have relied on the coaching staff more than the Reese/Gettleman scouts. For example, how much of a role did Bobby Johnson (who worked in Buffalo with Schoen) have in the selections of the two NC guards? (Johnson was at that Pro Day working with them directly).

I agree about the coaches.

In comment 15696575 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15696563 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: Very obvious to me at least that Pettit and O'Brien weren't going to be around very long after the draft. Does McDonnell get moved to another position in the organization? Tim McDonnell - Vice President of Electronic Communications, Emails & Texts

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In comment 15696232 DieHard said:

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But I don't see how anyone can dispute the mounting evidence. Schoen is running his own show. Best of luck to him. And maybe give Mara a little credit for finally understanding that he needed to step all the way back.

Of course he is and it was obvious from Mara s post season presser that was the case

But Maranoia is a hard thing to get past.

In comment 15696241 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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It just pisses me off that Mara keeps opining publicly about the team. I just wish he would STFU.

If it were your team would you just sit back and not be involved? I wouldn’t. Mara s have made mistakes, many the past decade. But they have been a staple of the NFL, and the Giants are a storied franchise under their ownership

I like it.. schoen is doing this correctly

But it's up to management to decide exactly what kind of information they want, what, specifically, they want their scouts to look for if specifics are required, and how they want that information presented to them so it can be collated quickly and efficiently. You need good coordination between the folks who gather the information and the folks who process it, and both sides need to be able trust each other.

I suspect that this coordination has been sorely lacking under Petit, along with a level of distrust on Petit's part that's proven to be ridiculously counter-productive. I have absolutely no knowledge of the inner workings of the Giants player personnel department, but I get a sense of smugness, of hubris emanating from the top, from a guy who thinks he's the smartest person in the room whose judgement must never be questioned.

To me, he looks like the worst kind of General - politician who doesn't care if his troops get slaughtered as long as none of the blame falls on him.

In comment 15696725 Klaatu said:

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But it's up to management to decide exactly what kind of information they want, what, specifically, they want their scouts to look for if specifics are required, and how they want that information presented to them so it can be collated quickly and efficiently. You need good coordination between the folks who gather the information and the folks who process it, and both sides need to be able trust each other. I suspect that this coordination has been sorely lacking under Petit, along with a level of distrust on Petit's part that's proven to be ridiculously counter-productive. I have absolutely no knowledge of the inner workings of the Giants player personnel department, but I get a sense of smugness, of hubris emanating from the top, from a guy who thinks he's the smartest person in the room whose judgement must never be questioned. To me, he looks like the worst kind of General - politician who doesn't care if his troops get slaughtered as long as none of the blame falls on him.

He does give off that vibe.

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In comment 15696232 DieHard said: Quote: But I don't see how anyone can dispute the mounting evidence. Schoen is running his own show. Best of luck to him. And maybe give Mara a little credit for finally understanding that he needed to step all the way back. Of course he is and it was obvious from Mara s post season presser that was the case But Maranoia is a hard thing to get past.

This supposition now that because Mara says it we should believe it is absurd. There are good signs here so far. But we're very early in the story.

Had to happen - the Giants have been drafting at the top of the draft for the decade, and have nothing to show for it.

Time to modernize

this was one of many times leading up to and AFTER the draft, that Schoen praised his coaching staff, and NEVER mentioned his scouting staffs. Robbie has a point about unfamiliarity with the scouts, even after he got them all in a room and said "this is what we want, this is what to look for in prospects."
He was clearly more comfortable with his coaching staff and his and Brown's eyes, than trusting the scouting group. I think knowing that Petit and O'Brien were heading up that group factored into that equation.
It's also, I think, why they stuck to major college programs, with players who had a lot of college experience for their draftees, and UDFA. Easier to get a read on those players, rather than prospects from smaller schools for this year.

All this stuff about the Buffalo approach and how Schoen is going to import his guys is window dressing.

If Gettlemen had taken Josh Allen, he would still have a job and so would Petit and a lot of other guys who have been let go.

I like how Schoen played the first round, especially the misdirection with Cross, which may have prevented another team from trading up and taking Neal. Very smart.

But until I see him acquire a franchise QB, he is just another hamster on the treadmill.

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Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

This, plus the deft handling of tardy Toney, inspire confidence that new management knows what they’re doing.

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In comment 15696083 Anakim said: Quote: Make it happ'n +1.

I could not be happier for Sy if that happened. He deserves a shot somewhere. Always with investigative and very detailed write-ups.

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Probably would have done this on day one but given the short amount of time to prep for the draft, gave them a three month stay likely on a short leash.

hmm , what? ... somebody call me?

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Schoen says he keeps leaving those racing sheets around everywhere and the place looks cluttered...

He definitely looked like someone stole his lunch AND after school snack money.

In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:

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Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense. Schoen is a straight up gangsta.

That I believe. Petit is a turd.

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In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said: Quote: Tommy @TommyG105 · 48m Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out. That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense. Schoen is a straight up gangsta. That I believe. Petit is a turd.

Sure its plausible but coming from that Twitter doofus, no...not buying it. He's basically the equivalent of a BBI poster.

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In comment 15696108 Sean said: Quote: I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening. THANK YOU.

I am still surprised the Giants even moved on from Eli MAnning. That wasn't supposed to happen until at least 2020 or so. I learned that here.

They weren't going to move on from Eli. They weren't going to draft a QB with Eli still here. They weren't going to fire Judge or even hire an outside the box HC like Judge in the first place. They weren't going to hire an outside the box GM like Schoen. Daboll. They'd never draft a diva personality again like Thibs (my thoughts truly)


Just because they still suck doesn't mean the Giants are reluctant to change. Mara has had NO problem firing people and over turning things time and time again. This is even more thorough of a purge.

Some of you manufacture fear that really isn't there. All we do is worry about Mara's tentacles infiltrating and ruining everything. It's probably much more simple than that. Maybe Mara just made bad hires. MAybe now he hired the right guy(s)

I promise you all, if Schoen is a good GM and Daboll is a good HC this team will win and soon. And Mara won't ruin anything.

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In comment 15696373 River Mike said: Quote: In comment 15696108 Sean said: Quote: I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening. THANK YOU. I am still surprised the Giants even moved on from Eli MAnning. That wasn't supposed to happen until at least 2020 or so. I learned that here. They weren't going to move on from Eli. They weren't going to draft a QB with Eli still here. They weren't going to fire Judge or even hire an outside the box HC like Judge in the first place. They weren't going to hire an outside the box GM like Schoen. Daboll. They'd never draft a diva personality again like Thibs (my thoughts truly) Just because they still suck doesn't mean the Giants are reluctant to change. Mara has had NO problem firing people and over turning things time and time again. This is even more thorough of a purge. Some of you manufacture fear that really isn't there. All we do is worry about Mara's tentacles infiltrating and ruining everything. It's probably much more simple than that. Maybe Mara just made bad hires. MAybe now he hired the right guy(s) I promise you all, if Schoen is a good GM and Daboll is a good HC this team will win and soon. And Mara won't ruin anything.

It's been said a lot, but the point that people object to is the process, *how* we got to this awful 4 year run and the 7 years before then. It's not just hiring the wrong guy. It's how you come to a decision to hire the guy you did that people kick and scream about it.

Why did he hire Gettleman in the first place? That wasn't a coaching search it was an arranged marriage. No one thinks that was handled well.That set the table for failure.

Why is there a Mara as VP in the front office that John Mara tries to tell the media people he doesn't make decisions. All things that don't sit well.